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Au Contraire: 10 Things That Suck About Grand Theft Auto IV

infoaddict.com — With a Metacritic score of 99%, one might think it impossible to find any faults with a game that has been equated with everything from Citizen Kane to The Godfather. Wrong.

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  • rlray216, on 05/15/2008, -36/+8Heh - I'm one of those rare people who think The Godfather was overrated and doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Citizen Kane, much less Grand Theft Auto IV. Please don't throw tomatoes at me for that one.
  • killbert24, on 05/15/2008, -3/+103This article makes some good points, especially the one about how money has no real use in the game except for stupid stuff like subway tolls or fast food.
    Give the option to purchase houses, furniture, electronics, and more-- then the game would be perfect.
    • lordtyros, on 05/15/2008, -1/+28People knocked San Andreas for being to RPG-like, but I personally thought it was a step forward for GTA. As long as the level ups were optional, they should have kept them in the game. No real estate and no army are very serious problems for me about GTA4. Hopefully they don't try to nickel and dime gamers to put them back in the game via DLC.
      • BearinG, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately, if these features would be available for DLC, i would probably get them.. not to encourage the micro transaction.. but i think this was a main feature of the game that should've been kept. Specially the stats.. I mean its all done automatically anyway just by doing actions (gym, driving etc..) so its not very complicated.

        As mentioned, houses, furniture, electronics would've been nice... I mean i have a pool table in my condo but i can't play with it.. i mean come on.. also businesses.. where are businesses ?
    • unicronband, on 05/15/2008, -0/+11Maybe they're taking the Oblivion Horse Armor approach, letting you spend real money to buy ***** to spend your GTA money on?
    • SirSquishie, on 05/15/2008, -11/+4While highly unlikely, Rockstar could make this up to us by allowing us to by DLC with our in-game cash. I'm about 65 to 75% through the game and I'm pushing $800,000. Maybe that's equal to 800MS points. and they could combat the cheat codes by disabling this for anyone who has used it or something. IDK, it'd be hard to do, and I'm sure it'll never happen. But it'd make a lot of gamers happy.
      • Zzone, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2Since when was selling video games about making people happy?
        • SirSquishie, on 05/16/2008, -2/+1A good gaming company does like to make its gamers happy. Companies like Rockstar and Bungie are pretty good at keeping their gaming community quite happy actually.
      • Kmap, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Your a moron!
    • ats314, on 05/15/2008, -0/+19I hadn't realized yet that you couldn't buy real estate in this game. That makes me angry!
    • Thorpe, on 05/15/2008, -1/+11WTF is up with the housing in this game? I finished the story and one island doesn't even have a safehouse. Just a pain in the ass that I have to get my ass to a taxi just to get to a place I can save.
      • 8bitflu, on 05/15/2008, -1/+5Autosave after every mission, you don't HAVE to go back there, this isn't Dead Rising.
        • Thorpe, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1I realise that but it won't autosave for my percentage build-up with friends, completing some side tasks etc...
        • phort99, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1It should autosave after going out with friends, too. You only really need to go back if all you've done is stunt jumps and shooting pigeons and such, and if you're doing that you surely have a bit of free time to go and save... still an annoyance.
      • winmywii, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2The game auto saves after missions.
      • dood, on 05/15/2008, -0/+5I'm not yet to the point where I even have a second safehouse, but I'm definitely annoyed at having to go to the safehouse to manually save. Yeah, it auto saves after missions, but not after fancy jumps or earning a bunch of money by murdering a bunch of people. (I'm early on enough that the money is somewhat useful).
    • bluezinc, on 05/15/2008, -0/+23Why are there only 3 clothing stores in the whole game? There's the ***** one, the lame LL Bean one, and the men's warehouse. THAT'S IT. Oh, they have more clothing stores in the game, they're everywhere, you just can't go into them at all. In fact, you can only really go into like 5 buildings in the whole game when not on a mission.

      Don't get me wrong, love the ***** out of that game, but some stuff makes me think Rockstar got lazy.
      • popfrogs, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2The PS3 and Xbox freezing issues also make me think the devs got lazy. I imagine they were way over budget and the whole thing with EA wanting to buy them out probably made them rush it to production.
        I agree with the places to enter problem, you should be able to go into a ton of stores. As it stands there are only maybe 10.
    • Hords, on 05/15/2008, -4/+7I'm not far in the game, but the one thing that is annoying to me is how easy it is to get away from the police. It is too unrealistic. I tried over and over to get in really big trouble that I couldn't get out of, but would usually be stunned that I got away (while killing every pedestrian/cop in sight) and have to start all over again.
      I think you should be able to get away (not that easily), but when you do they should still be looking for you. If later you pass a cop without changing cars/clothes there should be a chance that they recognize you and start the chase again.
      • winmywii, on 05/15/2008, -0/+13I actually like the fact that it is easier to get away. I got so tired of not being able to lose the cops in previous games that I never finished 40% of the game. I am already passed 50% int his game and plan to keep playing it.
        • BearinG, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Its nice when you are on a mission.. but it sucks when you are actually trying to start a war against law enforcement. Its just not as hard..

          I think its a annoying also that the cops come after you as soon as you are driving a car drunk.. not trying to encourage DUI or anything, but I wish there was more intelligent stuff.. I'm happy that if you just lightly slide against a police car, they won't go after you.. but if you ram them they will..

          I wish it was kind of similar when hitting other cars.. sometimes going full speed.. i hit 3 cars, flip 2, and the cop at the light just looks at me not doing anything.
    • brundlefly76, on 05/15/2008, -3/+3Yeah I don't understand why people get so into GTA - there really is very little to the gameplay, all the boring cutscenes almost remind me of playing Wing Commander. The city rendering is fantastic, but beyond that - eh.
    • ummagummas08, on 05/16/2008, -2/+2Am I the only person that's been flustered with the driving? It's absolute *****. Barely tap A and the car spins the ***** out. There's no way to make a turn and keep speed at the same time! Sure it's more realistic, but, like most people, I play video games so I don't have to deal with annoyances like physics.

      And yea, the money thing is pissing me off too. I'm starting to think I got ripped off with this game - it just seems unoriginal and regurgitated.
  • geodescent, on 05/15/2008, -3/+82"In the universe of GTA, the American Dream apparently entails moving from one pigsty apartment to another pigsty apartment, albeit in a slightly better part of town. There is zero sense of social advancement or self-sufficiency, and all the way till the end of the game you find yourself working as nothing more than slave-labor for those who are enjoying the American Dream."
    I thought that was pretty damn accurate actually.
    • Alexandru25, on 05/15/2008, -3/+15Yep, Niko is a illegal he can't really buy a house.
    • forgiste, on 05/15/2008, -2/+6Isn't that how life is?
    • protocolor, on 05/15/2008, -2/+11rockstar has also stated numerous times that they deliberately strayed away from the stereotypical rags-to-riches storyline and went with something they felt was a lot more realistic.
      • popfrogs, on 05/15/2008, -1/+15Right, because when I play games, I want it to reflect my real life where I live in a crap apartment no matter how hard I work and how much money I save up. GG Rockstar.
        • Alexandru25, on 05/15/2008, -7/+3They went after the realistic approach on this one. I guess people will always complain about something.
    • staticneuron, on 05/15/2008, -3/+6Umm, you don't get a nice place but roman buys on for you to share and in a certain mission you can "recieve" a charcters home. I have 2 pigsty's and two classy places and I am on the last mission.

      And what kind of "social advancement " are you expecting from this game? Slave labor? I think this guy is really scraping the bottom of the barrel for those.
      • Alexandru25, on 05/15/2008, -4/+9I really wanted Niko to have to go to the DHS office and apply for a Permanent Resident Card, than get fingerprinted, and wait for 3 years until they call you back. Than he would get a Work Permit, and a temporary Resident Alien Card and wait a few more years to become a full resident. It would be really cool to have to do the whole "immigration" process. After 6 years of in game time than he can get a legitimate job and maybe buy a house and settle down. Even better maybe you can marry one of the chicks you are dating so it can speed up the process. /sarcasm

        Niko is ***** illegal immigrant, he cannot buy ***** legally, the ***** FED is on his ass. Not only is he a illegal immigrant but he would never qualify for residence status due to his shady "war" crime ***** he took part in back home.
      • staticneuron, on 05/15/2008, -3/+5This game is one of the most ambitious titles made. The amount of content and material in the game is astounding and yet.......... you want more.

        Maybe its because I know the amount of work and effort it takes into making something of this nature but you are asking something that is far off. Do you remember fables promises?
        • Millsee, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1"This game is one of the most ambitious titles made. The amount of content and material in the game is astounding and yet.......... you want more."

          I agree with that. But there are a lot of fun bits removed. Also, in the hype I heard that there would be buildings that can be destroyed, your phone can take pictures (but you can't save them), loads of random euphoria stories that to me seem really far fetched (I've seen some funny things but it's not THAT brilliant), The radio stations are very biased towards rap, hip hop and don't have quite the charm of the other gtas.

          I'll be honest though - as a fan of the complete series - it rocks. It has faults, but look at the jump between III and Vice City... looking forward to the extra content.
    • katanaswordfish, on 05/15/2008, -0/+12I kind of got the sense from this ENTIRE game, that they were playing on the fact that the American Dream mentality is total ***** and from MANY MANY people, they come to America for a "better" life and end up a lower class slave for the duration of their life. Wasn't that one of the main statements that the game was making when showing how Roman ended up after coming to the USA. This game pits the IDEAL of the American Dream against the reality of the American Dream.
  • sUGArDawg, on 05/15/2008, -18/+29Not that great of a list...the only gripe I have is along the same lines as Zero Punctuation...those ***** super-trees!
    • Calcularius, on 05/15/2008, -0/+18I blew up a truck running into a tennis net.
    • karan1003, on 05/15/2008, -0/+12I don't understand why people think trees are weaker than lightpoles. They aren't. Trees are made of solid wood, and are rooted into the ground six feet deep. Lightpoles are screwed into a cement base and are hollow.
      If the screws don't shear on your way through then the metal will buckle. Either way, you'll get through.
      • Ruger11mcrdpi, on 05/15/2008, -1/+8Saplings in GTA 4 stop you cold. In reality I run over saplings like toothpicks when I go offroading. Of corse a 20 year old Oak is gonna stop a car, it's just they made a 2 year old sapling just as strong.
    • juniorb, on 05/16/2008, -1/+2Sorry, it's fackeen super-trees.
  • internetcoward, on 05/15/2008, -3/+13Yeah the online play is pretty weak. Unless you;re an achievement whore, I can't see playing for very long. I got bored of it already. The friends system is so annoying. Every time I hop into a car someone needs a ride somewhere.
    • theseaweedking, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3It's a bit convoluted, but you can go to the options menu on your cellphone and put it on sleep mode, and no more friends calling for rides.
      • internetcoward, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1but then you can't progress through the actual story, right?
    • Neo829, on 05/15/2008, -2/+2Team Mafiya Work is perhaps one of the most enjoyable multiplayer modes I've played in any online game, and I've been playing online since Doom.
  • btutor, on 05/15/2008, -8/+12I've finished the storyline and have almost worn out the multiplayer.
    I agree with all these points.
    It is still 10/10 for the graphics and physics alone. Especially as compared to other games on the market right now.
    • mcnasby, on 05/15/2008, -4/+8Hmm.. Last time I fell out of a helicopter I didn't just smack the ground, bounce up five feet, and succeed in dying in *one piece*... Yep, those physics are right on!
      • Fentekreel, on 05/15/2008, -0/+5Well seems like you did and made it back from the hospital.
      • sleepwalkers, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3Alright, next time you fall out of a chopper in the game, we'll make sure your character is dismembered and it'll be game over. You'll have to start anew, of course, considering your old character is now in pieces.
    • DupontNumber24, on 05/15/2008, -3/+4The graphics? Really?
      • cJw314, on 05/15/2008, -2/+5That's what I was thinking; the models are pitiful and there's no excuse for them nowadays. The textures are good, but... graphics would not be adding to a 10 review in my mind.
    • Katana314, on 05/15/2008, -3/+4Woawoawoawoa. Graphics and physics??? Hate to break it to you, but I've seen better in Oblivion. People going ragdoll then getting back up? Check. Shinies everywhere in a highly open world? Check. GTA4's physics aren't bad, but that sort of thing doesn't instantly get you 10/10.
  • navster15, on 05/15/2008, -4/+30It's weird, I completely agree with everyone of the author's points but I am totally in love with the game. It just goes to show you that whatever Rockstar did right with this game, they REALLY did it right.
  • ryansmith18, on 05/15/2008, -1/+16I have to disagree with just one thing on this list; everything else was spot-on, especially the part about money having no value.

    The thing is, multiplayer isn't near as bad as the author makes it sound. And when he complains about it, he's complaining more about the people he's playing with and the options they chose rather than actual multiplayer mechanics.

    In general, I think they did a great job with multiplayer, other than the fact that my only reward for ranking up is new clothing.
    • Fentekreel, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4I'd have to agree. The multi player can suck with the wrong people but the actual game mechanics are true to the game and highlight some aspects of the game that could be much improved upon in the future. HE was also dead wrong on the multi player being the first Official one offered by rockstar. I don't think he ever played the original games.....on the pc before graphics was what made a game.
  • richmomz, on 05/15/2008, -1/+6I agree with some of the points made in this article (except the bit about multiplayer - yes there may have been mp mods for previous versions for but the vast majority of us this is a huge leap forward and a LOT of fun); there are definately areas for improvement.

    Still, its like criticizing a Picasso for a minor flaw on the frame. GTA4 isn't perfect, but it comes about as close as any game I've ever seen (and I've been gaming since the Atari 2600 was cutting edge).

    So yes, GTA4 is an incredible game - with room for improvement.
    • Katana314, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2I must insist that the story, or lack thereof, was the big splat of unsightly paint on this "Picasso". Sort of makes me wonder who paid the reviewers into their Story comments.
    • minestrone11, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1I agree. Reading these negative comments on GTAIV just makes me excited with how they can improve in the next installment. Oh, and Grand Theft Auto: Yakuza would be fantastic, in my opinion.
  • hugznotthugzkid, on 05/15/2008, -5/+39He left out that one rare annoyance where every time you jack a vehicle all of a sudden that same care you're driving is everywhere.
    • Coven, on 05/15/2008, -0/+26That always happened in every GTA3+. If you're in a ***** car, you'll see nothing but ***** cars. SUV? Its gas guzzlers everywhere. so on and so forth.
      • Jwoey, on 05/15/2008, -0/+10which makes it a bitch and a half to find a damn motorcycle.
        • bitterbug, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2I love the bikes too. They're a hell of a lot more fun to ride than the cars are to drive. Usually you can find ones that are statically placed, so you can return to find them any time you need one. (Like the empty cop car just down the street from the first apartment. Makes doing vigilante missions a piece of cake.)
      • spawnfree, on 05/15/2008, -0/+6nice to see the next generation hardware pulling its weight.

        /same ***** better graphics.
    • Digglu, on 05/15/2008, -0/+13Yeah but at least if you trash your nice sports car, there are 5 more nearby to choose from.
    • ventralnet, on 05/15/2008, -2/+8Saves on sprite loading to do that Speeds the game up
      • nipterink, on 05/15/2008, -4/+17not only that, but i think it's also a funny little reference to the fact that whenever you get a new car in real life you start noticing more of that same car when you drive around.
        • ventralnet, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2ha ya
        • DangerMouse9, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2From what I remember, Rockstar intentionally added this "feature" for that very reason since GTA 3.
    • gryphon50, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2even if it's a forklift!!
      • Coven, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Jack yourself a garbage truck and see what happens :)
    • mike17032, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3Thats a good thing! With the hell I went through to get the Infernus, I now have 2 at every safe house.
    • ericrous, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Yeah, but when you get a good car, it becomes easy as hell to get more from then on out. I have about 4 Turismo's (the game's Ferarri model) parked at safehouses. Anytime I need a new one, I just get in one and drive around until I see another one. Bingo--two Ferarri's for the price of one!
      • Tebixan, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2A block west of the first apartment you get in Algonquin, there is a show room full of Turismos, so no need to use up valuable safehouse parking space with those things!
    • Tebixan, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1I kind of like it. I can drive around in my favorite car, and when it invetiably gets destroyed due to my reckless disregard for other motorists, I can find a replacement quickly.

      How much would it suck to finally get the Infernus, accidentally blow it up, then never find another one.
    • dbsmoker, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2It is probably to help with loading, but that happens in real life too! You get a new car you start to notice how many of em are on the road. :)
    • brownhound, on 05/18/2008, -2/+0I wondered if they do that on purpose as a joke. You know how you buy a car in real-life and all of the sudden you notice *your* car everywhere? That's my theory anyway.
  • varmit, on 05/15/2008, -4/+4I agree with the story line, lack of being able to use the money to purchase stuff. I haven't really come across any phantom cars, but phantom benches and other stuff that would stop my car when driving on the side walk or though the park at all the wrong times. Chasing someone or getting away from the cops and bam! Car stops and bench appears.
  • nynety, on 05/15/2008, -3/+29Perfect GTA game: A city as detailed and immersive as GTA IV's Liberty City and as atmospheric as Vice City. Characters as memorable as Lance Vance and a feeling of actually moving up in the world as the game progresses a la Vice City i.e. the ability to buy safe houses, manage assets etc. In addition, a main story as engrossing as GTA IV's. GTA IV had the best missions, imo so more of those, please. Also, a soundtrack as phenomenal as Vice City's. And all the side-missions and tidbits and exploration aspects from San Andreas.
    As awesome as GTA IV is, I'm already looking forward to the next one as I feel there's lots of scope for improvement. And I'm not even talking about technical stuff like the cover system or the vehicle physics, but the exploration part. I can understand why they took out stuff like jet packs, planes, working out, eating etc but why chop off the ambulance missions or the crazy random mini-games like jumping your bicycle through hoops and all the other stuff that the article mentioned? After finishing the main story, there is almost zero incentive to actually explore the city. I think they might have sacrificed some of the fun parts of previous games in the name of realism. I hope in the next game, they stop trying to become more like a movie and leave that to Mafia 2.
    • Alexandru25, on 05/15/2008, -3/+7I actually like these characters and background more than Vice City. I think it has something to do with me being an Eastern European immigrant, some of Nikos self dialog and opinions are the perfect mindset. Also a lot of the views and attitudes of the supporting characters are very interesting. I think the game does a perfect job of(much better than the last few GTAs) of social commentary.
  • mentallyinhell, on 05/15/2008, -0/+11The phantom cars thing is the only thing that really bugs me.
    • UGM2099, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3Do you mean in multiplayer sometimes you go to enter a car and it disappears? That drives me nuts.... also ive had occasions where the enemy's colored dot doesn't render and I get killed trying to figure out if I should shoot the guy or not.
      • dnite, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Was the person crouching? Your dot and name disappear when you crouch.
      • twentytortures, on 05/19/2008, -0/+2Did you read the article?
  • psibladeZX, on 05/15/2008, -12/+5I agree with everything on this list. My biggest gripe is that you cant buy property (american dream?)... One thing the author left out is that the game is so SHORT. I've only been playing somewhere around 20 minutes a day since it came out and I'm already 27% done with the game? That sucks. They really need to make improvements on the sequel.
    The cover/uncover thing pisses the hell out of me. They need to take a cue from Gears of War... that game was all about covering.
    You never really found out much about the main character and he didnt really evolve. One good thing about Niko was that he wasnt as big of a tool as CJ from san andreas. That guy was such a wuss. They need Tommy Vercetti style character.
    The map was too small, but we knew that already.
    They shouldnt have taken out the RPG elements like working out, building stamina, etc.
    Overall, wait until it goes on bargain bin for 20 bucks... It's not worth 60 bucks. San Andreas, now that was a game WELL WORTH 50 bucks.
    • asspants, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1no, Kill.Switch was all about covering.
    • mike17032, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3You clearly dont spend enough time getting side tracked and killing hookers. I make almost no mission progress because its just so much fun to see people fly up over the hood of my car.
  • Psythik, on 05/15/2008, -0/+16The multiplayer is fun and defiantly has potential; but at least a few improvements need to be made to make it perfect:

    Stop giving the players so much power. I hate having to shout "Press A, damnit" every time I get into a lobby. Remove the "ready" feature all together and replace it with a CoD 4-style countdown system. Also, let allow players to join after a ranked match has started, to keep the teams balanced or make them bigger.

    Fix the interface. There's too much to say about this, so let me just say that it's frustrating having to load the single player every time I get disconnected from a game. Keep the multiplayer interface separate from the single player. I should be able to choose which mode I want to go to before the game loads.

    Add more game modes, and mix things up every once and awhile. Bungie introduces something new practically every week, like Grifball weekend or Rocket Race. R* should be doing this as well. Just because your multiplayer is complete and public doesn't mean you should stop adding to it.

    While we're on the topic of multiplayer modes, fix the ones you already have. Cops and Crooks is the biggest violator -- for one, it should be extended to four rounds. Also, One for All (the mode without a boss) is way too easy for the crooks. Make it so that at least 3-4 crooks need to escape in order to win.

    I could go on all day, but if I made this comment too long, no one would read it.
    • nynety, on 05/15/2008, -1/+8Definitely, not "defiantly".
      • mizatt, on 05/15/2008, -1/+4Meet the spellcheck generation. If there's no squiggly red underline it must be right
      • Ayavaron, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1Perhaps he means it defies the expectations that it lacks potential. Consider the possibilities before correcting people.
    • Tebixan, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2He posts this detailed, thoughtful comment with some great suggestions, and all the Digg users want to talk about is his spelling.

      lol, this place sucks sometimes
    • mugicha, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1I agree 100 percent about the interface. It ***** sucks. The multiplayer itself is really fun, but why do I have to be dumped back into the single player campaign (with the loading times) whenever I leave a server. Also, there needs to be a lobby or something where you can see games in progress and evaluate which one you want to join. Without this, no one knows whats going on and everyone seems to bail as soon as the the the first game is over.
    • Enochrewt, on 05/23/2008, -0/+0I pretty much agree with everything you've said as well. People complain about Halo matchmaking not giving enough options, but your average game is too stupid to handle setting up a balanced, fun game on their own. How many times have you had to play melee only on the entire map with far respawns or something similar? It's frustrating.

      And who diggs up the tool whose only point is that a word was spell wrong? The people that do that are dumber than the guy that pointed it out.
  • burketo, on 05/15/2008, -0/+34i think GTA IV is fantastic. one thing i would love though is if rockstar would think of changing the premise once in a while.... like now that they have this beautiful city, why don't they bang out a P.I. game or a cop game based there. it wouldn't take that long to make if they have the entire environment and engine already designed so they could focus all of their effort on making the story line and characters awesome.

    either that or make the main character for the next game a crooked cop or some guy who's family was killed and he's out for revenge.... anything but another small time crook climbing the ladder.
    • underthewether, on 05/15/2008, -0/+5well said sir. we need more creativity and less regurgitation.
    • surfacewound, on 05/15/2008, -0/+8I've long wanted another Carmageddon, and as I played GTA IV I realized how easily you could integrate a Carmageddon game into Liberty City. Basically all it needs is a couple dozen sadistically-modified cars, a timer, and three times the pedestrians.
      • dlllb, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4Sadly I dont think another Carmageddon game would be allowed anywhere near the public. :(
        • IHaveIssues, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Maybe as a mod.
        • surfacewound, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1What happened to it? I think it was owned by Interplay last I recall, did the rights get bought up by some company that would never create a sequel or sell it off?

          Content-wise I don't see why Rockstar wouldn't be willing to make a Carmageddon game, it couldn't possibly be more violent than the Manhunt series.
        • bitterbug, on 05/16/2008, -1/+1Carmageddon not allowed near the public? Ha!
          Death Race 2000 is being remade with Jason Statham. If you think they won't make another Carmageddon to release alongside the movie you're smoking crack. It might not be called Carmageddon, but it will likely be the same product. After all, they were just DR2000 with a name of their own.
    • ats314, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4Very similar to an idea my friends (ok friend...ok myself) were kickin around the other day. GTA sandbox style MMORPG with a choice of either LAW or CRIME. Law players can become police, attorney, etc, work there way up to FEDS, CIA, Judges, Politicians. Crime players become gangstas, hitmen, bookies, Mob bosses, etc. Then have a basic Alliance vs Horde style gameplay.
      • soneill34, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0I'm pretty sure APB is going to be getting the GTA MMORPG treatement when its released as GTA: Online
      • manitoba98xp, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Attorney? I'm not sure that would be terribly exciting as an MMORPG. (Can you be Jack Thompson?)
        • ats314, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3After a short stint playing Eve, I've realized people will do just about anything in an MMORPG.
    • Calcularius, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Ugh YES! I can not believe there is only ONE character (not very likable at that) to play in what is supposed to be this enormous environment. You should be able to pick any character in that game and play them. I would love to be a cop or a prostitute for a change!
      If I had not won the $50 game crazy card at work, I would not have paid $65 for it.

      • orientis, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4Forget being a prostitute in the game my friend, I will make you a prostitute in the game of life, yes? Come to my villa.
    • ScottyDelicious, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1Absolutely brilliant!
  • KevinMcD, on 05/15/2008, -2/+20http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:MA0RvFIo2KkJ: ...
  • dinobot, on 05/15/2008, -2/+12I agree with several points - don't get me wrong, I like GTA IV a lot, but I just didn't get the emotional attachment and fulfillment I got as playing as CJ in San Andreas, to go from a thug to sorta legit business person and the whole vendetta against those that betrayed you and killed your mom was something that totally got me into San Andreas - In GTA IV, at the very end, you're still only a thug...
    • Wetzilla, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2For me it was the complete opposite. I just couldn't get into playing CJ in San Andreas, I didn't like the character at all. However in GTA 4, I actually did feel some connection to Niko, and actually cared about what happened to him. CJ was a gang member, he chose that life. Niko, on the other hand, was kind of forced into it, starting with his being in a horrific war back in his home country, and then getting involved with vlad and the loan sharks via his cousin the second he got to America.
      • dinobot, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2You have some valid points, but still sad that he was unable to climb up the ladder - you know, if he had taken over one of the mob families and fight the others until he's the leader of the commission (kinda like the territory wars I enjoyed in SA)

        Well, and CJ was involved in this mess the moment he arrived from the airport when he got framed by Tenpenny and Pulaski, and he had actually left the gang life (hence why everyone had label him as a busta')
        • Wetzilla, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1I think part of the point was that he didn't want to climb the ladder. He didn't want a position of power in the underworld, he didn't actually want to be a part of it at all. He just got sucked into a way of life he was trying to escape by coming to America. I think that is one of the main messages of the story, that simply changing one thing about your life isn't going to take it in a new direction, you have to work to make it go in the direction you want it to, which he tries to do at the end, but his previous choices end up causing this to fail. Granted I have not quite finished the game, I'm on the last mission, so the ending may very well change this.
    • ericrous, on 05/16/2008, -2/+1I hated San Andreas. This white boy just couldn't get into playing as a black gangsta. I feel much more at home as a white guy. Sorry if that makes me a racist, but it's true.
  • RedRoostered, on 05/15/2008, -3/+54As the site seems to be down now, here is the article:


    With game reviewers still mopping up their collective ejaculate, you'd think GTA IV was the greatest game of all time. The amount of hyperbole showered on Rockstar's game was unparalleled, with nearly every critic unleashing a string of adjectives that cast GTA IV as the second coming of video gaming Christ. Once the initial euphoria of the graphics wears off, you soon realize that GTA IV doesn't evolve its inherent gameplay beyond that which has come before, and in a lot of respects, significantly less.

    With a Metacritic score of 99%, one might think it impossible to find any faults with a game that has been equated with everything from Citizen Kane to The Godfather. Wrong.

    1. Money Has No Value
    This is my biggest beef with GTA IV: money has little value. You go on a hundred missions to earn cash...for what? More ammo? A new pair of shoes? I have $750,000 in my bank account and I live in a *****-hole. All the clothes I can buy were purchased in the early stages of the game. So what am I supposed to do with all this money? This is the American Dream? Where did the option to purchase real-estate go? The whole game is based on making money but the designers forgot one key element: you need something to spend money on, else your money is worthless. $5 hamburgers and an optional freeway toll just don't amount to very much.

    2. Multiplayer
    Multiplayer in a GTA game is nothing new if you've played previous PC versions and downloaded certain mods, but this is the first time it's been officially included by Rockstar, so you'd think they'd do it right. Instead, multiplayer feels like an afterthought, sporting a level-up system that takes forever to advance in ranks, all so you can unlock a few items of clothing.

    The Lobby system can take ages for a game to start, usually because all the stoners in the room forget to click Ready, or worse, bitch and moan about a specific game setting that usually leads to mutiny.

    There's no shortage of multiplayer game modes, which is great in theory, but I'd gladly take two well-balanced game modes over a multitude of half-assed, poorly designed ideas that find the majority of players running around maps searching for a freaking car. It's called Grand Theft Auto, not Grand Theft Pedestrian.

    A lot of the problems could easily be addressed by a Host who doesn't have his head up his ass, but most toggle settings that are detrimental to fun, usually forcing the majority of players to abandon a round in mid-stride out of sheer boredom. What GTA IV really needs are maps created specifically for multiplayer, something we'll undoubtedly be paying for in future DLC.

    3. Ponderous Story
    A lot of reviewers keep harping on the stellar, amazing, and unparalleled story, which makes me wonder if any of these guys actually watch movies or read books. The tale of Niko is nothing original, evidenced by hundreds of movies from the era of film noir, but what sets this apart from its cinematic cousins is the sheer ponderousness of the story. This is a plot that barely moves and keeps repeating itself over and over. As a character, Niko doesn't evolve and his actions have little impact on the game world, save for the ending, which is as empty as everything that preceded it.

    The writers of GTA IV make a rookie mistake: they tell me, they don't show me. Telling me Niko is searching for his moral compass is of no use, especially when none of the elements manifest in terms of gameplay, save for a few rudimentary decisions that are no more than, "Kill Mr. X or Kill Mr. Y."

    4. No Upwards Mobility
    The majority of critics claim that GTA IV is about the American Dream, an ethereal concept that means something different for everyone. In the universe of GTA, the American Dream apparently entails moving from one pigsty apartment to another pigsty apartment, albeit in a slightly better part of town. There is zero sense of social advancement or self-sufficiency, and all the way till the end of the game you find yourself working as nothing more than slave-labor for those who are enjoying the American Dream.

    5. A Step Back From Previous Versions
    While the graphics engine is an amazing achievement and deserving of the highest praise, every other aspect of GTA IV has devolved. It's as if the designers put 95% of their effort into creating a believable environment and used the last 5% for gameplay. Instead of mini-games involving taxi fares, ice-cream trucks, pizza delivery, ambulance driving, fire-fighting, territorial control, managing a gang...you get a boring round of pool, bowling and darts.

    6. Wonky Cover System
    It's great that GTA IV now has a cover system. It's not so great that it makes me want to punch my Xbox in the face. God forbid you attempt the cover system near several objects as you never know where you'll get attached. I've lost track of how many times I've been in cover mode, only to have the game refuse to fire my weapon for some inexplicable reason, forcing me to uncover and recover. It's annoying, frustrating and lacks polish.

    7. Dopey Mini-Games
    Billiards, bowling and darts, eh? Three boring mini-games that have little to no impact on anything. You can't even bet an opponent for some cash, which I guess doesn't matter because money has no value anyway. The designers could have exercised a little creativity by developing a little pick-up basketball game at the park, or skeet shooting, or dirt-bike racing. Hell, I'll take a little Frisbee tossing or miniature golf. Something original, for Pete's sake.

    8. Relationships Are Idiotic
    One new aspect to GTA is the concept of relationships. Unfortunately, it's rudimentary at best, bordering on sublimely retarded. All you have to do is call someone on your phone, pick them up, and head wherever you need to go. Once there, you do nothing that has any impact. As long as you don't total your car or inadvertently shoot your date in the face, they all seem to love you. In the end, relationships in GTA stand as a concept that was never developed. The designers should have taken some notes from The Sims and offered the player tangible options based on the environment the characters find themselves in.

    9. Clothing Interface
    I made a terrible mistake in the early part of the game: I purchased every bit of clothing I could find. I didn't realize that the clothing interface, which hasn't changed from previous versions, would continue to be a monumental example of crappy design. There is no organization to the clothes, no quick way to select a suit or casual attire, forcing the player to view every single item one-by-one, an act that redefines tedium and borders on torture.

    10. Phantom Traffic
    I don't know what else to call this, so I'm sticking with Phantom Traffic. Phantom Traffic has been around ever since GTA went 3D and it continues to bug the hell out of me. What is it? It's when you look down a stretch of road and don't see any cars. You turn around, look down another stretch, and still don't see any cars. So you turn back to your original viewpoint and suddenly there's a freaking traffic-jam, cars everywhere. I was hoping the next-gen version of GTA would expand the distance cars appear, but such is not the case. Ultimately, this means it's pointless to look around and see if any cops are around before stealing a car, as the second you turn your attention to the window, you have no idea what has suddenly materialized behind you.
    • AuldNic, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1thanks
    • modex, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I have to agree with the point about multiplayer. It's kind of secondary to the story mode, whereas in Halo 3 and Gears of War, the story mode was secondary to the multiplayer. The multiplayer isn't terrible, but I'd rather just play thru the story mode.
    • krustie, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Digg needs to start allowing the use of blockquotes. /offtopic
  • DickMasterson2, on 05/15/2008, -24/+1Number 11... everything about GTA blows donkey balls
  • rufus2, on 05/15/2008, -7/+2710 Things That Suck About Your Web Server
    1) It sucks.
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  • nickert0n, on 05/15/2008, -6/+10Thank God! I have been a GTA fan since GTA1 on the playstation with the dirt ass graphics but I loved it for the game play, I still play it. Ive played everyone since. Now being an orignal GTA Fan I was like wow everyone they release gets better and better, I ***** my pants in awe at San Andreas, skills for everything to develop, Work out, Jet packs, F16s, mansions, Teitorries, Gangs, Custom Whips, Heat seaking rocket launcher.
    I was excited for GTA4, now my roomate has it and I have been playing it religously and I have to agree and thank whoever posted that article.
    GTA4 was a ***** let down to anyone who isnt on the bandwagon of whats hot on digg.
    This articles explains my gripes with the game so there is no need to beat a dead horse.
    Im hoping thier next one they re-implement allot of what was good in San Andreas.
    • WatchDogX, on 05/16/2008, -1/+1I think 4 was just a demo of whats to come. Features purposely left out so they have something to do in the next one and the DLC
  • Zoxive, on 05/15/2008, -0/+26I want to drive a Semi truck WITH a trailer!
    • warispeace21, on 05/15/2008, -1/+5Play GTA 2.
      • winmywii, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I more fun playing GTA 2 than any game I have every played.
    • surfacewound, on 05/15/2008, -0/+10You can in GTA San Andreas.
    • loopis, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2play saints row
    • dood, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Haha. I spent a couple minutes trying to back a truck up to a trailer marked flammable. Man, that could've been so awesome!
    • Evolutuon, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Driver 3
  • mikefitz2, on 05/15/2008, -0/+9811. The camera, when driving, sits too low to the vehicle. I hate holding the right joystick up the entire time I'm driving because the camera is only five feet above the pavement.

    12. WHY does auto-aim position itself on pedestrians when I have three bad guys in clear view?

    13. Why make me drive across the entire map to re-do a mission I failed? Can't I simply begin the car chase/gun fight where it is supposed to begin rather than driving 30 miles to get there every time?
    • Remmiz, on 05/15/2008, -0/+22Spot on. The camera thing is annoying as hell. All the views are horrible
    • ProfessorSYM, on 05/15/2008, -17/+01. You obviously don't know how to control the perspective camera.

      2. Auto-aim is for chumps.

      3. Don't fail the missions the first time. If you do, call Roman or pay for a cab if you are far away.
    • CapitalIdea, on 05/15/2008, -0/+11I completely agree with you on the 11th point I hate having to hold the right stick in a certain position everytime i get in a car.
    • mikefitz2, on 05/15/2008, -3/+5ProfessorSYM ,

      1. You are incorrect, and I am not the only one with this problem.
      2. I agree. Then why even include it? More importantly, why make it the default method for aiming firearms?
      3. Clearly I am not as skilled as you are in the single player campaign, bravo/congrats.
    • Rndm_Tngnt, on 05/15/2008, -3/+1011. Press the back button.

      12. It's auto aim. It sucks.

      13. Because mid mission saves were apparently deemed to useful to players and made the game slightly less tedious.
      • bills534, on 05/15/2008, -0/+6yes the back button makes the camera further away but its at the exact same angle. so its still hard to see the area immediately ahead of the car. its been like this in the last several gta games, they really need to add in a option where you can adjust this a little bit.
        • cJw314, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2/agree.

          I switched to first person mode for driving - it's a completely different game.
      • kevyn, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Your 3 points are better than any of the ones in the original article. holding the thumb stick so I can actually see some of the road sucks
    • MrFisty, on 05/15/2008, -3/+414. Give me radar icons I can actually see. Even the names of the cars when you jack them are too small. Yes, yes 20 years of gaming has taken it's toll on my eyes, but come on, even on a big HD set I can't tell if a target marker is up, down or next to me on that damn radar.
    • tempurasama, on 05/16/2008, -1/+111. I only drive in first person, except on a bike. I find that in third person the camera doesn't stick close enough to the car to make any worthwhile driving experience. Plus, it seems Rockstar has tuned the driving for hte first person view, as this is the most realistic driving experience I've ever had in a game, save for sims like GT5.

      12. Don't use auto aim. It's more fun ot manual aim.

      13. yeah, this is pretty stupid.
    • fcbfan, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3you can always catch a cab it saves you the 30 mile drive
    • dbsmoker, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1I agree with 12 and 13. The auto-aim is a little too wild, and having to drive or even take a cab to restart a mission is lame. My other problem with auto-aim is that it's pretty hard to free-aim in the heat of battle because I always end up pulling the trigger the full amount accidentally making me aim at somebody else.

      As far as 11, I use the hood cam for serious driving.


  • tenspeedogbb, on 05/15/2008, -8/+6I definitely agree with this list, even though the game is a masterpiece. I was borderline depressed the first time I jacked a police car only to find out the my beloved Vigilante Missions were a thing of the past. And as for buying property, the addition of that to GTA: Vice City is what made it my favorite game in the series (that and Ray Liotta being a badass).
    • Hassassin, on 05/15/2008, -0/+7Maybe you should spend more time playing the game. You can still do vigilante work, once you learn how to access the police car's computer.
      • dood, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1You press LB to activate it, right? That's what it says when I get in a police car. Except, nothing seems to happen when I press LB. (Yeah, I've tried it whiled stopped.)
        Do I need to reach a certain point to "activate" these missions?
        • Hassassin, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1You have to do the Brucie mission where he asks you to find someone using the police computer database.
        • ericrous, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1You have to be stopped to use the computer. Can't use it while you're moving.
    • Rndm_Tngnt, on 05/15/2008, -0/+5Vigilante's been expanded. Stop the police care and press the LB. Check most wanted or crimes in progress.
    • admdrew, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2You can use the computers in police vehicles to do mini-missions that involve taking out criminals.
    • Gizza, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1I think Vice City is pretty much better than IV in every aspect.
  • Inohavehalos, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3hopefully, the flying car cheat still exists. That was my favorite
  • Satanael, on 05/15/2008, -2/+4Anyone else have all of their ***** weapons magically disappear right before a crucial mission? Only to re-appear when you turn the game off and back on?
    Also, they don't actually roll the game back when you replay a mission. I had to replay the first sniping mission, and I went to get into my car that was suddenly on fire due to the damage it received the first time I went to the mission. And upon arriving at the checkpoint the second time, I had to proceed to the roof to pick up... the gun I already had?? It's very deja-vu. They need a roll-back system when retrying missions, in my opinion.
    • mrjofo, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2it's less convenient, but I just reload the last saved game.
  • zerobackup, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Yes there are issues with the game, but it is still a stunning experience and a lot of fun. Every game, no matter how ground breaking and polished, will have some faults That doesn't make them bad games, it just means there is room for improvement
  • nafa228, on 05/15/2008, -12/+3I think your "phantom traffic" is a result of playing this game on Xbox 360. I also would like to say that if you're getting upset with a game to the point that you want to punch your 360... take a break. You can't expect any game to emulate life, if you want to play life walk out your front door don't sit on the couch.
    • DivisibleByZero, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3I've seen cars materialize right in front of me on the PS3. It's just one of those GTA things.

      I also like it how 75% of other cars on the road are always the same model as the one you're currently driving. Beat up old junker in the rich neighborhood? Everybody's got one. Find a parked porsche and round a corner...oh, look at that.
  • YellowSnowDemon, on 05/15/2008, -11/+12It makes me sad as a gamer that GTA IV dethroned OoT as the highest reviewed game ever.

    OoT was virtually perfect when it came out, this is getting better scores, and it has so many flaws!
    • techlyc, on 05/15/2008, -5/+2Deku stix 4 lyfe!!11
    • mlrigsby, on 05/15/2008, -1/+7Agreed. GTA IV is a great game, but it isn't even the best game on the Xbox360. And unlike Ocarina, which really revolutionized gaming (the lock-on camera is used so much that most people forget it was invented in OoT), GTA IV is merely a logical extension of GTA III and it's spin-offs.
    • xsquirrel378x, on 05/15/2008, -10/+5GTFO ocarina of time is by far THE most overrated game in history. 50 dollars says youre not over the age of 20
      • xsquirrel378x, on 05/15/2008, -2/+4zomg just looked at your profile. 18 year old chap. what a surprise!
      • mlrigsby, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Hooray for ad hominem arguments!!!
      • YellowSnowDemon, on 05/16/2008, -1/+1What does my age have to do with anything? I've forgotten more games than you've played.
        • xsquirrel378x, on 05/16/2008, -1/+1>What does my age have to do with anything?
          because N64 was probably your first game console and its your nostalgia just like everyone else your age that thinks OoT is teh supr coolest game evar!!!!!!!111

          >I've forgotten more games than you've played.
          lol sure you have. if youre a PC gamefag youre probably right. console wise lets see ive owned nes, sms, gb, genesis, gg, snes, tg16/cd, neo geo cd, N64, ps1, saturn, gbc, ngpc, dc, ps2, gba, ds, psp, ps3. probably somewhere in that order and have owned every major game on all and played roms for the rest. so basically STFU no you havent
        • YellowSnowDemon, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Mr. Squirrel, I own all of those, and a PC which I used to use for gaming. I got lucky, because my parents are gamers too.
    • Katana314, on 05/15/2008, -2/+1I think both are quite a bit overrated. OOT had a kind of lackluster difficulty curve, and there's not much you can do with the game once you've beaten it. Think of it this way: Is ANYONE still playing OOT? 10 years later, will anyone still play GTA4? You bet your ass they will.
      On the other hand, GTA4 is quite unpolished though it gives you a lot. Neither game is perfect because no game really CAN be perfect.
      • HolyChimp, on 05/16/2008, -0/+4I'm already bored of GTA4. I finished the story, did the car missions for brucie, did the assassinations... What's left?
      • mlrigsby, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3I replay OoT and LttP every year or two. Obviously people still play OoT, judging by the downloads on the VC and the popularity of the Wind Waker preorder bonus disk.
        I can't imagine playing GTA IV in one year, much less 10. Honestly, when's the last time you played GTA III? These games don't age well.
    • shalb, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1People still play OoT now. Hell, people still play Mario 1 and how old is that game? For me, when I play OoT or the original Mario, I remember why I loved the game so much. With GTA, I remember why I stopped playing. GTA 1 and 2 got boring after getting 4 stars 3 times. GTA: San Andreas was annoying as hell to do the missions (as well as giving me a headache trying to drive through all those windy roads). It's fun, I'll give it that, but progression through the story for GTA was too much work. Turning on the cheats for weapons and infinite ammo was all that made it fun, but even that doesn't last for too long. I suppose if you enjoy that, then yeah, 10 years later you'll still be playing GTA. But chances are it won't be 4; it'll be the latest version of it.
  • surfacewound, on 05/15/2008, -0/+39One small thing I really hate is how Niko refuses to run while he's on his cell phone. I lost count of how many times I completed a mission and was still being shot at, but I couldn't run away because Niko automatically dials his cell phone to make a completely worthless call about how it's done while walking around at a snail's pace like a retard. Other times I don't want to hang up because I don't want to miss any of the story.
    • DivisibleByZero, on 05/15/2008, -0/+11Yeah, but if you get hit by a car or walk over a slight bump in the road, he'll hang up the call, never allowing you to replay it. That guy needs some bluetooth.
      • mrjofo, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2It depends. I accidentally disconnected a call somehow and and went to the dial the guy again and it just repeated what was just said. Sorry, I dont recall the exact situation. I think it was a call that set up a mission.
    • martelo, on 05/15/2008, -0/+7I wish I had found out about this earlier in the game cause I had the same problem, but if this happens again you can hit down on the d-pad to skip through the conversation. If you have subtitles on it'll still show each line.
  • sgregory416, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2its an amazing game, probably the best I've ever played and I'm a huge gamer. although...i agree with every point made here with the addition of a pretty lame soundtrack, i was looking forward to the commercial skits, music and talk radio more than anything in this game but it just didn't deliver integrity 2.0 is awesome though. adding in tv was awesome but i think thats also a reason the whole radio was lacking. anyways, great game rockstar is an amazing company and i wait on edge for GTA 5
  • victimofkratina, on 05/15/2008, -9/+3more importantly, who would spend $60+ on a ***** video game?
    • bills534, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3what ***** world are you living it? $60 console games have been the standard for a few years now
    • ericrous, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1I can't believe people are still bitching about videogame prices. We were paying $50 for Atari 2600 games in the early 80's. When you adjust for inflation, they've gone WAY down over the years.
  • V3n0M, on 05/15/2008, -7/+1Why don't you go ahead and put sleep eat a hot dog walk?
    • uglybanana, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1Because do I come backwards and take awake vomit 2 cold cat runs!
  • ausfahrt, on 05/15/2008, -2/+511. The freezing has NOT been patched yet. The patch was for multiplayer.
    • RahSquared, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Yeah. Gotta agree with this flaw. Its my only huge disappointment with the game.
    • HolyChimp, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1The main cause of freezing was the game trying to connect to Gamespy servers and failing because they were overloaded, so it kinda fixed both.
      Some people may still have issues though.
  • mweflen, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1I agree with the gripes on money and real estate. But personally, my main gripe is the stupid "realistic" physics that dictate the way Niko moves. He is so ponderous and slow, and can't make a directional "cut" to save his life, to the point that I can't stand to be on foot in the game. Patch no. 2, please!
  • XHashmeerX, on 05/15/2008, -2/+3Next GTA is going to take place in Ventura City, I'm willing to bet a lot of money on it. Which listening in to all the radio and tv stations is like a fictional Las Vegas.

    I think you'll see what we liked about Vice City come back there such as owning property. Imagine running crooked a casino? Tons of great story opportunities there.
    • orientis, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Is that going to be 360 DLC or 'update' packs or entire new games or what? I keep hearing speculation but no-one seems to have a real answer.
    • walnutthewise, on 05/15/2008, -0/+8Which by plaing SA you would know IS a fictional Las Vegas
  • ysss, on 05/15/2008, -5/+7You guys sound like you want The Sims instead of a GTA game.
    Nobody bitched about pacman not having paddles to play pong with, right??
    • victimofkratina, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4pacman with an uzi, now thats something i would play.
  • drez24, on 05/15/2008, -13/+6Ooohh GTA 4 sucks! Look everyone I am going against the flow of everyone else! This article is full of knit picks at best and is negative for the sake of being negative. Buried.
    • mike17032, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2No one said it sucks junior, learn to ***** read.

      There are just some complaints about things that felt left the ***** out of GTA IV. And I agree 100%, I want to take over blocks, buy houses, fly planes, and have something decent to wear.
  • Konrad9, on 05/15/2008, -0/+12Did anyone else feel that Lazlo's skits in GTA3 were longer than Integrity 2.0, NPR, and WKTT combined?
    It sure felt like it to me.
  • iJae, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2I can't say that this game is perfect, it has it's problems. HOWEVER, in it's defense. It is an epic game. Somehow I still enjoyed the game ehough to put 30 hours into it already despite the wacky car camera angle, cell phone walks, and cross city travels due to stupid deaths.

    Otherwise, I'd say this game is better than San Andreas. The RPG elements were obnoxious and useless at best, I'm glad to see them go.
    • Alexandru25, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I agree about the RPG elements, I was not a big fan of them either. I think my two favorite GTAs are this one followed by Vice City. Vice City was freaking awesome due to the pulp/scarface storyline, but IV is a ***** masterpiece in my opinion. IV is by far one of the most realistic game storyline I have ever played in a videogame, there is no happy ending and the "American Dream" is really just working for assholes that got here before you.
    • winmywii, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2All I have to say is that a roided up CJ would kick Brucie's ass.
    • ericrous, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2Don't ***** with Brucie, man. Get's got some mad bullshark testosterone pumping through those guns, baby!
  • bigteebo, on 05/15/2008, -0/+5As someone who's loved GTA since version 1, I am a bit disappointed by GTA 4. San Andreas was totally packed with side missions and fun things to do besides the main missions. They all seem to have disappeared here. There's lots of places to climb up ladders to, but obviously they hid the pidgeons(hidden packages here) elsewhere. Strange. Side missions made SA(and vice/liberty city stories) a ton of fun. Please don't tell me that was sacrificed for graphics.

    I do enjoy multiplayer, most notably GTA race. Sadly, not all the vehicles in GTA 4 are not available(certain trucks, etc) in multiplayer. Also, we need a LOT more tracks. How about an all-the-way around LC track?(not free race or cannonball run tho).

    Also, multiplayer needs to handle sudden disconections better without booting you back to the single player, thus causing huge load times.
  • Alexandru25, on 05/15/2008, -3/+16I disagree with everybody on here about the depth of the storyline, its a ***** MASTERPIECE in my opinion
    ***spoilers**

    I am a Easter European immigrant and I think that Rockstar did a amazing job capturing the attitude of Eastern European immigrant attitude. I got ***** sick nostalgia playing this game.
    The complaint of not being able to buy stuff and living the "American Dream" is perfect because thats the point of the game. It's a tragedy, its a Shakespearean tragedy/revenge story not a "build yourself up from the bottom" epic like Vice City.
    The characters came here to get away from the corruption and violence of the old world only to be stuck in the same ***** corruption only coated in an American paintjob. The attitude of Roman is great, the "America is the land of gold paved streets with fast sports cars and bitches galore" is the attitude a lot of immigrants have. When they get here they realize there is no difference, the same evil assholes that ruined ***** back home ruin this place also.
    I think that the racist xenophobia of the established immigrants like the Italians towards the new immigrants is beautiful. They accuse the Russians of ruining Liberty City for doing the same exact ***** that they did when they got there 50years before. The only difference between the two is that the Italians are established and political. The commentary of the Politician Kennedy is ***** spot on, he blames the Russians for not playing by the rules, but they made the corrupt rules when they first got here.
    The other point is that the story is basically a tragedy, and I am happy that Niko never got redemption. Violence only begets violence, he came here or revenge to change his life but only got himself in the same ***** situations he was in back at home. In his quest for revenge he realized what was important "Kate" way too late and his actions led to her death. It's ***** perfect.
    • madvibe, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2That's great and all but tragedies aren't fun to play.
    • loopis, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2I love Easter in Europe.
      • Alexandru25, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Dohhhhh I typed that ***** too fast :( This is what I get for relying on spell check alone.
  • PEMDAS, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2While the writer's opinion is valid, he has yet to hear my rebuttle: I drove around in a firetruck and pinned people to the ground with the water cannon while my team mates got out of the truck, walked up to the hopeless victims and riddled their bodies with bullets.

    I could go on and on about how much freedom this multiplayer allows you (helicopter assault teams setting up on top of buildings in hot spots, high-speed car chases to get away from/ hunt down opponents, barricades made out of traffic jams) but I'll just let you guys go online, bitch at the host to turn auto-aim off, put on standard weapons (rpg's are gay), and change the ***** map from Happiness Island to Algonquin, to see for yourselves how consistently hysterical this game can be.
  • Supernova36, on 05/15/2008, -3/+3Don't get me wrong, I love GTA IV, one of the best games of recent years, but the fact it knocked Ocarina of Time off the top spot is criminal. I get the feeling a lot of reviewers barely played the game simply to get their review out there first.
  • cachemoney, on 05/15/2008, -0/+6I would like to add to the list of complaints:

    11) If you drink heavily while playing the game, and forget what cut scenes you have watch, you can't go back and re-watch them. Right now i have a faint recollection of saving Roman from being kidnapped, but I don't know if I saved him... hic.
    • ericrous, on 05/16/2008, -1/+1i to hav hash suc expiences
    • Enochrewt, on 05/23/2008, -0/+0So they have to cater to people that can't stop drinking? And that's not your fault?

      I was drunk is never a valid excuse for anything in life.
  • XHashmeerX, on 05/15/2008, -0/+7I have not made use of a subway system once. Except for that required mission. If i need to get around fast, a taxi-cab with a waypoint and the skip button is all I need.

    Cool it's there I guess...
    • Alexandru25, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3So options are bad? I don't get this as a complaint.
  • Funnyman22, on 05/15/2008, -1/+4"Page is being generated.
    If this message does not disappear within 30 seconds, please reload."

    Even the fake internet in GTA 4 works better than this webserver
  • mrjofo, on 05/15/2008, -2/+2I love playing GTA most of the time, but here's what annoys the hell out of me:

    1) Having to redo missions completely when you fail. Let me skip the stupid stuff like driving to a destination (unless the ride is a real part of the challenge, like avoiding someone or chasing someone. It's a waste of time and I"m tired of hearing the same dialog over and over again. (Maybe I just suck.)

    2) I can chase a guy on a motorcycle thru city streets and never lose him but I can lose a helicopter. How do you lose a chopper flying thru the city? I can pick him up again just by increasing altitude to get a visual. Logically, it would be easier for the biker to lose me just by making two turns without me seeing it yet I know exactly where he is thanks to that circular map thing.
  • TheBlackLotus, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2I Agree 100%. Money is worthless. Getting $250k for a mission in any of the Older games, woulda made you cream yourself. Lets hope with the DLC later this year, they add houses, or business like in VC and SA. Or add weapons and cars that can ONLY be obtained by money, like a Rhino tank.. or the Mini-gun.
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