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- inactive, on 04/02/2009, -3/+38FTA - On March 17, a group of lawyers representing the Association for the Dignity of Prisoners, a Spanish human-rights group, filed a complaint in Spain's National Court against Gonzales and five other former officials, including Under Secretary of Defense Douglas Feith and the Justice Department's John Yoo, for violating international law by creating a legal framework that permitted the torture of suspected terrorists. On March 29, the complaint became public after Garzón, who had been assigned the case, sent it to the prosecutor's office for review, a step seen by many familiar with the court as a sign that the judge will soon agree to investigate the case. "It's still a bit early," says Almudena Bernabeu, international attorney with the San Francisco–based Center for Justice and Accountability, which has brought claims before the National Court on behalf of victims of human-rights abuse in Guatemala and El Salvador. "But it's a great step."
These pathetic criminals will be stuck in the USA for the rest of their lives. And maybe Garzón can show the US Justice Dept. what it means to have cojones. Then they might actually go to jail, where they belong. - allowners, on 04/02/2009, -1/+22That doesn't help those of us who are stuck with them.
- inactive, on 04/02/2009, -5/+26Do any of you remember when we sent letters to Judge Garzón asking him to indict Bush?
http://reasontraditionandliberty.blogspot.com/2008 ...
Over 1500 people viewed the page, I don't know how many actually printed and sent the letter.
Who knows? Maybe we helped influence things. - inactive, on 04/03/2009, -1/+20Wow, you're really pretty sure of yourself for someone who is so dumb.
I am about as far from a socialist as a person can get.
You don't have any family from Spain. You don't speak Spanish. You don't know that Spain eliminated al Qaeda in its country. You are spouting Bushisms that even Bush doesn't believe anymore.
You are pathetic. - inactive, on 04/02/2009, -1/+18It will embolden American jurists to follow suit.
- inactive, on 04/03/2009, -2/+18Thank you for your thoughtful and courteous comment. I learn a lot form your well considered opinions.
- inactive, on 04/02/2009, -2/+18get them out of this country and into spanish jails for the rest of their lives...they only created more reasons to attack the homeland...
- Sasha56, on 04/02/2009, -4/+19Unfortunately, the list of 6 they are going after doesn't include Bush or Cheney..perhaps there will be a round 2?
- sheeplescareme, on 04/03/2009, -1/+16i'm always amazed when i come across a shrub apologist. i know they're out there, but it's still hard to believe that they exist.
- inactive, on 04/03/2009, -3/+17Te hace falta ayuda profesional compadre. Tienes severas deficiencias en tus habilidades sociales.
Como magistrado del Juzgado de Instrucción n.º 5 de la Audiencia Nacional, Balatasar Garzón es independiente del gobierno, no es un puesto elegido.
Entonces no tienes idea de que huevada estás hablando.
Como dice un buen chileno - ándate al punto del cerro.
Ten to one your "my whole family is from and in Valencia Spain" is BS and you don't have a clue what I just wrote.
The person who falls for nonsense is you compadre. Everything that we were told about Afghanistan and Iraq and terrorism was wrong. Much of it was lies.
Spain changed its government, left Iraq, treated terrorism as crime, rooted out the al Qaeda cells in Spain. Sent 15 men to prison and although Spain sits just twenty miles across the straits of Gibraltar from a Muslim country, Spain no longer has a problem with terrorism
The US does. Hmmmmm
Which policy works better?
And who was the judge that rolled up al Qaeda in Spain? Baltasar Garzón. - inactive, on 04/03/2009, -1/+15I think that starting with Dubya and his handler would have been a bit much even for the super-judge.
If he manages to find cause to bring Yoo, Addington, Feith and Gonzales to trial he will issue arrest warrants. If it gets that far, then maybe, just maybe the Spaniard will dare to indict Bush and Cheney.
The problem to overcome is that Obama will certainly protect the exPresident. - MercyPolitics, on 04/03/2009, -0/+12That was quite a thread guys, and @poprockandsoda if your vitriolic comments were a joke it was brilliant....but I am guessing they are not. And apparently, despite claiming to live in Spain "amigo", your Spanish is not so good. So I will go ahead, and give you a Readers Digest's version of what my good friend Caferrell wrote to you in Spanish: Seek help. We are trying to have an intelligent conversation here, please don't lower our standards by dragging it into the gutter.
- inactive, on 04/03/2009, -0/+12Merci beaucoup mon ami
- inactive, on 04/03/2009, -2/+11I have a new letter ready to go.
click on the link and scroll down to the update. Click on the letter, print it, sign and send it!
http://reasontraditionandliberty.blogspot.com/2008 ... - MercyPolitics, on 04/03/2009, -0/+9De rien, c'est avec le plus grand plaisir.
- inactive, on 04/02/2009, -2/+10start another email campaign so that we can show our support to the spanish and to their actions against the war criminals of the usa
- cyberdork, on 04/03/2009, -0/+7So instead of supporting the 'socialist' government of Spain you prefer supporting the former 'fascist' government of the US?
- JohnEHubertz, on 04/03/2009, -7/+14YES YES YES - and I hope every country if necessary but us put him on an international manhunt list.
Just like I hate to say this, but even if MY son or daughter chose to fly it (and I don't think they would, but they aren't kids anymore) I WANT THE SPYPLANES SHOT DOWN OVER NORTH KOREA.
All this ***** is unconstitutional and ONLY by getting our We the People and WE THE EQUAL back will our kids get opportunity, freedom and jobs of quality. NO MORE
Stay home April 15th for Liberty, and visit bornagainamericans (not churchy) and you'll hear the killer make you cry music vid of all TIME Please people - I marched for peace and then saw MY generation turn it into piss cups and preemptive for-profit way - PLEASE help us.
John Hubertz, born in 1959 - two daugters, Indiana - PATRIOT - sheeplescareme, on 04/03/2009, -1/+6thank you, caferrell-
and at least one person sent the last letter! - EarlOfLade, on 04/04/2009, -0/+3Terrorism must always be treated as a law enforcement problem and not a military problem.
This is what we did in Europe in the 70's and 80's against RAF, Action Directe, Brigate Rossi etc. The military was just used as a tool to perform operative actions while the responsibility for the ant-terror were law enforcement. It didn't take many years to clean it up and it has never surfaced again.
USA will never combat terrorism nor defeat it as long as they continue to use the military. It's an inherently flawed way of fighting terror. - inactive, on 04/03/2009, -1/+4Thanks sheeple
So when are you going to start writing my dear friend?
I am going to bother you every day until I see the Manual ready to be printed or posted. - thegrantman, on 04/05/2009, -0/+1I suppose the Secret Service is just going to let a foreign agent waltz off with the former POTUS?
- EarlOfLade, on 04/04/2009, -1/+2When Spain issues an arrest for one of these peoples arrest, it will be sent out through Interpol and they may be arrested if they ever travel outside USA.
As long as they stay inside USA, they probably have not much to fear unless Spain decides to use the good old US method called "rendition" and go in and pick them up and then move them to Spain. It's not like USA is in any position to complain if Spain actually did kidnap these bastards, that would be the pinnacle of hypocrisy. - bluto36, on 04/03/2009, -3/+4good thing 0bama closed down Gitmo or he may find himself in the retarded court room of this clown jester
- inactive, on 04/03/2009, -3/+3It would be like whaen Garzón issued a warrant to arrest Augusto Pinochet. After a year and a half of houe arrest in England, the English House of Lords allowed Pinochet to go back to Chile for health reasons. (he was then 83 years old)
He was then trapped in Chile till he died a few years later.
Bush would not be arrested, but would not risk travel abroad. The warrant would certainly embolden Americans to file suits against Bush as happened to Pinochet in Chile.
This is necessary so that government leaders realize that they can be held accountabl for their actions - Lawofnations, on 04/03/2009, -9/+8"Universal jurisdiction?" Obomba, Bush, Gonzales, and Garzon are all members of the same frat: the British Accreditation Registry. In their masonic "Temples of Justice" they protect each other.
Personally I would love to shove em' all into solitary and throw away the key. - inactive, on 04/03/2009, -6/+4I think we should do an extraordinary rendition on Garzón.
Then waterboard him just for the hell of it. - NoLibertarians, on 04/03/2009, -6/+2NO, thinking he will is a pipe dream.Time to move on.
- thegrantman, on 04/03/2009, -5/+1Let's assume that the judge is able to get so far as to issue a warrant(I'm not sure what the Spanish equivalent is).
How the hell are you going to arrest the POTUS?
1.He was the Commander in Chief. His security clearance wouldn't allow him to be within a half mile of another prisoner.
2.Obama would pardon him.If Obama had any intention of prosecuting Bush,he would already be in the process of doing so.
I suspect that the only thing that would result from this to further tarnish his reputation. - poprocksandsoda, on 04/03/2009, -16/+3Well appreciated. Most of my whole family is from and in Valencia Spain and never liked Bush or the war, but say this judge is essentially a crackpot pulling this off to get re-elected. If you are dumb enough to believe that a socialist country with a long well-established history of torturing and murdering millions of people in every corner of this world cares about a few taliban who had water poured on their face I would imagine you are dumb enough to believe in the tooth fairy still.
What's life like in your little world where you actually believe GW wasn't acting within the laws of war to protect innocent American lives? You really do believe everything the European press has been pushing the past few years to undermine US world power. You do realize that you've been biting on the propoganda wagon from Germany and France now for over 6 years don't you? Ever since the US formed a unilateral alliance which flew in the face of the unified vision of Europe that France and Germany wanted to counter the power of the US .... they've been spending, spending and spending to feed braindead people like yourself disinformation. I would expect you love our country more than that to fall so easily for such non-sense. - poprocksandsoda, on 04/03/2009, -22/+6Anyone who supports the socialist government of Spain in running a witch trial against Americans is a ***** idiot.
- poprocksandsoda, on 04/03/2009, -19/+2Cafe, the policy of Spain being a decayed, third world ***** hole with an economy that isn't vibrant enough to support karaoke bars and scrub and tugs is the policy that works for me. As an American, you can take your 1930's Socialist beliefs and ride them all the way to 500,000,000 Trillion Dollar Euro notes to buy bread for all I care.
As for your policy of surrendering to Al Quada: why don't you just open up the borders and let the enemy come in and shag all your women since you're so busy surrendering to them. While you policy may work in the short term, eventually you'll find that being the neighborhood whore means that no real country will ever respect you again. Spain is the freaking Paris Hilton of countries; you'd spread your legs for anyone. I hope you enjoy being a part of that freak show.
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