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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Video to toture:
WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c1QfFiLDDI - JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Who can we put pressure on to make this torture stop?
- pinesol101, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19not Bush
- belfastbiker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12***** Hell, so these are the guys in charge who are the recipients of extraordinary rendition?
'According to former CIA case officer Bob Baer, "If you want someone to disappear you send them to Egypt."'
Lovely. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Umm, we're here in this thread? Or do you see many people here just loving torture?
What a weird question to ask...
And why do you put "torture" in quotes? - americanpatriot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This is the case in most if not all Arab countries. I believe it is the lack of coverage by the western media of what is happening in these countries, the support of the US and the EU of the governments in place, in exchange of a dictatorial run government that would stop the insurgence of any extremist movement and a food for life policy that subjects the populace to obey by the dictator's and their servants, they can be army, police or part of a political party or relatives of the ruler rules.
What you can do, is blog about it, talk about it and make it known to more and more people, if the coverage increases, then something will eventually happen. - borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11You know something is wrong when the police get more info about a person from a google search than from a background check. Boy I love the Tubes.
- osmow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Are they sticking a stick up his?
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13It is outrageous. But the real "outrage" with Abu Ghraib was due to the fact that it was American soldiers who were doing the torturing. And being authorized at the highest levels of this administration. This goes against everything that we are supposedly about as a nation. Torture is horrible. When torture is trained to the young men and women of the US military, that's monsterous, because that's not what we are about.
Not to mention the fact that how can we as Americans expect other countries to treat our prisoners with humanity and respect if this is what we are doing to the people that we hold. There's no comparing this and Abu Ghraib, unless we've just abdicated the whole "moral high ground" thing. Which, in so many ways, Bush has.
We met the enemy, and he was us. - americanistsam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I have an Egyptian friend who is a police officer who showed a video which contains a torture of Egyptian woman the most disgusting thing that he was laughing which shows that they always do that in the Egyptian people.
- nubtard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"Mr Amin warned of increased police interest in the blogosphere, and expected, if not a crackdown, a state grand campaign to discredit the bloggers."
Why do people keep trying to silence the interwebs? - tboutcher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Does anyone else get annoyed when news article are written about youtube videos and don't have the link to the actually video?
- truspark, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8this is the perfect use of Youtube. Americans only respond to visual stimuli. I hope more of these videos come out of countries like Egypt and Sudan and wherever these grave injustices are happening.
- bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Isn't some crazy right winger gonna say "THIS GUY SHOULDN'T HAVE BROKEN THE LAW!" and that he "GOT WHAT HE DESERVED"?
- belfastbiker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Do you think it wasn't torture or something, "friend"?
- HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Stop ***** me. I didn't do anything wrong....
- draebor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Hey, but if he's done nothing wrong then he has nothing to fear, right? If he's innocent then he'll go to heaven when he dies from torture, just like the Salem witches... right, conservatives?
This is why we can't place too much power in the hands of authorities. - nygex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Egypt is notoriously corrupt. We could never get security personnel out of Egypt because everyone knew the vetting process was a total sham. Ironically, Syria was more reliable and Jordan was probably the best.
- TiKoZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41st yes it was being put in his ass (when they let him go he appeared on talk shows here in Egypt), 2nd because they (the police) wanted 2 make him an example to all the other people in his area (that's why they were filming it, and bluetooth-spread it) 3rd the guy is a -poor- bus driver
- easyone, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9http://youtube.com/watch?v=8c1QfFiLDDI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5QFSN8fyYHM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=r0-rQr6Np7A
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZQom4edkHkw - spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3One of the YouTube video clips *is* linked in the FA text:
"Bloggers have uploaded other footage to YouTube including *this video* of the interrogation of a woman accused of murder. (Note: The video contains scenes of violence that some readers will find offensive.)"
Link location: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhQRFz65M6s - andylau, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It not surprise that the Egyptian dictator tortures and kills his people, amnesty and other human rights groups have been saying this for years. He also gets 1.3 billion in military aid per year from the US. Their is a democratic opposition composed of secularists, islamists, communists and democrats the kafea movement.
But democracy and freedom in Egypt is the last thing foreign powers want. Because they will lose control of the country, and the country might then be run for the benefit of Egyptians rather than as a vasal state. - KMartSheriff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3...What??
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, remember the phrase "extraordinary rendition"
it's a variant on the many different forms of obfuscation employed today.
Eg A. Western Fuels funding think tanks who fund global warming denial groups. "funding obfuscation"
Eg B. Government funding different government who engages in torture.
Extraordinary Rendition is Organised Crime... - MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -1/+3What the ***** does this have to do with Israel or Arabs vs Jews? By the way, an Arab can be a Jew, and an Israeli can be a Muslim. Judiasm and Islam are not a races, they're religions.
- bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"Wait, I thought torture was cold falafel and overdone chicken in a comfortable cell with a cot and a shower in Cuba?"
No, those are just the lies Rumsfeld and Fox News have been feeding you. - dgolding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Part of the issue is that AI condemnations of the Israelis tend to get more media play than similar condemnations of Arab countries and movements. Many major news organizations keep Israeli offices and full time correspondents. In most Arab countries they have local stringers. The full timers are under tremendous pressure to file stories, and so, Israeli foibles get a lot more airplay. Its an aspect of "if it bleeds, it leads".
- azurechaos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3and obviously it was just the way we treat them as well. great logic.
- nsharp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2dude, if u push that button, a lot of countries may need to hold new elections! (besides new tyrants would just step in to replace the old ones)
Human rights violations will exist as long as society stays silent, and legal systems exist that allow people to abuse their positions of power.
To fix that problem, you'd have to change the way a lot of people think, not just a few. - KMartSheriff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ya Im confused too, is that a stick being put up his ass? Or are they stabbing his nuts (*shudder*)? Also, who is he? Why?
- dgolding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The police being arrested is actually sort of a travesty. Sure, they're evil, but this is standard Egyptian police practice - these guys are not rogue. They're being punished for keeping or releasing a video, not for torture. I expect most Egyptians would find their arrest to be ironic in the extreme.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9Yeah people in the us know nothing from police brutality - Rodney King and Abner Lawema .
- OriginalLucid1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That is NOT torture. Torture is when you turn off his air conditioner. Torture is when you make men put womens panties on their heads. Just ask Senator Durbin.
- fuckingusername, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In the USA you get a cozy cell with a roommate named Tyrone, that is just inhuman, poor women , just not right right,
even if she did kill someone may bee she had a reason to do it rape?
we as humans are to barbaric to last much longer........... - anthony0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Never mind
- diargasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe the rod was hot and they were shoving it up his a-hole? Either way its gross and sadistic. Too bad they try to justify it by putting "abu gharab" on the title.
- MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2I hate to break this to you buddy, but this is the case in almost EVERY country. Where are you from? I don't care, they probably torture.
- Hecks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@bilbus
Your comments about Amnesty International are complete and utter rubbish, as even a simple search of the Amnesty site would show. I'll give you just one example link, there are plenty more:
"Amnesty International condemns yesterday’s suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, which killed nine Israeli civilians and injured dozens of others. The organization reiterates its call on Palestinian armed groups to put an immediate end to attacks on Israeli civilians and calls on the Palestinian Authority (PA) to unequivocally condemn such attacks and to take concrete steps to prevent them and to bring to justice those responsible".
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150322006?open&of=ENG-PSE - snockhockster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1From the article:
"Police have been arrested and will face trial on charges of torture in the case, but the man in the video, Imad Kabir, has been jailed for three months on the charge of "resisting authority" in the incident."
So...not only can you be tortured, but you can be imprisoned for being tortured.
What is with this theme of punishing the victim? - dgolding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Memo: Adjust meds.
- z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@duality
In the ways you speak of conservatism. i am a conservative like you.
due to the ideological drift of Americas 2 main political parties parent is using the word conservative to describe some people who call themselves conservative. people which more accurately could be described as: militarist, jingoist, theocratic, or even corporatist.
so don't be offended when i talk sh!t on conservatives. i don't mean the decry minimalism, fiscal responsibility or individual liberty.
the term Liberal also derives its origins from the pursuit of individual liberty. - dgolding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen - there's four Arab countries that routinely torture. See, you even got an extra! And for everyone who shouts "Abu Graihb" - remember, the folks who did that got court martialed and are now in PMITA prison, while the Egyptian Police are expected to do this as part of their jobs, and will in fact be fired if they don't. Oh yeah - we give a huge amount of US foreign aid to Egypt, while they intimidate and harass members of opposition parties and bloggers. Thanks, Jimmy Carter - your gifts just keep giving.
- danggit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2*sigh* I wish there was a button one could push, that would cause all the tyrannical people in position of power, from the West to the East, to just all drop dead...
Corruption is an International disease... some are just better than covering it up than others. - easyone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yeah like taser to the ***** face. Personal Experience O.o
- quedigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0INJUSTICE MAKE TERRORISTS, NOT RELIGION
- cuoops, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I think this is fake. It was staged to represent what is going on. I heard this on BBC news about and hour ago, but I can't find anything on it yet.
- duality, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Hey, but if he's done nothing wrong then he has nothing to fear, right? If he's innocent then he'll go to heaven when he dies from torture, just like the Salem witches... right, conservatives?"
If I remember correctly, conservatives were the ones who taught liberals about the flaws of that argument.
I am a conservative, and George W. Bush is not. (Read that sentence again if it doesn't make sense to you.) Don't be fooled by that word "Republican" that is often associated with him. It doesn't mean he has anything to do with conservativism. "Republican" and "conservative" have had very unrelated meanings for quite a long time.
"This is why we can't place too much power in the hands of authorities."
That is another major conservative idea. Are you sure you're not also a conservative like me? - FacesMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2THIS GUY SHOULDN'T HAVE BROKEN THE LAW! HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!
nah, I don't really believe that, just couldn't resist. - freff, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Those last two video's you posted don't pass the smell test. They look fake to me, and bad fakes at that. It's some girl, in a garage, tied to a couple of chairs, with no evidence of any authority figures around her. I've seen Japanese porn that looked more distressing and real.
There's no doubt that there are human rights abuses going on all over the world. But to me, those ones with the woman screamed of propaganda video. And it doesn't help that comments on both of them have to be approved by the poster. Smells funny. - pirashkee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1US BRINGS DEMOCRACY TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
GANG RAPE
TORTURE
MILITARY COUP
HARASSING IRANIANS -
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