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- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -84/+182How proud Israelis must be of their big strong "defense" forces who steal from orphaned little girls.
Typical Israel.
Disgusting. - americangoy, on 05/12/2008, -14/+93Ah, I feel the love in this thread :-)
For the record, people who criticize Israel and its policies are not necessarily Hamas supporters.
Thought I should clear that up.... - madfrogurt, on 05/12/2008, -33/+83Can someone please explain why an organized, well financed army would enter a civilian orphanage to loot sewing machines? Do all of you anti-Israel people really think they organized a raiding party for tables? Where they there just to screw with the local populous then? Why didn't they kill a few orphans while they were at it then? It just seems that if you're going to run a genocide against the Palestinian people, you could do a better job.
Do you think that maybe, just maybe, there was a chance that the orphanage was a front for a terrorist organization? I think it can be universally agreed that Palestinian terrorist organizations have used civilian fronts before, and like I said, I don't think raiding an orphanage for sewing machines is economically sound. - inactive, on 05/12/2008, -11/+49Damnit... If I take Israel's side, I'm a Zionist. If I take Palestine's side, I'm an antisemite. If I suggest both sides should just shut the ***** up and learn to live with each other, I'm a antisemitic Zionist.
- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -36/+74No doubt yonoz, foopirata, hadees and company will come along any minute now and tell us they were sawing that table in half in order to find hidden weapons caches and secret tunnels through which food and fuel - errr...I mean "bombs" - are smuggled.
- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -10/+46Screw them. Screw both sides. Just keep ***** looking for a reason to retaliate against each other. Both sides want to pretend that they're somehow innocent, that they were provoked, while both sides keep provoking. When the ***** will anyone see that this isn't a case of good guys vs. bad guys, at least not in the traditional sense. The good guys here are the average citizens, the ones on both sides who just want to live in peace. The bad guys here are the extremists who can't accept the idea of peace and must constantly keep looking for something else to be pissed off about.
- jaymzdean, on 05/12/2008, -48/+80Ah....Zionism.
The Jewish KKK. - neocognitism, on 05/12/2008, -44/+76It is a testament to the broken nature of our MSM that this story is not headlining all over the country.
This is completely indefensible atrocity against ORPHANS, and thoroughly covered over two months with video and photo evidence.
The islamic orphanage has no connection whatsoever to Hamas, and represents the IOF's attempts to destroy Islam among the Palestinians, a blatant genocidal and anti-Islam hateful act, and completely illegal under the Geneva Conventions, and numerous UN resolutions. - ad33lshahid, on 05/12/2008, -19/+49give me a break, is jimmy carter a bigoted anti-semite too for talking to hamas? just because you throw around hte word hamas supporter doesn't make it any worse than being a supporter of israel.. they are democratically elected whether you like it or not-- israel needs to get off its high horse and realize that a two-state solution NEEDS to involve *gasp* TWO states.. and that begins with talking to the other side.
- megamike23, on 05/12/2008, -12/+32yeah israel should just fire rockets blindly at them next time, because firing rockets is acceptable
- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -33/+54fabric bombs....very deadly!...i think they were using the racks to make giant slingshots to lob pillows at the IOF!...refute that CAMERA boys...
- flossdaily, on 05/12/2008, -55/+82So, just so we're clear here:
#1) No one was injured or killed.
#2) The circumstances of the raid are completely unknown.
#3) The pictures are grainy and the nationality of the soldiers, the location of the raid, and any detail of activity is completely speculative.
Yeah, sounds like you guys have made your case. Israel is the devil. Lets start building us some concentration camps. - inactive, on 05/12/2008, -20/+39Ahh he's playing the Hitler card.
Intellectual Checkmate. Argument over. Israel wins! - inactive, on 05/12/2008, -36/+55There's more here;
http://digg.com/world_news/Israeli_Army_Loots_a_Pa ...
http://digg.com/world_news/MONSTROUS_Israeli_Army_ ...
http://digg.com/world_news/Another_Hebron_Raid_Fur ... - inactive, on 05/12/2008, -4/+21There are many Palestinians who wish desperately for the violence to end, just as there are many Israelis who wish desperately for the violence to end. The real problem is that the extremists on both sides insist that only more violence will bring an end to the violence.
- elamr, on 05/12/2008, -6/+26Sometimes I wonder if there is any truth in that part ot the world anymore. Seems like theres only thousands of years of religious hate, revenge and resentment. Why are we in the middle east at all? We should not support Saudi Arabia, Palestine OR Isreal. We should support the American people.
- ArchieAndrews, on 05/12/2008, -8/+25All this and much, much more on next week's episode of "Only One Side of the Story!". Tune in!
- yumlum, on 05/12/2008, -14/+31shame
- MsAntiSunshine, on 05/12/2008, -13/+29If you supported Palestinians, you would turn away from support of Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization that encourages "martyrdom" in Palestinian citizens. They are extremists who target even hospitals and schools. Because of them, Israelis have to search ambulances before admitting them to the hospital due to ambulance hijackings carried out by Hamas. They have even been known to create children's programming telling Palestinian children to kill themselves for Allah.
But. You know. Raiding an orphanage is way worse. - MewTwo, on 05/12/2008, -10/+26You ***** dumbass, it is COMPLETELY your business. Who do you think is providing arms for Israel?
We're Americans, USA is involved in EVERY goddamn 3rd world conflict and has done EVERYTHING wrong, so we need to care. Know what the ***** your government is doing in your name. - zombo, on 05/12/2008, -8/+25This is the same orphanage that's part of the Charitable Islamic Society of Hebron which is run by senior members of Hamas and not so long ago featured on the BBC documentary "Faith Hate and Charity", one of their goals was to "plant the love of death and the love of martyrdom in the Islamic nation". Cry me a ***** river.
- AhniTipesh, on 05/12/2008, -10/+26Yup, cause all of us zionists just seem normal, but secretly hold club meetings, plot our next arab lynching, and than go burn a jewish star on someones lawn.
- keyme, on 05/12/2008, -8/+26I'm ashamed. I hope for a reasonable explanation, but I don't think I'm going to hear it.
Soon I'll join IDF myself, hopefully though, I won't have to do or put up with anything of the kind.
To the IDF's defense, I can see no reason for the army to loot sewing machines. Some reasonable explanation has to exist... - endoccupation, on 05/12/2008, -19/+34Israel's 2 defense PR strategies.
1) We are conducting an investigation--which never has a conclusion and fades from the media, or
2) Militants were storing weapons there
Either way Israel continues to get away with murder - tman84, on 05/12/2008, -18/+33I'm just waiting for the people to start crying Anti-Semetic. Because talking bad about Israel means you hate Jews
- flossdaily, on 05/12/2008, -3/+15not the only attempted genocide. The turks tried to wipe out the Armenians for example.
- Liam76, on 05/12/2008, -14/+29Is there any proof they are Israelis soilders, any proof of where it happened, etc? All we have is grainy film of some guys chopping up tables.
- adamintoronto, on 05/12/2008, -10/+20countless times in the past hamas has fired ketusha rockets from schools, and social service buildings clearly making it almost impossible to fire on these terrorists without hurting civilians. but instead of looking at those instances, lets all watch in anguish as a few tables are destroyed..
- flossdaily, on 05/12/2008, -8/+19No, I'm not. But thanks for playing.
Actually I'm an American, and a Liberal, and an Obama supporter.
I'm one of those rare Liberals that actually bothered to learn about Israeli history instead of just repeating the crap that I hear in chat rooms. - dkapuchino, on 05/12/2008, -6/+16Dugg down by mistake.
The palestinians have been known to fake videos and photographs, such as the "Mass burial" in Jenin, where you suddenly see the dead standing up, walking a few meters away, and then playing dead again. - inactive, on 05/12/2008, -10/+23How do you figure?
Is this REALLY out of character for leadership that sends tanks into refugee camps?
I know don't want to believe it, but pretending this isn't par for the course is asinine. - InfamousAtheist, on 05/12/2008, -10/+18Watch out, the zionists are going to come out of the woodwork to label you an anti-semite unless you fall in line, stop with the criticism, and start supporting the murder of orphaned children.
- dkapuchino, on 05/12/2008, -6/+14Let's answer it one by one.
Why would the Arabs want to fight with the Israelis over a strip of land that is so small, you can't even spot it on a map, when the entire arab world is thousands of times bigger than that?
Why would Palestinians use those roads to transport gunmen and weapons?
Why would Palestinian women strap bombs on their stomachs, and tell Israeli soldiers they're pregnant? http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Security/120 ...
Why would Palestinians send 15 year olds(!!!!!!!) to blow themselves up in Israeli malls?
http://www.teachkidspeace.org/doc1020.php
Why would they teach hatred and that all jews should be killed to 8 year olds?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tomorrow ...
Why would they accept a truce offer from Hamas, that they clearly state is only for one year, after which the will resume killing Israelis? (During this time, they will mostly use the calm to booby trap every ally, and smuggle weapons).
Why would they refuse building permits to Israeli Jews and bulldoze their homes? There's a reason building permits were invented. They apply to Jews as well as they apply to Arabs. If anything, the Israeli government has destroyed more Jewish Illeagly built homes then they ever destroyed Arab homes.
You definitely can write to the Israeli Defense Ministry. They'd be glad to supply you with all the evidence collected over the years on how the Hamas and the Palestinian Authority have been cynically using civilians as human shields, just so they can get a few "good" pictures in to the news. - TechyLah, on 05/12/2008, -22/+32Stupid diggers are SO naive! You support the group that rockets civilians every day, dances in the streets when someone gets killed, gives out candy to celebrate, and outwardly declares and teaches its hate and unwillingness to live and let live, and uses ambulances, hospitals, schools, and yes orphanages as terror centers in order to reduce the retaliation since they know their "enemy" is a humanitarian and empathetic entity to all life.
This "enemy" is forced to defend its citizens when all it wants to do is live in peace. It allows Arabs everywhere. The first group insists the land it wants (and it never owned) to be free from Jews (Judenrein).
And you digg people for the most part are taken in and buy their PR crap.
Shame on you! Israel are the good guys, if you can think clearly. Electricity? Still provided by Israeli power lines EVEN when Arab rockets kill civilians (today).
Does anyone have to ask what the Gazans would do if it were THEIR power plant that provided electricity for Israelis? ROFL if it weren't so sad and true!
Think, people. - klasikahl, on 05/12/2008, -3/+11Oh Jenin was hilarious. The UN even came in and inspected and found deaths in dozens, if I recall correctly, of which almost all were confirmed terrorists.
- Tangaroa, on 05/12/2008, -16/+25@Herkimer56: Sabbah was banned from Daily Kos for being too much of a Hamas propagandist. That is pretty hard to do given how popular Hamas is as a "legitimate resistance" / "peace activist" movement over there.
- j0c1f3r, on 05/12/2008, -3/+121/isreal does something horrible
2/claim anyone that bashes them an anti-semite
3/compare them to hitler
4/claim they are insane like hitler
5/win argument......
the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making everyone believe that he doesn't exist - flossdaily, on 05/12/2008, -1/+8yeah. Hitler used the Turk's Armenian genocide as a model for his own.
- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7Like Hamas has the money to pay these guys hahahah That was a good one - gotta remember it
One of the common tricks in propaganda is to accuse the other side of exactly what you are guilty of before they can accuse you, thereby weakening the coming accusation
How much does AIPAC or CAMERA pay YOU? - zolthar, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7If you are against Israel it doesn't make you Anti-Semite,
As there are plenty of Jews against Israel's policy, including Israeli citizens at the government's left wing opposition - how can they be Anti-Semite?
If the Arab culture had it's own left wing of relative political power, it could help a lot. - neocognitism, on 05/12/2008, -14/+25Your unending defense of that sociopathic astroturfing tool proves you have a connection to its operation.
- inactive, on 05/12/2008, -15/+21@hadees How about the brave lads that rain death from the skies on the heads of women and children?
- punkcat, on 05/12/2008, -3/+9yeah the article is incredibly one sided. i kept scanning for information on why and couldn't find any.
also they use the term "loot" which would imply stealing but obviously its a group of soldiers wouldn't try their hand at smuggling for some sewing machines.
i also found it disturbing that an orphanage would have the makings for a sweat shop on the first floor. - jessehadden, on 05/12/2008, -4/+10Let me get this straight... after all of the forced displacement, the massacres, the collective punishment, the war crimes, and the violations of international law... you're going to play the "it's inconceivable" card?
- Infidelcastr0, on 05/12/2008, -3/+9You made three very good points and then went and ruined it with the usual "OMG ANTISEMITISM!" crap. People have a right to question Israel's actions (just as you have a right to defend them). Especially considering how much money we give to Israel. Go right ahead and argue your case, it's good that you do so, but please, stick to the facts, not ridiculous accusations of bigotry.
- marksism, on 05/12/2008, -9/+16Hamas refuses to accept 2 states. They don't want Israel to exist at all. So, tit for tat.
- ad33lshahid, on 05/12/2008, -1/+7Has Israel been willing to recognize that its squatting on Palestine for the past 60 years? No. Just because you elect a terrorist organization that murders Palestinian womena nd children, doesn't mean the Palestinians have to recognize them. You see it works both ways. The only difference is, one state lives in peace and comfort whereas the others live in poverty and squalor. Who do you think has the most to gain from a peace process?
Israel is all about creating an ethnically Jewish state, they dont want palestinians there and they want all the neighboring arab countries to accept them as refugees. But the palestinians have a right to their land which they lived on BEFORE the israelis arrived (contrary to what your zionist propaganda will tell you). Read "the ethnic cleansing of Palestine" by Ilan Pappe, a Jewish and Israeli professor that currently teaches in Israel.
Just because you are Jewish does not mean you need to side with Israel 24/7. They are committing atrocities against an innocent people that live in poverty and injustice-- where there is no quality of life, and there is nothing to live for. where the only way out is to fight back with what little means they have. - DarkSideWRX, on 05/12/2008, -0/+7What's your source on that information, anyway?
- Roger_Ramjet, on 05/12/2008, -3/+9A pro palestine website posting an anti Israeli news story? I'm shocked!
I also question the veracity as well. - ad33lshahid, on 05/12/2008, -4/+11is that the best you can come up with ? on one side you say that we're fighting an enemy that wears no uniforms-- and then on the other side you're using these same "uniforms" to justify the looting and raiding of an orphanage. Lets see your proof that the entire orphanage was just a production plant of suicide vests. Give me a break!!! stop propagating lies and justifying the mistreatment of an entire people-- and even their children!!! get off your high horse and realize that if it happened at your workplace or in YOUR neighborhood you wouldn't feel the same way. If you say "hamas did this to their own people" do you stop to think that maybe those little girls actually had nothing to DO with hamas or its policies? Its like someone characterizing all Americans as idiots and deserving of a future riot/attack just because they say use our government as a representation of us and say "Bush did this to his own people"
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