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Wounded Troops Sent Back To Iraq
cbsnews.com — Seventy-nine injured soldiers were pressed into war duty last month as the U.S. Army struggled to fill its ranks. "My personal opinion is that as the war goes on, you'll see more and more soldiers with (limitations)," said Maj. Gen. Mark Graham.
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- bamafun, on 01/21/2008, -24/+17wow! This just doesn't seem right - I support the troops 100% - but just wonder if sending injured soldiers back to Iraq is the right thing to do?
- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -23/+9The article says they're being sent back to do light duty in order to free up healthy people for combat. I don't see any reason why a guy with a minor foot injury can't do paperwork.
Also, 79 isn't enough to make a difference to staffing levels. This is more hyperbole from CBS.- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -4/+13COncidering it is also on foxnews. i'll take your bashing to include them as well.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324070,00.html
next time learn to disassocaite the AP with these stations you choose to hate as they dont aleways tout the bush line.- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -11/+4Oh, that's a nice theory, but read the articles a bit more closely. The Fox article just reports the news, whereas CBS goes out of it's way to imply these people are being sent back kicking and screaming with major injuries. And they imply this is being done primarily to maintain staffing levels, which I doubt is true.
I know it's customary on Digg to bash Fox news, but let's face it, Fox is just reporting the news here where CBS is putting an anti-Bush spin on it. As usual.- ChaosMotor, on 01/21/2008, -1/+10Anything to ensure Fox escapes your criticism. All Hail Fox, Who Can Do No Wrong.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -1/+6OK let me try to explain it so even a FOX viewer can understand.
See that AP in front of the article???
how about this part
© MMVIII The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Now do you see why you are being dugg down????? had CBS rewritten it with an anti bush spin, they would be sued for plagerism.
Unfortunately if you still dont undertsand, i cant help as digg wont let me use pictures to explain things to you.
- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -11/+4Oh, that's a nice theory, but read the articles a bit more closely. The Fox article just reports the news, whereas CBS goes out of it's way to imply these people are being sent back kicking and screaming with major injuries. And they imply this is being done primarily to maintain staffing levels, which I doubt is true.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -4/+13COncidering it is also on foxnews. i'll take your bashing to include them as well.
- DaDrake, on 01/21/2008, -18/+5This is purely political. There really is no story. None of us gotten 6 months off work or school because of a broken foot.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -4/+17yea tell me again when you had your foot shot during combat in an internationally illegal war probably by the guy you were training to protect his country.
putz- laserman92027, on 01/21/2008, -1/+1As a wounded soldier I can assure you that you do limited duty. I was badly injured in Vietnam and never returned to combat but I stayed in Vietnam and pushed paper for months.
- keepinithamsta, on 01/21/2008, -2/+15I'm pretty sure you can't compare sitting in a cubicle to being a soldier.
- hobbler, on 01/21/2008, -3/+0Spoken by someone who's never been in the military, I'm assuming. Lots of soldiers sit in cubicles or do admin paperwork, even in Iraq.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -4/+17yea tell me again when you had your foot shot during combat in an internationally illegal war probably by the guy you were training to protect his country.
- RebeL5K, on 01/21/2008, -3/+6If you really have to wonder if it is a good idea to send injured soldiers back into combat...
- Fizban140, on 01/21/2008, -1/+5Then you probably didn't read the article.
- LukasSmith, on 01/21/2008, -15/+3"The 79 were deemed able to perform limited duties such as straightening out paperwork at bases in Kuwait because their conditions, including sleep disorders and broken bones, could be treated by doctors in the Middle East as easily as in Colorado, he said." yup this article is a joke. These people were not abused. go back to your cave left wing anti American drones theres nothing but over inflated conspiracy theory here for you to feed on.
- johndi, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3FTA: "Fort Carson's top general Maj. Gen. Mark Graham said most of the 79 soldiers remain in Iraq, while about a dozen are in Kuwait, the newspaper reported in Friday editions. A few returned to the United States because of inadequate rehabilitation available in theater, Graham said."
Read the whole article. They were supposed to go Kuwait. The fact is most are in Iraq.
- johndi, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3FTA: "Fort Carson's top general Maj. Gen. Mark Graham said most of the 79 soldiers remain in Iraq, while about a dozen are in Kuwait, the newspaper reported in Friday editions. A few returned to the United States because of inadequate rehabilitation available in theater, Graham said."
- OffPiste, on 01/21/2008, -2/+2Don't forget that these guys are getting all the good bennies (tax free, imminent danger pay, etc) just for for pulling headcount duty.
- h3lx, on 01/21/2008, -1/+3Nothing wrong with that. Light Duty Commandos serving in the Sick Bay Brigade still warrant a round of beer on me when/if they get their asses back stateside. Cheers!
Let them milk it while they can, there isn't ***** waiting for em here anyway... they're entitled to every ounce of gratuity they can bilk out of this ***** up war.
You're just throwing that out there I'm sure, being as the ***** bags in any number of the commercially viable alternatives to fullfill some of light duty logistical roles will cost upwards of 500%.- Krymoor, on 01/21/2008, -0/+0I agree, I was on active duty in Italy, Granted Navy, (Army has it alot harder than we do guys) I was diagnosed with Cancer. I beat it thank God, and fought to be back on full duty. Who is to say those guys dont want to be back.
- h3lx, on 01/21/2008, -1/+3Nothing wrong with that. Light Duty Commandos serving in the Sick Bay Brigade still warrant a round of beer on me when/if they get their asses back stateside. Cheers!
- WhiteIce89, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1"I support the troops 100% - but just wonder if sending injured soldiers back to Iraq is the right thing to do?"
You had to wonder to know that was wrong?
- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -23/+9The article says they're being sent back to do light duty in order to free up healthy people for combat. I don't see any reason why a guy with a minor foot injury can't do paperwork.
- TWGMichael, on 01/21/2008, -10/+91This is only the beginning. John McCain has promised that we will be in Iraq for at least 100 years. We're five years into his grand plan and the Army is broken. McCain cites Japan, Germany and Korea as examples of his wisdom. The problem there is that those populations didn't generate active rebellion against the occupation. The US didn't have to fight a organized and growing rebellion, supplied by our own money and allies.
There will be killing for a long time, and there will be American casualties as long as we are there.
It might be quiet now with 130,000 troops securing Baghdad and less than a third of the country. As soon as we start moving troops out, it will get worse again.
Meanwhile, our economy is tanking. These things are related.- valkyries, on 01/21/2008, -11/+15there was an insurgency in germany for at least 5 years after the war.
- p0ss, on 01/21/2008, -2/+24yes, but not a civil war backed by neighbouring countries.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -2/+19see that stupid comment is supposed to make us think of the justice of defeatign hitler and equate that to invading iraq..
and before you say saddam was evil, we didnt give a crap when he invaded iran as they just threw out our dictator, the shah, 2 years late he asks and invades kuiwait and we go ape as if we are righteous and cant stand for soverign nations to be invaded.
faux outrage.
ALL bs
and saddam was no hitler.- probablyhigh, on 01/21/2008, -1/+3not to mention allies El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras are much worse - corrupt governments slaughtering and robbing their people to death(over 150,000 in the 80's), with U.S. support
U.S. didn't invade Iraq to save it because Saddam 'massacred 143 people'
- probablyhigh, on 01/21/2008, -1/+3not to mention allies El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras are much worse - corrupt governments slaughtering and robbing their people to death(over 150,000 in the 80's), with U.S. support
- DaDrake, on 01/21/2008, -14/+2the economy isn't tanking.... I know cause I made a nice little fortune on the stock market. Seriously, since I been listening to the news.... the economy is ALWAYS tanking and armegeddon is around the corner.
Recessions come and go.... ironically, US recessions are the same as European bull markets. Its amazing that we can have 3.5-4% growth as a developed nation IN a recession.- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -1/+10so how much have you made since jan 1.. oh wise one???
yeah it's not just the libs saying the economy is tanking, bush and the fed are as well..
and incase you didnt notice, the economy was the last staraw bush had to hang on, i tell you he dont admit defeat easily.
you do understand the concept of debt ratio?? it's at 68% of gdp right now.
our intrest payments each year are .5 trillion.
we have gone from 5 trillion in debt to 48 trillion under the bush admin.
that is 163k per man woman and unborn child.
I hope you made enough to pay china back.
worse than our addiction to oil, is our addiction to foreign funds.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -1/+10so how much have you made since jan 1.. oh wise one???
- oggydefl, on 01/21/2008, -10/+5John McCain made no such "promise" and if you are unfortunately gullible to the sensationalist BS. Partisan journalism that quotes things out of context or flat out invents quotes. "we" will be in Iraq for 100 yrs in no way means our military forces. We have committed political and diplomatic assistance to the reinforcing the stability and sovereignty of Iraq for the long haul but McCain never has held the position that the U.S. military should be kicking down doors an smoking out terrorist strongholds for the next 100 yrs. We can either spend a few extra 6 months to a year there (militarily) and come away with objectives met, or we can extract the troops as soon as Hillary or Obama take office without finishing objectives and let Al Queda think they gained a victory and give them a morale boost to accelerate their offensive operations and all goes to hell.
- deadbaby, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2Do you really think there's anything we can do in 6-12 months that is going to magically solve the situation?
- oggydefl, on 01/21/2008, -0/+0If the Dems win the election, we would have our troops out approx Spring '09. An additional 6-12 months means early 2010 more or less. We are already starting to scale back our troop levels due to the success of the surge so I do think '10 is a reasonable goal to meet MILITARY objectives hence ending our troop occupation. Diplomatic objectives will be need our support for years to come.
- yodaj007, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1McCain DID say that. You're the one buying into the FUD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk- oggydefl, on 01/21/2008, -0/+0Still out of context as portrayed by the poster. He is saying we will finish the job no matter how long it takes. There is no "promise" that we will be there 100 years in that statement. Listen to what he's saying instead of going "ooh, ooh, he said 100 years, he said 100 years! lets put a sinister spin on this and sell it!"
- deadbaby, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2Do you really think there's anything we can do in 6-12 months that is going to magically solve the situation?
- wolferz, on 01/21/2008, -2/+2I see that is STILL getting quoted out of context.
- Mikhail101, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1lmao wisdom from Kim Jong Il, Hitler and WW2 japanese
not a good idea.
- valkyries, on 01/21/2008, -11/+15there was an insurgency in germany for at least 5 years after the war.
- Polyakov, on 01/21/2008, -9/+3It's a really stupid order, indeed.
- twinklyJesus, on 01/21/2008, -2/+6Do you atually believe that every wounded soldier in either world war, Korea or Viet Nam got an instant ticket home? Guess again. It is and always has been standard practice to send wounded, non-disabled soldiers back into combat when their injuries are sufficiently healed to permit such. that's why they call the wounds that get you a trip home "million dollar wounds."
On top of the fact that most elect to return to their units because of their own personal loyalty to their brethren, if possible.
- twinklyJesus, on 01/21/2008, -2/+6Do you atually believe that every wounded soldier in either world war, Korea or Viet Nam got an instant ticket home? Guess again. It is and always has been standard practice to send wounded, non-disabled soldiers back into combat when their injuries are sufficiently healed to permit such. that's why they call the wounds that get you a trip home "million dollar wounds."
- funt, on 01/21/2008, -14/+1Oh my ***** god that is funny.
You crazy yanks. - AshamedAmerican, on 01/21/2008, -8/+28Someone please tell me this is an Onion article.
- Fizban140, on 01/21/2008, -9/+3Someone please tell me you aren't actually serious. You fit your name so well, try and do some research next time dumbass.
- jahurt, on 01/21/2008, -0/+8Actually, The Onion nailed it 7 years ago...
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784- Gerz1219, on 01/21/2008, -0/+4Holy *****! Did someone return from the future to write that article in 2001 or something? Every single prediction made came true.
- sekhui, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3that article was shocking! i'm hard-pressed to believe they actually wrote that in 2001. i mean i do, but jesus ***** christ, that's a spot-on prediction and literally spells out what actually happened. amazing.
- Gerz1219, on 01/21/2008, -0/+4Holy *****! Did someone return from the future to write that article in 2001 or something? Every single prediction made came true.
- ChronicVagabond, on 01/21/2008, -4/+16Struggled to fill its ranks?
Doesn't anyone think that might be a sign....- redxii, on 01/21/2008, -1/+12To us: to get out; but to Bush/Cheney: "Hmm... Needs more working-class blood."?
- pintomp3, on 01/21/2008, -1/+6to republicans in general: cut more social services and tank the economy so the only way to make a living is to risk your life in war.
- sjl127, on 01/21/2008, -0/+6draft?
- h3lx, on 01/21/2008, -1/+1Not in your lifetime.
- redxii, on 01/21/2008, -1/+12To us: to get out; but to Bush/Cheney: "Hmm... Needs more working-class blood."?
- gulpy, on 01/21/2008, -5/+50I hope the government knows that soldiers don't actually -WANT- purple hearts...
- UNCCEJ1010, on 01/21/2008, -4/+16Bush likes anything that's shiny.
- proficient, on 01/21/2008, -10/+3Outrageous.
- duckylam, on 01/21/2008, -7/+11Makes sense to me. The injured take desk jobs so the uninjured can go get injured. Not very nice, but necessary if we stick around in Iraq. Only wish the army to use the injured for their recruiting as well to show people the real face of war.
- hobbler, on 01/21/2008, -5/+3The real face of war? Come on. These aren't people who got shot. They're people who hurt themselves by being clumsy or just by dumb luck. It happens all the time. Last I checked, more soldiers are incapacitated each year by training injuries than combat injuries. It doesn't make the injury any less real, less serious, or make the soldier less of a soldier. It just happens.
In addition, I guarantee a few of these people were malingerers. It's sad but true. I'm medically disabled due to being clumsy and I always had to deal with the ***** who just didn't want to do PT, so went to get one of those "profiles" the article is talking about when they didn't really need it. They even bragged about it afterwards! It made life hell for those of us who really were hurt.- hobbler, on 01/21/2008, -4/+0And I get dugg down because I don't toe the Digg party line. Figures.
- bosssmiley, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Well you do have the entirely unreasonable and unfair advantage of having lived and worked in the environment under discussion. First hand knowledge like yours shows bar-room pundits up, and God do they *hate* it when you do that. ;-)
- hobbler, on 01/21/2008, -4/+0And I get dugg down because I don't toe the Digg party line. Figures.
- hobbler, on 01/21/2008, -5/+3The real face of war? Come on. These aren't people who got shot. They're people who hurt themselves by being clumsy or just by dumb luck. It happens all the time. Last I checked, more soldiers are incapacitated each year by training injuries than combat injuries. It doesn't make the injury any less real, less serious, or make the soldier less of a soldier. It just happens.
- DaDrake, on 01/21/2008, -11/+5This make no sense since the US army has exceeded its recruitment goals the past summer. Ironically, the US army is turning a lot of people down (overweight).
FACT: It pays well and a lot of people are willing to do it. That is what the stats show.- birdly, on 01/21/2008, -1/+4It pays well? Hoo hoo, ha ha ha!
- Fizban140, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2It does actually, in Iraq they earn hazard pay and all that extra stuff so they make quite a bit.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1and those that get injured before their their contract is up, dont get the funds promissed
and no it doesnt pay well.. it pay much much better to be in blackwater.
You do know these people have to support and communicate with a family back home??
that they have been away from for a year at a time??
I bet if you ask, 90% would have theri pay cut in half just to be home with their family rather than stuck in the iraqi civil war.- Fizban140, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2I know people wanting to go back to Iraq to earn more money. If you are married you get extra pay, seperation pay and BAH (pays for housing based on location) and BAS (for food) so that is a lot of extra money coming in that should be more than enough to support a family. If you can't live comfortably with military pay you are either terrible with money or terrible with luck.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1and those that get injured before their their contract is up, dont get the funds promissed
- haterofps3, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3Get injured then you are subject to whim of a bureaucrat, who will decide your monthly monetary value by using a document drafted during the 2ND world war.
- Fizban140, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2It does actually, in Iraq they earn hazard pay and all that extra stuff so they make quite a bit.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -2/+3thast right the military has reached it's goals and is turning peeopel away.. what he leaves out is they greatly relaxed theri rules to do so.
they also have increased the joinign pay by a lot, shorten the training time from grunt to battlefield and lets forget about stop loss after all that draft doesnt effect peopel liek you.- OffPiste, on 01/21/2008, -2/+2Well if they relax their English grammar skills you might be allowed to enlist.
- erasedgod, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2"shorten the training time from grunt to battlefield"
Got a citation on that? I had been a Marine for just under two years before my first deployment. That included a 6-month workup for my specific mission in country.
- birdly, on 01/21/2008, -1/+4It pays well? Hoo hoo, ha ha ha!
- DaDrake, on 01/21/2008, -8/+25"The 79 were deemed able to perform limited duties such as straightening out paperwork at bases in Kuwait "
So what.... what I broke my leg, I still went to work. These soldiers aren't fighting, they are doing paperwork. They need something to keep them busy, its not like they are fighting for charity.- swaddict, on 01/21/2008, -12/+7I see..so where were you deployed? No pro-war comments unless you are in Iraq or Afghanistan. Otherwise, check you hypocrisy at the door
- petebert, on 01/21/2008, -1/+5well I was in Iraq and this is the only comment I've seen that isnt just sensationalism yet, actually his responce seems to be using common sense.
Nothing but a broken bone? Have you been to Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, etc.. why couldnt you run a desk job there with a cast, because its hot?- OffPiste, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2Then again I'd rather do convoy duty on Tampa than be permanent headcount at Buehring.
- hobbler, on 01/21/2008, -0/+0Better Buehring than Virginia.
- hobbler, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Why the hell am I getting dugg down for saying Camp Virginia, Kuwait sucks!?!? RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT FREE US FROM THIS EVIL TYRRANY OF DIGG!
- erasedgod, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2They could definitely do paperwork in Al Asad. Seriously, we've got internet in the cans (metal boxes we sleep in) here.
- RoboRay, on 01/21/2008, -0/+7I'm in Iraq now (Camp Adder) and while there are certainly tons of jobs here that could in theory be performed by previously injured troops who can't go into the field, most of those jobs currently seem to be filled by KBR employees or locals.
- petebert, on 01/21/2008, -1/+5well I was in Iraq and this is the only comment I've seen that isnt just sensationalism yet, actually his responce seems to be using common sense.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -6/+4ts not like they are fighting for charity.
thats right dont forget these people are leaving their families for up to a year, getting shot at, losing limbs, dealing with teh death and destruction of war, having to deal with stop loss and such.. but they arent fighting for charity.
Seriously drake do you honestly think a majority of these people are in iraq for the money?????? Are you that ignorant?- pyrotix, on 01/21/2008, -1/+8Actually uh, a lot of them are. Serving with American armed forces can get you through college for free.
Take a look at the ages of the wounded or killed in Iraq. Fully 20% of them are under 21, not even old enough to drink. This is one of the results of the disastrous No Child Left Behind Act - sending American kids off to die because they come from poor areas.- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -0/+0.
- sathias, on 01/21/2008, -1/+2If they are in Iraq for the money, they are part of the "private security contractors", not the military.
- erasedgod, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2Why not? Most of the military in Iraq are doing next to nothing (trust me on this) and getting paid double what we would be stateside.
- pyrotix, on 01/21/2008, -1/+8Actually uh, a lot of them are. Serving with American armed forces can get you through college for free.
- swaddict, on 01/21/2008, -12/+7I see..so where were you deployed? No pro-war comments unless you are in Iraq or Afghanistan. Otherwise, check you hypocrisy at the door
- birdly, on 01/21/2008, -4/+13Proving once again that the cliche "support our troops" is nothing but lip service.
- orangetiki, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3More like Support the troops so your country doesn't have to.
- fairley7, on 01/21/2008, -4/+19Time for our "representatives" in Congress and the Bush Administration to put their children where their mouths are. If we're really in Iraq to defend the US, then they should be willing to make the same sacrifice they're demanding of our enlisted men and women. Otherwise we should get the hell out!
- ValVedRaY, on 01/21/2008, -12/+7United States Marine here... We need to get our troops out of Iraq, then we wouldn't have to worry about this issue, our only answer is Ron Paul!!
- swaddict, on 01/21/2008, -3/+4Thank you, and thank you for your sacrifice.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 01/21/2008, -1/+5I cannot think of a single question where the answer is Ron Paul.
- jstone, on 01/21/2008, -1/+4Except maybe "What does it say on the side of that blimp?"
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 01/21/2008, -1/+3You know, I was just thinking that. I saw the blimp on Friday, since then I've been feeling quite non-interventionist and had the sudden urge to invest in gold. That and stockpile guns and ammo for the impending race war.
- amoirae, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1"Who is irrelevant after losing mutiple caucuses and primaries?"
- Lixnig, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3Guiliani?
- Lixnig, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3Guiliani?
- chicofaraby, on 01/21/2008, -2/+4Just because you were stupid enough to join the military doesn't mean anyone gives a crap about your opinion.
Oh, and Ron Paul has voted with George Bush's party line in 3 of 4 votes since Bush entered office.- Lixnig, on 01/21/2008, -0/+13 of 4 votes on what?
- erasedgod, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Totally agree. Semper fi, buddy.
- SouthsideIrish, on 01/21/2008, -5/+9You ever think that they wanted to go back? Just thinking about my brainwashed days in the military and I know that I would want to go back. If you have never served in the military then you may not understand it, but you want to go back to you unit and help them any way you can.
BTW, I am antiwar now.- Fizban140, on 01/21/2008, -8/+1Sounds like you had some mental problems, I don't know anyone who is brainwashed like that.
- Lixnig, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1A small amount of research on your part would have revealed that many people leaving the military do have mental problems.
- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -0/+0And a small amount of research on *your* part would have revealed the prevalence of mental illness among veterans is no higher than the general population.
- Lixnig, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1A small amount of research on your part would have revealed that many people leaving the military do have mental problems.
- birdly, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2Thanks for the insight.
- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -1/+1I think probably most of them do. Everyone I've talked to that's here while his unit is deployed feels like he's letting the team down. I've read a couple articles about guys with missing limbs moving mountains to stay in and redeploy.
- SouthsideIrish, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1If I had lost a leg I would have done anything just to get back in shape and go back. I know a few people that have been there, and one from Illinois spent way too much time over there and wants to go back. It is really crazy. But when you are in the military you don't want to let your friends down.
- Ben1220, on 01/22/2008, -0/+1That reminds me of all quiet on the western front when the guy goes back to war during his break.
- Fizban140, on 01/21/2008, -8/+1Sounds like you had some mental problems, I don't know anyone who is brainwashed like that.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -5/+12With war no longer on tv, and coffins no longer being shown and greiving mothers kept out of sight and the amputees and burned beyong reconition people are all kept out of public view, it allows a lot of asshats to have a pleasant "this is just a job" view of the war.
These same people think it is helping the soliders by continuing to fill up their hummer. - blackdude, on 01/21/2008, -9/+7At least their doing paperwork instead of sitting around wasting my tax dollars. RTFA
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -6/+6very a-hole of you.. these people got injured on you tax dollars.. so you can make money and pay taxes.. asshat
- blackdude, on 01/21/2008, -5/+4They don't get injured on my tax dollars. Nobody told them to join the army..? I pay for them, so they shouldnt be at home laying on their asses. When i'm sick and have a hurt leg, I still have to go to work and type ***** up. I still had to go to school when I had a broken arm; I see no problem with this. And obviously, you fail because, you didn't _RTFA_ .
- erasedgod, on 01/21/2008, -1/+1How the hell do you figure you "pay for them"? Servicemembers pay taxes, too. I pay just as much toward my own paycheck as you do to it. We don't, however, pay federal taxes while deployed overseas.
As for going to work injured. That's fine if you're a desk-jockey, but would you return to work in similar fashion if you were a laborer or a construction worker? Didn't think so.- blackdude, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1If you _RTFA_ their pushing papers now. If I need to spell it out, I will, Read The ***** Article.
- erasedgod, on 01/21/2008, -1/+1How the hell do you figure you "pay for them"? Servicemembers pay taxes, too. I pay just as much toward my own paycheck as you do to it. We don't, however, pay federal taxes while deployed overseas.
- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -2/+0So... the guy with a sleeping disorder... was he injured on my tax dollar? Is there some new terrorist ant-sleeping weapon I"m not aware of?
- bosssmiley, on 01/21/2008, -1/+2Sleep disorder, usually a euphemism for either insomnia or screaming catapult nightmares every night. Pretty typical symptom of post-traumatic stress, and a totally valid reason for putting someone on light duties.
I mean, would you want to be out on patrol with someone who's on the verge of sleep deprivation? Their concentration fuxxored, their judgement in stressful situations ditto.- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Oh, I agree the guy shouldn't be in combat. But you're making a series of assumptions here. This guy may never have been in combat, or even in Iraq. Even if he was, his sleep problems may be unrelated to his experiences in Iraq.
- bosssmiley, on 01/21/2008, -1/+2Sleep disorder, usually a euphemism for either insomnia or screaming catapult nightmares every night. Pretty typical symptom of post-traumatic stress, and a totally valid reason for putting someone on light duties.
- blackdude, on 01/21/2008, -5/+4They don't get injured on my tax dollars. Nobody told them to join the army..? I pay for them, so they shouldnt be at home laying on their asses. When i'm sick and have a hurt leg, I still have to go to work and type ***** up. I still had to go to school when I had a broken arm; I see no problem with this. And obviously, you fail because, you didn't _RTFA_ .
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -6/+6very a-hole of you.. these people got injured on you tax dollars.. so you can make money and pay taxes.. asshat
- Kythas, on 01/21/2008, -8/+11FTA: "The 79 were deemed able to perform limited duties such as straightening out paperwork at bases in Kuwait because their conditions, including sleep disorders and broken bones, could be treated by doctors in the Middle East as easily as in Colorado, he said."
Makes perfect sense to me. This is simply more sensationlism by the MSM.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Oh, and burying as inaccurate. Headline says they were sent back to Iraq when they were really sent to Kuwait.- johndi, on 01/21/2008, -1/+3FTA: "Fort Carson's top general Maj. Gen. Mark Graham said most of the 79 soldiers remain in Iraq, while about a dozen are in Kuwait, the newspaper reported in Friday editions. A few returned to the United States because of inadequate rehabilitation available in theater, Graham said."
It isn't CBS or the submitter that is spinning it. These soldiers were cleared for light duty in Kuwait. Col. John Hort is being very deceptive and should end up in prison for ignoring the doctors advice and placing these soldiers and the rest of his men in danger by placing men unfit for combat in a combat zone.
- johndi, on 01/21/2008, -1/+3FTA: "Fort Carson's top general Maj. Gen. Mark Graham said most of the 79 soldiers remain in Iraq, while about a dozen are in Kuwait, the newspaper reported in Friday editions. A few returned to the United States because of inadequate rehabilitation available in theater, Graham said."
- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -2/+12This reminds me of people who come back wounded from Iraq, but later die from their injuries.
They are not included in the ''killed in Iraq'' statistics, because they didn't die IN Iraq.
Such soldiers and soldiers families deserve the same honor and benefits as those killed directly in combat, and the surviving family members rights should not be denied.
It would be good for the USA to provide more medical benefits for those wounded during their service.
It is a national shame to see homeless veterans turned away by the very country they served.
No vet should be homeless - there should exist a 'lifetime support network' to help vets get jobs, ensure they get proper medical care and adequate housing.
When you put your life on the line, and spend the rest of your life with an injury - the USA should take care of its own.
USA - Do the Right Thing - Take Care of your Vets.- h3lx, on 01/21/2008, -1/+2The med service to active military is top notch. The follow up and out-patient care is virtually non-existent and almost all of it collapses when you EAS out. The VA Hospitals vary wildly by location. There are some good, some outright ***** abominable. You can't just uproot and move to areas with better care.
- bmnrocks, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1You obviously haven't been in the same military as I. Our medical and dental sucks. Oh you have something wrong with your tooth, no we are not going to fix that for you, but we will rip it out for you. Yea thanks! 3yrs they(USAF) were looking at my neck telling me nothing was wrong. When I got out, I spent 15min with a regular doctor and found exactly what was wrong. Needless to say, my neck is doing a whole lot better now.
America is about 'looking' like we take care, but we really don't.- h3lx, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1no argument on dental, all 4 wisdoms at the same time, awake for the whole thing. I nearly ***** bled to death. Same thing happened when I was volunteered for a marrow donation.
- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Well, how about a "Veteran Medical Card" :
1. If a vet is not near a VA hospital, the Veteran Medical Card gives them access to any hospital, anywhere in the USA.
2. If the VA hospital is unable to provide a service needed by a vet, his card allows him to visit a specialist to get the care the VA hospital doesn't have.
Kind of like a Veteran HMO, the former Soldier would have to check with the VA first for everything but emergencies, and if the VA primary care doctor can get what the vet needs, great. If the VA doctor determines the vet needs specialized care, he is allowed to send the patient to the best care he can find. If the vet doesn't get the service he needs, he can 'shop elsewhere'.
With the sophistication we have today with medical computer systems, money cards, and communications - a vet should be able to get the best care in the USA at a price both they and the government can afford.
The Veteran Medical Card - Protecting those who protect the nation !
- bmnrocks, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1You obviously haven't been in the same military as I. Our medical and dental sucks. Oh you have something wrong with your tooth, no we are not going to fix that for you, but we will rip it out for you. Yea thanks! 3yrs they(USAF) were looking at my neck telling me nothing was wrong. When I got out, I spent 15min with a regular doctor and found exactly what was wrong. Needless to say, my neck is doing a whole lot better now.
- h3lx, on 01/21/2008, -1/+2The med service to active military is top notch. The follow up and out-patient care is virtually non-existent and almost all of it collapses when you EAS out. The VA Hospitals vary wildly by location. There are some good, some outright ***** abominable. You can't just uproot and move to areas with better care.
- cadmiumpaint, on 01/21/2008, -3/+11i guess its getting harder to find volunteers for "operation cannon fodder"
- bytehead, on 01/21/2008, -1/+8I've got one son in Iraq that still suffers from PTSD. And the other son is back, but after two concussions, I'm still worried about TBI.
- haterofps3, on 01/21/2008, -1/+5Hard one to judge as I am not a Doctor or in the armed forces, maybe those of us without these qualifications should shut up!
"Support the Troops" is a ***** motto how about "Will not Murder for Haliburton"
"Anti-American" is it not illegal to go to war without the permission of the congress? So wouldn't this war be "Anti-American" and those that perpetuate it are not the same people who are fighting in it.- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -1/+0Good idea. Maybe people like you without qualifications should shut up!
- lorductape, on 01/21/2008, -2/+7wait... why are we still in iraq again?
- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3Because Iran and Pakistan attacked the USA on 9-11,
oh, wait a minute . . . - trollhunter, on 01/22/2008, -0/+1I thought you were there to steal the oil... or placate Israel... or find WMD's.....or stop human rights abuses.... geez, I can't remember either...
Are you there to keep the American public scared and willing to sacrifice freedom for security... or is it so you can intimidate the rest of the Middle East into submission... or was it to prove once and for all that Muslims are "godless" and Christ is the "answer"... or was it the oil?- Valmorgan, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1sacrifice freedom for security for the win
- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3Because Iran and Pakistan attacked the USA on 9-11,
- Comatose51, on 01/21/2008, -4/+6Chill out guys, this kind of thing is really quite common and part of an old tradition. I mean this is what the Germans did to their soldiers at Stalingrad....
(end sarcasm)- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -1/+6II'm less upset about this situation as I am towards the right wing supporters of the war commenting here , that think this is some sort of lucrative joy job
- Comatose51, on 01/21/2008, -0/+4It's so much easier to be cavalier when you don't have to pay the price.
- h3lx, on 01/21/2008, -1/+1At leat they're not doing what the Russians did.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -1/+6II'm less upset about this situation as I am towards the right wing supporters of the war commenting here , that think this is some sort of lucrative joy job
- daleok, on 01/21/2008, -2/+5The Bush girls should be placed on activity duty and sent to Iraq. I know this isn't going to happen but perhaps Bush would pay more attention to the situation there since he would have more at stake like thousands of American families are dealing with already.
- OffPiste, on 01/21/2008, -1/+2Depends on how well they can fight. I'd rather have a warrior next to me than someone who has been forced to join the Army.
- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -1/+0Why? You realize everyone in the Army is a volunteer, right? That nobody was drafted?
- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2I am against the draft - forced labor of any kind is slavery.
I will have deeper respect for the two Bush girls when they enlist in the Armed forces.
I don't expect the government would put them on the front lines,
but they could 'help out' serving in some capacity the men and women who
serve the USA...
Their father served, and their grand father served, they could do likewise...
- HeavenlyDunbass, on 01/21/2008, -5/+0I am so bored of Bush administration scandals.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -3/+5to debunk the people thinking the soldiers are gettign rich
http://www.nmfa.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reus_ ...
notice Imminent Danger Pay: $225/ MONTH- djdedeo0, on 01/21/2008, -3/+1consider that if your in Immenent danger zone you also get everything tax free, if you have a familiy you get like 500 more a month. On top of that you get bonus for passing in certain zones. If you parachute once in a month you get like 500 bucks air pay. If you fly in a helo you get a certain pay. I was making like 1400 dollars a week. So yea, a high school grad or a married person makes good money. Do you think people stay in for 20-30 years because they like poverty? Get a clue.
- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Can you ''save up'' most of your military pay?
It seems like you wouldn't have to spend very much of your own money,
if the military is providing the food, clothes, housing, utilities, and other basics of life...
- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Can you ''save up'' most of your military pay?
- djdedeo0, on 01/21/2008, -1/+3Also if your single you can still collect your BAH while deployed. Imagine collect like 800 dollars exta and you're not even staying in a blace. You spend your money on nothing. A 19yo kids can save enough to put a nice downpayment on a house.
- erasedgod, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2I can't imagine why someone would digg you down for that. My BAH (Married, E-4, living in San Diego) is $1820 per month.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3geez guys that is per month, you do know that??
and no it isnt all tax free
the largest portion of your pay inst tax free.
they are making less than 50lk a year.. and jerks in here say they are getting rich over their because of comabt pay..
so please.. do yourself a favor, and get a clue.
you pay does go up.. my whole family is military, my whole family is over there, my whole family has been military since they came to this country..
No people dont stay in the military because they like poverty but some actually like the chance to server their country against real dangers. ANd they are not in the military to get rich, much liek peopel above are suggesting.
6 months as a blaackwater guard iis more money than my bro has goitten in his 4 years in the mil..
so please get a freaken clue yourself.
they arent beccoming rich.. and mind you
you buddy bush thought that a 3.5% raise was too much. despite the private sector got a 3.9% raise and i mean the private sector paid for by the mil
liek it or not 4k/month - 48k a year no matter how you spin it.. and no it isnt worth an arm.. shoot it isnt worth 1/5 a hummer litterly.- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Former military people should consider running for office - as a representative, senator, governor, mayor, etc.
After having defended the country and constitution from outside threats,
come home and make sure to protect American civilization from inside threats.
Protect Civil Liberties, Citizens rights, law and order...
I support Dr. Ron Paul because he served his country with honor:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about
- LeeSoong, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Former military people should consider running for office - as a representative, senator, governor, mayor, etc.
- djdedeo0, on 01/21/2008, -3/+1consider that if your in Immenent danger zone you also get everything tax free, if you have a familiy you get like 500 more a month. On top of that you get bonus for passing in certain zones. If you parachute once in a month you get like 500 bucks air pay. If you fly in a helo you get a certain pay. I was making like 1400 dollars a week. So yea, a high school grad or a married person makes good money. Do you think people stay in for 20-30 years because they like poverty? Get a clue.
- tgc1, on 01/21/2008, -1/+0Stuck On Stupid. (S.O.S)
- Ninnux, on 01/21/2008, -1/+1@TWGMicheal :: John McCain likes hyperbole. We will be in Iraq until their last elephant field is fully developed.
- djdedeo0, on 01/21/2008, -7/+3Liberals are funny. Once again they are feeling sorry for a section of the population they care nothing about. Newsflash: The military is a fighting force and such, when you join, you should expect to fight.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -2/+4yeah but no in illegal wars based on made uop intel cause some con wants to fufill his adgenda.
And incase you didnt notice the military is giveing to ron paul... meanign they KNOW YOU DO NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS.
you cons are so funny, you think war is just a way of shopping, dont think our military should get raises or even help when they get injured fighting your illegal war.- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -2/+1When you join up you fight when told to fight. That's the deal. Conservatives do support the troops in the most important way, the way you don't - we support the mission. You can't support the troops without supporting the mission. To think you can displays a real lack of understanding in military matters.
- Valmorgan, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1But the mission is a lie. The meaning of a military is to keep us safe not to plunder on behalf of a few of us while the rest gets drafted... thats medieval.
- tsotha, on 01/21/2008, -2/+1When you join up you fight when told to fight. That's the deal. Conservatives do support the troops in the most important way, the way you don't - we support the mission. You can't support the troops without supporting the mission. To think you can displays a real lack of understanding in military matters.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -2/+4yeah but no in illegal wars based on made uop intel cause some con wants to fufill his adgenda.
- ryanhayn, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2handicapped soldier boy back in this war, watch him crank it watch him roll.
- sirloin, on 01/21/2008, -1/+3true a lot of these guys would liek to go back, even worse injured. there is a bond that forms between people under the threat of death.
FALSE our military is getting rich by being over their. - anonimuso, on 01/21/2008, -0/+4I bet you anything that 75 of those soldiers WANTED to go back to Iraq. Many of them were probably disappointed when they learned that they would be at a "desk" job instead of fighting with their platoons. Most of you people making comments about this have no idea how much pride these soldiers have in what they do and how much fellowship they have with their fellow servicemen.
- Christerray, on 01/21/2008, -2/+5I'm in Iraq right now - even if the troops are performing "paperwork" duty, they still need to carry around at least 50 or 60 lbs of gear (kevlar helmet and ballistic vest) in case of a mortar attack.
So, in the case of the soldier who had the foot condition and was sent back, well, he got caught before having to aggravate that injury any further (not to mention carrying his luggage from the states, to germany, to al udied, and finally to Kuwait)
So, in short...if you all can't stop the war, do what I did - enlist. I'd rather put myself, a single young white male, in harms way than to put a wounded troop or someone with a family.
Screaming about it to stop won't stop it. Do your part. Man up and help these other boys out.
Digg me down if you think i'm just recruiting, but if you don't want this to happen - stop loss, wounded troops returning to service, tour extensions, etc...then you need to bolster the ranks.- Valmorgan, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Thank you for your service, I hope Ron Paul gets you guys out of there.
- jlhoben, on 01/21/2008, -2/+3Disgrace.
- KauLad, on 01/21/2008, -1/+1Reminds me of the "stomach battalions" that the Wehrmacht had in the 2nd World War when they were scraping the bottom of the manpower pool.
- giogalindo, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2can't we all just get along?
- ashObama08, on 01/21/2008, -0/+3The pentagon is coming out with a report this week which will say that 1 in 5 American service members returning from Iraq has a traumatic brain injury.
As the wife of a career military officer, we have many friends serving in Iraq who have also served in other hot spots around the world over their 20+ careers. Here's what they say about this "war:" not enough/right kind of equipment, undefined mission, undefined enemy, troops not trained for this kind of warfare, no defined "win." When these young men and women signed up for the military over the last 6 years, many of them well aware that they would be sent to Iraq, they were not aware of the conditions there. They were not aware that their mission would be so undefined, their training so insufficient. When they sign up, they make the assumption that their government will give them the tools they need to be successful. Their government has not.
When you talk about your tax dollars being wasted, I'll agree. Your tax dollars are being wasted all over Iraq because the American government can't get its act together and define the mission, provide the training, provide the equipment and give the troops what they need to be successful.
Finally, this "war" will never be settled militarily. This issue will only be settled politically. The theory has always been that we would, though the military, get the country to the point that the issue could be solved by the politicians. Neither has happened. It's time for us to get out.- johnabq, on 01/21/2008, -0/+2thank him for his service, and thank you for your honesty...
- euping, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1Since over 13 billion U.S dollars were stolen by the leaders that America put in charge of Iraq from the Arabs to the Kurds, If the funds had been used the true way and even those that were in charge of the U.S Aids contracts had not stolen as much, then Iraq today would have been different place, people do not have electricity not because there was no money for it, but because the governments did not want it, so that they can reap the deep pocket profits for themselves. Sell burning fuel for over $165 U.S dollars per barrel while the average pay is less than $300 U.S. That is a fact. The Iraqis all hate their own governments from the Arabs to the Kurds, and they all hate the Americans for destroying their whole world for the sake of oil and wealth. They all would love to see the very wealth that belonged to the American tax payers as well as their countries wealth, all investigated by the FBI and all other agencies that can help recover the funds and punish those that stole to a very harsh punishments. We Americans have been ripped off every way possible and forced to be hated by the world.
- AvangionQ, on 01/21/2008, -0/+1"Seventy-nine injured soldiers were pressed into war duty last month as the U.S. Army struggled to fill its ranks, but most were assigned to light-duty jobs within limits set by doctors, two Army leaders said." ... confirming my previous proclamations that military recruiting has vastly missed its quotas for new recruits, further proving the unpopularity of the Iraq War. Eventually, the current wave of recruits in this surge will have their tours of duty either extended yet another time or finally released -- at which point, the United States government will be left with one of four choices: end the war and return our troops home, recruit more mercenaries to swell Blackwater's ranks, extend the troop's tours of duty to the breaking point, or enact a general draft ... I can only hope that the choice will be made *before* the November elections so that the people can clearly see which side of this debate their choices for politicians side with ...
- Valmorgan, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1How about we Vote Ron Paul and get the hell out of where we dont belong.
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