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- sageerrant, on 11/16/2009, -3/+237Xboxen.
- GrooveXP, on 11/16/2009, -15/+222As a console modder i partially agree with you. Yes if we spend that much on something we should be able to do as we please with it but if you read the terms and conditions you will see that technically, like with software, you don't really own the device at all. All you really own is a license that says you are allowed to use this device provided you don't modify or reverse engineer it. What we do is illegal, plain and simple. Any modder or person who has their console modded should realize that. If they are caught there will be repercussions for breaking the terms of the license. I'm not saying don't mod your consoles though, thats totally up to you however if you do and get banned you have no right to complain.
- dolemite01, on 11/16/2009, -12/+214I will first state that I did mod my console and played some pirated games, judge me how you will on that, etc.
Here's a few things that scratch my head, and I'd love to see some end results.
#1. Banned users were xbox live users, I don't know what percent were gold/silver but I subscribed, paid 8.65 a month after tax and bought lots of things off live, I tallied it up last night, over 250 / yr I spent on xbla/addons.
Did that give me any right to mod my console/pirate some games, hell no. But I'm wondering how much revenue MS has gambled on banning all those consoles, that is live subs per year vs re buying a new console.
#2. Corrupting HDD and disable features. Random saves were disabled and streaming has been disabled. I can't disable avi/xvid/divx anymore from a network drive, it tells me it requires xbox live, and I'm not alone. Also if you installed a game to the HD that has been disabled, and random saves were corrupted.
Why? What was the point, now if I do buy a console I can't cheap out and buy an arcade and put my HDD into the new console. Again, I'd like to see the argument on #1, about the live revenue loss.
#3. Did they not consider if they banned all these people and they truly believe people will go out and buy a new console and be 'legit' why wouldn't they go PS3. That's what I'm doing. If I have to be legit, and I do, I am going PS3. 299 and I get a Hard Drive, it does Blu Ray and streams more files than 360, also I just can't pinpoint a 360 Exclusive anymore that makes it worth mentioning.
#4. Due to the ban I can now pirate games and play them before street if I want, I just lose online. That's what many people feel now, I never played a pirated game online (I own retail of Madden 10, GTA IV, Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, Borderlands), the only pirated games I owned were Dragon Age/ Assassins Creed I, and the last few Guitar Heroes all of which I didn't play online.
So yes, I get why they did it, but they've given me a real wake up call in other ways, I dont need the 360, and I didn't need Live, MS has just cut me off even though I never got around to do it. Now PSN will get my money for arcade games, etc.
I regret losing a 200 dollar console over pirated maybe 5 games, but I knew the risk when I took it. - smacksaw, on 11/16/2009, -13/+186I dunno, fair is fair. If we have a right to modify something we own, they have a right to modify something they own. That said, I wonder what Microsoft would have to say if someone came up with their own servers only for modded consoles?
IMO, the users and MS should be able to do whatever they want if they own it. - gnash, on 11/16/2009, -2/+141Hello multiple scumbags who will sell their XBoxes without disclosing their crippled status.
- tastybbq, on 11/16/2009, -4/+112Is that how you spell it? I always though it was Xboxes.
- sgxyay, on 11/16/2009, -1/+107sig,
It's the EULA for the Xbox Live service. The xbox still works after its been banned (they don't remote detonate the console), you just can't get on Xbox Live, which clearly states modded Xboxes will be banned.
It's like trying to bring your own booze and dancers into a strip club. You'll get kicked out. You can still have fun with said items...just not in that venue. - filltev, on 11/16/2009, -3/+100Anyone want an xbox in good condition at a nice price
- XTomTomX, on 11/16/2009, -33/+107I dumped my Xbox last month after the 4th "RROD" and the second time they sent me an Xbox which would not play
normally purchased DVDs due to DRM. ( I assume it was an Xbox from Asia or something.)
Bought a slim PS3.
Blu-Ray, built in HD, free wireless controller
Fan makes almost NO sound
Power consumption is less
Free Games Network
USB support for printers, cameras keyboard, mouse
Network access
Wireless Network card
Better processor
and now PSN has Netflicks?
Goodbye Micro$soft gaming. - PDiddy21, on 11/16/2009, -5/+77I agree. MS is probably losing more money banning pirates... And to the hypocrites.... Please.... We all have pirated in our lifetimes... Either music, software, movies, or games.... You bitch about this... but then run around saying ***** RIAA
- garryw, on 11/16/2009, -2/+68I'd like to make a purchase, I dont use live.
- hughesj919, on 11/16/2009, -1/+63I assume you mean "backups".
- jdames1980, on 11/16/2009, -3/+65Yep, the more I learn about business, the more I learn that license agreements rule the world.
- slangmann, on 11/16/2009, -4/+65hell yeah just picked one up today...an 360 for half the price that i can play backups on? yes thank you!
- diggB, on 11/16/2009, -0/+58Site's slow for me. The article is short enough that I'll just drop the text here.
Banned Xboxs flood online marketplaces
13/11/2009
Hundreds of Xboxs have appeared on online marketplaces such as eBay and Craigslist in the wake of the mass Xbox live bans.
Over the past week Microsoft has banned nearly one million users from the online gaming service after finding that they had modified their consoles to play pirated games.
Since the ban is connected to the console rather than a gamer's online account, many modified Xboxs have appeared online being sold by banned users.
eBay has issued a warning to users on its website to be wary of buying consoles in the wake of Microsoft's move.
In a post on the website's guide section, it said: 'If you are looking to buy an Xbox 360 on eBay in the near future, ask the seller if it has been banned from Xbox Live and be sure to pay by PayPal in case they lie. If you do get a banned console, start a PayPal claim.'
Microsoft has said that all bans are permanent to the console and no affected units will be permitted back onto Xbox Live on any account. - reyoo30309, on 11/16/2009, -9/+63They would say its illegal because they would be losing money.
- XTomTomX, on 11/16/2009, -7/+53Look, I was a loyal Xbox fan from the launch date.
I bought the Xbox when it first came out, dropping $399.00 of hard-earned-cash.
The damn thing broke 4 freeking times, and I had to buy extra all the HD, Wifi, wireless card, controller, AND Pay for the network,
AND I could not play DVDs half the time, AND the damn thing was loud as hell and could heat my whole house.
Basically, I'm tired of all the Microsoft BS.
Had no issues with my PS3, and all I ever need comes right out of the box, and the Network is excellent!
Less little 8 year old brats screaming the N and F word as well.
Sorry, but if Microsoft had a consistent experience, didn't nickel and dime me to death, and hell, didn't BREAK,
I'd have stayed with them. - davidrools, on 11/16/2009, -1/+46wait wait wait...you forgot to mention you'd need a real friend. that's a serious obstacle there, mate.
- kelpdip, on 11/16/2009, -2/+46Those slick Japanese bastards finally figured out how to take over Hawaii.
- s73v3r, on 11/16/2009, -2/+41So they're backed up in the cloud, right?
- candorny, on 11/16/2009, -1/+37yeah...backups.
- wolfmann, on 11/16/2009, -4/+40I think you got this wrong -- you own your xbox; but license it's software/OS. That's why XBMC for the original Xbox is still awesome and still legal. You can do whatever you want with the hardware, but if the software gets modified or bypassed then they have a right to deny you.
- dolemite01, on 11/16/2009, -2/+36Far from true, bear in mind my MS own words that the ban was limited to consoles, cheaters would have accounts banned and MS never once states any accounts were banned for cheating. Stop correlating modded consoles to cheaters, anyone who modded to cheat in online fps on a console has severe issues, severe issues. It's one thing to download a aim bot for PC, its another to go out and intentionally mod your console with hardware with the only intent to cheat in an online game.
- caramelzappa, on 11/16/2009, -1/+35Illegal or not, XBOX live is a service Microsoft provides. They have the right to deny that service to anyone, and it's pretty fair to say that most people who modify their consoles do it to pirate games. Microsoft has every right to refuse service to people who steal their games. If they bricked the xbox's so they couldn't be used at all, that would be ***** up. As it is though, Microsoft is in the right.
- kingmanic, on 11/16/2009, -1/+33You OWN the machine but you licence the software on it. You OWN the machine but MS OWNS the live network. So you can mod to your hearts content so long as you don't care about access to Live.
- candorny, on 11/16/2009, -4/+34Good day to you sir. I represent Nintendo of America and must request that you cease and desist in calling multiple units of the XBox gaming console Xboxii. While Apple may have one "i" before a word locked down tightly, my clients at Nintendo have a firm copyright on using two "i"s at the end of a word. I am sure it was an oversight n your part and that you would be happy to comply with this take down notice. If not, you can expect further correspondence.
- WoollyMittens, on 11/16/2009, -3/+33And then you woke up.
- bussche, on 11/16/2009, -5/+34Or PS3 will be....
- Moralogic, on 11/16/2009, -2/+30Yeah, it is turning out that most people doing illegal things, are normally some of the most dedicated users who actually give the more money than the average user. They would also rather go else where before going legit, which results in even more financial loss.
- bussche, on 11/16/2009, -4/+32Modding a Wii is 100 times easier that a 360. You don't even need to crack the case, all you need is a sd card.
- runeasgar, on 11/16/2009, -2/+29This thread is ironytastic!
Jailbreaking threads make their way to the top of Digg all the time, and people feel completely justified in it.. and yet.. here we are. - anonymousmedic, on 11/16/2009, -14/+38Do you hear that? That sorrowful melody? It's the sound of the world's smallest violin playing.
If you don't play by the rules, expect to be banned. - kingmanic, on 11/16/2009, -2/+26The Slim doesn't have a reputation for overheating that I'm aware of. Not the ~50% rate of failure some of the 360's had.
- mnemy, on 11/16/2009, -11/+35They would say it's illegal because it would be. They made the system. Knowing MS, their online interface is probably proprietary. Therefore, if you create anything that uses their interface, you're ripping off their work without permission.
I don't know if I explained that well. Imagine that you created your own home-built wireless protocol instead of using one of the standard protocols. So basically you're filling the air with messages that no other device can interpret. Then you copyright that protocol. Then you start making devices that use the protocol. Then someone figures out your protocol and makes their own device that uses it. That's stealing, because you did not give him permission to use the protocol that you created.
That's basically the case that MS would use, and they would win. - eljitto, on 11/16/2009, -2/+26cool story, brah
- o0adam0o, on 11/16/2009, -1/+24Backups? I just download them.
- kinseyincanada, on 11/17/2009, -1/+23MY CONSOLE IS BETTER THAN YOUR CONSOLE
- DCstewieG, on 11/16/2009, -4/+26There are plenty of legitimate reasons to jailbreak. The main reason to mod the 360 is to play pirated games.
- TitsMageee, on 11/16/2009, -7/+281) Disconnect your hacked console from the internet.
2) Pawn your ***** on ebay.
3) Take that money and invest it in Sony or Nintendo. - bussche, on 11/16/2009, -2/+22Fanboy? I have a xbox 360 that got banned and am considering switching sides if I'm gonna go legit because ps3 has a blu ray player and free online play. Fanboy indeed.
- anonymousmedic, on 11/16/2009, -3/+22You've never read the eULA for XBL service, or the X-Box, have you?
You don't own a right to XBL service. You're renting under the guise that you obey their rules. In addition, one of those rules are you don't access XBL with a modded box. - kelliillek, on 11/16/2009, -7/+26I wish I could digg you twice for that.
- timishue, on 11/16/2009, -3/+22Stealing a DVD which cost the producers money to print, package, and ship. Is NOT the same as Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V
Like those retarded anti-piracy commercials: "You wouldn't steal a CAR... DON'T PIRATE MOVIES!"
suck my balls.
let me know when you've figured out how to download a Toyota
And just because someone is willing to download a movie because it is free doesn't mean they would have purchased it otherwise. - CalcProgrammer1, on 11/16/2009, -9/+28The PS3 is the better media machine, the Xbox is the better game console. Personally I think the Xbox 360 has the better game library and that's why I stick with it, if I want media I'll use a PC.
- BluZebra, on 11/16/2009, -15/+34I find it so cute that all these people think that they're justified in modding their consoles.
Go ahead and mod them. But you are breaking Microsoft's terms of use for Xbox Live. They are 1000000% justified to ban you.
You took the risks, and you suffered the consequences. Nothing more.
Xbox Live isn't a right. You aren't entitled to XBL as soon as you buy your console. - GeordieRacer, on 11/16/2009, -4/+23I'll be buying one
- andyb747, on 11/16/2009, -4/+22Breasteses
- 3leggedHorse, on 11/16/2009, -2/+20PSN does not cost a penny either.
- dhughes, on 11/16/2009, -1/+18 I'm a big believer in consumer rights but I have to agree with Microsoft on this one, you should be able to modify your Xbox360 all you want but MS can choose who they want on their network, XboxLive! just as much as you decide you uses your network at home.
- Wickedlegacy, on 11/16/2009, -3/+20Sony are probably rubbing their hands together right now.
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