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- bmcnally, on 06/29/2009, -11/+736There are many people who should not be going to expensive colleges/universities to get degrees - you don't need a degree in General Studies, Women's Studies, etc, etc. That's what this article is addressing (though in a sort of round-a-bout way).
However, if you're going to be an engineer, doctor, lawyer, or other highly skilled professional which requires higher education and brings with it a significant increase in pay over not having a degree. - Kinneas12, on 06/29/2009, -5/+369You keep telling yourself that. College is worth it to those who belong there. If you find no value, you made the mistake of spending the time and money.
- DocHoliday22, on 06/29/2009, -6/+336Most people that go to university/college don't know what they're doing. They go primarily because it seems like the natural thing to do as you age from being a school kid to an adult. If you know how to maximise a degree e.g. by working at the same time, studying the right subjects, studying the industry, studying on your own, social networking, gaining experience, skill and self-confidence then you're secure for a good job at the end of it.
Most students just follow the degree until it ends and then start applying for jobs with nothing extra and competing with people like the above. - NMRgentleman, on 06/29/2009, -38/+353Interesting (and long) article. On the cost side of the problem, the high cost of a college education is a case study about how you must look at the second-order effects when formulating an economic policy. The government's attempt to help make college affordable by making low-interest loans easy to get is a big reason the price of tuition exploded. Students started showing up with more money, and colleges were happy to take it. Think about that next time the government proposes taking a bigger role in education spending.
In fact, the government is using this precise same policy today - they're trying to make home loans more available with the intention of driving up home prices. - IrvineKinneas50, on 06/29/2009, -9/+289The classic "I know a friend who didn't go to college and makes more than me". Congratulations, you know an anecdote that doesn't fit the statistics. It is meaningless.
Study after study after study confirms that college degrees will earn you more money than a high school diploma. - Alphabet, on 06/29/2009, -8/+265this is a stupid article. A $30,000 and $55,000 worker won't invest the same amount. The article assumes they both only invest 5%. That doesn't happen in real life. In real life, a lot of your pay goes to bills. And bills are fixed and is not based on a percentage of your pay. The $55,000 worker has a lot more disposable income after all bills are paid, and, therefore, has a lot more income available to invest.
A $30,000 worker may only be able to invest 5% of his income after bills. But a $55,000 worker could invest 30% of his income. - Kojangie, on 06/29/2009, -4/+255Yeah, I'll just tell my interviewer that I learned everything I know about computer science & engineering on Wikipedia.
This article is stupid. - joejitsu, on 06/29/2009, -13/+243It amazes me how people get a useless degree and than wonder why they cant get a job.
- winmywii, on 06/29/2009, -0/+199"of course it doesn't help that she buys a bunch of stupid *****."
I think I may be dating your sister. - oboshoe, on 06/29/2009, -2/+180If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
- republicker, on 06/29/2009, -22/+196College is for doing drugs and sucking titties. If you don't like that then don't go.
- gamerbambi, on 06/29/2009, -50/+221The education system is screwed. Although college it's so damn expensive, a Bachelor's degree is the new High School Diploma. Most entry level jobs and simple jobs like Office Manager ask for a Bachelor's Degree at starting pay of $15 /hour. I hate to see that Seniors in High School get brainwashed with college propanganda, "If you don't go to college, you will stay stuck at a fast food place for the rest of your life." Don't buy this crap. I know a friend who graduated from High School the same year as me, didn't go to college, and works at a insurance company full time making more money than me. FML.
http://www.sodahead.com/question/23233/private-col ... - GoKings, on 06/29/2009, -8/+175Most employers look ask for a bachelor's degree as just a starter. I'm going to be a senior in college next year and just looking at most job applications it has a pre-requisite for a bachelor's degree.
Also, don't ever forget the social experience that comes with college. I've been such a changed person since coming into college. I've grown up a lot, I've become more social, I've learned how to converse with people on different levels, met a ton of friends, and I've had experiences here that I could never get anywhere else. It's something you can't put a pricetag on, and has been totally worth it. - seanrtilley, on 06/29/2009, -9/+176Awesome, now I have an excuse to drop out! Yaaay!
- pcgecko85, on 06/29/2009, -4/+153My technical degree got me a 60k job right after graduation. It was certainly worth it for me.
- Atario, on 06/29/2009, -0/+147"Most people that go to university/college don't know what they're doing."
Remove "that go to university/college" and you have an equally true statement. - Zaxcomp, on 06/29/2009, -7/+152The piece of paper may be useless, but knowledge never is.
- plaguepony, on 06/29/2009, -2/+138Unless you are an Engineer.
- freebase, on 06/29/2009, -2/+122Success != the amount of money you have when you're 65.
- D1CE, on 06/29/2009, -5/+118Dugg for enforcing gender roles. Impressive to have wifi in the kitchen, too.
- IrvineKinneas50, on 06/29/2009, -52/+165Only on Digg does an article about the merits of higher education turn into a free-market circle-jerk.
- markf3388, on 06/29/2009, -14/+110It's also for learning, if you are not a liberal arts major.
- cyberfreak01, on 06/29/2009, -3/+97This may be the dumbest thing I've heard all year. Going to college may not guarantee you a $100k a year job but study after study shows that getting at least a B.S. increased your annual income significantly and of course a masters and PHD also increase even more. And yes i know there are well paying jobs out there that don't require a college degree, my dad is one of them, however he went to a trades school and now works his ass off out and at 52 with arthritis in 90 degree heat doesn't sound like what i want for myself nor he wanted for me. And yes maybe in the first few years that one high school friend you know or your friend knows is making more than you but most likely not for long and they are usually the exception to the rule.
And all that being said, each college degree is not made the same. Liberal Arts degrees and say an Engineering degree obviously have two vastly different skill sets that are applicable to a work environment. And then of course going to Ivy Tech and going to MIT are also two very different educations and will be treated as such in the work place even though they may offer the "same" degree.
But to say a college degree isn't worth it is not just dumb but also irresponsible and very hypocritical coming from someone that probably has a liberal arts degree in journalism. Not that I ever had any respect for the New York Post but this washes any doubt that they are a rag and not a reputable news source. - oo7evan, on 06/29/2009, -1/+95Don't go to college to be trained. Go to college to be educated.
Society will always benefit from an educated populace that can logically interpret the problems they face. If you're not sure of the benefits of an educated population, look towards third world countries where corruption, AIDS, and low GDP run hand in hand with low education rates. - aphexcoil, on 06/29/2009, -8/+101College:
Benefits:
+ Plethora of women on campus, parties, beer, weed, etc.
+ Intellectual enrichment
+ More Parties
+ Learning outside of class (Networking, Social Engagements, etc)
I'd say that not going to college at all when you are capable is a missed-opportunity. At the very least, go for a year or two and network. I dropped out of college because of greater opportunities in the IT field. IT changes so much that by the time you get out of college, Freshman's will have learned more than you know the year after you leave.
I think the article is a bit slanted. There are plenty of great opportunities in college. The article also doesn't mention that if you do well in high-school, some or all of your college bill is paid for. I don't see that in their equations. - raustin, on 06/29/2009, -38/+128unless you want to be a doctor, scientist or teacher, a college degree is just an expensive piece of paper that millions of other people have... Give me real world experience, some common sense and a self-taught employee any day.
- CrazedLeper, on 06/29/2009, -2/+83@winmywii said:
"I think I may be dating your sister."
I think she may be cheating on you. - FearlessFreep, on 06/29/2009, -39/+120"Think about that next time the government proposes taking a bigger role in education spending."
Or a bigger role in *anything* - FordSVT1, on 06/29/2009, -23/+100It's the Internet in general. Everyone that knows what the ***** they are talking about is off doing something more important than posting ***** in places like this.
- TreatsTheBear, on 06/29/2009, -2/+78Or if the $55,000 worker is saving 5%, that means he's spending more, living in a nicer house, eventually raising kids in a nicer neighborhood with better schools so they can go to college, too.
AND he wants to bring standardized testing to colleges? Why, because they worked so well in public schools? - enginerd17, on 06/29/2009, -2/+77That's exactly what i thought, the average for my degree is starting 50K and ending anywhere from 100K up into the millions. I think this article is for the liberal arts majors working at starbucks.
- Pinkertinkle, on 06/29/2009, -5/+78Just don't go to a BS college for some BS degree, then you'll be fine.
- HubrisDeadPan, on 06/29/2009, -2/+71i ain't saying she's a goldigger
- Jaq524, on 06/29/2009, -4/+73If you're going to college because you think a Bachelor's degree is just the normal step between high school and a job, you're not really the proper candidate for "higher education". Degrees in Engineering, hard sciences, medicine or law are essential to their professions, but if you're not into learning and you go for a communications, sociology or English degree and follow it up with a low-level job that has little to do with it, you're doing it wrong.
- GodAImighty, on 06/29/2009, -44/+113Hahah like the NY Post says anything credible.
- richmomz, on 06/29/2009, -8/+75There's some merit to this. College tuition rates have been skyroketing while job prospects have been plummeting over the last decade. At some point the cost/benefit calculation of going to college gets skewed to a point where it's no longer worth racking up $100K of student loan debts to train yourself for a job which may not even exist when you get out. I know a couple who had over half a million dollars in combined student loan debt and mortgage obligations (on a house that is now rapidly losing value) before they even started their first day of work - talk about debt slavery!!
The bottom line is that college isn't the "no-brainer" decision it used to be for personal success - some people may find that putting the same amount of money into starting a business may be a wiser decision. - IrvineKinneas50, on 06/29/2009, -2/+67@mywhitenoise
That has nothing to do with going to college or not. Your sister is obviously just terrible at handling money and/or she got a degree in something with no practical application. - magicgreenman, on 06/29/2009, -9/+73NY post is crap, and this shouldn't have been published. This is honestly just an article meant to get attention (obviously).
If no one goes to college we will never move anywhere.
How about we skip elementary school too?? 12 years is a lot of income..right? - mikaboogerbutt, on 06/29/2009, -2/+65Thank you for clarifying the point. Technical jobs still do require the heavy schooling. Not to say that I don't believe a college degree isn't ridiculously expensive, but for anyone majoring in the sciences, mathematics, law, engineering, etc. I don't think this article applies quite as much. So far my friends who have graduated as engineers in the Bay Area have all gotten starting job offers at $80,000. Still... its so difficult to see all my liberal arts friends go out and party all the time while I'm stuck learning about homeobox genes and their transcriptional effects on morphogens responsible for axial patterning : (
- Drahkir, on 06/29/2009, -3/+65I'm getting a BS in CS. I'll be fine.
- NoLibertarians, on 06/29/2009, -22/+81It most certainly is worth it. The only alternative is too learn a skill, and many of those jobs are disappearing. It is easier and cheaper to get a degree now a days with so many programs and the huge number of community colleges. It may not be the college you would prefer, but most folks are realistically near a decent college
- lisaawesome, on 06/29/2009, -4/+61I wouldn't go as far as to say it's not worth it entirely. You just have to make wise choices about where to go based on cost and choose a good field of study. There are lots of idiots racking up 100k in debt for photography degrees sadly. For them no it's not worth it.
- bstew22, on 06/29/2009, -9/+62That's what happened to me. I ***** myself in the ass like my mom took away my WoW acount.
- Kate1240, on 06/29/2009, -15/+66That is nothing to brag about..
Go to college please guys, don't be stupid. That means women like me have to settle for an uneducated idiot with a mediocre job.
Think long term! - IrvineKinneas50, on 06/29/2009, -10/+61Only someone who has never gone to college (or someone who has gone to a terrible college) would say it's an "expensive piece of paper".
- bdbr, on 06/29/2009, -0/+50The very top graph in the article clearly pointed out that college graduates make more on average.
- mywhitenoise, on 06/29/2009, -14/+61Seriously, I'm 23 with 25k in my savings and getting ready to buy a house. My sister on the other hand is 29, still paying off her wedding, a car, and school loans when she graduated over 5 years ago...of course it doesn't help that she buys a bunch of stupid *****.
- markf3388, on 06/29/2009, -0/+44ITT tech does not count as a college or a university and your friend is a retard for dropping 80K on ITT tech.
- ell0bo, on 06/29/2009, -0/+43they always did have an unfair advantage. They could actually meet females in their classes.
- CrimsonFlash, on 06/29/2009, -3/+45For us Canadians, change this to a "University Degree."
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