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- booksnmore4you, on 06/22/2009, -5/+69Money before principle. Disgusting. But at least they are honest about it.
- zcharles, on 06/22/2009, -14/+64US government will be proven to be no different.
- dukeeeey, on 06/22/2009, -10/+55Why stop there ? In the 50's the CIA and MI5 overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government because they decided to privatise their oil fields. Can you imagine that, the Iranians actually having control of their own oil ?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594826360 ...
A few days ago Henry Kissinger called for the invasion of Iran if the revolution over there fails.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQ1iNHEGW8
I wonder if history will repeat itself. - inactive, on 06/22/2009, -0/+38Read the fine print. All Western governments have the same access and control of telecommunications as Iran has.
"Nokia Siemens, a joint venture between the Finnish and German companies, supplied the system to Iran through its Intelligent Solutions business...The product allows authorities to monitor any communications across a network, including voice calls, text messaging, instant messages, and web traffic.
"...But Nokia Siemens says the product is only being used, in Iran, for the monitoring of local telephone calls on fixed and mobile lines. Rather than just block traffic, it is understood that the monitoring system can also interrogate data to see what information is being passed back and forth. A spokesman described the system as "a standard architecture that the world's governments use for lawful intercept".
He added: "Western governments, including the UK, don't allow you to build networks without having this functionality."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8112550.stm - MacEnvy, on 06/23/2009, -2/+28If Siemens didn't "burn" for being the main supplier of Nazi military and communications equipment in the 30s and 40s, I highly doubt an Iranian coup is going to bring them down.
- sockpuppets, on 06/23/2009, -1/+22Because 1000+ people haven't dugg it yet?
- Joejackal, on 06/22/2009, -5/+25I invite others to not only contact these companies and share one's disgust with these actions in a calm, deliberative way but also research products and services they provide and make sure they understand that one will in every instance in which one can widely boycott the purchase of such products and services as well as divesting of stock in either of these firms as applicable. Yet again, I am reminded of a one of my favorite documentaries called "The Corporation". I initially viewed it on the Sundance Channel years ago. It uses the allegory of a corporation as a patient on the couch of a psychiatrist who finds their patient's actions mirror that of the symptoms of a guiltless, remorseless, self-centered sociopath with no regard for others and their actions as a diagnosis in many countless specific instances. Also, one of the most ironic but nonetheless effective segments of that documentary is a series of corporate symbols with their own popularly used advertising mottos without dialogue.
- fiftiesdean, on 06/22/2009, -3/+23Cisco did this for China. I didn't see anyone up in arms here about this.
- sockpuppets, on 06/23/2009, -1/+20I doubt the US government is censoring content, but I'm confident they're watching and disseminating it all. That was effectively proven when the AT&T San Francisco cloning room was discovered by a whistleblower.
- KirbyMeister, on 06/23/2009, -1/+16Iran is a hot story, China is not.
- borez, on 06/23/2009, -4/+19Title is hardly fair.. the technology involved is standard fair in large scale backbone networking and telecommunications, it all depends on how it's configured. You can't expect these companies to develop a completely new line of products just for Middle Eastern roll out.
- Coven, on 06/23/2009, -0/+14defined?
- Ymeg, on 06/22/2009, -6/+17Actually, they nationalized the oil fields that the west helped create, and which we had partial control over.
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/oil_nationaliza ... - mrsteveman1, on 06/23/2009, -1/+11***** Cisco. Happy?
:) - Junkyarddawg, on 06/23/2009, -0/+10Money before principle *is* the principle. That's how all major western corporations work. That's why they're helping china build the Great Firewall, help Iran get nukes, clear-cut rainforest, and trade in coltran.
In the US, especially among lolbertarians, there is a bizarre view that if companies are allowed to freely maximize profit this must lead to morally and societally beneficial effects. In the rest of the world, however, it is generally understood that if you _don't_ regulate companies they become rapacious and amoral. - oriondr, on 06/23/2009, -0/+9Encrypt your *****.
- orbz, on 06/23/2009, -2/+10I believe you misspelled 'Google'?
- mrsteveman1, on 06/23/2009, -1/+9That'll work.........
In the spirit of "too big to fail", i submit many of these companies are "too big to care" even if you hurt them economically in some way. - SpinningHead, on 06/23/2009, -4/+12Dont worry. The market will work it out.
/s - ZenMojo, on 06/23/2009, -0/+7...Um...Google?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google - ZenMojo, on 06/23/2009, -2/+9Actually, they didn't fully nationalize them. They demanded a 50% share of oil revenue, which is apparently too much for Great Britain and the United States to handle.
Not like it's a national resource or anything. - bugwayji, on 06/23/2009, -1/+8 Coming soon to Canada!
- Waiting2awake, on 06/22/2009, -2/+8True, but I think his point is that while it is happening over there is bad - but we can't do anything about that. It is happening here as well, and we can do something about it - but instead we are rubber necking Iran..
- thewonster, on 06/22/2009, -2/+8People do crazy ***** for money.
- Coven, on 06/23/2009, -1/+7information can be a very powerful weapon
- ptsuk, on 06/23/2009, -0/+6exactly and if it wasn't those companies other companies would have sold the same technology. Worst case scenario would be that pressure from "us" would have cause them to just purchase the technology from one who already enables it readily, like "china".
- Pyehole, on 06/23/2009, -1/+6And if you think that the same techniques can't be and aren't used against us, you are a damned fool.
- raptorlightning, on 06/23/2009, -0/+5He means that our government is completely controlled by corporations...
Or at least that's what I think he meant... ambiguous. - Joejackal, on 06/22/2009, -0/+5Additionally, the toll-free numbers for Siemens and Nokia are respectively as follows, 1-800-743-6367, option #3 and 1-888-665-4228, option #3. Siemens gave me a contact web adress regarding this action of usa.800siemens.us@siemens-enterprise.com.
- bdbr, on 06/23/2009, -0/+5Also it was pointed out in the article, this is "a capability that most if not all telecom companies have".
- ptsuk, on 06/23/2009, -1/+6Access D-Fined! ;)
- KirbyMeister, on 06/23/2009, -2/+7This is a bit unfair. DPI (deep packet inspection) is fairly mature - if Nokia or whoever else didn't sell it, some other company would. And if all the companies had agreed to not sell to Iran voluntarily, we would call it collusion and have the FTC investigate them.
- RogueGenius, on 06/23/2009, -3/+7I would love to have been in the editorial room of this republican mouthpiece as they tried to figure out how to spin this story. Do we report that the sacred 'capitalistic elite' don't give a tinkers damn about what happens to people as long as they make a but, or do we bury the story and miss a chance to stoke the flames in hated Iran.
Being Republican isn't all mindless. Sometimes you have to think hard about which of your mindless beliefs trumps the other. - Joejackal, on 06/22/2009, -3/+7Apologies, but the reply option unintentionially somewhat limited the intent of my most follow-up posting, #5, as far as I can ascertain. To remedy the situation, here goes:
Additionally, the toll-free numbers for Siemens and Nokia are respectively as follows, 1-800-743-6367, option #3 and 1-888-665-4228, option #3. Siemens gave me a contact web adress regarding this action of usa.800siemens.us@siemens-enterprise.com. - Ghostalker, on 06/23/2009, -1/+5What are you talking about? There was just as much discussion when Cisco helped China censor its internet. It was front page news for a week, even congress had a hearing about it.
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 06/23/2009, -2/+6Irrelevant.
That should have been THEIR business...not ours.
Instead, WE (the US CIA) went in to overthrow Mossadegh and install the Shah.
And we ALL know how well THAT turned out now, don't we?
It's truly sad to know that if we had just left Iran alone, we would never have had to create (and then remove) Saddam Hussein, etc. etc. Iran would be our allies like the Saudis. And presumably so would Iraq.
So many lives and decades wasted, because we couldn't keep our greedy hands to ourselves. - sulayman, on 06/23/2009, -5/+9How does Iran using western technology equal western corporations "helping" them censor internet traffic?
That would be like saying that Honda Motors helped a drunk driver kill someone because he happened to be driving a Civic when he did it. - MacEnvy, on 06/23/2009, -1/+5@Waiting
"It is happening here as well"
No it isn't. Not even remotely close, despite your constant paranoid rantings. To say that our situation in the US is at all similar to what is going on in Iran does an incredible disservice and disrespects those that are fighting for real freedom over there.
No, the 404th Fighting Keyboard Brigade doesn't count as the same thing as protesters losing their lives due to REAL authoritarianism. The alleged "cover-up of 9/11" is not the same as the media and communications blackout faced by all citizens in Iran right now. And the "crime" of having to pay income tax doesn't equate with a complete lack of human rights, no matter what the teabaggers might think.
His point is invalid. - bdbr, on 06/23/2009, -1/+5Because its sensationalism. Most western governments have this, and most telecom companies as well. The way the Iranian government is using it is pretty awful, but this equipment is standard practice.
- Fixhotep, on 06/23/2009, -0/+4I could be wrong, and I didn't RTFA, but i listened to this same story on NPR today. They said that they didn't set out to sell them this particular ability. It was just a small part of a much larger package that they bought. The larger package was something along the lines of a telecommunication system that was ultimately used to assist citizens there to get their photos and videos from their cellphones to the net.
In other words, it's like buying Windows XP and getting SMB or TCP/IP with it. - Grin23, on 06/23/2009, -0/+4the pen is mightier than the sword
- kd1s, on 06/23/2009, -0/+3Sort of how the telecoms in the U.S. were monitoring everything yet they got immunity for their criminal acts.
- iancgi, on 06/23/2009, -1/+4touche
- kanojo1969, on 06/23/2009, -0/+3This is not surprising or even particularly malevolent. The Australian government wants to have the same ability, and for all I know they already do. Same goes for every single government in the world, I wouldn't trust *any* of them if they say they don't have the tools to do this.
Even for purely diagnostic work, the network operators would/should all have DPI equipment.
You'd think people on a tech-heavy site like Digg would generally understand this stuff but I guess not. - PityDaFool, on 06/23/2009, -0/+3Fortunately, their technology sucks.
- warsongs7, on 06/23/2009, -0/+3Iran has also proposed trading some of their oil in currency other than the American dollar.
- darknephilim, on 06/23/2009, -0/+3Actually, I think it would be more like Honda knowingly selling their biggest and fastest car to a well know drunk. Something is bound to happen.
- Nielsio, on 06/23/2009, -0/+3Take the Google example. If they don't adjust their services according to the Chinese government, then they CANNOT operate in China and will be shut down. Would you rather want that the people in China have NO search engines?
Blaming Google is entirely nonsensical. You should blame the Chinese government. - bdbr, on 06/23/2009, -0/+3The article points out, they sold off this business "at the end of March, to Perusa Partners Fund 1 LP, a Munich-based investment firm".
- b00ks, on 06/23/2009, -1/+4I find it rather amusing that you guys sit here and chastise business's that infringe on peoples freedom, but meanwhile you upvote any article containing the word Iphone.
Here's a hint. AT&T knowingly infringed on your privacy, and I don't see any articles about how we should boycott AT&T. -
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