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- CyKiller, on 10/10/2007, -10/+52Its not lame, its called rules man and those who read and accepted the terms of usage should have known this. You all knew what you were getting into which is why the glitch was a simple proof of concept (for the demo to boot from DVD with unmodded box not 23k shares). I am just glad that MS did not go the extra mile like they did with their own Bungie Halo 3 beta, where there was no warning but permanent bans immediately. I say take this as a warning fellaz, and for goodness sake stay under the radar.
- dark1587, on 10/10/2007, -2/+29*ahem*
http://majornelson.com/archive/2007/09/06/xbox-live-bans-and-you.aspx
"I’ve seen a few stories circulating today about a huge Xbox LIVE banning related to the COD4 beta. I went and chatted with the ban hammer folks, and confirmed what I suspected: We did NOT ban tens of thousands of folks yesterday as some are reporting. As many of you know we do sometimes have to take action against accounts and consoles that violate the Xbox LIVE Terms of Use. Although we’re really impressed with the excitement around the Call of Duty 4 multiplayer beta, I do want to take this moment to point out that that the steps I’ve been reading about that some people have been trying to take to get in on the beta without their own token could very well violate our Terms of Use." - CyKiller, on 10/10/2007, -3/+26Before you play the BETA - there is a term of use notation. I don't care if you do not read it, if you accept it you are accepting that no matter the details you will not violate their policy. Don't be an ass, this goes with any piece of software not OP, no matter the mistake. We all know why it happened, the users got a little out of hand with sharing the beta, and on the test servers it cause severe lag, glitch hunters (those games where only 1 person has a good ping) which is always possible in BETA's, and tons of people out of the region (US only beta). So be for real making those comments, and if you are in that batch of 24h bans, be happy it isn't permanent and admit you have paid for your mistake in the result.
- guess88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20this just in... 23k people see the sun for the first time in years.
- cavie2002, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21in other words the next 24 hours will be known as 18 and older only day
- hokeywebb22, on 10/10/2007, -4/+20Thats like saying if you forget to lock your door then if someone wants to steal stuff from you we should let them go free because it's your fault.
- staticneuron, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18This is a sense of entitlement that confuses me. If you notice a car door is unlocked in the parking lot of a mall does that give you the right to go into there car and take everything there? Someone leaves their house door open makes it ok for you to go inside and reside there ?
Some gamers have a very flawed sense of ethics. - JustinHopewell, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14Whether this was a legitimate story or not, its appalling to me the greed and utter lack of courtesy from some of the comments stating things like, "Just because you ***** mess up on your ***** code doesn't mean I should have to pay for your *****-up." and "Why should the user have to pay for their mistake?"
Let's say there was no violation of the TOU. You knew that what you were doing was exploiting a flaw in the system. The whole point of a beta isn't just so you get a free game for a little while, its there to test the servers and the coding, and fix further issues. There's a reason they allowed only so many people in (which was an extraordinarily large amount for a beta!).
And to the guy who said its too harsh of a punishment: A one-day ban for doing something you knew was wrong? What's wrong with you? Do I even need to elaborate on this?
Microsoft is a private enterprise, not a government. They reserve the right to do whatever they want to your account provided its kosher with what you agreed to when you purchased the account.
-justin - Ajajadude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Don't you have some algebra homework you should be doing, little boy?
This is a lesson in life: do something you shouldn't do, even if that proverbial door is left wide open for you to do it, still means you shouldn't do it. These people took advantage of a screw up, broke the rules, and got slapped on the wrist.
By your logic, it's ok for people to hack computers or drop spyware/malware/etc onto your computer because some lines of code give them the opportunity. I bet you scream like a little girl if you ever find that kind of stuff on your computer, don't ya? - EPH99, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Wish every day on Xbox live was 18 and older day. Hell, I'd settle for IQ of 18 and over day(s).
- Dested, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Is that an ad in the middle of your comment?
- coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I've been on a few offical betas on various platforms. The racist, foul mouthed 13 year olds are there too. They're everywhere.
- DCB360, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5I'm a Beta pirate as well.
It's very hard to resist when you get a message from a friend that says, "Hey dude I can get you into the Beta for free!" I just followed the instructions and continued the chain. - coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5On the other hand, I know plenty of people who have gotten into betas in a not so TOS friendly manner with reporting bugs and getting plenty of testing time in as their main goal while official beta testers sit in the forums and whine about not getting free stuff in addition to the beta. It kinda goes both ways. The Warhawk beta had a way to get in without being picked and I knew plenty of people who were just pissed because they'd been part of the PSU for years and some dumbasses that don't even know what a beta is about were randomly picked that had just joined up.
- SSCrow, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5They are raising the level cap tomorrow in the Beta.
I am excited. - TremorX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Um... *****' a?
- asurroca, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Boo ***** hoo. So a bunch of losers cheated to get into the beta and they (allegedly) got banned for a day as a slap on the wrist.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Hitting submit twice was a bad idea.
- yoinkdigg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Well then I guess your just a dumbass.
- mikeyeah, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6Good. I wish they would have been permanent bans. That would have put a smile on my face because the majority of people doing this are most likely the racist, foul-mouthed 13yr olds on Live that I can't stand listening to anyway.
- uptown, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Oh yeah? Well I received a telegraph from Captain Johnson that I should obey my thirst so I'm sending recon to go retrieve some Sprite.
- inactive, on 02/25/2009, -0/+2can i get an amen?
- FutureGuy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3I don't know of any game network that won't ban you if you violate the terms of use. try doing something on WoW that is agaist their terms of use, if caught you would be lucky to get a warning else you will get the boot.
- darkever, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2buried for not being true.
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Betas and demos are _not_ the same thing. A beta is a test version of a program released for the purposes of discovering bugs. A demo is a functionality-restricted version of the program released for the purpose of 'try before you buy' promotion.
- Forklore, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Sorry, but I don't like businesses treating their customers like criminals; ever!
1) If even half of those other people liked the game they might buy it....not to mention they might find a flaw in the game
2) They should have known what the server limitations were and kept new players from joining when the max was reached
3) Why is this company getting free testing?!?!? - CyKiller, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What doesn't make any sense, you giving out the beta or them complaining about others breaking the rules? It is in the Term of Use, but all of you know right from wrong. Its the consequence you are questioning over your actions, and yes this equates to more advertisement but at what cost?? These are test, to find glitches, bugs, bandwidth need, etc... If they cannot generate these results because we have 23K invalid users it does not help at all, it actually destroys their process. It becomes less accurate, more expensive, and time consuming. So no this ***** does not help beyond giving it inaccurate results and a bad PR for bad implementation of a beta (crashing because of overload). In the end I can Clary see you understand the usage beyond your key - which is why it was so secretive in the first pace ya know, lol, but that is so lame you pretending not to know.
- rowlodge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1i thought about giving the code out myself to online friends but truthfully didnt know if i was violating any rules. it really makes no sense because all demos are "betas" and could only benefit the makers with more advertisement for their games, even the halo 3 beta.
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Here's a tip: don't violate the Terms of Service. It's not as though people are getting perma-banned for discovering a secret room in one of the maps. You used an exploit to get into a beta test. As part of that exploit, you accessed beta servers without the owner's permission. Here in the UK at least, that is a _crime_.
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Remind me again what exactly those users taking advantage of the exploit stole? Some time with a beta game? Some bandwidth? MS should have sucked it up, closed the hole, and called it a day. Temporarily banning their more enthusiastic customers from all online play as punishment is just bad PR.
- FutureGuy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1you might not want to own anything cause every game network would ban you if you violate TOU.
- Myonosken, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Because it's illegal? Because it's piracy? Because it's against the TOU?
- daridave, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I disagree. I'm not saying they're all innocent, but the scenario of "OK, I'm going to go to my friend's place and show him the COD4 demo I got the right to test", which is very probably, does not deserve a 24 hours ban. I'm sorry, but there's nothing wrong with that, you guys may call it an "exploit", but the way it's acheived, it can be done in a totally innocent way, so it's just stupid to punish the act. It's THEIR MISTAKE, THEIR FLAW, stop punishing people who didn't know they were doing something wrong. Now, Iet's keep the thing real, of course they're some people who knew it was wrong, but then again... their bad, their problem, they should punish themselves.
- DCB360, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2Thank you Microsoft for giving me this wonderful opportunity to finally experience life....so how many days until teh Halo 3 comes out?
- chakl, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually its a one day ban learn to read.
- RabidFurby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Thats what users trying to play the system get. You play them, they stop you from playing online. Don't do stupid ***** and you won't be temporarily banned from XBL.
I laugh at you. - WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1you're
: P - chaoticprout, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6buried as innaccurate, majornelson.com no one's getting banned
- mikeyeah, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1@ethanmccarthy
Thanks for proving the point from my earlier comment. - allenmwnc1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Not like a little girl, more like an angry German kid.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3At first I thought it said it was a lifetime ban. I thought that would be a ***** thing for Microsoft to do when the original problem was with their software. What the hell do they expect, everyone to just sit around and not try a beta if they have a method of getting in - legitimately or not? I'm not saying that the people who got in without permission are in the right, but they probably should have figured out their system beforehand.
24 hour ban isn't that bad though. - PA42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Too harsh!!!! I can't think of a lighter punishment
- plastek, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1So I'm guessing you've never downloaded an mp3.
- hurtsdonut, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0heres another tip dumb ass...nobody reads the TOU and nobody gives a ***** about the TOU. We pay money to get on and have a good time not worry about whether every little thing we do is ok with Mommy Microsoft...That being said, if mommy wants to ground us for being naughty i really dont have a problem with that either.
- rabiddachshund, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I can almost understand a 24 hour ban. You do something illegal, you get punished.
However, when it's not the consumer's fault, why should the consumer be punished?
No, it's not like leaving your car door unlocked and expecting it to be there when you get back, it's more like a jammed dollar bill acceptor on a vending machine. Get some tweezers and take the dollar.
Besides, it's a beta. It's not like they're stealing the entire game. - DCB360, on 04/11/2008, -3/+3I wasn't even considering buying the game until someone told me how to get in without a token. Now that I might be kicked out tomorrow, I will be pissed at the creators of this game. If their servers can handle the load, then I say "Why not?"
- plastek, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I personally think it is lame. I cheated the system to get the Warhawk beta, and then when the actual game was released to the public, I bought it. There is a pretty good chance I wouldn't have gotten the game considering some of the reviews it received had I not already played it. I can understand the developers might not have the resources to cover everyone, and their brother while the game is still in development, but banning people for trying? Come on!
- CyKiller, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1First of, you have to buy the product to become a consumer and this is a beta, free of charge.
1) K, if half of those people did buy the game that is great but at what cost is the question. We are in testing with this beta, and when it is not presenting accurate results as it should we have an unfinished product. There is a difference in submitting technical difficulties to Infinity Ward and creating them. This creates bad publicity for the game when people state the demo ran choppy etc... so this is actually a bad experience which you can see if you read a lot of COD4 rants.
2) Uhh, at 10K a day the addition of adding in new people is hard enough. Try adding while synchronously registering the new beta users - its easier said than done. And their cap was originally at 87K, but it was open even more to all from their website failure during sign-up.
3) You might want to rephrase that question...nothing in life is free, nor is the beta for that matter for them to host if that is what your asking. Either way - the new 23K users is actually a set back than a form of help. Stress testing maybe but other than that..... - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Seems fair. If you're going to knowing cheat the system, you deserve to have your account banned for a period of time.
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