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- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -7/+234It just seems to mirror population density.
- shinynew, on 10/12/2007, -3/+94Race | Death to total force ratio
White | 1.11
Asian | 0.23
Hispanic | 1.22
Other | 0.53
A. Indian | 1.1
Black | 0.56
The lower the number the better.
I was bored, Im going to get dugg down. - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -9/+65"blood for oil"
I converted my car to run on blood last week, so now I go straight to the source. Of course every time the police see prostitutes missing I have to relocate but it's a small price to pay. - aahpandasrun, on 10/12/2007, -9/+53remember: the first patriots were the ones who stood up to the government
- beelz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37age- http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/static.php?f=age.php
gender- http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/static.php?f=gender.php
race- http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/static.php?f=race.php - Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -18/+48@anicejew --
There will be many more traffic fatalities, I can guarantee you, unless AMERICA OUTLAWS CARS NOW.
Each one of those 40,000 traffic fatalities is (was) a real life, living human being with a family, friends, and a future. But not anymore. All for what? Just imagine all those bodies, they could pile up on your street. [ten times higher than the Iraq casualties' bodies].
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Don't get me wrong here, I'm very strongly against the war. It's just that I'm more concerned with the half a million Iraqis we've killed and the Shiite death squads we're training. The American casualties alone are not a reason to pull out, simply because they aren't very high for this sort of operation, and they would be an acceptable price to pay if the war wasn't pointless, mismanaged and futile. - Nydas, on 10/12/2007, -13/+36Wow, i didn't think so many came from the north. I was expecting a lot more to come from the South.
- Nydas, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27@ monergism
Actually its because most of the soldiers i work with are from the south. - Koopa, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27"So that means anyone who stands up to the government is a patriot? Your logic is flawed my friend."
No, your reading of his statement is wrong. There is something more to being a good American citizen than blindly supporting the decisions made by its government. Being a true patriot is about being committed to liberty and freedom, not obedience. - MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Seriously what's so impressive about this picture? Like sockpuppets said it just mirrors population density.
Statistics actually works... imagine that. - wolfzero, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21I'd like to see this data laid over data from the in-country deaths of civilians...
- Nydas, on 10/12/2007, -14/+26@ theblooms:
So you care more about the country's image then peoples lives? Well aren't you the patriot! /sarcasm. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23Blacks are dying disproportionately less than whites.
- JCSaint, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17I'd like to see this map overlaid with the electoral map for 2004. What did Jon Stewart say in 2004? Thank you Red State America for protecting us from ourselves...
- monergism, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Put up the traffic accident fatalities and I'm sure you'll see a similar pattern.
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -19/+29You think it's blood for oil to benefit *you*?
5 Year charts -
Halliburton:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=HAL&t=5y
ExxonMobil:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=XOM&t=5y
Don't kid yourself around, this war has made members in the administration, and people surrounding them (fellow think tank members) a LOT of money.
You have thieves in your office. If you STILL can't see it, I would get your head checked... - redforty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/static.php?f=typecauseofdeath.php
Almost 25% of the deaths are by accident (non-hostile). WTF? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Flint, Michigan alone is not enough to make any conclusion. For example, several of them are from Charleston, WV. And we all know Charleston WV is the hometown of Phil Pfister, 2006's World's Strongest Man. Clearly the Strongest Man competition drove these guys to Iraq to defend their manhood.
It's easy to see patterns if you look hard enough. - JoeMerchant, on 10/12/2007, -14/+23It mirrors population density, but also concentrates per-capita in poor areas (see Louisiana, upper midwest, and Puerto Rico)
- david76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Too bad they don't have a breakdown by socio-economic status.
- goofporter, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@theblooms
I really want to play poker with you Blooms.
I can count on you to bet an inside straight since you won't want those brave poker chips you lost to have given their all for no reason. - interg12, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14its really a shocker. there are tons of dots in towns where factories closed and offshored to mexico. check out flint michigan.
- Nydas, on 10/12/2007, -13/+21@theblooms
You would do O''Riley proud. No, it is not a simple question you idiot. First of all, what do YOU consider winning? Bush cant even answer that. Hell, according to Bush, we won already. Don't you remember "Mission Accomplished"? - JCSaint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7That's definitely sad but don't forget that each soldier might not have a spouse and kids but they probably do have parents. Most of these people are in their early twenties.
- Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I think this is the saddest graph of this series:
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/static.php?f=families.php - tbeehler, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16If that's the case, then why didn't we just keep it when Democrats were crying "Blood for oil" during the 1991 Gulf War? Oh that's right, because it wasn't about "Blood for oil" then or now.
- UCFMark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Actually, in context, "labeling" is the present progressive form of the verb. It's only a gerund when used as a noun, as in "Labeling is a pointless exercise."
- Koopa, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12"Let me ask you a question Nydas and homerj14: Do you want America to win this war? It's a very easy Yes or No question. There is no gray area. Either you do, or you don't.
Care about image? Not really, but DO care about winning the war. I don't want those that gave their lives to have given for NOTHING. Let's win the ***** war."
Yay for oversimplification.
The question isn't whether or not we want to win--we're the strongest and richest country on the planet. The question is whether or not we think the cost of winning (thousands of dead Americans, millions of dead Iraqis, billions of dollars wasted, and the goodwill of the rest of the world) is worth it. So yes, I want to win this war. No, I don't want to have troops stuck there in permanent bases for the next 50 years, taking increasingly high casualties while trying to hold together a country that is, lets face it, in the midst of a civil war.
Also, the sunk cost argument (soldiers dying for nothing) isn't valid.
"In economics and in business decision-making, sunk costs are costs that have already been incurred and which cannot be recovered to any significant degree. Sunk costs are sometimes contrasted with variable costs, which are the costs that will change due to the proposed course of action. In microeconomic theory, only variable costs are relevant to a decision. Economics proposes that a rational actor does not let sunk costs influence one's decisions, because doing so would not be assessing a decision exclusively on its own."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost - TheDeadlyPython, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Hmm. This didn't really suck the wind out of me at all, or "fascinate" me like the title suggested. It's really close to where people live, like the population density comment made earlier. Of course, it's a little off, but that's just 3000 people.
EDIT: Yeah, some others posted pretty much the same thing as I was typing. Oh well. - MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Ok, so you're saying that a couple thousand American lives are worth more than hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives?
Ultimately, why we're there is completely irrelevant at this point. What's done is done, and pointing fingers and whining isn't going to solve our problems.
At least we saved a lot of Iraqi's in the process. Oh wait I forgot. They're not Americans so you think their lives are worthless. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Car accidents.
The troops are incredibly open to attack when they're out on the road so they drive fast and reckless. Adding to the problem are the roads that are in terrible shape. Some of the major roads in-use in Iraq are still damaged from the initial 2003 bombing attacks. Too dangerous to fix them. When one of these vehicles hits a giant pot hole going 120mph it rolls very easily. (heavy guns mounted up high = high century of gravity = greater risk of rollover) - darkmule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Dugg.
Why do I digg? This map *FINALLY* represents the US Territories of this nation which are so commonly disregarded when they are the largest farms of the US military due to poor education and little options offered. *THANK YOU* for representing the US Territories. - Mu99ins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The differential between military deaths during the first Bush Admin and the Clinton Admin
and the present wartime deaths is surprising small. I was in a stateside outfit during the Vietnam War,
and we had casualties: 2 deaths: traffic accident and heroin overdose. People were wounded in training
broken bones and a missing finger. One simpleton was given LSD and that was the last we saw of him.
One dude came back from town having knifed a civilian. There was a huge Apache in my outfit who liked
to go downtown and find groups of guys to beat up. There were 2 riots at Fort Ord while I was there,
and a race riot at Fort Carson between the Puerto Ricans and the Mexicans. - Archos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Stupid. They were manipulated into war, on the exact same way the Nazis were created in WW2. And yes, for the very same purpose. To be sacrificed for the elite.
Look how they recruit the poorest people of society in the name of security: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qakhz7H3YmU
Statistics: http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda05-08.cfm - ArachosianDick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No wonder cons and neocons affix the title "cut-and-run" to liberals.
Titles are hokey BS to me. Reminds me of Packers & Bears fans.
US is in deep and all people can do is run. - gentlax13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think the states with higher deaths per 100,000 are the states whos national guard got sent. I know that's the case with Louisiana.
- garrettgjb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Site isn't loading for me.
- jaznova, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This was submitted almost a year ago, but I'm gonna post the link cause it's still counting...
Animated flash map of Iraq war casualties
http://www.obleek.com/iraq/index.html - MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7It's like the "Free Tibet" campaign. Everybody's for a free Tibet (the noun), but no one is willing to actually free Tibet (the verb) .
Talk is cheap. Actually doing something takes balls. - SpaceCadetMarko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm more concerned about all the Iraqis who have died or been injured because of American terrorism against their country, or who have been kidnapped, interrogated and tortured by American terrorists operating in Iraq.
Americans have a choice whether to go and commit vile, cowardly acts of terrorism in Iraq on behalf of their corporations. The Iraqis certainly did not choose to be illegally invaded by a rogue superpower and its shameful allies.
Americans, here's a tip - if you don't want to be killed by the Iraqi resistance, then don't go to Iraq. - senseigmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Are Congressmen FROM D.C., or the state they were elected in?
The D.C. population is about 500K, what percentage of that are in the armed forces? - MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10"No, your reading of his statement is wrong. There is something more to being a good American citizen than blindly supporting the decisions made by its government. Being a true patriot is about being committed to liberty and freedom, not obedience."
Agreed, just like being a true patriot isn't about "standing up to the government" just because it you read about it in a history book once. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4sucks the wind out of me?
more like was a boring representation of info that will in no way change anything - UCFMark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@sockpuppets:
If you had looked closely, you would see that the states are shaded by deaths per 100,000 residents, making some northern states buck the population density claim you make. - Tamriel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I'd figure that wouldn't be a huge surprise. If the labor jobs are gone then military service seems like a viable option if you're going to work straight out of high school.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I wish the onion gave free access to their old content. There was an excellent editorial where the guy argued that blood for oil was an excellent investment, because the red cross gets blood for free. Trading it for oil is straight profit.
- slothlovechunk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What are you talking about? The secretary of state in 1991 even admitted the war was mainly about oil. He was even unapologetic about it.
Oil is a necessary resource for us at this time in our history. It saves lives, and I think the gulf war was probably a good idea, if not only to protect these interests in kuwait.
I don't think it's so easy to dismiss the "blood for oil" comment, even though it has become a cliche. After all, that's really the only reason we even give a ***** about Iraq in the first place. So don't be so dismissive.
In this case, I really think it is only part of the issue, but it is at least part of it. - evhan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ UFCMark -
Are you ***** retarded? What makes you think the oil companies would lower their prices just because there's a greater supply of oil? They want profits, not happiness and fair prices for the American people. - Wolfboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3your math is flawed. It's about 16.5 percent.
487 accidental deaths out of 2969 deaths, data as of Sept. 2, 2006.
Perhaps you also were including the illnesses, self-inflicted, homicides (there have been a few fragging incidents) and other non-enemy-caused deaths. As a group, all "non-hostile" deaths do total near 25%. - ArachosianDick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@CCoe
Judging by an earlier post I'd conclude that MagicBobert would agree with you. As far as justifying our presence in the Middle East, just repeat to yourself "American Hegemony". It's about who controls the world's sweet crude reserves and the preservation of the US #1 aid investment: Israel. Screw what the propaganda says. What I am saying is common sense. Iraq is a chapter, not the book.
So, which would you rather have, "American Hegemony" or an end to "our way of life"? Your call. As much we all agree it sucks, at some point in the future we will need to decide at the rate things are going. Can we all agree that there has to be a better way? -
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