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- inactive, on 02/08/2008, -10/+132The White House & George Bush CANNOT MAKE LAWS!!! Get it? This is called DICTATORSHIP!!!! WTF? The United States Congress passes law. That is the system. This cannot stand! Is anyone out there paying attention anymore? This is torture people! How can we expect our enemies and those that will turn on us to act any differently? Canada has added the USA to the list of countries that torture people. What does this say about us?
- atheinostic, on 02/08/2008, -7/+90The 'defense' these people put up is simply outrageous: "We don't maim as part of our training. We don't mutilate. We don't sodomize. Those are things that are always bad."
Congratulations! You're only 97% evil. - Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -12/+65the US is becoming more fascist every day. We are not free, the media and most of DC are owned by special corporate interests. The constitution is being trashed. look at how Ron Paul has been abused by the propagandists. (who is
ron paul?) - inactive, on 02/08/2008, -4/+56What a f'n disgrace this administration is. I am so ashamed of the United States, worst president we've ever had. What a humiliating stain on our history.
- dood, on 02/08/2008, -3/+46"Tens of thousands of American Air Force and naval airmen were waterboarded as part of their survival training," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Well, the logic is clear. We waterboard our airmen. We don't torture our airmen. Therefore, waterboarding isn't torture. It's all so clear now!
Except for the fact that the airmen know they're not being killed and aren't being coerced into lying in order to end the (non)torture. - pintomp3, on 02/08/2008, -2/+43i guess we owe an apology to the japanese soldiers that were convicted of doing it to our soldiers.
- burntbeans, on 02/08/2008, -5/+45it's official, folks: we no longer live in a democracy. king george declares that torture is legal, so it's legal.
so madame speaker, is impeachment STILL off the table? - zappa717, on 02/08/2008, -4/+41"Justice Dept." how ironic. I doubt they ever stopped using the method anyway. Since when have laws stopped them?
- brjohnson789, on 02/08/2008, -0/+29Ho ho ho...I remember telling all my friends when the Dems won in 2006 that absolutely nothing would change. I was wrong; things have gotten worse.
- mikelieman, on 02/08/2008, -3/+29More to the point... If the TORTURERS *really* believed it was wrong, but still necessary, wouldn't anyone with honor and integrity turn themselves in, and plead guilty for their crimes?
I can understand the *immediate emergency* hypothesis... But subscribing to it, doesn't relieve anyone of the LEGAL CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR DECISION TO TORTURE PRISONERS.
Why should they get a pass for torturing people? Ok, they thought it was important. We think you being sentenced from the crime you chose to commit under those circumstances.
I have another hypothesis. That someone who non-consensually straps another to a table, and tortures them is inherently a dishonorable coward. - bearpigman, on 02/08/2008, -0/+24I propose a new law making it legal to kick politicians square in the nuts.
- justintsmith, on 02/08/2008, -2/+26They could be a re-incarnation of Hitler, it still wouldn't make torture morally acceptable.
Torture is disgusting, evil, unreliable, and a moral standard that I thought a modern democratic nation would never sink below.
Shame America. Shame on your justice system, shame on your government and shame on each citizen that does nothing to stop it. - stinkymonkey, on 02/08/2008, -4/+26Lets not all forget the lovely and talented Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) who voted for Attorney General Michael 'I don't know what torture is' Mukasey. She could of helped get us a real Attorney General. But instead, she said it would be OK and Mukasey would do the right thing.
Well...we all know our Attorney General is doing nothing about waterboarding or torture...big surprise.
But Feinstein is trying forget what she did by stating today - "This is a black mark on the United States".
She is such a.......well, i don't want to say. - Rikkochet, on 02/08/2008, -1/+23You could, except we're your largest trading partner, largest supplier of oil, and give you neat little maple leaf patches to sew onto your backpacks when you travel abroad so you don't get knifed around every corner.
- DigitAl56K, on 02/08/2008, -1/+22Waterboarding is torture, and a war crime. Even if CIA director Hayden says he was authorized to allow this to take place, the fact that he did so makes him guilty of war crimes. Please see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
As an example, the generals in Saddam Husseins army are still guilty of war crimes even though Saddam Hussein said, "Hey, it's okay, I authorize you to do these things!".
Will a member country of the International Criminal Court ever prosecute these people even after they have publicly admitted what they have done? I hope so, but I won't hold my breath. - Terr01, on 02/08/2008, -4/+23The "immediate emergency" theory, the "ticking bomb", is bull.
That's exactly the super-special sitation that presidential pardons are for.
If someone's not willing to risk jail time (if not pardoned) when torturing someone, then obviously their intel isn't good enough to justify torture either. - Gemfinder, on 02/08/2008, -2/+19ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT TORTURE IS A PISS-POOR INTERROGATION TACTIC.
Sorry to shout, but this just frosts my cake. Someone get the U.N. on the line, he's going to Den Haag if I have to drag him there by the scruff. - mikelieman, on 02/08/2008, -3/+20These idiots don't know the difference between consensual sex and rape, either.
- pagit, on 02/08/2008, -2/+19Waterboarding: Coming soon to a police station near you
"If it's good for anyone that isn't an American Citizen then it's good for Americans too" - adooga, on 02/08/2008, -2/+19I think it's time for Americans to stop talking about sharing democracy and freedom with the world. We don't want this brand of democracy and freedom, it seems so much like dictatorship and torture.
- wellyuk, on 02/08/2008, -1/+18See comments like that are EXACTLY what the problem is with the United States at the moment. You are so narcissistic, it's scaring the ***** out of the rest of the world. You people have real ***** problems that you need to sort out before you get any respect from the rest of the world.
You might be big, but you're not as big as the rest of us put together. - jhaitas, on 02/08/2008, -2/+18if it is legal, can fraternities then waterboard pledges??
no?? didn't think so....
hypocrites - Tuscanspeed, on 02/08/2008, -2/+17Let's just ignore the fact that torture does not produce reliable intel.
Let's just ignore the fact that absolutely nothing this administration has done in the past 8 years has done a single thing to make any person in the US safer from anything, let alone terrorists.
Due to how stretched our economy and resources are, WE CAN'T EVEN ADEQUATELY RECOVER FROM INEVITABLE NATURAL DISASTERS.
Torture doesn't work. At all. It only lets you hear what you want to hear. It doesn't let you hear the truth.
You sir, and absolutely unbelievable. - AndrewDB, on 02/08/2008, -2/+16And in other news: Our approval rating with other countries just continues to plummet.
It makes me so happy to be from the Americas. *Sigh.* - Napoleone, on 02/08/2008, -1/+15"so madame speaker, is impeachment STILL off the table?"
Yes it is. Because if we move to impeach we might hurt our chances of getting into the White House. Party before country, baby! - DanOnTheMoon, on 02/08/2008, -4/+17(To the tune of 'The Star Spangled Banner')
Oh, you see, we've been fooled, by the news channels' lie,
Our Republic is dead, and the sheep won't stop bleating.
So you thought your votes count, too bad it's been altered
by those folks at Diebold, next your freedoms will falter.
And the fires' red glare, treachery in the air,
Your bill of rights burns and the people don't care.
Oh, say, have the Commies already won,
At the hands of the Bilderberg Globalist Scum? - Lyanto, on 02/08/2008, -0/+12Considering their track record for the last several years, what makes you think they have any?
- Terr01, on 02/08/2008, -2/+14Sure, the Dems are being pretty spineless, but did you know the Republicans set new records for filibustering last year?
Like over 500% as much as when they were bitching about "an up or down vote!" and the "nuclear option"? - pintomp3, on 02/08/2008, -1/+13someone should waterboard his daughters and then cite the whitehouse's claim in their defense.
- jgzman, on 02/08/2008, -2/+14If you can justify torturing any person, then you can justify torturing any person.
- Napoleone, on 02/08/2008, -1/+12She's a ***** rat. They all are.
The Democrats and Republicans have both failed this country and we're going to see one or the other rewarded with the White House. This is a country of masochists. - dood, on 02/08/2008, -1/+12We can be way better than terrorists. That's a pretty low and lousy benchmark.
- inactive, on 02/08/2008, -1/+12"How many deaths have occurred at gitmo from waterboarding?"
That's the point. We don't know. Because the Bush administration is hiding it's war crimes. How many other places than Guantanamo Bay are we torturing people? How many Abu Ghraibs do we have? How many more Manadel al-Jamadi's were murdered by Americans? How many young boys were raped? That's exactly the problem. We don't know.
And please stop jumping up and down, waving a flag on top of that pile of bodies in New York. The 9-11 card is played out, dude. Give it a rest. - inactive, on 02/08/2008, -2/+13"the terrorists HAVE NO RIGHTS under our legal system"
Where is the "except terrorists" part of the constitution? I'll wait while you look. - tgc1, on 02/08/2008, -2/+12That's it. Just further isolate yourself from the world. *eyeroll*
- pagit, on 02/08/2008, -2/+12wow I should print that out on my daisy wheel printer and my Comodore Pet
- pianomahnn, on 02/08/2008, -1/+11Actually, Congress never passes a law. They pass a bill which is sent to the President for signing into law.
Just splitting hairs...I support your general idea. - afbase, on 02/08/2008, -2/+12Does this mean the entire the administration can be officially tried as war criminals under geneva conventions?
- DigitAl56K, on 02/08/2008, -1/+10To the posters who must either by ignorant or completely inhumane, please imagine yourself falsely accused by the Government of having ties to terrorists, or even having terrorist intentions. Now imagine yourself being tortured based on these false accusations. Think it doesn't happen? Think it could never happen to you? You better prey it doesn't, because the US Government does whatever the hell it likes these days and nobody bats an eyelid.
Waterboarding is illegal internationally because it is well recognized as *torture* almost everywhere except in the US. - zeitgueist, on 02/08/2008, -2/+11No we should reward the Republicans, who are falling all over themselves to say how much they support the policies of a president with a 25% approval rating.
(McCain pretty much only distances himself on the torture issue) - ApokalypseNow, on 02/08/2008, -1/+10The US said, during WWII, that waterboarding is torture. Now we are saying that waterboarding is legal. If A = B and B = C, then Torture is Legal, despite what Congress has done about the issue re: banning it.
Despite the fact that the claims for it only came from one source, I am more and more willing to believe that Bush said that the Constitution is just a "goddamn piece of paper", considering how little consideration he gives what is written on it. - whatthefu, on 02/08/2008, -2/+11The White House is well aware that waterboarding is torture. At this point they don't want to admit it to save face.
- Terr01, on 02/08/2008, -2/+11Is this the "pour water in their lungs" waterboarding, or the "wrap their faces with cellphane so they can't breathe and pour water over *that*" waterboarding, or what?
- genovais, on 02/08/2008, -0/+8Makes sense. Dept. of Defense used to be the Dept. of War, ya know?
- inactive, on 02/08/2008, -1/+9"libs love suckung[sic] the terrorists dick"
You should definitely vote Republican. - WuShuGuShuPORK, on 02/08/2008, -1/+9'nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.'
there's the 14th right there. hmm, i thought any person includes terrorists. - johnabq, on 02/08/2008, -1/+9What if your 'facts' were wrong? Innocent people sit on death row today and have been executed right here in the USA even though a jury looked at the 'facts'....wrong is wrong and no ***** about an 'attack' can change that...without morality, we are just animals, just like Bush and Cheney...I'm glad you aren't a liberal...are you a veteran?
- justintsmith, on 02/08/2008, -1/+9Oops, except you cant read minds so you might be torturing an innocent person.
Not like that would ever happen in reality...
Oops, it did. Alot. - djbon2112, on 02/08/2008, -1/+9Scaring everyone and making the good, decent Americans look like total douches.
We get it USA: you're stuck up and self important. Now STFU and stop trying to police the world. The cold war is over, are you just bored now? - inactive, on 02/08/2008, -2/+10Lets tie down George Bush and his daughters for an hour of water boarding and see if the opinion changes..
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