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- triPzZz, on 10/11/2007, -15/+39so... you cant play your precious modded games on live? where's the problem?
stop crying like a little girl. you deserve to be banned. - PhoneGuy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25Isn't the 360 just another console without XBL?
The solution for the original Xbox was to own two. One modded and one factory for playing on-line, so I imagine as the price comes down this will once again be an option.
Personally, is Microsoft wrong for doing it? No. It is a very no intrusive way of both slowing the copying of games and eliminating the cheaters from the XBL service. If players are able to mod their machines and play XBL, it makes XBL a harder sell if players think there is no integrity in the system.
They could have taken the Sony route, and not only stopped the content from playing on your machine, but bricked your TV as well! - mustard, on 10/11/2007, -5/+28Microsoft are going to be all 'Oh man, we can't detect this new one', pirates will be all 'whee, free games for me', cheaters will be all 'OMG wallhacks'.
All through this, Microsoft will be taking numbers because 'oh, we could detect it after all, and have been tracking all you sorry *****' *Click* Banned. - haroonie, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23For homebrew to succeed, i think concessions have to be made. We saw a sort of trade off with xbox1; more homebrew in exchange for no 'live' online gaming.
i don't know if this day & age i'm willing to give up XBL for homebrew; but xbmc video playback w/ full 1080p hdmi/vga on the 360 is tempting! (not to mention maybe evox-dash for 360?)
:drool: - Cyber_Akuma, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18Am I the only one that was a little confused by the title?
I thought it said that MS is now banning anyone that provides technical details about the new firmware. - BooChihuahua, on 10/11/2007, -8/+21AGREED!!!!
- dvddesign, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15@norman
I was in the same train of thought as you when I had an original Xbox. I got very bored with it and the matching service.
With the 360, they cleaned up a lot of the mess. Being able to rate and block players, and to mute all the way down to a single player during a game kept me interested
I think XBL, sad to say since I dislike MS on almost all other fronts, is a decent service, and it's sad that the other guys haven't figured out that the services offered on XBL are an expectation and standard now, since they've excelled so much in what they offer. - Flynnz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14@Maynard
"I know they aren't bricking the console. If you think they should then you are the idiot. That is a surefire way to lose customers for life. They aren't that stupid."
I really dont think they care about customers who are stealing games. Let me just say that I have modded systems in the past, and I'm not trying to act like I am above it, but lets be honest here. Why the hell would they want customers that dont buy games? - chris9902, on 10/11/2007, -18/+27they're not bricking the console just the access to Live. But without Live the 360 isn't really worth it.
as for Microsoft being more lenient... what planet are you on? They should be even more aggressive imo. Start bricking people. - Aarrggimapirate, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13This is totally different then the Xbox 1. This hack that microsoft is fighting against does not allow modders to run unsigned code. Unsigned code is what made the xbox 1 the great homebrew and entertainment system it is. All these firmeware patches do is allow to play backups. You can load linux with one of the firmware patches but only if you did not update your console to the latest firmware.
- LogicBomB, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7As someone who plays on xbox live and saw all the glory of xbox modding with online games, I applaud their efforts.
Not a popular opinion but if someone is going to be editing their content, modding games, and ***** over those trying to just have fun, ban them all from xbox live, you shouldn't be on there with a modded system anyway. - heinousjay, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9You don't think of pirating games as renting, because if you did, you would rent. You think of it as free games. Don't try to justify being a dirtbag, just revel in it. Nothing is worse than a jerkass who thinks getting free entertainment makes him special.
Also, boughten is not a word, although given the intelligence you display in your rationalizations, I don't expect decent English from you. - doskir, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7you've probably been banned anyways because they logged data for MONTHS before they banned everyone
- incabulos, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Banned, asshat.
- Flynnz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7"Because they still pay for Live subscriptions and downloadable content. I'm not arguing that it is ok to pirate software. If MS let them back in once they are back to stock, they will buy games to use Live. With a console being banned, the owner might as well keep it modded and continue to pirate games. There is no reason to start buying them because they can't use them on Live anyway."
I hear what you are saying.....but at the same time I cant help but think that most people who have modded systems, will probably not buy all that many live games (why would they when they can have full on games with a click of a button?) And even if they do buy the occasional game here or there and Live sub, they really arent doing Microsoft, and developers/partners (who make the games they steal) any favors. The bottom line is they want to send a message, and that message could very well lower the rate that people mod new 360's. If people think buying games is too expensive, I say find a different hobby. And if you like to mod cause of the geekness (which I can totally relate to) buy 2 systems, and quit bitchin'.
And to those who are saying that people will just move to PS3.....well yeah that makes sense. They are going to buy an even more expensive system that you CANT play back ups on. Thats some great logic there. - tituspullo71, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6xbox live is not a right, it's a service that has rules. you break the rules you suffer the price. any game you play any your service you use online, has a TOS agreement. most of them state the same things as Microsoft's does. imagine the backlash if they did nothing and the M3 beta was just like H2 full of modder and hacks. If your that interested in homebrew just buy a 360 just for that , and buy 1 to play one line. you can't have it both ways and banning consoles is a step in the right direction for MS they should have done this years ago when the H2 modders were all over the place. even worse then having to pay after you've been banned from xbox live is having to pay to be modded on every other game you play in by some whiny loser that has to cheat to win.
- FriedTurkey, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11@ManyarkJK - They probably made a ton of money on people upgrading to Elites because of it too though.
They are probably killing the second hand market too. Who wants to buy a second hand 360 that might not be able to get online? - Bobtastic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Is that sort of like the battle between Sony who have billions of dollars at their disposal and PSP homebrewers? Cause I'm voting on the homebrew scene for that one....
- wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8MS supplies the world with XNA Studio Express for free, its the best "happy medium" between the "unsigned code" (backup players) and amateurs who want to write games for consoles.
MS has gone further than its competitors to encourage homebrew amateurs -- they should be applauded.
Banning Modded XBox's from Live assures people arent cheating - I WANT that. i dont want people hacking their boxes to take the fun out of our online gameplay. MS is already far ahead of the competition with its LIVE experience -- how do you think Sony & Nintendo would fare if the online gameplay was lousy with cheat-modded game-players?
MS is ahead of the curve on this, preventing online cheating. And its a Good Thing(TM). - xerox, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8you mean, if you didnt update your console to the latest kernel.
- Soulhuntre, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5You aren't SERIOUSLY making an argument that SONY for f__ks sake is the defender of consumer freedom?
- Tsmith10803, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4As someone who has a modded console, and has yet to be banned. All I can say is that, it was good while it lasted. We all knew the risks when we modded, and we all should be willing to accept the consequences of modding and violating the TOS of Xbox live. We had a good run and we'll continue to fight however!
- Ac1d, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6uhh.. well done on copying and pasting someones post?
- MaynardJK, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@ringlord
They can detect it on retail games. They log things like game load times which are affected by some of the firmwares slowing the drive speed to make it quieter etc. - IADTatami, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5A lot of people are taking that view. No one likes cheaters, but I think MS is throwing the baby out with the bath water, here. Homebrew development will be retarded, and of course there's the issue of denying people the ability to make backup copies of their media. I believe that ultimately, the potential of the 360 will be retarded by these knee-jerk control policies.
On the subject, I'm not happy with the way "backup copy" has become synonymous with "pirated copy". I don't see how the right to make back up copies of one's media will ever be respected as long as this sort of doubletalk is indulged in.
IMO, the way pirates pervert the word "backup" isn't all that different from the way industry shills pervert the word "steal". - craig4, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4sounds like my mom
- craig4, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4oops double post, now don't I look silly.
- Soulhuntre, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3One of the best changes in H3 is how seriously fast and easy it is to mute someone.
- jordan1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5dude, people are using custom fw to play copied games.jackass. these same people are getting banned off XBL for using them.
- lolhax, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You can play originals and backups. But you can't connect to Live at all.
- PatoLucas, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5@Maynard
"I know they aren't bricking the console. If you think they should then you are the idiot. That is a surefire way to lose customers for life. They aren't that stupid."
Sorry, but that ranked a 11 of 10 on my *****. Modders aren't customers, no console maker or publisher wants them. And it's actually good for M$ if modders go to PS3, Sony loses $250 on each console they sell, hopping to get it back in games, but if the "customer" doesn't buy any games then it's Sony loss, great for M$
@straxus
"Irrelevant. If they were to go around intentionally bricking modded consoles, it would open them up to a *very* *nasty* lawsuit. Microsoft have no grounds on which to go around breaking hardware that they do not own, even if they know the user is pirating games. They can revoke access to Live, because Live is their playground. You break the TOS, you play elsewhere. But bricking 360s would be a highly illegal form of vigilantism. The courts exist for a reason. You can't just go around smashing other people's property, just because you think they are ripping you off."
IIRC the terms of ownership of the Xbox360 say that you're the owner of the console, but not of the software on it. According to that M$ cando any change they please on the console without our concent. I may be wrong, but I'm at work and don't have the box near me. - austin63, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Good, stay banned. Cheaters ruined Halo2. Screaming kids shut up when you beat them (or just mute them), but playing up into the higher levels just got you to play modders every other game and level you back down.
You know the rules. If the box is modded don't connect to Live. I run XBMC on the old xbox and I dont let it connect. For good online multiplayer you dont get it both ways. - wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2At present, you dont have access to LIVE via XNA Studio Express -- they are probably (correctly) worried about maliscious coders -- but when (if) they do, XBox 360 will explode as the most open and available console.
- quik22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2done. buried you for being lame.
- jull1234, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2If they opened up the XNA restrictions a bit more, and maybe provided a couple decent art tools (the hidden flaw in the whole system) with the subscription, I think we'd see an explosion in the number of people embracing the 360 for hobby programming. I just want XBMC on my 360.
- Bamborzled, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@wageslaven
XNA costs $99 a year if you want to make games for the Xbox. That said, it costs thousands for regular Nintendo and Sony devkits, so it's a very good deal. - ringlord, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I'm not sure if they can detect modded FW effects while playing retail games, but if you've modded your console in any way, you should not be surprised if you get banned. In fact, they may have been collecting data for months and just not banning people until now. So when you sign in you may find yourself banned regardless.
- reapergun9, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6So I guess the PS3's the system of choice for any douche who can't just be content with a good console?
- tc811, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@citrusfizz
"See, the games I have liked: GoW Vegas NFS:C madden 07, and C&C3 I have boughten..."
I usually don't rag on people for grammar, but "boughten"?
lol - MaynardJK, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1MS killed xlink and xbc for any new games. They set the ping time limit so low that you can't connect over a WAN.
- wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2XNA Studio Express is for Homebrew Game writing. Other mods, are for pirating. Im not against pirating per-se, but lets call a spade a spade.
- knodi, on 10/11/2007, -10/+11Only took c4e and this team with help of few others on the Xhacker forums to nail this in 3 DAYS. Freaking amazing.
- mustard, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4yes, hoowaman, they are.
Some games have a lot of data in unsigned files. GoW being one of them, and the most publically known. I'm sure there are others, but none quite as high-profile. - shnplongl, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Some us aren't rich, ynow. Plus, what about people who genuinely want to backup their originals?
- mlapaglia, on 10/11/2007, -9/+10you can't cheat with any of the mods you can perform on a 360 right now.
- Flynnz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@straxus
I agree with what you say. I dont think MS should brick systems. I was just making a point about the "losing customers" portion of the comment.
However I also think with the ***** DMCA crap, they could very well be in their rights to brick the 360 (though I admit I am not sure about that) - frygar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2My console, my choice - if I feel like modding it, I damn well intend to. I understand that Live belongs to MS - fine, so be it, I choose not to use Live because I find it to be $50 too expensive.
- jull1234, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1durr, I assume they check to see if you opened the console before accepting a return/repair request.
- MaynardJK, on 10/11/2007, -8/+9"For homebrew to succeed, i think concessions have to be made. We saw a sort of trade off with xbox1; more homebrew in exchange for no 'live' online gaming."
With the xbox1, at least you could still use a modded box to play system link games over xlink or xbconnect. Microsoft killed this by setting the ping time limit to 30 ms. I think they should be a little more lenient and un-ban people that reset their systems to stock firmwares. As is, I read about and know a bunch of people hit by the ban hammer that are planning on buying PS3s instead of another 360.
They probably made a ton of money on people upgrading to Elites because of it too though. - jordan1, on 10/11/2007, -7/+8boo frickin hoo, I can't copy games now! waaa!
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