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- ahatter, on 01/13/2008, -5/+144yes i am a victim of this and it sucks. i bought 10+ arcade games my box red ringed sent it in and now i can not play those games with out being connected to live under my profile. So if i ever cut off my internet there went all my games i PAID for.
- dsmx, on 01/13/2008, -5/+136I don't know why people are surprised by this, it's the fundamental flaw with all DRM protected content.
- snatchmstr, on 01/13/2008, -8/+79NEVER pay for anything with DRM.
- bigbadgoat, on 01/13/2008, -8/+65On a somewhat unrelated note, this is why I will always prefer and lean toward buying content on a tangible medium rather than DLC or streamed content. I like the feeling of playing what I want, when I want, and in the case of movies and music, on whatever I want.
Sucks for you xbox owners though... - SnowBladerX, on 01/13/2008, -2/+52Yup sure do as its attached to your PSN id and not your console
- mdaize, on 01/13/2008, -11/+60but... but .... i thought sony was the drm god and hated sharing ...
how could they ever allow such leniencies...
/sarcasm
(i own a ps3 and am informed and very pleased with the way sony works it) - Birdoftruth, on 01/13/2008, -12/+58Doesn't Sony just let you re download anything?
- chriskzoo, on 01/13/2008, -5/+45Yes, and share it with up to 5 friends - all they have to do is keep your profile on their PSN. Games play, online or off.
- Frostman3D, on 01/13/2008, -5/+39Xbox live has been acting weird lately. I know that seems off topic, but the thing the guy said about being connected for it to work, I've had problems with the 360 staying logged in, when it was actually logged in, but it acted like it was still trying to connect. Weird.
- wush, on 01/13/2008, -8/+39the noise it makes can scare away birds
- mdaize, on 01/13/2008, -9/+39Would not happen with my PS3 and the downloaded games I own...
Warhawk, fl0w, Blast Factor, Pain, Super Stardust HD, etc.
Linked to ID rather then console :D - PerfectCr, on 01/13/2008, -3/+32I submitted the following link over a year ago and I am amazed MS still hasn't fixed this!
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Dude_Where_s_my_offlin ... - posure, on 01/13/2008, -4/+30360's DRM attaches it to both your Gamertag and your console. If you're console dies, you can still recover your games, you just can't play them on profiles other than the one that it was purchased with. Beats Nintendo's DRM though: if your console dies, you're *****.
- inactive, on 01/13/2008, -6/+29"Sounds like you're one of those people who defend a company, philosophy, console, or whatever blindly and unquestioningly."
Ironic coming from you. You, Zamfir and a few others digg literally every PS3/Blu-ray story submitted, and also digg every negative 360 story, including this one even though this has no potential to impact you. - vaga222, on 01/13/2008, -2/+21Like what?
Pc games are much better because we have to suffer Starforce and DRM like that which stays in our systems long after the games are gone? - inactive, on 01/13/2008, -0/+17" Unfortunately, it's now hard for them to retract the DRM"
No it's not. They could do it over night if they wanted to. - charlescheese, on 01/13/2008, -2/+19They've had time to change this. It's more a policy decision than a time issue. It would not take long for them to write a few lines of code that would let you play your downloaded games as long as you were signed into your account locally rather than over Live.
- sancho, on 01/13/2008, -2/+19No joke. I have a Wii, and I love it, but I don't have a lot of incentive to buy virtual console games for just this reason.
- SSUK, on 01/13/2008, -3/+19Extra radiator.
- inactive, on 01/13/2008, -2/+17I have returned my 360 console 4 times (3x original 360, 1x elite) for the RRoD problem. Anyone had it worse?
- renegadeafk, on 01/13/2008, -4/+18And they wonder why people pirate stuff? You get no DRM and you can do what you wish for free. I will only pay money for non DRM content, I will not pay for any drm ridden garbage.
- andycr512, on 01/13/2008, -3/+17Solution to the problem? Nobody but Microsoft -can- solve it.
- gfunk84, on 01/13/2008, -2/+16If your Wii dies and you send it in for replacement/repair, they will transfer your games and rights to the new console.
- agdtinman, on 01/13/2008, -4/+18They no longer give out the points to re-buy the downloads. And yes, it has taken months, and they've blown both deadlines they've given.
- FFIO, on 01/13/2008, -4/+17I'm on my 3rd 360 because of the RRoD. Here is my story for how I got compensation from M$:
http://digg.com/xbox/Red_Ring_Death_Free_M_Points
Good luck! - Zamfir, on 01/13/2008, -2/+15"...a little bit of a hassle..." !? C'mon man, that's a HUGE hassle! It's bad enough that your console died, let alone having to re-buy and re-download your content. Don't you think Microsoft should have actually tested licensing transfers between hardware and accounts BEFORE releasing this flawed game platform?
- AshFire87, on 01/13/2008, -9/+22Solution that worked for me:
If you downloaded an arcade game and just got your 360 repaired or replaced: Delete the game off your hard drive. Go into account settings and go through download history until you find the game you just deleted. Re-download the game and once it's complete it will be tied to your new console. Problem fixed. You can now play that arcade game without being connected to Live. But yeah, a better solution than this is needed. - offspring06, on 01/13/2008, -0/+13DLC should be linked to the gamertag. What is MS thinking?
- SSUK, on 01/13/2008, -9/+21Sony had the foresight though, since the Xbox 360 was out a year in advance to the PS3 and the problems with the RRoD came early. I'm sure if Microsoft could have seen the future, they would have also scrapped this DRM feature. Unfortunately, it's now hard for them to retract the DRM. But then again, DRM is a bunch of ***** to start with, so they reap what they sew.
- cypher35, on 01/13/2008, -2/+14Same thing happened to me... I called up customer support, complained, and they refunded me enough xbox points to re-buy everything with a temp account on the new xbox. That way the drm worked on the new box.
It was a little bit of a hassle though... They made me wait about a week while they "verified" my situation and got approval for dishing out the points. - agdtinman, on 01/13/2008, -1/+13You have no idea how wrong you are.
- charlescheese, on 01/13/2008, -6/+17I bitch about Sony too. I think the delays in Home have taken too long, and that Sony's making a HUGE mistake not getting what they have out there in our hands now. I don't just digg negative 360 stories either. Mostly, but I was excited about the thought of a 360 ultimate, but then the warner thing happened the very day I heard about the Ultimate.
I WANT a 360. I honestly do. I just wish Microsoft would listen up and fix the design flaw that causes their console to RRoD with a complete redesign, and that they'd toss wifi in there like every other console out there, including the DS and PSP. I mean, the DS is $129 and has WIFI. The 360 charges $100 for wifi. That's retarded. I just don't think the 360 is a good value at this point, because it breaks, because it doesn't include wifi, etc. If they would openly and honestly address the design problems and tell me unequivocally that it's fixed, and then they dropped the price $50, and they put the $1 wifi component in the thing, I'd be all over it. As it is, the costs are more than a PS3 to buy a 360 with live and wifi, and then there's the $50 live fee a year, and it still doesn't play HD movies.
So at the end of the day I think a lot of people on here blindly buy what Microsoft is selling. It's the uninformed consumer that pays because of these hardware flaws, and because Microsoft nickel and dimes you ala the WiFi adapter. The reason I dugg this story is because you 360 guys are always telling me how great live is, and how it's the envy of the world, and now you're paying them for a service that isn't working properly. If you weren't paying for that service, Live having troubles wouldn't be a story, and I wouldn't digg. I can just tell you that as a PS3 owner we've never had persistent performance issues like live is having. The PS3 added more new users over the holidays world wide than the 360 did, and yet it works fine. So Sony, with their free service planned for the fact that it was christmas and they were going to get millions of new users, and microsoft inexplicably did not, and they're getting PAID! It's nuts. - bhattsan, on 01/13/2008, -1/+12Stop thinking. Uncharted is probably the best game (besides GH and Warhawk) that I have in my collection. Especially if you're into adventure type games. You should also try ratchet and clank
- estvir, on 01/13/2008, -12/+22Add in a note telling them to transfer the 'ID' across when you send it in and as if it takes 'months' to do it via the phone. I've seen on a bunch of forums were people have just called up, explained the problem, proven who they were and they were given MS Points to re-purchase them or some other way.
- SSUK, on 01/13/2008, -4/+14And the morale of the story is; never listen to Ataxia87.
- ut2k4king, on 01/13/2008, -13/+23Insert obligatory PC Gaming comment here.
- dsmx, on 01/13/2008, -0/+10Well there was that guy who's gone through 11 xbox 360's that made the front page last year.
- offspring06, on 01/13/2008, -1/+10It sucks for people like me who can't be connected to Live everytime I want to play a game with DLC.
- Sniper, on 01/13/2008, -0/+9Actually, Sony's PSN works fine.
- ninjakoala, on 01/13/2008, -0/+9Yeah that's true. I wanted to sell my Wii since there were no interesting games for it for a long while, though, and if I did that I would have to wave goodbye to those games if I decided to pick one up again at a later date.
I only buy things on VC if I consider them a really good deal and I can't find the same title on XBLA these days. - signorescuro, on 01/13/2008, -1/+10The games are linked to the original console. You lose your internet you lose your downloaded games.
- 3leggedHorse, on 01/13/2008, -2/+11 UT3, COD4, Resistance,
- superkendall, on 01/13/2008, -2/+11The next time someone tells you digital downloads are going to replace physical media - remember this story well.
- shakebabies, on 01/13/2008, -0/+9don't know why you were getting dugg down. i've experienced similar problems.
- merreborn, on 01/13/2008, -0/+9The only story I've heard about a dead Wii, nintendo customer service transfered all the VC titles from the dead console to the new one, no questions asked. They're tied to a console serial number, and they have records of what you've purchased based on that number.
But it's true. Nintendo's DRM is just as bad as Microsoft's, in this regard; the only differentiator is customer service. - armyturtle, on 01/13/2008, -3/+12Look, I don't know why people don't just get smarter about this. When my first xbox failed and I called xbox support & was told, "You'll have to pay to send it in to us" I couldn't believe what I was hearing! Why should I have to pay an additional $40+ (shipping cost) for a workable xbox 360? Had they provided a product that wasn't defective, my only cost for the product would be that of what I initially anticipated when I bought it!
I told them to shove it (on the phone), marched down to my local retailer & bought a new one. I opened it up & took the console out. I simply kept my existing hard drive. I put the NEW hard drive back in the box with the DEFECTIVE console and took it back to the store the same day. "It's broken & I don't want this POS" I told the store clerk - BAM! Full 100% refund and MICROSOFT EATS THE COST (It goes back to them for being defective). No more money out of my pocket; just my time for having to deal with the issue which is more than enough of what I should have to experience when purchasing a product.
Stop bending over for Microcrap and stick it to them by returning your xbox 360 to the store in the place of a NEW ONE (again, you'll have to initially purchase a 2nd one for the swap but it's only for a few hours at most - use your credit card for the day).
I've had 2 xbox 360's go RROD on me - both have been replaced by a new one from a retailer & immediately returned to the retailer. - renegadeafk, on 01/13/2008, -1/+9I think people would pirate stuff much less if the media you paid for wasn't laden with ridiculous drm.
- superkendall, on 01/13/2008, -1/+9Microsoft scapping a DRM feature?
The Zune didn't sell because Wireless sharing was hampered by DRM. They never took it off there. Why would they ever do so for Live? - FFIO, on 01/13/2008, -0/+8Disconnect from xbox live and check your content again.
- hollismb, on 01/13/2008, -1/+9This doesn't work at all (without calling them). Bought a new 360, redownloaded all the content I bought on the other machine, and nope, it doesn't work without being logged into that profile on Live.
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