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Suicide Bombing Makes Sick Sense in 'Halo 3'

wired.com — A lot of teenage kids out there play dozens of hours of multiplayer Halo a week. They thus become insanely good at the game: They can kill me with a single head shot from halfway across a map. I can't do those things. So after a few weeks of this ritual humiliation, I got sick of it. And I devised a simple technique for revenge...

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  • DewKnight, on 11/10/2007, -3/+116This is something I've been doing since the days of Halo LAN parties. The rockets were just great for those quick suicide bombings inside a guarded base.
    • pixarman, on 11/10/2007, -12/+184See I just stick my teammate in the back as he runs into the hornet's nest of enemies. That way I get all the kills and I still live. Sure my buddy unwillingly sacrifices himself, but it's for the greater good. :)
      I guess that makes me more of a "George W" type than a suicide bomber.
      • johnmalc, on 11/10/2007, -2/+49I may get buried for mentioning Warhawk, but this technique is also one of the most satisfying things to do in that game. There's often 10 people camping a flag in CTF, making progress impossible. Thus, I'll throw 3-4 sticky mines onto a jeep and drive straight into an enemy base, usually with catastrophic results (as it sets off their own mines, as well).

        Does this make me a sick bastard?
      • typicalusername, on 11/06/2007, -35/+17Dude, take that political ***** outta our gaming thread! Why do people bring this ***** in here!
        • mightydavefish, on 11/06/2007, -8/+19Because it's real life, kiddo.
          Just because you stick your head in the sand and play games doesn't stop the real world from rolling.
          Talking about a GAME is pathetic. Real life is the *****.
        • coyote1284, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1@mightydavefish
          Then GBT news stories and out of gaming
      • rholland356, on 11/09/2007, -0/+8You a GW type? Not likely. You actually showed up for the fight before your brilliant backstab maneuver. But I have no doubt that if GW had the wherewithal to come up with the idea, and the mettle to show up for battle, then, yes, this approach could have been called the "GW Buttbuddy Bomber" or some such.
      • mfpratte, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1that is so devious i like it and will definitely be trying it
    • merreborn, on 11/10/2007, -1/+73Everyone who sucks at FPSes comes up with some kind of suicide tactic after a few hours. Even back in the Doom days.
      • PATSCRU, on 11/06/2007, -7/+2i know i'm nitpicking, but wouldn't be FPSers? or is the plural shooters implied in FPS?
        • TheGuruStud, on 11/06/2007, -1/+2No, it's First Person Shooterers. See?
      • Obsydian, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3It is a popular tactic, one which everyone does, and one which is now being included as a "perk" in CoD4:MW as martrydom. Then again the opfor does look like your standard middle eastern terrorist.
    • rrasco, on 11/08/2007, -5/+21I apply this tactic to shotguns, swords, and hammers. Only sure fire way to get the power weapons out of their hands.

      On a side note: if anyone has played the campaign, there are actually brute suicide bombers as well, they are running around with a plasma in each hand screaming something while strategically running straight for you.
      • BobsYourUncle, on 11/08/2007, -0/+35I think they were grunts, not brutes.
        • rrasco, on 11/06/2007, -1/+2Meh, whatchamacallits, I don't know, but my buddy said they were brutes. I thought they were covenant any who, apparently we were both wrong, lol! I stand corrected.
        • wentwj, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4I'm not sure if halo knowledge is considered geeky or cool these days, but Brutes and Grunts are both Covenant. But the people that run at you with plasma's are grunts.
      • alexforcefive, on 11/06/2007, -1/+21Zombine!!!
        • moskaudancer, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4Armored suicide bombers are even worse than the regular kind. :(
        • aazn, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Dugg for Orange Box reference and a joke which you can't reassure Alyx to in one word.
      • brjndr, on 11/09/2007, -0/+14Sometimes if you deploy a bubble shield in campaign, a brute will slap a sticky grenade on a grunt, and send him it. Caught me by surprise the first time.
        • rrasco, on 11/06/2007, -1/+2I have not seen that yet, I will have to give it a try. Is that something that only happens on Legendary? The AI gets noticeably smarter with the more difficult levels.
    • NJank, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4I used this technique back in the Tanarus/Armorgeddon days. worked like a charm. Glad to see strategies never really change...
    • theradical, on 11/09/2007, -1/+30I always use this in Smash bros. If you play as Donkey Kong you can grab hold of someone else, then just jump right off the screen. Ha!
      • Psythik, on 11/09/2007, -1/+11Heh, and I thought I was the only one who did that!
      • Hase0, on 11/06/2007, -2/+6so dirty if u do it when u have more lives then them
      • AceLy, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2Only works on people who don't waggle the control stick or have high percentages.
      • aazn, on 11/08/2007, -2/+2You know if that game had online it would outrank Halo...
    • supaklaw, on 11/09/2007, -33/+3Suiciding only works if you take out more enemies than 1. A one for one kill on an expert player is stupid unless it's attrition game (no respawn) It's just a cheap way for a noob to feel like they got a kill, it has no effect on a tactical game. It might be quasi-useful to kill an enemy with a sword or hammer inside your own base, then a teammate could pick it up, but who knows, another enemy could pick it up. It's really not a very effective strategy, and it's not even a good comparison to real life suicide bombing like he is tryign to suggest... most suicide bombers attempt to take out and wound as many casualties as possible... and respawns pretty much remove the "terror" from that anyway. Nice try noob, how's about quitting Halo and playing some minesweeper or tetris and stop wasting player's time... inevitably I'm stuck with at least 2-3 complete noobs per game for this exact reason, dorks who can't play who are compelled to get online anyway.
      • svartgotik, on 11/09/2007, -1/+24Sounds like you got owned from this particular tactic.

        "IT'S NOT FAIR, MY GAMERSCORE IS LIKE 200,000!!"
      • ryodoan, on 11/09/2007, -1/+24In your own way, you just proved him right.
      • Terr01, on 11/09/2007, -0/+9One of the first times I played Halo 2 (I'm more of a PC person) the other guys wanted to play in some sort of phantom mode in a very glinty odd arena. ("Midship?")

        The guy who always seemed to have the plasma sword kept coming after me, but half the time I managed to stick him with a grenade before expiring. "I'm a newbie but I made a difference!")
      • raitchison, on 11/09/2007, -1/+15"Inevitably I'm stuck with at least 2-3 complete noobs per game for this exact reason, dorks who can't play who are compelled to get online anyway."

        Yeah the nerve of those guys who don't have hours every day to get good, they should stay off Xbox Live altogether and stay away from all the 1337 5am3rz.
        • moskaudancer, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5"Samers"?
          • raitchison, on 11/09/2007, -0/+8***** I don't know, I'm just one of those "noobs"
        • supaklaw, on 11/07/2007, -1/+1"Leet"... no it's called actually knowing how to hold a controller upright... understanding that Capture the Flag doesn't involve grabbing the sniper, running out into the middle of the field, dying, and giving it to the enemy. I don't spend hours per day, I work 50 hour weeks but actually like, know how to play Halo. I bet I'm older than 90% of the Geezer clan... and I'm a 40 in Lone Wolves and Major biotch. And yes... dumbasses that can't play Halo should stay off XBL and go play Tetris or something to match their slow wits.
      • coyote1284, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1OK, I can tell that I am among my betters. I will never attempt to learn how to play because I am currently not 1337 m4574r of Halo. How lucky it is that you were born with the natural abilty to pwn at Halo before Halo was even concieved.
    • kuwan, on 11/06/2007, -0/+14I use this particular tactic quite often in VIP games, especially on Valhalla when the VIP is camping inside the lower base. It works quite well too and is a great tactic for VIP games where the only way to score is to kill the VIP - thus eliminating the drawback that you die as well. Who cares if you die killing the VIP, killing him is the only thing that counts.
    • Verz, on 11/06/2007, -1/+2The Pyro in TF2 was made for this. The best tactic is to jump in the middle of the armada, set everyone ablaze, and then see them screaming for medics before eventually dropping dead (after they've raped you for setting them on fire). Anyone that says that the Pyro sucks offensively has obviously never seen this in action.
      • TedTschopp, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4Pryo with a medic giving invunerability FTW!!
    • stepnet, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1How can you have forgotten... BF2...., C4+quad bike = no more tank.
    • BestJaxx, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2I think I've met you guys.
    • Zera, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Hello!!! This has existed in EVERY game even remotely resembling a first person shooter. The fact that the writer seemed to 'just realize' this now with Halo3 makes me wonder if he's ever played a video game before, but I guess he's only a guest writer for Wired, so they can't be blamed for this ridiculous article.

      Suicide bombing doesn't have anything to do with being POOR, it has to do with being DESPERATE. If poor people were bombing other people, then, China, India, and Africa (Alabama? hehe) would be the suicide bombing capitals of the world. In the real world, suicide bombers see their final act as the biggest impact they can have to affect change. Usually, that is just to try to remove an occupying force they see as unjust. When there's nothing else you can do, at least you can give your family and friends a little better chance of having a world with fewer of a force you see as a negative in your part of the world. And yes, there are always the inexplicable suicide bombings like in malls and things, I'm not sure what the bomber things THAT will accomplish, but in general, the targets are usually clear. They see it as the only way, and "Desperate times call for desperate measures" Plus, throw in no, or little education, manipulation with corrupt and evil religious figures, and religion and ignorance are a dangerous combination, capable of manipulating someone to do almost anything.
  • RobLiefeld, on 11/10/2007, -331/+7If this game promotes Jihad, it should be taken off the shelves and banned. Suicide bombing is no joke - fake or real.
    • deadbaby, on 11/10/2007, -6/+116But other types of murder are OK? Let's face it: It's a murder simulator. Might as well fully indulge yourself in it. I use this tactic all the time in UT.
      • Otto, on 11/06/2007, -19/+11No, it's a battle/war/combat simulator. Murder is something else. Not all killing is murder.

        We have words to express ideas. Using the wrong words makes you look like an idiot.
        • rayraym0fucka, on 11/06/2007, -15/+11I think anytime you kill someone it is murder.
          • schnikies79, on 11/06/2007, -4/+9Law doesn't agree with you.

            Murder is the unlawful killing of another human.
          • rabidbob, on 11/06/2007, -2/+11Law != morality.
          • RedHerringHack, on 11/06/2007, -2/+7I think you need to think some more. You apparently lump reality in with fantasy. Did you forget to take your pills again?
          • DarkSamus, on 11/06/2007, -0/+9anybody who agrees with robliefeld is an idiot, note that his own post says "real or fake" , isn't that the whole point? forget bombing, you can do much worse in games like metal gear, gta, and manhunt, the whole idea is that it's not real you idiots
        • objectcode, on 11/06/2007, -3/+7then i guess suicide bombing in the game isn't murder either, its combat and suicide
        • TheLoneHoot, on 11/06/2007, -6/+3"Murder is something else. Not all killing is murder. We have words to express ideas. Using the wrong words makes you look like an idiot"
          It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.
          ~ Albert Einstein

          So I guess you're smarter than Einstein then?
          • MaynardJK, on 11/06/2007, -3/+11Appeal to authority fallacy
          • 8086ed, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4"Using the wrong words makes you look like an idiot."
            - Albert Einstein
          • iticu, on 11/06/2007, -3/+1Einstein believed in God, aswell. Should we all believe in God?
            Everyone has different opinions.
        • deadbaby, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1If you want to argue murder in the context of war you still have to accept that war takes the lives of innocent civilians. I think it's more than a little naive to play a game like Call of Duty and pretend like it's not taking place in a war that included the deaths of tens of millions of civilians. The actions of a desperate suicide bomber are morally adjacent to the actions of a bomber pilot who presses the button to drop a bomb that ultimately kills civilians.
    • ZeRux, on 11/10/2007, -2/+213Even in chess you can sacrifice a figure for greater purpose. So let's ban that game too while you're at it.
      • SimianSamurai, on 11/09/2007, -3/+27You win! Best response!
      • CedEx, on 11/06/2007, -5/+1"Pawns of war".... That statement rings true in so many ways.
    • ne0shell, on 11/10/2007, -6/+126Seriously, Can you read? You really need to work on your comprehension skills if after reading that article all you got out of it is that "Halo 3 promotes Jihad". Idiots like you explain why Bush still has 20%.....
      • cyberoptic, on 11/12/2007, -42/+3Actually if you pulled your head out of your ass, and actually payed attention to things, LIBERAL and DEMOCRATS say VIDEO GAMES promote violence, Republicans say video gomes have nothing to with it. WTG another lib talking out of his ass.
        • DarkSamus, on 11/06/2007, -2/+21***** man, quit voting for bush, our dollar is worth almost nothing these days. The amount of money we wasted on the war could've made new orleans look like beverly hills
          • Dumbledorito, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1I'd rather make Beverly Hills look like New Orleans. It'd be more fun and have better food.
          • cyberoptic, on 11/06/2007, -0/+0I Agree, I dont support bush anymore, i did atr first but it gets to a point where you start saying WTF? more troops? more money WTF?
        • Psythik, on 11/06/2007, -9/+0Just because someone's a republican doesn't mean that they voted for Bush. And cyberoptic's speaking the truth and getting dugg down for it.
          • cyberoptic, on 11/07/2007, -0/+1Happens every time someone doesnt agree with the liberal ***** on here, they digg it down so no one else can see it and realize im right. they want everyonme to think like them.
        • Psythik, on 11/06/2007, -3/+3Actually, I lied. Political party association has nothing to do with what stance someone will take on video games. I'm a republican, and I love video game violence.
        • boyasunder, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3Remind me again what party Jack Thompson belongs to?
          • cyberoptic, on 11/12/2007, -1/+0Remind me what party Clinton (Bill and Hillary), Lieberman, Gore, Kennedy belong too? you just found some random guy who happens to be republican. way to go do some research.
    • ButchersBoy, on 11/06/2007, -5/+12Don't be a big baby.
    • Shrubber, on 11/10/2007, -38/+7I'm going to stick my neck out and say that you all miserably FAILED to detect this guy's sarcasm.

      I mean, "Suicide bombing is no joke-fake or real" is a great line.
      • dinostabOMG, on 11/05/2007, -1/+3Yeah, I'm having an NEDM moment here.
      • DarkSamus, on 11/10/2007, -4/+11check some of his posts moron, he's pro-bush and wants him for a 3rd term, hahahaha, i'm pro bush too but only the female bush
      • Lythium, on 11/10/2007, -1/+3I have better things to do that to try to intuit if someone is being sarcastic or not. If he's not smart enough to figure out that sarcasm doesn't carry through in pure text, he deserves to be dugg down anyway.
        • 8086ed, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3Do you read? Vonnegut was one of the best satirists of the last century, and all he did was write.
    • DeathJux, on 11/10/2007, -1/+68I'm declaring a Jihad on your post.
    • OMGWTFROFLMAOx2, on 11/06/2007, -3/+18You haven't played against suicide bombers until you've played Serious Sam.
      • SimianSamurai, on 11/06/2007, -1/+5AAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHH!! BOOM!
        • adgreene, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4Those ***** piss me off, but they are funny as hell.
        • Dumbledorito, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1"YAAAAGGHH yourself!"

          (pause)

          "Uh-oh..."
    • foxhaze, on 11/06/2007, -8/+14He was joking, but that's ok. We're all haters, here.
      • TheProtested, on 11/05/2007, -0/+8no he wasn't...read his other comments, they're all terrible.
    • BreathofCepheus, on 11/06/2007, -2/+5It's a video game, why don't you spend more time raising your kids, maybe you won't have to worry about the little fellas when they discover that video games are fun..
    • Acglaphotis, on 11/06/2007, -7/+2I knew some kind of jackass would make that comment.
    • Acglaphotis, on 11/06/2007, -5/+3I knew some kind of jackass would make that comment.
    • Jargonaut06, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4Sarcasm anyone?
    • onlynameicanget, on 11/06/2007, -1/+14Jack Thompson? Is that you?
    • Christbait, on 11/06/2007, -2/+1I will track down all those speak in ill manner of fun, and blow myself up!
    • objectcode, on 11/06/2007, -1/+7pull flight simulator off the shelfs too. i saw someone fly a plane into a building
      • vornan19, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1FA-18 Hornet! I would ignore the missions and just fly, strafe, cruise down mainstreet real low and slow and exit under full thrust! Whew!
        Man, I miss my Mac :-(
    • guestaccount, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4And counterstrike promotes terrorism and taking hostages, let ban it.
    • wafflzRgood, on 11/06/2007, -1/+6Birth promotes nudity. Ban it.
    • 74YLOR3k, on 11/06/2007, -1/+8Do you even know what the word Jihad means?
      • moskaudancer, on 11/06/2007, -0/+8He doesn't, but I do. :)
        jihad, verb- "to strive" or "to struggle"
        In fact, it usually refers to a person's personal struggle with their own morals/religious views; the "religious war" meaning is secondary to the others.
        • 74YLOR3k, on 11/06/2007, -1/+2Glad to see some intelligence around here once in a while!
    • mightyzug, on 11/06/2007, -1/+5yes yes, we all know it was sarcasm. that doesn't change the fact that he is still a douchebag who isn't funny.
    • snyperr2s, on 11/06/2007, -5/+2jihad means holy war, dumbass
      • hanzzz, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1guess youre the dumbass, jihad does not mean holy war. look it up.
    • BPShirase, on 11/06/2007, -1/+6Youngblood sucks. Oversized misproportioned superheroes promotes steroid use and should be taken off the shelves & banned. Steroid abuse is no joke, fake or real
      • HotSauce750, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2Hilarious! and true, Youngblood sucked.
      • PATSCRU, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3Yeah, youngblood sucked, but what he did to the xmen was just wrong....His comics should have been taken off the shelves...raping comic book canon is no joke...fake or real. I hope that's not the real rob liefield, but then again, i hope it is, because having him troll digg like that would reaffirm the view i have of him as being a total ***** douchebag.
      • Dumbledorito, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1I think when he drew Cap, that was when the editors decided that someone should kill ol' Steve and put him out of his misery: http://grotesqueanatomy.blogspot.com/2004/05/now-t ...
    • screwfanboys1, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1woah! where did you get Jihad from??
    • n0t0kayipr0mis3, on 11/06/2007, -1/+7Jihad doesn't mean suicide you ignorant piece of *****, it means "holy war" or battle for one's beliefs (especially, but not limited to islam).

      Remember it's an Arabic word not a Muslim word.
    • jjb123, on 11/06/2007, -1/+3You know, when I saw "You have blocked RobLiefeld" with -250 diggs I knew it was going to be something good.
    • Nikonian, on 08/17/2008, -1/+1Wow, congrats for being the most buried user for a comment.
    • Anaxerzia, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Why is it that every ***** time I go to a popular story on digg this troll is always here making some gay-ass comment no one likes and gets dugg down for. Either this guy has some sick fun consistantly having the most dugg down comment or is truly this retarted. God damn...
    • AudioPhotograph, on 11/06/2007, -1/+2Okay Jack Thompson, but before you go flipping your ***** everywhere, I think your forgetting about Freedom of Speech, in fact, read this, its a great essay written about how banning violent/sexual media doesn't solve anything, but it makes it worst. Its entitled "Shooting The Messenger". http://www.mediacoalition.org/reports/stm_full.pdf
    • MoeWasHere, on 11/06/2007, -1/+2Rob Liefeld? Is that you? the real Rob Liefeld?? Of Image comics. The guy who along with Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane pretty much made that comic book company float???

      how could you stoop so low?
  • otw7, on 11/10/2007, -6/+313From a terrorist's point of view, having nothing to lose opens up a world of possibilities.
    • DeathJux, on 11/10/2007, -4/+187"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything" - Tyler Durden
      • doctechnical, on 11/10/2007, -3/+95"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
        • Otto, on 11/08/2007, -2/+68"When you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose." - Bob Dylan
          • rstarr, on 11/08/2007, -2/+169"Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't." - Almond Joy
          • spinningobo, on 11/07/2007, -5/+48C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!
          • dch111, on 11/10/2007, -1/+36I swear, often the best things about these articles are the comments.
        • scrimaxinc, on 11/06/2007, -3/+84"If you sprinkle when you tinkle please be neat and wipe the seat!"
          - Grama
        • readerofbooks, on 11/06/2007, -7/+2dugg for hilarity
        • benjihad, on 11/06/2007, -10/+3"me and bobby mcgee" was written by Kris Kristopherson, not janis joplin. she may have repeated it, but those are not her words.
          • alexforcefive, on 11/05/2007, -2/+1Wait, didn't he die in the last film?
        • lazyeyesam, on 11/06/2007, -7/+4***** sapiens non urinat in ventum.
        • sittered, on 11/06/2007, -0/+7Tyler Durden = Janis Joplin

          ?
        • mike81890, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Tyler Durden =/= Janis Joplin
    • OMGWTFROFLMAOx2, on 11/10/2007, -1/+84I'm afraid to Digg up your comment as I may be put on DoHS's watch list..again.
      • toastgodsupreme, on 11/06/2007, -9/+17We're all on there. Everyone from Digg is a suspected terrorist in the eyes of our Govt. FREE THINKING OMFG STOP!
        • bCabulon, on 11/06/2007, -0/+20Free thinking on digg‽‽
        • NJank, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2translates into "not 'their' version of not free". doesn't equal free, but feels like it.
        • Echuta, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4I don't think they're worried. None of us is as dumb as all of us.
      • Humptydank, on 11/06/2007, -0/+9You're already on our watch list.

        Best Regards,

        -- The Department of Homeland Security
    • Kinkistyle, on 11/06/2007, -3/+18The thing about suicide bombing is that it is not necessarily a "terrorist" act. One can be a terrorist without committing suicide, and one can be a suicide bomber without being a terrorist.
      • xerexes1, on 11/06/2007, -0/+5Please elaborate that thought.
        • objectcode, on 11/06/2007, -0/+7you can blow up a bus without killing yourself. you can blow yourself up to kill the enemy without it being terror.
        • Neiby, on 11/06/2007, -3/+16Suicide bombing is a tactic. Terrorism is a made-up word used to demonize the enemy and create fear. If you look at it from the "other" side's perspective, they are using the only tools they have remaining to fight a war they know is nearly impossible to win. They see themselves as freedom fighters giving their lives for their cause. It's only "terrorism" when the people we label as the good guys are the people being attacked. The "good guys" could kill just as many of the "terrorists" and we'd label it as a military action or retaliation of some sort. But if the bad guys retaliate we call it terrorism. Funny how that works.
          • raitchison, on 11/06/2007, -0/+13Terrorism is about the target, if a bomber walks into a military installation or a logistical target and blows himself up that's not terrorism, if they choose a schoolbus, cafe or crowded market with no tactical value whatsoever that's terrorism.

            A perfect example of this is during the Israel incursion into Lebanon last year, the terrorists were launching rockets OVER large concentrations of Israeli troops to get to Israeli cities, the troops would have been easier to hit and obviously would have had more of a tactical effect (the troops likely would have pulled back to a safer distance) but the rockets were meant to scare ("terrorize") people even if that made them completely inefective from a military, tactical perspective.
    • DarkSamus, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1literally a "world" of possiblilities
    • mattozan, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3nothing can stop me now, 'cause I don't care anymore - NIN
    • zombies187, on 11/06/2007, -0/+12My father always told me to leave my enemy somewhere to run to or at least a perceived chance to win. If he is surrounded, he knows hes doomed and will fight harder.
      • moskaudancer, on 11/06/2007, -0/+16Your dad was smart. Was he taken down in an epic battle against a thousand zombies?
    • ukickmydog, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1thats why terminally ill people are used for assassination attempts, no tommorow, no worries
    • styromaniac, on 11/10/2007, -0/+1The funny thing is, Jihadists believe they will gain 72 virgins if they sacrifice themselves for Allah, as if he were a pimp.
  • ne0shell, on 11/06/2007, -11/+40If he's THAT mis-matched then people are poaching among the players with less time to advance. If that's the case then hell yeah, pull the haj on their asses and make them feel the pain.
    • dinostabOMG, on 11/06/2007, -11/+6Do you know what "hajj" means? No or yes - stfu.
      • MarkOfTheDead, on 11/06/2007, -1/+13How do you answer a question if you're shutting the ***** up?
        • jspegele, on 11/07/2007, -2/+11"YOU SHUT YOU'RE MOUTH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO ME!"
    • stupergenius, on 11/06/2007, -0/+29Hajj (n.) - the pilgrimage to Mecca.
      • Tyr7BE, on 11/06/2007, -1/+8I guess it's a long pilgrimage and it would hurt your feet walking all that way, so maybe that's what neoguy is suggesting? They would "feel the pain". Seriously just show up at the kid's house and be all "off to Mecca with you, punk".
    • jsawyer93, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4Skilled players poaching on n00bs - no that NEVER happens.
  • ButchersBoy, on 11/10/2007, -4/+159I like this guy. He is using tactics which suit him, to get as many kills as he can, which is exactly the same as what every other player is doing.
    • PRlME, on 11/06/2007, -4/+23I'm glad you say that. So people stop getting mad at us campers!
      • objectcode, on 11/06/2007, -1/+18you would think making people mad would mean you are doing something right
    • Crazymaniacc, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4what most players want is a good kdr, more kills dan death, not just many kills.
  • DeviantDragon, on 11/06/2007, -36/+17I don't get why this is novel at all. Using plasmas to kill the other guy if you think you're about to die is nothing new. If this is getting dugg because the comparison seems particularly mindblowing then the writer's making light of the real situation behind suicide bombers. Real suicide bombers can't just respawn so I think that saying that you can get into their mindset is just insulting to them.
    • Detritus, on 11/06/2007, -2/+28While this isn't "mind blowing" it is a demonstration of how video games can be a learning tool.

      In this case, the player is learning about asymmetrical warfare. This is a very complex subject since everything else we're taught tells us that suicide bombers are acting in ways that are so abhorrent we cannot even begin to understand their motivation. All of the complexities and hurdles involved in over-coming our prejudices and subjudices to understand this methodology are dissolved simply by placing the player in the situation.

      Without dogma or promises of virgins or honor; the player comes to his own conclusion of the most effective strategy to meet his goals.
      • mikesherov, on 11/06/2007, -7/+4Yeah, but he's not sacrificing anything real. If the goal is to learn about motivation, we've gained nothing. You can't learn about motives in a simulated environment if the consequences are different.

        If the rules of the game were that you could never play halo 3 again once you die, but you were promised by some book that you'd get a copy of some even more awesome game when you die, then we could begin to at least approximate the Cost/Benefit Analysis that would go into the act of virtual suicide bombing.
        • stupergenius, on 11/05/2007, -0/+6It says more about the motivation to kill yourself than does the enticement offered by 40 virgins (or a super awesome game) or whatever. For, surely, if the reward is real and attainable, then why doesn't everyone do it? Clearly there are other motivating factors at hand.
        • dinostabOMG, on 11/05/2007, -0/+4Actually... that's kind of a cool idea. "Your Xbox will melt this game when you lose, but wait until you get the sequel!"
        • venom8599, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1That's the point--the player was going to die anyway, and thus he has nothing to lose. The life he had was about to be taken anyway, so why not take his enemy with him. The player gets no reward for doing it, save the satisfaction of displeasing and perhaps delaying the progress of players who are "better" than he is.
      • AnselmTormeeda, on 11/05/2007, -3/+4It's not about the 70 virgins, it's about the most effective means of crippling your opponent. From the millions who are "terrorists" throughout the world, not even a fraction of 1 percent have gone and blown themselves till now up but quite a large number are willing to do so. They just don't do it because they feel they can achieve more using an RPG rather than a bomb vest. Think of it as a cost benefit analysis.
    • idiggxbox, on 11/06/2007, -16/+4The last thing in the world I would be worried about is "insutling them"...***** terrorists they are lame ass coward pieces of *****.
    • Rahodeb, on 11/05/2007, -2/+9Oh noes! Don't insult suicide bombers!
    • Kinkistyle, on 11/06/2007, -0/+26But many radically religious suicide bombers DO believe they will "respawn" somewhere, somehow -- which is why they are so willing to do it.
    • Jimbob200, on 11/05/2007, -4/+2who gives a ***** if you insult someone who's blown themselves up in a bus? i would prop the guy (as i just propped this article).
    • Suricou, on 11/06/2007, -0/+14The fact that real suicide bombers dont respawn is irrelivent. What matters is that they *believe* they will respawn, and so are willing to die, fully expecting to find they have merely progressed to a new server.
      • killakan, on 11/05/2007, -5/+0No, it is very relevant.

        Would the author be so willing to trade his life for the life of his opponent if he new he would not be able to play Halo again?
        Would suicide bombing be more prevalent if the bombers knew that a) they would respawn and b) the people they killed would be respawned?

        In Halo, suicide bombing is a mere annoyance and death is not forever.
        • Coven, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4You keep missing the point. Suicide bombers believe that they WILL respawn.
  • luke16, on 11/06/2007, -20/+39Achmed would be proud
  • Bawk, on 11/10/2007, -11/+543"You will respawn in 3... 2... 1..."


    Wtf?! Where mah virgins at?!
    • goeatsmsht, on 11/06/2007, -23/+12ALLAH AKBAR!
    • nblsavage, on 11/10/2007, -8/+154"Wtf?! Where mah virgins at?!" - Playing Halo 3
      • bradbeattie, on 11/10/2007, -5/+53Although we have some bad news: the vast majority of them are male.
    • monospaced, on 11/10/2007, -7/+39durka durka
    • killakan, on 11/05/2007, -9/+1Congratulation! you have just pointed out the logical error in this article.
    • Jargonaut06, on 11/06/2007, -3/+9I can has virgins?
    • objectcode, on 11/10/2007, -0/+33would you accept 72 digg users?
    • huertanix, on 11/06/2007, -0/+20Your virgins are the ones you played against.
    • GeForce8800GTX, on 11/06/2007, -3/+4I see what you did there.
    • FutureGuy, on 11/06/2007, -3/+2Its those spartans around you, no one said those virgins are gals !!!
      --based on a joke I heard on comedy central
  • Error601, on 11/10/2007, -3/+68Suicide attacks is an age old tactic.
  • rjprux, on 11/10/2007, -5/+58dugg for my current 463 stick medals. Probably half due to a terrorist act.
    • _Ty_, on 11/06/2007, -1/+11Proof! We demand proof!! What is your Gamertag?
      • coviecarbine, on 11/06/2007, -3/+7You demand proof. We don't give a damn how many sticks he has.
      • rjprux, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1same as my digg username
  • Exhaust, on 11/06/2007, -27/+8Interesting article. This guy must really suck at Halo 3 to feel that this is his only option for getting kills. It sounds like hes not even trying any other tactics. Sticking people with a plasma is every good players last resort option.
    • VigaDSon, on 11/06/2007, -6/+7At least it's better than him cheesing with the usual cheese weapon to win.
    • skinfrakki, on 11/06/2007, -5/+14Missed the whole point here didn't ya Sega boy?
      • Exhaust, on 11/06/2007, -7/+2Sega boy? What the ***** you talking about retard? Jesus atleast make a point when you post a comment.
  • LimeParrot, on 11/06/2007, -35/+5Stupid article... Usually you'd get melee'd if you try to run up to someone and stick them. And sticking is still fun, even if you die, and seriously incomparable to a violent act of kamikaze / suicide bombing. In another words, I have no idea what the POINT of the article was... whining about lack of time?
    • HotSauce750, on 11/06/2007, -4/+8wow. you. are. retarded.
      • killakan, on 11/06/2007, -5/+1Really? So, after a suicide bomber blows up, he respawns or starts a new game like the author does?
      • LimeParrot, on 11/06/2007, -1/+5"wow. you. are. retarded." Thank you for your counter-argument...?
    • LimeParrot, on 11/06/2007, -8/+2Yes digg me down please.
    • ins0mn0maniac, on 11/06/2007, -4/+2I agree with you. I buried the article because it was so pointless. Halo3+Suicide bombing=worst analogy ever. Digg me down, dumbasses!
  • PleaseBeSerious, on 11/06/2007, -26/+14Wait. You can get paid for writing about your revelations of what is common knowledge?
    • ka9dgx, on 11/06/2007, -2/+10It's not common knowledge... I don't play Halo 3, MOST people don't play Halo 3... so it's not really that common, is it?
  • RabidAngel, on 11/06/2007, -6/+65The people analyzing this from the perspective of playing Halo 3 seem to be missing the point.
    • arobar, on 11/06/2007, -2/+70Yeah, weird... You would think that the vast majority of Halo 3 players would be well read, well educated go-getters who are always up for a spirited debate on real-world topics. I mean, if the constant "lol n00b" doesn't give you that impression then surely the gentlemen who repeatedly suggests you suck on his favourite appendage must bring you to this conclusion.
    • wordglue, on 11/05/2007, -14/+1YOU are missing the point.
  • inajeep, on 11/10/2007, -1/+24Left trigger before you die got me a lot of death from the grave medals.
  • idiggxbox, on 11/10/2007, -16/+87So terrorist become terrorist because they suck at life...I can see your point.
    • HotSauce750, on 11/06/2007, -7/+27No because they're fighting a war they have no chance of winning and have no chance of bettering their life. That's the point. That or they realize that they may have a chance at taking out someone like you. +1
      • JAVandiver, on 11/06/2007, -11/+2You hate America, do you not?
        • HotSauce750, on 11/06/2007, -4/+8That was not a "with us or against us" type statement. Get your head out of your ass.
        • moskaudancer, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Beware the false dichotomy.
      • killakan, on 11/06/2007, -6/+3Actually, they have a way to better their life. That is the hole in both your argument and the article.

        If they poured the resources they expend in destruction into creative and productive activities, they would be able to better their lives.
        • HotSauce750, on 11/06/2007, -2/+6Easy to make such a statement when you don't have mortars constantly dropping around your neighborhood or your loved ones are being killed by sniper fire on a daily basis. Perhaps you might even be lucky enough to have a job... unless it was comandeered as some type of military base.

        • archimago42, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1You do realize the "resources" they have are the weapons the US and the Soviets gave them. They are flooded with weapons and then deprived of everything else. It doesn't take a genius to see that is going to end up in violence.
    • barc0de, on 11/06/2007, -0/+31Ironically, this guy becomes a [HALO 3] terrorist because he doesnt suck at life.
    • ronaldinho, on 11/06/2007, -5/+2Yes, especially when they suck at getting woman......as Islam promote polygamy, so that simply leaves less women for those losers out there. The lure of 72 virgins is, not surprisingly, very alluring and convinces them to become terrorists.
    • kalvinb, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Several terrorists have turned out to be successful doctors who had a lot to live for. All they want to do is maximize casualities (so much for the oath) so they can get their 72 virgins. Their status in this life is completely irrelavent.
  • Frei, on 11/10/2007, -3/+52In light of this news, terrorists have stopped trying to acquire yellow cake and are now seeking the Orange Box. Says a Al-Quaeda spokesman, "I'm in your internetz, trainin for bombins."
  • lbreevesii, on 11/10/2007, -1/+49We do something similar in Battlefield 2 quite a bit. Especially on servers where FF is off. Be a spec op, load up a jeep(DPV or FAV usually) with your c4. Jump in, drive to a target or group of targets. Hop out and immediately hit the detonate button.
    • Hemingrubbish, on 11/06/2007, -0/+20ah the ol' jihad jeep. how i love thee.
    • volacide, on 11/06/2007, -3/+11Yeah but that's not because you guys suck at the game, that's just because you guys are dicks. I ***** hate that *****!

      Even if I'm in a tank it's not like it's hard to find another tank and take me out with your tank. Tank battling in BF2 comes down to who gets the first shot off. Or if you're close enough to just run up to the side of my tank and use that same C4 to blow me sky high.
      • joegibes, on 11/06/2007, -1/+1They suck at the game because they found a tactic that gets them tons of kills?

        I think you are the one that sucks because you keep falling for it. Blow up that jeep before it gets there!
        • volacide, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Are you ***** stupid? My first line is "but that's not because you guys suck at the game." I then go on to clarify that they do what they do only because they "are dicks." I say again, not because they suck at the game, because they're dicks and they enjoy the cheap kills.
          BF2 doesn't even really take skill, it's all just who gets off the first shot when it comes to tank battling, LIKE I SAID IN THE FIRST POST.
      • barc0001, on 11/06/2007, -1/+1We're not dicks, we're playing to our strengths. You're playing to yours. If our tactics are succeeding and yours aren't, you need new tactics.
      • Dioxide1982, on 11/07/2007, -0/+2That's right, I have little problem when I am in a tank taking out jihad jeeps so quit your bitching and get some skills
    • legendxx, on 11/07/2007, -1/+12i hate your kind.. and so does my tank
  • Laughto, on 11/10/2007, -4/+28Reminds me of making an Allahmobile in Battlefield 2. That was just for fun though.
    • SmokeMeAKipper, on 11/10/2007, -4/+17It's called Jihading.

      Often subject to server rules, but where acceptable it makes the armour whores nervous. Durka Durka
      • JAVandiver, on 11/10/2007, -1/+15"Happy Jihad's One Way Truck Rental" FTW!
      • fumar, on 11/05/2007, -1/+0it was such a fun tactic, but I only used it to get the special forces gold medal. Still its a fun and annoying tactic.
      • Typhoon2009, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1I got my expert explosives badge jihading. Warlord, as SAS special ops. Throw C4 on an ATV, slam into a tank at full speed, repeat 30 times.
  • Nougat, on 11/05/2007, -6/+1This kind of thing exists elsewhere in multiplayer games. Think Eve Online and Goonsquad vs BoB.
    • wolfkeeper, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4Think every online multiplayer game in the entire history of online multiplayer games. Sure, you had to fire the rocket launcher at zero range before you died, but those few milliseconds make little difference, and the bottom line is the same; you killed a better player than you.
  • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 11/06/2007, -8/+27Suicide attacks are always the last resort of a defeated enemy.
    • killakan, on 11/06/2007, -4/+14No, it isn't. Defeated enemies may use suicide attacks, but do not always use them and, more importantly, suicide attacks are not exclusively perpetrated by defeated enemies.

      All one has to do is look at the history of terrorism to see that.
    • sgtpppr, on 11/06/2007, -3/+6That second sentence may have torn open a rift in space/time. You sound like a college history 101 teacher trying to fill up 50 minutes with 10 minutes of material.
    • slantyeyed, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1try telling that to the sorry schmucks who die in suicide attacks. ask them who was really defeated.
  • Suricou, on 11/06/2007, -5/+12This reminds me of a UT2K4 mod I created that equips the hellbender and scorp with a toggleable 'nitro' mode. When enabled the vehicle goes at a quite unsafe speed, and will explode with considerable force when destroyed. With some practice its a powerful weapon for taking out groups of opponents, but its real power comes in taking one for the team - kamikaze runs at nodes or cores. It also has a 'car bomb' option, leaving the explosive on a timer and escaping on foot before it blows.
  • TheCosmicFool, on 11/06/2007, -5/+10Unreal 2K4: The Redeemer.
    • rayraym0fucka, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3ut99
    • geekee, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3Why is this modded down? I've seen people use the redeemer in a suicide attack against the enemy core once the shields drop. You do a lot of damage, but kill yourself in the process.
  • diggB, on 11/06/2007, -6/+18I suck at Halo 3. Really, really bad. But I still fail see how this suicide bomber strategy will work. The trouble with fighting more experienced players is that they typically kill you long, long before you've had a chance to even get near them to stick them (especially in wide open maps like SandTrap).
    • HotSauce750, on 11/06/2007, -0/+24I don't think this was exactly a Halo 3 strategy article.
    • killakan, on 11/06/2007, -1/+17It is not a strategy to win. It is a strategy to punish the winner. "If I am going to lose, I am going to take you with me and lower your stats."
    • elint6, on 11/06/2007, -0/+18offtopic but HALO 3 maps suck
      • crawf061, on 11/06/2007, -0/+9They get old really really fast. Snowbound makes me hate Halo 3.

        I do miss the maps in Halo 2.
        • AbsurdParadox, on 11/06/2007, -0/+5Everyone misses Halo 2 maps. They were so much better. Ivory Tower... Beaver Creek... LOCKOUT :( Those were the days.
          • tektalk, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1Wait, why can't you just pop in halo 2 and play it right now?
        • joegibes, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2Battle Creek, Derelict, Chill Out, or FREAKING BLOOD GULCH?!?!?

          Halo: Combat Evolved is better than you will ever be.
    • PookaMan, on 11/06/2007, -1/+0everyone loved the halo maps....they were based on weapon control. it made it fun to get weapon control and to try to take it back. they ruined it in halo 3 with respawning power weapons.
  • xplayman, on 11/06/2007, -19/+6This story is retarded.
  • Sharky35, on 11/10/2007, -28/+3Or the whiney bitch who wrote this article just plain old sucks at video games and has to act like a tool to get kills.
    Oh, and stating that he now understands suicide bombers.... guess wired will let anyone write for them.
    Me: a good father, 2 kids, Halo 3 player, and not a whiny bitch.
    • fungule, on 11/09/2007, -3/+4father of the year? doubtful
    • objectcode, on 11/09/2007, -1/+7looks like one of his victims reads digg
    • sgtpppr, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4I can guess your collection too: Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, and 37 versions of Madden. Xbox...bringing the bud light drinking, NASCAR watching populace a great multimedia experience.
      • Sharky35, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Nope,
        and nope.
        Don't drink beer, not into NASCAR more of a 1/4 mile kinda guy. (I own a very fast mustang gt) 12.23 at track last week
        HATE sports in video game form, HUGE waste of my time. Current games: Ace Combat 6, Halo 3, Orange Box, and COD4MW.

        So piss off just because your father beats you with his willy.
    • thesonofdarwin, on 11/09/2007, -1/+2Why does your comment sound more whiny than the article? Perhaps because you are trying too hard to rationalize your whiny bitchiness. The article writer accepts it and uses it to his advantage. It's ok, we'll assume good father, 2 kids, and the being a Halo 3 player is an honest statement. Otherwise, you lack your badges of uber impressiveness.
      • Sharky35, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1The writer of the article says: i suck at halo because i'm a father, so I have to resort to suicide to get kills, and now I understand the plight of the oppressed in the middle east?= whiney bitch
  • SomeImagination, on 11/05/2007, -13/+3/me waits for Jack Thompson
  • plizard, on 11/05/2007, -12/+4yeah but does he get 17 virgins?
    • ByteGuerilla, on 11/05/2007, -1/+3In Halo you get 117.
    • legendxx, on 11/06/2007, -1/+3wow check your facts before you try to be funny
  • evyrew, on 11/05/2007, -12/+2Yea, this is nothing new, and it didn't originate with halo. It's unfortunate that the author would draw a comparison to a game, and real life tragedy... shame on him.

    Most games allow you to pull the pin on a grenade and run around with it... it makes an effective "dead man switch." Kinda funny to watch it happen

  • reuscel, on 11/06/2007, -3/+13When I first picked this game up, I was amazed that some of the covenant soldiers would use this very tactic during the single-player campaign. I was blown away by Bungie's inclusion of this in the game, knowing how much controversy it would ignite.

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the covenant in the game are an intergalactic group of religious zealots bent on dominating the universe. Well done, Bungie.
    • Merick, on 11/06/2007, -1/+8I suppose infested terrans in Starcraft amazed you too? Or any of the other dozens of suicide units in other games?
      • Devotia, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3A rush of goblin sappers still amazes me.
      • zzz@tkz, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2The thing is that they are not purely suicidal, it is one of their options, and an awesomely funny one.
    • legendxx, on 11/06/2007, -0/+11good to know that arab's have produced a generation of sensitive, small-balled, softies.
      Seriously, spend your time whining about something else than a game.
  • Jorge777, on 11/05/2007, -2/+3I use this tactic a lot myself after getting frustrated with how much of a crapshoot the melees are in this game. There are plenty of times though where I'm lucky enough to stick a guy and still find my way around him after. This all goes out the window when a shotgun involved, if I have it or he does, one of us is toast trying to go for the easy kamikaze kill

    Those are the easiest kills for me, the second easiest are the guys who try to camp in Construct with the energy sword and REFUSE to switch to another weapon in the middle of combat even though I'm making it plainly obvious I won't let them near me unless I have a shotgun then I go for the Bulltrue
    • itsripitsrip, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1there's no shotgun on construct.
  • guitarsandcars, on 11/05/2007, -14/+2How does this make front page?
    • BinaryFragger, on 11/05/2007, -0/+8Maybe people digging the story had something to do with it...
  • SkittlesUSA, on 11/06/2007, -7/+8"...low-stakes videogame"
    Buried as inaccurate!
  • BuddyDoQ, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4I used to do this in Action Quake2/Half-Life. The nades in those mods were very powerful, and hard to see being held in the players hands. Run around with the pin pulled after you've been shot up real good, bleed to death or get shot, and when the suckers come over to claim your dropped weapons and ammo.... ahhh good times. /almost 10 years ago
  • Mithrander, on 11/06/2007, -2/+21I remember doing this in Goldeneye on 64. Only we only used grenades and we called it 'hugs'.
    • objectcode, on 11/06/2007, -1/+6remote bombs were better, you could explode them instantly using a combination of keys
    • fumar, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2I preferred throwing them on an opponent and using HIM as a suicide bomber.
    • coviecarbine, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1I, admittedly, was young at the time but my tactic was to always proximity mine the entrances and camp in the corner of a room.
    • joegibes, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1This technique has been around since the first grenade was ever put into a game.
  • wafflzRgood, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1If you read the comments in the article you can clearly see his victims comprise most of the commenters (at least they talk and type like those young teens he's talking about).
  • bluezombie, on 11/10/2007, -1/+70His point wasn't that his strategy was novel. Here he was, playing a game, when BAM an analogy slapped him upside the head. The analogy being that if he, in his comfy lifestyle, could make the mental leap from sportsman-like competition to suicide bomber -- even just inside a game -- what could happen to someone who is convinced they are truly in desperate and hopeless circumstances? His personal epiphany showed him that what he had previously considered a gaping and uncrossable psychological chasm was actually neither as wide nor as deep as he had once believed.
    • killakan, on 11/06/2007, -8/+0But, the analogy is false.
    • NJank, on 11/06/2007, -8/+2except the horrible analogy misses the point where there is actual loss involved, and that that potential loss creates the chasm, and that no one would expect there to be any effort required to cross that chasm in a game.
  • killakan, on 11/05/2007, -15/+3Buried as inaccurate. This is a false analogy. The author is not using a terrorist mindset nor is he behaving like a terrorist. He is closest to a kamikaze pilot.

    Kamikaze pilots were sacrificing their lives because of their honor system by being used as living guidance systems.
    Suicide bombers and terrorists are rarely engaged in a firefight at the time of their attack and often their primary targets are not aggressors but rather non-combatants.

    In both instances, both sides will be permanently removed, but neither the author nor his opponenet will be permanently removed from Halo3.

    The author is actually punishing the winner by adding an external cost to the victory. He is spoiling the victory, not acting like a terrorist and not acting like a Kamikaze.

    Check out the story of the Tea Master and the Ronin. The biggest difference is that the author's opponents can not tell he is going to trade his death for their. If they did, they would use a different tactic to prevent the author from killing them.
    • killakan, on 11/06/2007, -5/+1You can bury me all you want, but it will not change the fact that the author's goals, actions, the effects of those actions, and even targets are different than those groups he mentions.
    • ako2, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3terrorists aren't removed, they are rewarded by going to the next level: heaven. Where they are rewarded even more with lots of virgins.
    • wafflzRgood, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3Mr. Killakan, please shut up
    • mightyzug, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2retard.
  • poet, on 11/05/2007, -13/+3The guy that wrote this article is clearly a noob and his opinions are deemed unworthy by eleetist standards.
  • Hetman, on 11/05/2007, -11/+4I hate when people resort to these tactics. I also hate when someone who is ***** jumps right into a ghost or wraith and drives around aimlessly trying to get one kill.
    • objectcode, on 11/06/2007, -0/+6did your score drop from these suicide bombings?
    • DCstewieG, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4I have to wonder if you, like the opponent in the article, bunny hop around the whole time. I hate when people resort to those tactics.
    • ronaldinho, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2well you see a lot of these people in life too, ruining things for everyone and trying to steal from people's hard work and abilities......it's just there, deal with it
  • tuxidomasx, on 11/10/2007, -0/+13i'm not sure this works well on experienced players. it doesnt take long to kill someone in halo 3, even with the weak guns (unless you just have bad aim) and if you're close enough to stick me with a grenade at point blank range where i have no chance of dodging, then i'm close enough to melee you before you finish the motion.

    furthermore, if you're running AT me, i'll run backwards and shoot you. so its not like you'll get much closer unless i want you to.
    • diggB, on 11/05/2007, -0/+4Exactly.
    • floatingpoints, on 11/06/2007, -1/+3Nah, it works perfectly.

      The grenade is tossed before you have a chance to melee.
    • joegibes, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1...then I'll just get better at throwing grenades.
  • treizedun, on 11/10/2007, -1/+13Goes along with "jihad jeeping" in Battlefield.
    • Hartley1942, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Exactly. Effective. Can be fun. But Suicidal.
  • digmc, on 11/06/2007, -8/+7I whole heartedly agree with the author of the article. This is exactly why I have no interest in the online gaming experience anymore. Way back when Bizzard release Diablo, I use to enjoy playing with other players. Then the cheating started, from duplicating items, or the dreaded invisibility hack, that allowed players with enough points to warp to the final level, clear it out of items and then leave, or worse yet, wait until another player died and then kill Diablo, thus ending the game and the dead player back at level one with none of his hard earned items from the previous character.

    I will never play online games again... I hope the gaming industry is listening to this guy, give me quality single player games, not everyone enjoys the online experience.
    • diggB, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5You could, for instance, form a group of close friends and restrict on-line play with them. Just like the ole' Halo LAN party, but without lugging around a bunch of equipment. Also, try the campaign co-op mode if you want something a bit different. Nothing beats going through the campaign with your best buddies killing Brutes. That way, you're not competing against your friends, but working with them (you could turn campaign scoring on, but to each his own).
    • lanzemurdok, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2i feel bad that you'll never enjoy something as great as team fortress 2.
    • mightyzug, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1pretty much hit it on the head. sick of gettin rocked by 6 year olds screamin obscenities at me over live :)
    • xsonny, on 11/13/2007, -0/+0Plenty of good single player games.....dunno why people be bitching. Go buy a Wii.
  • ph3wl, on 11/06/2007, -10/+5I almost always do this to the guy with the shotgun who is reaping kills or the guy with the Energy Hammer - sword.
    Comparing this to real suicide bombers is entirely insane... that is like comparing playing poker with real money vs playing with fake/play money.
    • sgtpppr, on 11/06/2007, -1/+6That analogy may have actually hurt your argument.
  • 3drage, on 11/06/2007, -2/+9People with no lives who spend every waking day trying to make vs. gameplay miserable for everyone around them are the thorn in a social gamer's side. I had a friend that would lose one single game, then dedicate their life for a block of time to win. It removed the fun from the gaming atmosphere, made everyone around him uncomfortable, and we would quickly stop playing the game of his obsession.
    • thewindfish, on 11/06/2007, -3/+2You're a vagina.
    • domokunt, on 11/06/2007, -0/+3
      @thewindfish
      most random comment of the day award
      • xsonny, on 11/13/2007, -0/+0Why didnt you just reply to that comment?
    • xsonny, on 11/13/2007, -0/+0"then dedicate their life for a block of time to win". They only want to win for a block of time? What about the other times outside the block...do they want to lose?
      Introduce your friend to this thing that grows from the earth....ususaly green, has red hairs, white THC crystals.
  • need4speed, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2Want suicide bombing, try day of defeat 1.6.. if you do your suicide bombing correctly, you can take out the whole opposing team with 1 grenade.. now, that's some elite suicide bombing and you'll end up on top of the scoring sheet!
    • joegibes, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1How?
      Running into spawn with the pin pulled?
  • killakan, on 11/09/2007, -16/+2Oh, and another big gaping hole in the article:

    Does his behavior gain his desired result? Do the other players stop killing him? Do they stop playing against him?

    No, it doesn't gain his result.

    In the real world, the goal is to win the battle and the war. Suicide attacks work to advance that cause by denying the enemy of troops and supplies. Suicide terror attacks work to destroy support for the enemy government and cause a withdrawal from combat or a submission of the people.

    What is the goal in Halo? To have the highest stats. The author's stats do not go up and all he does is bring down the stats of his opponent. He is a spoilsport, that is all.
    • fcukbush, on 11/06/2007, -0/+9You obviously didn't read the article properly. he clearly said his goal wasn't to improve his stats even if that is the intended aim of the game, His is the impoverished in the stat sense, no way of making any real difference. He said his goal is to kill people, By any means, Even if that means losing his life in the process.
    • aelias, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5Besides that, you're wrong. EXP is cumulative, only game-specific rankings would be affected, and he obviously doesn't care. He may not make major, but his stats ARE going up.
    • wafflzRgood, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4Mr. Killakan, please shut up
    • mightyzug, on 11/05/2007, -1/+3oh, and you're still a retard. stfu. nobody cares.
    • bakasora, on 11/12/2007, -0/+0You dont understand the whole point of the article
  • nallelcm, on 11/09/2007, -8/+3I would prefer if you were on my team, just quit... or at least don't run in and give the other team points.... thanks for screwing over your team there buddy
  • funkytaco, on 11/05/2007, -10/+5lulz @ WIRED n00b
  • ValleyBoy, on 11/05/2007, -1/+0I might just buy HALO so I can pick up this annoying assault technique.

    (But probably not. Video games are just reactive data entry... kind of like a cash register.)
    • xsonny, on 11/13/2007, -0/+0You fail at life, love and the pursuit of happiness.
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