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- Bobombom, on 10/12/2007, -23/+314As always, I hope and pray that this doesn't start a racist movement.
- jstohler, on 10/12/2007, -17/+228Based on this information, Bush will invade Paraguay.
- anastrophe, on 10/12/2007, -119/+317@atdigg: "There's no reason to believe there's a "Hell" "
would you atheists just STFU. whether meant literally or figuratively, any non-ASSHAT knows what the sentiment expresses.
but the ever helpful atheists have to chime in and 'educamate' us about the 'right' way to think. - SwKninja, on 10/12/2007, -75/+257Enjoy hell, Cho Seung-hui...
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -11/+159"As always, I hope and pray that this doesn't start a racist movement."
I guess I am just naive, but I don't see how this guy being Korean would make me fear or dislike Koreans. I think I would be more likely killed by falling airplane parts than a psychotic Korean student. - Shuk, on 10/12/2007, -19/+140It sucks ass how this is probably going to be turned into a racial issue.
The media will blame this on immigration and video games (since he's asian, so therefore he must be a hardcore gamer /sarcasm). If he was white they may have just called him a crazy and be done. But as crude as it may sound, I'm thankful he wasn't Islamic/brown, or else the whole terrorist media ***** would have been conjured up and more stupid people would become even more racist towards a group that doesn't need any more racism. - simpleid, on 10/12/2007, -7/+122I read the Wiki on the professor that was killed protecting his students so they could escape, and it really upset me. He was a holocaust survivor and apparently extremely well educated and intelligent, and all his potential research now blew away in the wind because of some punk kids lonely emo depression.
I have such a high amount of respect for people who devote their life to science and education...
Such a sad state of affairs, with the kids these days, so much emotional instability and such. The human condition is sad. - TroubleInMind, on 10/12/2007, -7/+116@bobombom
Prepare yourself for the inevitable backlash against...English majors. - PharmaPhool, on 10/12/2007, -6/+97You have to feel bad for the shooters parents. Somewhere are a probably hard working mom and dad who strove to give their kid a good education, a head start on a good life. There is crying in S. Korea today... just sayin.
- kniwshmdcknit, on 10/12/2007, -28/+116I am an atheist, and I agree. This is not the place for that sort of debate.
- Hiki, on 10/12/2007, -6/+89As a quiet Korean student, I wonder how my day at school will be today...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+87"Korean National"? That's a silly way of describing him.
His family immigrated to America when he was 9 years old, and settled in enough to start their own business. It's safe to say that he has no loyalties to his home country. A better title for him would be "Korean Immigrant", since that's far more descriptive and avoids confusion. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -42/+121"Officials have described finding a March purchase receipt for a GLOCK 9mm [8] used in the assault[10] and note that permanent residents in Virginia may legally purchase firearms with proof of residency.
So he got the gun legally. Hmmm... - unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -6/+74This is a terrible cost to pay, but this is the price of a free society. The alternative is a police state.
As much as everyone wishes it weren't so; it is impossible to predict, or be completely prepared for these kinds of things without creating a society that nobody wants to live in. The best thing we can do is to stay alert and educate our children.
As an aside, maybe an armed administrator or student could have saved a lot of lives...maybe not. But the "unarmed victim zones" that are the school gun-free zones are certainly the soft target of choice for suicidal asshats these days. Maybe we should start there. After all, someone intent on murder and suicide probably isn't worried about the weapons violation that they are committing. - CaptShmo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+72Shoot people and get a wiki... seems like negative reinforcement
- Eryin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+64Oh great now Jack is gunna go blame star craft
- pyper, on 10/12/2007, -7/+63@mokkos
It seems to be a pretty typical reaction, he's lived in the US since he was 8 as CNN is reporting. But he's a mass murderer so the media and people want to distance themselves from it by saying he is South Korean.
The subtext of this mentality is "No AMERICAN could ever do something like this"
The same thing happened when a sprinter in Canada won the 100 Meter at the Olympics he was a Canadian hero, then it came out he used steroids and he was suddenly Jamaican.
You can’t have it both ways you either are or are not a citizen, it’s unfair and detrimental to a society when you start making excuses for the actions of people living within your community. - antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+60He is a hero. It is sad that he died, but he really stepped up to the plate saving his students. I pray for his family.
- Eldorian, on 10/12/2007, -39/+93@demortes
Some Christains may try to cram religion down the throat of others, not all. In fact almost every single Christain I know keeps their religion to themselves.
It's annoying to have religion shoved down your throat.
Just like it's annoying for atheists to do the same. - slapded, on 10/12/2007, -21/+73bush's speech yesterday sucked. he is a horrible speaker with no emotion.
- Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49I'd fear for my life to be honest. It's kind of scary to think what this incident will bring for his parents.
- slalomskier, on 10/12/2007, -6/+53He had a green card and was in the united states since he was eight years old. How much of your life do you remember before you were eight. It is society in THIS country that raised him, along with the members of columbine, and others. We cannot go blame this on Korea, or any other country.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+46This type of stuff is not only US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne_School_Massacre
Cologne, Germany - 11 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_Massacre
Montreal, Quebec - 15 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
Dunblane, Scotland - 18 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
Erfurt, Germany - 18 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting
Montreal, Quebec - 2 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre
Tasmania, Australia - 35 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strathfield_massacre
Sydney, Australia - 8 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Street_massacre
Melbourne, Australia - 8 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanterre_massacre
Nanterre, France - 8 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre
Aramoana, New Zealand - 13 dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre
Hungerford, Berkshire, England - 16 dead - mortbort, on 10/12/2007, -9/+50Why is digg so late in getting this to the front page?
Oh, right, "For Sale: One useless cat" was taking up all the attention. - khag7, on 10/12/2007, -41/+79I forgive him. Its funny to see how so many people talk about Hell (a place only the religious believe in) but don't talk about forgiveness (such as how Jesus forgave those who killed him before he died, and how God forgives those who truly ask for it no matter how many times they commit sin). I'm not pushing my religion on anyone, but to those of you who believe in God and believe in Hell, WHY ARE YOU SO HATEFUL? I understand being upset about this, but realize that this man was only human and obviously made a huge mistake. I forgive him for his mistakes and hope that if he too seeks forgiveness and is truly sorry for his acts that he passes onto heaven peacefully.
- mokkos, on 10/12/2007, -7/+41I am a Korean-American in his mid-20's who immigrated to the US when I was nine. It is highly annoying to see this man labled as "South Korean" just because of his citizenship status. It makes me wonder how much longer I have to face exclusion from the general American populous and media just because of my birthplace rather than where I grew up.
- str3ama, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39the only reason they list that he's Korean is to sensationalize the story, it provides nothing to the story but to trivialize the killer as an ill-adjusted member of society who was unable to integrate into society or university life because of his ethnicity of culture. This is probably farther from the truth and serves only as a cheap explanation because ABC lacks the proper information to make a statement of his intents...
Many students complain about going crazy during exam time, but this psycho took it to heart. And worst of all is that now video games are going to get more heavily censored and controlled....Jack Thompson will probably flip out when he finds out that GTA 3 has university in the game "OMG GTA 3 allows players to kill students in Liberty Campus"...give me a break.. - rdquelle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37"As always, I hope and pray that this doesn't start a racist movement."
My opinion of Koreans hasn't changed a bit, but I have to admit, I'll never be able to look at another psychopathic loaner the same way again. - ptsd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3232 people killed for no reason? stop saying that, douchebags there is always a reason...he left a ***** 23 page letter stating his reason, it may not be a good reason or even a sane reason but its there somewhere.
people...and the article as well, seem to be more concerned with what type of guns he had than the underlying factors that allows a person to do this...***** was he mentally ill or under any psychological stress, all we want to know was it a handgun? was it a glock? a 9mm or a .22? did it have an extended clip? was it legally purchased? what type of gun did he have, jesus ***** christ none of this is the real issue, enough with your bloodlust and your goddamn political agendas.
we live in a society that treats the mentally ill like *****, absolute *****. you want to blame guns or videogames or heavy metal and ***** else, just anything that disconnects responsibility from you and the rest of society. so after you damn this guy to hell, strip away his humanity him and call him a monster...you might want to take a look at yourself. - SteelChicken, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35for people who were already racist, this will be further fuel for the fire.
for those of us who aren't racist, it wont mean *****. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/wb/113323
14 minutes of film footage from some students who were nearby. I'm surprised this didnt hit the internet, but it took some digging around in hokie forums to find it.
http://latech.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2309793073&topic=2292&post=5637#post5637
Live, updated list of deceased, from VaTech students, on facebook:
Ryan Clark
Henry Lee
Leslie Sherman
Mary Read
Emily Hilscher
Dr. GV Loganathan
Juan Ortiz
Jarrett Lane
Jamie Bishop
Kevin Granata
Prof. Liviu Librescu
Maxine Turner
Reema Samaha
Daniel Perez
Caitlin Hammaren
Brian Bluhm
Matt La Porte
These guys have facebooks, livejournals, everything.. spend some time and find out what their final, fleeting thoughts were. The internet preserves all.
http://www.memory39.com/
This is Jamie Bishop's website, a photographer who was killed that day. It's so sad that humanity has lost such a person.
I hope you can all research who these people were. May they live forever, if only in memory. - RubMe4Luck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34This will have an enormous impact on the quiet who keep to themselves!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35What did the rest of the note say?
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+34Do you mean north or south...I would think the starving people in north Korea would be ok with being liberated.
- XStatic, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33omgwtfroflmaox2
>So he got the gun legally. Hmmm...
And apparently kept it on campus illegally... - Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23You just don't understand what fear can do to you. Trust me, you can say and talk all this crap about you'd rush the shooter and die for your country but if and when it came down to it, you'd be speaking an entirely different story. When you're put in this type of situation, you cannot predict how you'll act. Trust me. It's an entirely different ball game.
My honest opinion is that I'd be scared ***** (I'm being honest). I'd be wanting to comply with the shooter's commands so that I can make it out to see my family another day.
It's an entirely different ballgame when you're dead center facing a gun man and he is about to pull the trigger. You can type all that big talk but when it actually comes down to it, they're two different beasts and I hope you realize that. - johnwyles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24""Ismail," or a version of it "Ishmael" is also the name by whichh the narrator of Mobey Dick wants to be called. The shooter was an English Major, after all."
"I believe "Ismail ax" is a warped reference to the old testiment/koran story of Ismail, the son of Ibrahim. As I understand the story goes in the Muslim faith, Ibrahim, after recieving the truth from Allah, entered a temple in Babylon with an ax and destroyed the stone and wooden idols worshipped by people. If I had to guess, I'd say that the Va. Tech killer used the term "Ismail Ax" as a statement that he was carrying out his own sick view of the truth. I venture to guess that his use of the term are nothing more than the ravings of a madman; it certainly had nothing of substance to do with the Muslim faith."
"The name Ishmael has come to symbolize orphans, exiles, and social outcasts—in the opening paragraph of Moby-Dick, Ishmael tells the reader that he has turned to the sea out of a feeling of alienation from human society."
"But there, my dear! that boy has slipped out, and is cutting the wood; I'll go and do it for him," said Reuben, as the sound of Ishmael's ax fell upon his ears.
Reuben's words proved true. It was a "bad job." Severe study, mental excitement, disappointment and distress had done their work upon his extremely sensitive organization, and Ishmael was prostrated by illness."
Collected from the comments in this posting: https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=33028497&postID=8424005722048093185
Please do not turn this into a Muslim / Islamic thing because it most likely is not. - TroubleInMind, on 10/12/2007, -13/+35or Virginia.
- OUberLord, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Sure, I'll do that. Hmm let's see, my life sucks. Maybe I should talk to someone. Seek professional help. Talk to my parents.
Nope, "Shoot up a school and kill nearly three dozen complete strangers" doesn't quite get on-board the logic train. Sometimes life sucks, and sometimes it sucks worse. But seriously, how can anyone sympathize with someone after they pull something like this? By doing so any sympathy society should have on him is null and void and is better off spent in helping any other troubled individuals.
But sympathy for him? No way. - eleventybillion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Why should this give Koreans a bad name?
Was he acting as an agent of the Republic of South Korea? No.
I think this will give University security departments a worse rep. - ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -19/+39So what if he's Korean. How is that relevant? Or is Korea the next country on the list to be "liberated"?
- Eryin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Bah the news channels can't tell the difference.
- mrlost117, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I wish we could get the full note he left instead of a couple excerpts being broadcasted
- Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17True, but that is a very personal process. When you try to "make" people forgive, it comes off as condoning the massacre of innocents.
Forgiveness isn't saying "Oh, that's too bad. I'm sure he was a nice guy." It's saying, "I'm not going to spend my life hating because you screwed up. I'd rather try to help the families involved, and prevent this from happening again." - OUberLord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Except, you know, he's an entirely different person than the killer.
- pokemogu, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25So will this fact arouse biases against the CJK Asians? (Like the Arabs)
- mokkos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15@veritate
oh, and to answer your question, there's many first generation Korean-American parents who do not apply for citizenship for various reasons. Some of my K-AM friends who shares similar immigration background as I have citizenship because their parents got it, some don't. Despite citizenship status, it doesn't change the fact that we all grew up in the United States as Americans rather than Koreans. - mokkos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14@BeyondGoodnEvil
My "homeland" is United States of America. This is where I live and contribute to society. I really have no ties to my birthplace anymore other than the fact that I was born there. Korean and Japanese immigration policy are of no concern to me. While you do bring up a legitimate point that Korea and Japan is highly homogeneous, they too are dealing with minority rights (unethical treatments of Chinese laborers in Korea and Former Koreans discrimination in Japan) but on a smaller scale than America. - Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13You might want to check that again. Especially considering there's a post from TODAY.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15there's been a lot of speculation about the motives of the killer going around on the internet, all the amateur armchair detectives are working full-time using wikipedia and facebook as their tools
personally id wait a few days to read about the real truth -
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