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- hollywoodphony, on 08/11/2008, -12/+155I had to scan the url to make sure that wasn't a joke. Looks like the Cold War is back on.
- michaelpinto, on 08/11/2008, -27/+117I don't have a clear idea who started this (it may have been Georgia - it wouldn't surprise me) but one thing I know is that you can't trust anything you read by the state controlled media from Russia: Notice the not so slightly masked anti-Semitism in Pravda talking about "Israeli advisors" while making the unintentionally ironic mention of Hitler at the same time. What I have noticed is that it was quite strange that Putin was able to fly straight from the Olympics into a war zone and give a well put together press conference (not bad for a guy who "handed over power").
- grc586, on 08/11/2008, -9/+99The Georgians were very stupid to take the action they did, knowing the likely Russian reaction, but the Russsian response is way over the top. If they are seeling to protect 'Russian civilians' in Ossetia, then why are they bombing targets outside of that region? Why have Russian troops entered Abkhazia?
Unfortunately, having invaded Iraq on the most flimsy of pretences, the West will sound hypocritical in criticising Russian aggression here.
Very worrying, and I hope the Russians stop once they have occupied South Ossetia. Moving any further into Georgia would force the West to respond in some way. - michaelpinto, on 08/11/2008, -7/+90Dimanoff the western press was never clear on who started it so they didn't assign it to either side. The BBC is reporting from the field in Georgia where I just watched footage of them being strafed by a Russian jet fighter - this wasn't in South Ossetia but in Georgia proper. No one trusts the Russian press because they're controlled by Putin.
- HillerMylife, on 08/11/2008, -2/+66It's not a "Cold War" if the missiles are flying, you dummies.
- jorichter, on 08/11/2008, -12/+67Wait til the Russian bury squad get here and spam the ***** out of it. Linking to video clips and .ru sites as "proof" that Georgia is wrong.
I stand by it that no one knows what the ***** has happened, there is a conflict of interests and conflicting reports. So people need to shut the ***** up and stop guessing who shot first based on an article they read. It's not productive pointing fingers when people are getting hurt.
You will most likely be buried but I'll digg you up. - michaelpinto, on 08/11/2008, -6/+60From my reading it's not as black and white as what you're saying: Firstly Ossetia is inhabited by a mixture of people - everyone from ethnic Russians to Georgians - so not everyone thinks the same way there. Also the Russians have had imperialistic designs on Georgia since about 1800 and have repressed them pretty badly both before and after the breakup of the USSR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)
- BridgeBurner, on 08/11/2008, -15/+66Criticism of the state of Israel is not anti-Semitism.
- jorichter, on 08/11/2008, -4/+50Yes, but again you are from Russia. Don't you think you have a slight bias? Or is the Russian media the only one that tells the truth? Considering "Western media completely reinterpret the events" so Russian media hasn't? I'm not disagreeing with you, but you are being completely hypocritical and bulking all Western media together (so not just American media but all of it). It is a war, no one knows what has happened yet. So stop blaming others. And don't act like you know better than everyone else just because you watch Russian news. I wonder what the Georgian media has to say about it. You can't see this just from one side, or else you are the one who is "completely reinterpret the events."
- OwdenBowden, on 08/11/2008, -6/+51Czar Putin would never do anything to hurt anyone.
- dehaxor, on 08/11/2008, -12/+49jimmyc85,
I am russian
and you are stupid human if you believe only in "Official" stuff,
in every 3 official words 2 of them are false, remember it.
There is no communist regime or lobby in Russia, forget about it, it's just newspapers name. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 08/11/2008, -15/+48Wow. All Goodwins and thinly veiled Anti-Semitism, followed by appeals for nationalism. The only thing they didn't mention was the heady days of Sputnik and Yuri Gagarin. Not that I would expect anything less from the Russian media, which is all controlled by Putin.
- weirdo50, on 08/11/2008, -5/+36"the savage, brutal, criminal attack by Georgia on South Ossetia"
Mmm, propaganda. - grc586, on 08/11/2008, -10/+39Not the same at all.
Iraq invaded a separate, sovereign country, while South Ossetia is a part of Georgia already. - MasteRR, on 08/11/2008, -3/+32Wow. I hate to takes sides on something like this as it is war, but I can't even get through the first page of that without my Propaganda ***** alarm going off. That doesn't even sound like news and puts Fox News to shame.
- colincornaby, on 08/11/2008, -2/+28"And stop posting Russian articles as the non biased source of media."
The Russian article was posted as an example of a BIASED source of media. - inactive, on 08/11/2008, -2/+28So was it Han or Greedo?
- richmcl, on 08/11/2008, -5/+31Dimanoff - after a battle a winner can be called a freedom fighter and a loser a terrorist. The southern US states were called separatists during the American civil war, but I am pretty sure the colonies didn't call themselves separatists before the War for American Independence ( that that was was probably called something different by the brits). There is an expression, to the victor go the spoils. This also includes the right to name your war and what you called your people.
When the US was funding Afgan freedom fighters to battle Russia they were good people. Now those same terrorists attack the defenseless US troops that are based there.
WWII is called 39-40 in france (the years that there was opposing forces getting ready to fight and the battle itself) and people like me call it the 20 day war (which is how long it took the Germans to win once they actually attacked). - inactive, on 08/11/2008, -9/+32Not quite correct either.
South Ossetia is ethnically and linguistically different to Georgia.
Two referendum have been held since 1992 where 90% of the population voted for independence from Georgia. It's an American concept called Self-Determination
This is more like:
Indonesia didn't like East Timor voting for independence so they torched the place (Australia stepped in and kicked ass)
Georgia didn't like South Ossetia voting for independence so they torched the place (Russia stepped in and kicked ass)
Indonesia ***** up (and Australia was right)
Georgia ***** up (and Russia is right) - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 08/11/2008, -3/+25They didn't stop. They are continuing on through South Ossetia and advancing on Gori in Georgia proper.
- hydroplane, on 08/11/2008, -3/+25Cold War II: Georgia Boogaloo
- darthzaphod, on 08/11/2008, -1/+21From what I've read, Georgia moved into South Ossetia first, hoping to reclaim the territory that has broken away and become pro-Russian. I think this is because Georgia is trying to get into NATO, with the help of the U.S., and wants to reclaim the territory that was once theirs to bring it into NATO with it.
Russia, however, apparently reacted disproportionately, sending in heavy artillery and airplanes when it was clear that wasn't necessary. It seems that Russia just doesn't like it when they feel a threat of countries that were once part of their Eastern Block being taken away.
That's generally what I think is going on. I'd appreciate comments or corrections if I'm wrong. I've been trying to read a variety of sources to piece together the story, but who knows how well that's working... - executorzz, on 08/11/2008, -12/+31People are insane if they think Georgia is willing to invade south ossetia knowing the russians would use such force. Sounds more like a russian setup more than anything.
- richmomz, on 08/11/2008, -0/+19Bombastic propaganda language aside, this article does reveal some interesting facts that have been left out by the western media. For example, the fact that the 1,500 Ossetian casualties were inflicted by Georgia during their initial artiliery bombardment. Western media simply mentions that 1,500 hundred people were killed without indicating who is to blame, leaving the reader to assume that Russia was the culprit.
- BridgeBurner, on 08/11/2008, -2/+20This is in the EU's backyard; they're the new badasses on the international block so they need to handle it, not the US.
- Meatball01, on 08/11/2008, -0/+18It's fun to read your comments with a Russian accent.
- dakbonsa, on 08/11/2008, -7/+25My gosh,
Earlier this year, we had Chinese bury squad dominating here while screaming "Don't be CNN, watch our state news CCTV!"
and now we have Russian bury squad dominating here and linking to Russian newspapers (which are all controlled by the Russian government) saying that they are more reliable sources.... - Beastmasta, on 08/11/2008, -2/+20I like this website
BREAKING NEWS
- Georgia declares war on South Ossetia
- Explosions continue to terrorize Russia's Black Sea coast
- Prons and cons of vegetarianism - GonePostal77, on 08/11/2008, -5/+22Back then the world trembled at the sounds of their rockets. Now they will tremble at the sound of their lack of silence.
While the Georgians were a bit provocative here, I don't think the Russian's understand the meaning of a proportional response. Also, invoking Iraq doesn't excuse the Russian's at all. - asw0210, on 08/11/2008, -2/+19I think both Georgia and Russia are are lying. Georgia is claiming that Russia is bombing civilian targets and engaging in ethnic cleansing while Russia is accusing Georgia of burning people alive and committing crimes against humanity. I'm going to read news from both countries and believe something in the middle. The Russian media is very anti US and very scary.
- cheezwhip, on 08/11/2008, -5/+22For the record, no other sovereign nation (nor the U.N.) has recognized South Ossetia as an independent nation, regardless of whatever referendum they held. I could hold a referendum and call my backyard independent, but who's going to acknowledge that?
- cheezwhip, on 08/11/2008, -5/+22I'm surprised that they didn't get around to blaming Israel until the second paragraph. I figured it would have been sooner...
- cheezwhip, on 08/11/2008, -2/+18No country, not even Russia, has recognized Ossetia as an independent nation.
- Elite1789, on 08/11/2008, -8/+24Buried for being Russian source from a country where media is predominantly controlled by by Putin.
This is akin to a Chinese source saying Tianaman square was 'instigated' by 'warlike protesters'.
If anyone does not think that Putin is playing a clever hand, they are being terribly naive. Georgia has 2,000 troops in Iraq. By taking out the player with the greatest ties to the US in the region, Russia will send a strong signal about who the real force in the region is, and ensure dominance of a large portion of central Asia.
Does anyone else see how it is no coincidence this is happening when the Olympics start? World leaders are occupied, and news networks are already booked. All in all, a brilliant play by Putin, if admittedly another disaster for the free world.
Cheers,
-NM - dakbonsa, on 08/11/2008, -2/+18Now only if Russia'd let Chechnya hold a referendum....
- hashfail, on 08/11/2008, -1/+17Seriously, I'm tired of seeing Stalin's name here. Sure he was a Georgian, but he has nothing to do with any of this.
- yonoz, on 08/11/2008, -2/+18Here's a video of Russian peacekeepers keeping the peace by supplying the Ossetian separatists with Russian arms:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=35b_1213775894&c=1 - nuggsgalore, on 08/11/2008, -17/+33Doesn't anybody find it strange that when Hezbollah provokes Israel into war the world screams disproportionate response......When Georgia does it, the world says you should not be poking a sleeping bear. How is Russia laying waste to civilian cities inside Georgia any different and any less disproportionate?
- yonoz, on 08/11/2008, -2/+17So what are Russian forces doing in Georgia proper, 60 km from its capital?
- shig, on 08/11/2008, -1/+15Russia just captured an American merc.
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2008/08/america ...
Story in Russian from the source, Izvestia.
http://www.izvestia.ru/news/news185341 - AlexFyo, on 08/11/2008, -1/+15In any war both the sides are wrong because innocent people die. But if you want not to be dummy and eat everything that mass media feeds you, you should analyze all sources of information. In this case to understand anything in this conflict one should read both sides mass media: US and Russian. And remember that both sides prints its own "truth"...
- rayjitsu, on 08/11/2008, -11/+25Holy crappe. Russia's version of Fox News.
- OC73, on 08/11/2008, -5/+18dehaxor = Certified Putin Criminal Regime Apologist
- shig, on 08/11/2008, -1/+14Every side of this conflict is corrupt to the core. Picking the "GOOD" side is an exercise in futility.
- ChayD, on 08/11/2008, -0/+13It's quite difficult to do research on this skirmish when there doesn't appear to be any unbiased sources. The western media are blaming Russia, and the Russians are blaming Georgia. Any articles on sites like Wikipedia wouldn't necessarily be unbiased. So where to start?
- StGhurka, on 08/11/2008, -1/+13And the 400 Meter Freestyle Relay
- catcher6250, on 08/11/2008, -5/+17In my opinion what happened here was that George had always been angry at SO for breaking off of them. Since the United States had given weapons to the Georgians to fight in Iraq with them, Georgia now wants the US's help to fight SO with them. But if the US were to help them directly, the US might as well declare war on Russia.
This is also not including the fact that the Russians signed a peacekeeping agreement to settle disputes between SO and Georgia in 1992. Now Georgia has directly attacked SO, and the Russians are keeping their commitment by fending off the Georgians. - samdu, on 08/11/2008, -1/+12"they just wanted to be an independent nation"
Isn't that kind of the definition of "separatists?" - digifuzz, on 08/11/2008, -4/+15Move along, Comrades.
- BridgeBurner, on 08/11/2008, -5/+15And all eastern media outlets are in favor of Russia, so what's your point? The ***** alarm on both sides of this is getting a real workout.
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