What is Digg?Sponsored by Travelzoo
Take Advantage of Ridiculously Low Holiday Airfares view!
travelzoo.com - Flights $52 and up for Thanksgiving, Christmas & New Year. But move on it now.
152 Comments
- anidal, on 10/12/2007, -4/+74There have been numerous instances of barbarism against women in Pakistan. A few years ago, a woman was ordered to be gang raped by the village council for a crime committed by her brother. And every year, dozens of women are killed (through acid or burnings) when their families are unable to pay their husbands' families "Jehez" which is a monetary sum to be paid during marriage.
It must be understood however that the cause of these crimes is ignorance, not religions beliefs. Jehez is an archaic concept which is against Islamic teachings which are followed by the majority of villages in the region. Similarly, mutilation of bodies (and stealing kidneys) and gambling are both forbidden in Islam. The perpetrators of these crimes have no moral or religiosity justification for their acts.
These heinous acts are cause by the lack of education in the areas and the immense amounts of power given to village councils in Pakistan simply because the government doesnt have the resources and manpower to police them. Something really needs to be done. - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+55I hope we can all agree that having a kidney sold against your will is a Bad Thing no matter which country you reside in.
- Roentgenator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+56I had to sell my tractor to buy my wife breast implants!
- sideshowRAHEEM, on 10/12/2007, -2/+46This article obviously is bias its doesn't even say how nice the tractor was.
/sarcasm - mickeyknoxxx, on 10/12/2007, -10/+50If I gambled my wife in a poker game, isnt that a win/win situation?
- kindaslow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42What kind of tractor?
- CenturionPrime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34khalifa, what on earth are you talking about?
- Kikinou, on 10/12/2007, -9/+37Yup, that's what it is. Just cultural bigotry from someone who just doesn't understand that the Muslim custom of keeping their wives in beekeeper outfits and controlling their every move. That's it, just racist imperialist infidel pigs, spreading hate based on lies and fabrications.
Where the F'CK are the feminists for this crap? - Harabeck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30Lets give you a sex change (assuming youre a guy) and send you over there. Then we'll see what your story is.
- SwissCamel, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32Jesus Christ, the guy needed a tractor! Give him a break....
- rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27that will be big news on digg pakistan edition.
- unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20This goes far beyond different cultures. This is slavery and it's not unusual for the international community to condemn it. Also, I'm pretty sure the women know that their lives suck, even if they've never actually been free. They aren't dogs.
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20@MicroKusa
So then it would be fine to have your daughter's ***** cut because that's "just the way things are done there" and we have no right to judge other cultures?
I despise you "multi-culturalist" *****. - Pilot85, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14What has this got to do with America? Selling/gambling people/'s body parts without their knowledge is ok 'cause it is a different culture?? Maybe. The victims obviously don't friggin think so, or they wouldn't have said anything, so no, YOU are wrong Micro. In so very many ways.
- creep303, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17"When Women are Property"...brought to you by FOX and the producers of "When Animals Attack"
- anidal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Lack of education means no schooling, madrassas or otherwise (madrassa = literally school in arabic, so it seams weird for me to hear it mean religious school). The majority of the people there are farmers and believe there is no need for themselves or their children to learn to read and write.
The problem is when youre not literate, you cant read law books, ethics books or even understand the quran. For many of these people, Islam is simply something that theyve been taught through generations. They lack the basic understanding and principles of law and religion and hence are prone to extremism and unethical behavior according to what they believe Islam entails, and it is from societies such as these terrorists come from. It is not the wrong kind of education but the lack of it altogether that leads to these heinous acts. - ryodoan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@MicroKusa yeah, we believe you.
Pics or its not.... oh nevermind....
*edit* you dugg this story: "Maria Sharapova - The Most Beautiful 20 Pictures" So.... Yeah, sorry if I dont believe you - guillermox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15But is it "up to America" if we want that type of behavior to occur here?
Is it "up to America" to decide to let in immigrants with a 7th century mentality?
Or, does everyone on earth have a "right" to come to America (or the West), and to bring their strange cultures and religion with them? - alex189a, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I can assure you its not worth wondering about.
- berwiki, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12khalifa must be from Insane-istan.
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13STFU!
You don't have to be a religious person to know that you are a complete douche. - RoflcopterFUEL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"plight of muslim women in pakistan..."
No, it should be "the plight of pakistani women." Well, that's also misleading, I'd also add "rural" as well. - dezpot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@mickeyknoxxx
"If I gambled my wife in a poker game, isnt that a win/win situation?"
Not if you win and have to take your pissed off wife and some other dude's pissed off wife home at the same time! - KiTchMe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Better than a plow that I got.
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8But we are all buck-toothed. It's all that damn crap they put into our water.
- elvenseven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Stupid spammer
- Disclaimer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Anyways that guy made an ill-advised deal.
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/03/ebay.kidney/ - Tarnum, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Lack of education... yes, but why? The schools in some Islamic countries teach only one thing - the Koran. Their ignorance is self-inflicted.
The religious leaders are afraid of educated people - and rightly so. They intentionally limit the education options in the smaller towns and villages. - powerclam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Different rules, that's just how it is?
Are you insane? - scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This is more of a Pakistan thing in general than a Muslim thing.
- bp909, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yeah right, culture vs compassion. Even the women in the article are disgusted, and go to the tribal elders. Saying this is a situation we can't interfere with is like saying we shouldnt stop someone from kicking their dog because they have been doing it their whole life. This isn't culture, this is oppression. And as for the US getting involved... its a human rights issue. Id def. be tempted to torch some penis if i lived over there.
- tangents, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Gambling is Forbidden in Islam so I'm not sure what the guy who lost his baby girl was doing or thinking for that matter. The fact is that because poor females don't get an opportunity for an education, they have to solely rely on their husbands. Also poor uneducated families stick to backward cultural practices that is not in compliance with Islam.
- sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11That's an over-generalization - like saying all Americans are buck-toothed Hill-billies.
- BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yes. The enlightened European explorers saw the natives' savagery and proceeded to show their moral superiority by raping, enslaving and exterminating them.
- kenjura, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It is downright un-American to believe that our concept of basic human rights.
Human rights are self-evident. That means that, even in the absence of human understanding or concept, the rights exist. They are not arbitrary. They do not vary from culture to culture. They are an absolute.
Human rights are inalienable. That means that you may not take them away, you cannot buy or sell them, and they are not subject to repudiation.
It is very much arguable whether or not America has the right, the power, or the duty to enforce basic human rights. But it is not arguable whether or not human rights apply to other cultures. Yes, they do. Yes. YES.
We are not the only country that "interferes" with other countries on human rights issues. That is one of the primary functions of the United Nations. Just because you live in a nation with liberties and plenty of resources doesn't mean others do. If you have not personally experienced what is to be born into a world like the subject of the article, then how DARE you say it is okay what these people deal with?
America was strongly isolationist since its inception, mostly out of fear of European imperial ambitions, but also out of contempt for the old world's practices of government, in many cases, rightfully so. World War I and II were eye-openers for us. It showed us that we can make a difference, and that the world was better for our involvement. And we certainly profited from the outcome--a world of democracy is more favorable for the U.S. as a whole than a world of fascism and communism.
The concept of defending freedom and human rights across the world is not immoral, but it is not perfect. It is used to justify our harmful interference in governmental affairs through Latin America, mostly conducted in secret by the CIA. It is used to justify wars of naked imperialism. But that doesn't mean the concept is null and void.
I'm not saying we should bomb people who don't agree with us. But there are more options besides "bomb them" or "totally ignore them". If we aren't willing to sacrifice anything to defend the freedoms we claim to hold dear, then we do not deserve them. - PatrioticKiwi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7>> another lonely fascist christain with cause of hate....
Here we have frightening story of a woman abused by her husband, and this is all you can say? How pathetic. - BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Pakistanis are not even Arabs, you damn ignoramus.
- PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6w00t, its always a good day when you block spam.
Congrats on your being my first block of today. - darthtofu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5regardless of religion, location, or marital status, this is a blatant violation of human rights.
check out the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html - akzidenzgrotesk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ foopirata
actually, islam itself upholds education as a fundamental human right and makes it the duty of all good muslims to see out information and learning wherever it can be found...
fundamentalists, however, like to ignore that part. much like the fundamentalists in any religion, they prefer their followers to be uneducated and pliable so that whatever they say must be taken at face value. this isn't an innately muslim problem, it's a holdover from a woman repressing tribal culture that has nothing really to do with the religion at all (they've practiced things like genital mutilation and honor killings and wives as property since before islam even existed).
talk to some american or western european liberalised muslims... you'll get a much different picture of their religion than you get from this sort of sensationalistic story, which, while certainly true, is only a facet. i'm not even a muslim (i don't believe in any religion, really) but after talking to some sane practitioners, i have a new respect for it. - ailieva89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4for some 'WEIRD" reason i dont find this article funny.....the fact that such brutality exists nowadays.....is pathetic...
- zephc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"What? Women are things." - Lee Majors (Seth McFarlane), Family Guy
- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Moral relativity is the biggest crock. Ethics are no more relative then physics or math. In Pakistan 2 + 2 = 4 and in America killing someone for a thought crime is wrong.
- LocutusB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I am a christian living in a Muslim country. I and the Muslims around me find this sort of behavior barbaric. It is not part of the Muslim religion and is totally due to ignorance and backwood culture. I am also rather pissed off at the insensitivity and racism of the comments given by supposedly *good* Christians. This shames me and my religion.
- NetJoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Christianity doesn't have an exclusive.
Buddhism predates Christianity by about 500 years. There is also the difficult truth of the crusades, and especially the Spanish inquisition. The advancement of technology in the west stopped for a few hundred years in the dark ages due to persecution from the church. The Romans and the Greeks before them were more open to debate, then again where are they today.
I'm not sure these examples have anything to do with religion though, this is just narrow minded ignorance from uneducated Pakistan. - Drifton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@Nickway
Ugh, yes you tard we know how ***** the world was in some places durnig those times.
Here is the point, you stated that Christianity is what made the world a moral place.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
Did you even read my original post? All the ideas you are claiming Christianity introduced were around AT LEAST half a century before christ, and they were in wide circulation. Just because the world sucked when christianity popped up doesn't mean it was anything new or unique. - WoodenKimono, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12She never would have lost that kidney if she hadn't left the kitchen
- CedEx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ dw2005
Unfortunately, these kind of people hidden amongst those that are normal and sane. - BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Heh. Nice! Christian emo poetry FTW!
- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So... it's possible to beat your wife into a plowshare?
-
Show 51 - 100 of 153 discussions
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is