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- miwingman, on 03/04/2009, -36/+78I can almost imagine a future headline -- "Obama tightens state control of food".
- joev11, on 03/05/2009, -9/+45Hey, hey, HEY!!! This is not important!!! have any of you seen the lead story in the NYT today!! HAVE YOU?
Do you know that Obama is getting GRAY!! And did you see where CNN has found out how Michelle Obama keeps such great muscle tone in her arms?
Priorities folks, priorities. - BillE3, on 03/05/2009, -15/+51We have already had a turn at rationing. It is not convenient at all for anyone.
Then at a different time we had a price and wage freeze. That did not help the economy much either.
The one consistency with socialism is that it does not work well for anyone except the party elite. - Blinker1315, on 03/05/2009, -13/+47Except for when Sean Penn comes to visit Chavez.
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -4/+27A little more information about the situation here in Venezuela:
Today Chavez threatened to nationalize "Empresas Polar" the biggest national company in Venezuela, leaders in the food processing industry.
Also, Chavez ordered to nationalize Cargill, one of the leading companies that produce vegetable oil, rice, coffee, milk, sugar, etc. - Losttsol, on 03/05/2009, -6/+28Exactly. It is comical watching this guy go down the road of communism. All of the textbook failures of a communist state are becoming apparent like clockwork. At least with Venezuela, the rise and fall are happening at an accelerated rate. Hopefully the people can get rid of him before it is too late.
- sensoukami, on 03/05/2009, -12/+34I'm sorry, but this Chavez == Obama stuff is SOOO ***** dumb. How retarded are you people? It's about as stupid as idiot liberals equating Bush with Hitler.
To mangle The Charge of the Light Brigade:
"Morons on the Right of me, Idiots on the Left".
I'd further point out the staggering amount of "Socialism" that the Republican party enacted in their eight years of rank stupidity was enacted without so much as a peep of protest from the likes of these idiots who posted above...partisanship is just dumb. - seenbetterdaze, on 03/05/2009, -27/+48Okay you bama-ites...get ready...when they start telling the food producers to control the prices...shortages will begin. Farmers cannot produce food at a loss...period. They will go out of business. When gas was over $4.00 a gallon, all the food prices went up because of that one thing. The gubmnt cannot control prices...period. The market controls the prices...supply and demand. But that is simple economics which most Dem. voters must not have ever heard of...the "WON" is a socialist just like his buddy Chavez. Socialism does not work. When communists take over...THE PEOPLE STARVE. Read history of Russia and eastern Europe.
- BC1358, on 03/05/2009, -22/+40When will all people realize (and that includes Obama) that socialism doesn't work. Never has, never will. Socialism fundamentally runs counter to human nature and is ALWAYS doomed to failure. People work harder wen thye realize the fruits of their labor. When those fruits are taken from them through taxation or though the state control of industries, people generally either stop working hard, slack off and generally turn off their natural instinct to take care of themselves.
- momw, on 03/05/2009, -20/+35Why do I not see any liberals cheering on Chavez in here? They want their socialism, eh, communism.
- Opiate, on 03/05/2009, -8/+23Isn't socialism grand? suffering for all.
- DahktaD, on 03/05/2009, -9/+24Looks like the fat man is well fed...wouldn't expect anything else from this POS. Just wait, as farmers go belly up, he will force his people to grow rice like Pol Pot. Venezuela is cratering soon to be just like Cuba...Venezuelans can only hope for a coup at this point.
- tavallai, on 03/05/2009, -7/+21Last I checked, America was pretty rat-***** well before "socialist" Obama came into power.
Maybe if people started worrying about their own problems... - JohnGalt01, on 03/05/2009, -29/+40Coming soon to an Obamanation near you!!!
- typicalwhtprsn, on 03/05/2009, -16/+27Let's see, build entitlement class loyalty with costly new programs, check; stigmatize the affluent and successful, check; build class warfare, check; fund 'grass roots' street forces (ACORN) for future use as needed, check; build government power to bribe and/or control all segments of society, in process; stifle opposing voices through 'diversity' regulations, coming soon; amnesty for millions of grateful illegals, before next election; become the one messiah savior as wild inflation, shortages and riots spread, in our future; be declared great leader for life, count on it!
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -7/+18*opens hood*
oh that's your problem right there, you have 'state control' of a basic human need.
You need state replacement and while we are at it we can change your oil. - stix213, on 03/05/2009, -2/+13I smell a Zimbabwe style famine brewing in Venezuela.
- krahzee, on 03/05/2009, -1/+12He used gas prices as an example. Nothing to do with Obama.
His point was that as much as the government can try to control various aspects of the economy by regulating prices there are always other factors at play that can make their desired regulated price unrealistic or impractical.
As someone who works in an industry that heavily relies on shipping, gas prices had an enormous impact on the cost of goods. The commercial trucks delivering to us directly started adding fuel surcharges, and UPS and FedEx rates shot up.
Not only that, but since our suppliers had to pay more for shipping to receive the inventory they provided to their customers, the price of those goods also went up before we even touched them.
So now we end up paying more for a product we sell, a cost we pass along to our customers, and then have to mark it up even more to compensate for the increased shipping that we pay on top of that. It caused prices to get jacked significantly. This does not even take into account how much overhead went up for things like heat that winter.
Now apply that same scenario to an A&P, Stop & Shop, etc... and every link on that chain between the food being grown and hitting your grocery isle.
The added fuel costs to run farm equipment.
Added transport costs to the produce distributor.
The added fuel costs from there to the supermarket.
Not hard to see how a business forced to stabilize a price could find it impossible to do so when every other aspect of doing business for them is subject to a rise in costs while they are unable to adjust the price just maintain the same level of profit.
That was seenbetterdaze's point. It was a valid one. - mandarin, on 03/06/2009, -2/+10I fear the worst has yet to come to this country. When people are starving, they will rise up against this tyrant.
- 15thurman, on 03/05/2009, -21/+29we are not that far off here in the US. the economy is in the toilet,Obama is in the white house, Polosi and Reed are running things in washington. re distribution of wealth, nationalization of banks-auto industry etc.
- Electrokel, on 03/05/2009, -0/+8I'm glad some people can reason and make finer distinctions beyond two simple categories of extremes. Simplistic comparisons or conclusions are rarely accurate.
- stormofswords, on 03/05/2009, -12/+20Where the ***** are the voices of reason in this thread? It seems like all the wingnuts had a field day here and escaped detection under the radar.
- blackgt93, on 03/05/2009, -2/+10Why does everyone jump to the conclusion that being Anti-Obama = Republican?
I am not a fan of Obama, but I'm also not a Republican. And yes, the Repubs are essentially "Liberal Light". - MadMonk67, on 03/05/2009, -14/+22How's that "model socialist state" workin' out for you now Hugo? Things are going to get very bad, very quickly down there.
- Buelldozer, on 03/05/2009, -2/+9Wait until those economies are under the strain that Venezuela's is. You'll see then. You won't be waiting long either.
- URnotheonly1, on 03/05/2009, -30/+36Obama?
- OoO3xOoO, on 03/05/2009, -2/+8It must be nice to live in a black and white world
- sensoukami, on 03/05/2009, -2/+8I find it ironic that you would refer to "sheeple", yet you demonstrate the EXACT same qualities. Learn to think (critically) for yourself and stop mindlessly repeating some idiot radio talk show host. At least learn to frame an intelligent argument. Sheeple indeed.
- Armakillo, on 03/05/2009, -0/+6When New Zealand removed farm subsidies, production quintupled.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/02/business/worldbu ... - rjey, on 03/05/2009, -2/+8Step 1: Huffpo extreme left story submitted
Step 2: Digg liberal comment brigade (first division) doggedly comments and upvotes eachother
Step 3: Rest of digg makes even more crazy liberal comments, makes pro-obama comments, smokes a bowl
This is like the 560,000th time I've this happen. - eh123, on 03/05/2009, -10/+16Chavez is doomed.
- rjey, on 03/05/2009, -1/+6Really? Really? Show me a country doing well under socialism.
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -5/+10Chavez attacks food producers to create more food. Socialism 101.
- Pseudorious, on 03/05/2009, -7/+12I weep for Venezuela; however, still can't cry for Argentina.
- tomasII, on 03/05/2009, -1/+6Unbelievable ain't it?
- whorunbartertwn, on 03/05/2009, -0/+5You forgot Kim
- jaythewise, on 03/05/2009, -1/+6How can he Nationalize Cargill? Its a north american company, at least it has tons of assets up here. Seize it's operations in Venezuela?
- 3Den, on 03/06/2009, -1/+5Except..
price controls implemented no retail sale of staples results inthe following:
Price controls are being done at the retail level.
1a) No staples on the shelf - as demand exceeds supply.
or
1b) Stores flatly refuset o carry regulated items, as they can't turn a profit doing so.
2) Primary suppliers (farmers, etc) are not paid more for their food - and cannot afford to produce it. THey switch to unregulated crops.
NOw - I'm no economist. Certainly, there is far more to it than this
I do know that my extended family in Venezuela regularly call each other and friends to tip them off when they find various staples in the stores during frequent shortages. That's telling by itself. - whorunbartertwn, on 03/05/2009, -2/+6Give up your Xbox, computer, car, DVD player, bed that you have in a room all to yourself with a thermostat on the the wall, and cheeseburger with fries... move to Venezuela for a year, then come back with a fresh perspective of "not that far off here" okay?
- BabyWookie, on 03/06/2009, -1/+5When taken to the extreme, yes. Capitalism is no better. A mixed system is what works best.
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -2/+6No, in fact the Progressive wing of the Democratic party have been in power for the last 2+ years. Remember the 2006 elections? They controlled the agenda, they controlled the spending. Not bush.
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -4/+8The Title should read
Venzuela's Idiot Communist Chavez is abusing power by controling food to gain more power and hurt more people - inactive, on 03/05/2009, -3/+7No, he's doing this to keep himself in power. He's not helping the poor, he's bribing them. Poor there is different than poor here. Poor here, you still go to school. Poor there, you work and stay ignorant the rest of your life. You don't see the way the rest of the world could be. That's why the Dems want all the illegals here, because they know school and education aren't important. Keep the masses ignorant, marginalize, ostracize, and demonize the educated, and you've got control of everything. Those who control the present, control the past. Those who control the past, control the future.
- plzdiekevin, on 03/05/2009, -10/+14Step 1: Conservative leaning story submitted
Step 2: Digg conservative comment brigade (first division) doggedly comments and upvotes eachother
Step 3: Rest of digg buries crazy comments, makes pro-obama comments
This is like the 4th time I've seen this happen. - whorunbartertwn, on 03/05/2009, -1/+5Go look up socialism and what it means regarding government control of production, private ownership, etc.
Many countries having more liberal policies doesn't make a continent socialist. - mandarin, on 03/06/2009, -2/+6Economics isnt really his specialty
- joemun, on 03/06/2009, -1/+5Probably Chavez will end like Mussolinni, Dead, beaten the hell out and upside-down!...In Venezuela, elections are a fraud, most of the people are against him, and the anger grows exponentially every day...Venezuela is on the verge to a civil war...
- Buelldozer, on 03/05/2009, -2/+6Yes, you wouldn't want your world view challenged and contradictory information could be DANGEROUS!
- inactive, on 03/06/2009, -0/+4Sorry I didn't specify: Cargill of Venezuela.
- inactive, on 03/06/2009, -1/+4How long do you all think Venezuela's government will last before an uprising? 1 year? 3 years? 5 years? If oil stays as low as it does now, could be shorter. Of course, if I remember correctly, food shortages were still happening even when oil prices were in the 140's/bbl (which shows you just how failed the regime's policies are).
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