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VIDEO: Michael Moore slams CNN, Wolf Blitzer on live TV

rawstory.com — Moore argued that CNN has such a lousy track record of reporting the truth about the war in Iraq and asking tough questions, that Americans should be skeptical of their reporting on health care.

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  • peaceordeath, on 10/11/2007, -13/+60BIG NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • anewname, on 10/11/2007, -9/+3I wanna see the story they ran before he came on live and began his awesome rant.
      • sentury111, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1It aired just before he went on.
        • sentury111, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Follow the link and watch the video embedded at the bottom of the article. No need to go to you tube to see.
          • RpgActioN, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1CNN just replayed it, and I had to go let my dog back in because he was barking, and when I came back they were commentating on it, and I only just caught "I don't know why he didn't put that number in his movie" and then they stopped. Did anybody catch it? What were they saying?
      • atheinostic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12This clip has cnn's bit before the rant:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpKoN40K7mA
    • evanr76, on 10/11/2007, -11/+14Big nuts, maybe, but Moore would have come off a lot stronger if he had been less emotional and ranty, and just stuck to the facts.

      He could have guessed that Wolf Blitzer was not going to take his bait. The better move would have been to counter Gupta's claims calmly, demonstrate CNN's weak record on incisive truth seeking, point out CNN's blatant conflicts of interest, and then and only then escalate the tone to ask the unflappable Blitzer how CNN could claim to be a news organization. End of interview.

      • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Hard to do all of that and stay calm when your passionate about something. Perhaps other "leaders" should step up and fight like more but remain more stern/vigilent on it and be less emotional. Moore does the documentaries becaue he's passionate about it so its gonna flow :)
        • wendelgee2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I'd be nervous if I was ambushed like that on national tv.
    • mdhauke, on 10/11/2007, -23/+4MM is a publicity whore who keeps all the profits on his films for himself.

      nuff said
      • TritonX, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16And why shouldn't he profits from his work?
        • mdhauke, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1You're absolutely right, then he shouldn't be calling them "documentaries." Since it's all about the all mighty dollar with him, its been proven in the past that he lies, embellishes, and spins his movies to sensationalize them. To sell more tickets. e.g. Soldier who got killed in Iraq's mother, the soldier who was maimed, etc.
          • art42, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2WTF "documentaries" can't make profits?
        • letsgopens2006, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Soldier who got killed in Iraq's mother? I tried to understand this and thought about it for awhile but I just can't figure out what the hell you mean.
          • wattznext, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Duh, he's trying to say that some woman gave birth to the country of Iraq. Then, a soldier went to fight inside of this woman. the soldier was then killed. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
      • letsgopens2006, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Wow ur dumb.....Moore doesn't care if people download and distribute his material.
    • Cwo655321, on 10/11/2007, -16/+3i'm kinda torn, i really hate both of these *****!
    • wendelgee2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4This is entirely comment abuse, but as this debate deepens, the idea of "moral hazard" (that universal healthcare encourages people to seek excessive medical care) is going to become an argument you'll hear more and more from the far right, and it's something we should all be able to recognize and refute. And I do mean all...right and left, because it's bad for all of us.
      Malcolm Gladwell wrote an excellent piece on it:
      http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/08/29/050829fa_fact
    • emulroon, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Pfft. You don't need Big Nuts to take on Wolf Blitzer. The man is about half as intimidating as a wet towel.
    • jarbarf, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Dear Socialists,

      Stop spamming Digg. Thanks.
  • Lomstradamus, on 10/11/2007, -13/+261The next Michael Moore movie should be about how the mainstream media cow-towed the Bush administrations lies to get us into Iraq.
    The media is as much to blame for our soldiers deaths as Bush is.
    • ecorona, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22For the things necessary for something like an unnecessary war to occur are so vast and tedious, that it had to be a concerted effort by very powerful men. It REALLY helps if only a few people control the vast majority of media.
    • 09kydahl, on 10/11/2007, -41/+4I blame the terrorists who shot/blew up the soldier's for the soldier's death. I don't see where Bush fits into it.
      • darienphoenix, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16You obviously wouldn't blame a cat owner if he put a kitten in a tiger enclosure. It was the tiger's fault.
      • jvnane, on 10/11/2007, -35/+1Darienphoenix that's a fallicy first of all... the two subjects don't relate. And thank you 09kydahl im glad to know that im not the only one who thinks micheal moore is a fat blubering idiot. He's just some ***** who wants to get "his movie" and his publicity blah blah blah. Micheal moore doesn't even have any real arguements; he just states facts that i don't even think are remotely true. He jumps from topic to topic like a kid with ADD. One second the topics war the next it's health insurance. And as for the health insurance issue... if you can't afford health insurance then tough luck! Doctors aren't obligated to help every single ***** person... they'd go broke that way! I should go and make a movie complaining about video game consoles and why poor people don't have them... THEY SHOULD BE FREE FOR EVERYON!!! (sarcasm) Micheal moore is basically talking about communism and that's all he is a god damn communist.
        • fatlip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27once you get out of 9th grade, you might understand the interview. i'm in no way a michael moore supporter, but when he's right, he's right. topic jumping? he clearly stated he hadnt been on in 3 years at which point cnn slammed him just like they did with their little 'fact check' before this one. "if you can't afford health insurance then tough luck" ??? are you serious? i dont think its so much that health insurance exists, as much as the prices are astronomical. but hey, if you're happy throwing part of your paycheck into medicare like the way it is now, then by all means, go right ahead. if the healthcare was subsidized in the first place, you'd have less of a chunk taken out of your paycheck and it'd be distributed much more evenly. oh wait, are you saying to get rid of all the care provided by government aid altogether? yeah i guess that makes sense. especially for people who worked their entire lives and got ***** for some reason or another, nah they dont deserve health care. nor do the people that were born into poverty. hell, just because your parents can claim you on their taxes, why not just go ahead and slam the people who arent as privledged as you?

          p.s. name-calling "micheal" moore? grow up already.
        • Gaki, on 10/11/2007, -0/+30Perhaps if you studied a bit more social theory and/or civic planning, you would get some fresh perspective.

          The reality is that if you want something to be available to everyone, not just most, but everyone, the only way is with public ownership. Certain aspects of society fall under this umbrella because providing them to everyone drastically improves the overall quality of life. We can debate all night about which items should be on that list, but unless you are a complete moron, I think we can safely agree that video games don't qualify. Comparing something as trivial as video games to health care, where people live and die, is about as inane as you can get.

          Here's a shocker for you ... your military is publicly owned. Funded by all those enormously inefficient tax dollars. Heck, the military is probably the single best example of government graft one can find, but that doesn't stop the Republicans from worshipping at the altar of militarism. Spend more on the military than the next 50 countries combined? Nah, it's not wasteful government spending ... it's a necessary expense in an increasingly dangerous world. Whatever justification they want to come up with, it all boils down to the fact that just like the military is best left as a publicly owned resource, other industries should be, too.

          That you reject that notion wholesale out of an adolescent fear of "Communism" shows how simpllistic your worldview must be. Sleep tight ... don't let the redbugs bite.
        • jvnane, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1First of all health care is already subsidised but maybe you meant an even bigger subsidy which is fine by me, but making health care a public good wouldn't work. Everyone would be going to the doctor for every single small thing that's wrong with them. It would be impossible tend to every patient. The doctors would also get paid a hell of a lot less and slowly there would be a brain drain of doctors in the U.S. That's exactly what's happening with the doctors in Poland right now. They get paid ***** because their pay comes from the government and now they are on strike. Well no one can benefit if the doctors aren't working! And as for the governments allocation of money... i don't care if your for or against the war but the fact is that we are at war and we won't be leaving too soon so of course we need a lot of expendature for it. A lot of u liby fags complain that the war causes too many deaths, well no ***** there's going to be deaths in a war, but the money that goes into the war helps so we won't have as many casualties. Most of the casualties come from the Iraqi's make shift remote bombs, and a lot of the "wasted" tax dollars are going into research to figure out how to counter these bombs and when that's done we'll have a hell of a lot less casualties. It's also kind of obvious that we need a strong military because if you haven't noticed everyone hates us.
          • handshakedrugs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Okay, you're comparing the biggest economy in the world (U.S.) to Poland? Also, a brain drain? Where are they going to go - most other industrialized nations have government provided health care. You're argument is lacking facts and plain common sense.
          • Gaki, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11You have no idea how to argue, do you? Even before Iraq, the US spent more on their military than the rest of the world combined. IN PEACETIME, they spent that much. Now they are just spending even more. The US could cut their military budget nearly by a factor of ten and still spend more than anyone else in the world. Yeah, that means cutting the budget by 90% and they would still be spending more than China, who is a distant number two on the list. US military spending was ludicrous before the war and is absolutely insane since the war started.
          • jvnane, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1@ gaki
            oh right i don't know how to argue. just because i might have gotten a fact wrong i don't know how to aruge... u might have ur fancy facts but that doesn't mean u r argueing any better then i am. talking about high military expendature isn't an arguement FOR publicly owned health care. if you are going to argue for publicly owned health care then argue about it's benefits not that we should do it because we can do it with a little extra money from the military budget. Just becasue you can do something doesn't mean you should. So if you're saying i dont know how to argue then you've got it all wrong. You can say my arguements are lame or what have you but i certainly know how to argue better then you.
          • wendelgee2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5jvnane. Your argument is called the "moral hazard." Here is a great piece by Malcolm Gladwell about it:
            http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/08/29/050829fa_fact
          • round427, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5jvnane: Guys like us, we're not some brainiacs on the nerd patrol. We're not members of the factinista. We go straight from the gut. Right, sir? That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. Now, I know some of you are going to say, "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our nervous system works.
        • jvnane, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1@handshakedrugs

          Ok well i compared it to poland because i live in poland and it was an example that came to mind. And i guess i missued the phrase brain drain according to its ***** dictioanry definition and i should have said that there will be less people becoming doctors. And as for the facts... the U.S. does have smaller publicly funded health care programs for the elderly and poor. And also everyone regardless of their ability to pay has access to emergency treatment, so you can't go saying "oh god all the poor people are just going to be dieing left and right." I'm not argueing for a completely private health care program, but for a mixed program that favors privately owned health care programs which is what the U.S. has. If it was completely publicized then there would be no profit motive for the doctors and so then the speed and quality of service would drop emensly. And what do you say about smokers with cancer? Should we have to pay for their treatment? The best thing would be have a public system for the medical necesities of the poor, and keep the private sector for everything else. And again about the facts... Michael moore has a tendancy to fabricate a lot of the facts that he presents... don't believe me? just watch farenheit 9/11...
          • art42, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@jvnane " If it was completely publicized then there would be no profit motive for the doctors"

            Please explain how this would happen.
    • oo7akbnd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+47Watch "Buying the War" by Bill Moyers. It is EXACTLY about the media's 'buying the war,' and it is really well made.
      http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html
      • toxicvarn90, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Damn, you beat me to it.

        on a side note:

        I really think moyers deserves more recognition here on digg.
        • mesmeriffic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2He does, I knew that Buying the War special was on my local PBS because it hit the front page.
          Digg is awesome.
    • insanebrain, on 10/11/2007, -22/+1- "The media is as much to blame for our soldiers deaths as Bush is."

      Why ??? can't Americans make up their own minds ?? do they need the media for that ??
      • Gaki, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24Wake up. It's called propaganda and it works. It worked for the Soviets. It is working for the Chinese and it is working for the US. The US is doing it differently, with a small handful of right-wing media owners doing it instead of the government, but the principle is the same even if the delivery is different. When 90% of talk radio is dominated by right-wing stations, getting alternate information gets pretty hard.

        Do you understand why "Communism" and "Socialism" are still epithets in the US, while Europe has quietly moved to being almost exclusively Socialist? No one is scared of Socialism there because Socialism is reality - some things work best being publicly owned, some work best being privately owned. Having either 100% or 0% private ownership are the truly radical stances. Communists are nuts because they want 0% private ownership. Are free-market Capitalists any less nuts because they want 100%? Hardly. The media does it's job, though, and the American public continues to generate a new batch of commie haters with every generation.
        • art42, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"The media does it's job, though, and the American public continues to generate a new batch of commie haters with every generation."

          MSM is also likes to equate communism and socialism with a dictator.
      • AK10, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Two question marks make your points twice as valid!

        The free press is supposed to serve as an independent kind of "4th branch", keeping the others in check by informing to the people what the others are up to. When they fail to do their jobs they fail us all as an institution of democracy.
    • whoaminow, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Should he inform using his method now about the medias habbits? Perhaps he will be seeing his most enourmous battle yet. It's really about people doing something. His movie just makes everyone more mad, but still, so few do something about it. YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT IF YOU WANT TO SEE A DIFFERENCE. This is a democracy, so if you want to do something about it the right way, what you have to do is find others who want to do something about it (this is a necessary processes in doing something about it), then you have to make sure the goal is common and understood. Once understood, choose a plan of action and no matter how long it takes, it is good. It IS USUALLY better late than never, but usually better now then later.
    • m4csrgh3yk3v, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8By consuming that media and not educating the populace, you got the media and governments you deserve.

      Welcome to Democracy. Get off your arse.
    • Gaki, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7At the end of the documentary "The Corporation", Michael Moore is asked why he is allowed by the "big media" to continue to make and sell films, seeing as all of his backers are massive corporations. The best line of the whole film is his response: it doesn't matter, as long as I make money. They'd sell you the rope to hang themselves with if the price was right. I'm the rope. Paraphrasing a bit, I know, but the point is valid.
    • antisthenex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Michael Moore is essentially making Fahrenheit 9/11 2. It's still in early stages, and while there is nothing saying that it will be about poor media coverage, I wouldn't be surprised at all for him to shift part of the focus of the film to that.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11%C2%BD
  • TritonX, on 10/11/2007, -6/+184Lou Dobbs comparing Moore to Chavez at the end, it's priceless, validating moore's argument.
    • smackywentz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22Further validation...
      http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php
    • Abomonog, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19And most of what is said about Chavez on the news is a lie too. And all because Chavez exposed the real costs of gas refining to the world.

      FWI: it costs the oil companies just 16 cents a gallon to refine gas. And it is not even the primary product of the refining process. It's the waste.
  • colberrep, on 10/11/2007, -16/+23Lou Dobbs, what a quack. By the way, it looks like he aged about 20 years since last year.
    • letsgopens2006, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Man i watched Lou talk about the NAU and I actually started to like him..but after that cheap shot on Moore I dunno.
  • Glofern, on 10/11/2007, -6/+74I watched the Michael Moore and Wolf Blitzer from the internet and was wowwwwwwwwwwwwwed. It is rare that any of these guys on TV allow this to happen live and for that I too thank Wolf Blitzer but it would have been nice for him to say that he was wrong and that Michael's movies were correct. It was hard knowing for so many years that what was in Farenheit 911 was real and these guys refused to tell the truth.
    • rolf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14I always though CNN was relatively fair until I watched the mockery of a poltical debates last month where the "2nd" tier candidates were almost pushed off the stage and the "top" tier ones could talk as long as they wanted on their inane subjects while the others were interrupted by Blitzer after 10 seconds.

      ***** CNN.
    • dbhaley, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2run-on sentence, anyone? [/grammar police]
    • raymore, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2There were a lot, and I mean A LOT of misleading facts and interviews in Fahrenheit 9/11. Have you seen Fahrenhype 9-11? If not I recommend it. It has some of the people that were interviewed in Michael Moore's film, and then debunks some of the facts. Not saying all was wrong in Fahrenheit 9/11, but it by was very misleading at times.
  • BuckQJohnson, on 10/11/2007, -5/+50I bet his next movie will be about the media, he usually does alot of research for his films. And Moore had a point, CNN and other outlets are acting like the Ministry of Propaganda in regard to coporate and govt. dealings. The 45 million people without insurance is about 15% of the American population of 300 million. When the Axe finally comes down on this nation, it will not be a military that does it. It will be our insolvency and bankruptcy of the Federal and State governments.

    As an example just follow the News in Indianapolis, IN. People (middle class people) are out in the streets in front of the Governors mansion demanding he repeals the increase in property tax, that has went up for alot of people 200 to 300 percent. This is just for property tax, imagine what will happen when your fiat money doesn't buy what it should and your government (Katrina) doesn't know how to fix the american economy.
    • themayorpwns, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Ministry of Truth*
    • MacEnvy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3And the interesting part is, most of the increases in property taxes are from Medicaid costs imposed on individual counties. Which, of course, would be eliminated and the cost shared among everyone if we implemented a national healthcare program.

      I think the people who complain about property taxes should wake up to this - nationalized health insurance will amost entirely SOLVE the burden of increasing local property taxes. WHY IS NO ONE REPORTING THIS IN THE MEDIA?
      • art42, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1To you have any sources on property tax and medicaid linkage?
        Here in Cal property tax increases are limited by prop 13.
    • mikeneilson, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I am not saying this as a Moore fan nor as a Moore hater, but just for the sake of being completely honest and factual, because neither side of a debate as heated as this can ever seem to allow rationale back in...

      The "45 million" number that we keep hearing INCLUDES ANYONE WHO HAD ANY GAP AND/OR SWITCHED JOBS. I switched jobs in 2006, so I am technically one of the 45 million people that "does not have health insurance." With the job market being more and more volatile all the time, it should not be surprising to anyone that those numbers are high (and getting higher).

      This is not to say that even the people who actually don't have any health insurance should be ignored, or that this isn't a huge issue. I just wish that either side of this debate could settle down and actually present non-lopsided "facts," so that we can start to fix problems instead of overstating things to make points about how right they are.
      • keithnlarsen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1And what if you'd been diagnosed with cancer (or even diabetes, or some other long term condition) during the N month wait before your new insurance kicked in at your new job. Your new insurance company would have rejected you on the basis of a pre-existing condition. I'm sorry, but you were without health care, and think of the consequences of such a scenario.
        • mikeneilson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I didn't technically go even a day without healthcare. Just the switch alone made me part of the list. That is how that number works.
    • raymore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1He does a lot of research but most of his movies have major flaws that left not investigated would never be seen.
  • nfulton, on 10/11/2007, -9/+118Thank God for Michael Moore . . . I've wanted to beat the crap out of Blitzer for four years. He NEVER asks the hard questions. He has NEVER held the politicos he interviewed to account for the decisions they've made the lies theyve told, never took his "experts" to task for their greivous errors. So many have died. So much has been wasted.

    Thank you Michael Moore for doing what so many of us have wanted to do for so long.
    • Drexus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Don't you love CNN's bias when it's so blatant? As soon as Wolf talks to his buddy, the first thing out of his mouth was "What a left wing..." Such crap. Just unbelievable that network has a viewership... actually I can believe it, it's just the same as a car wreck - you can't look away.
      • codmate, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2It's worrying that baeing called 'left wing' on the TV in America appears to be some kind of insult.
        What happened to the idea of a balanced media?
  • akyra, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16Scroll down for the Video!
  • bestbassistever, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5Mike is right. Don't let the moneyed folks get you down.
  • brokenspatula, on 10/11/2007, -51/+5more crap from the moore mobile, same article 3 times, looks like spam by one group to me
    • Acewrap, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Yeah. The group of people that think.
  • allywilson, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Michael Moore - the questions finally asked. Am away to find out if SiCKO is out in the UK yet.
    • rebopper, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6It's already on the internets, all of them.
  • phantoms5000, on 10/11/2007, -6/+85Lets see how many times this can get on the front page today
    • simplenation, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8yeah true, but honestly i don't mind. the more views = the better!

      wouldn't it be neat if we could have all the front pages stories on this topic...just for a few hours
      • MacEnvy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ugh, you mean a revisitation of the MPAA hex ordeal? Well, I suppose at least this time it would be more relevant to everyone's interests.
  • K3ITHK, on 10/11/2007, -17/+2Umm there is a video section...
    I mean you guys bitch about a picture section, when you don't even use the video section.
  • halvertos, on 10/11/2007, -17/+5again? i saw this on the frontpage a few hours ago.
    • thatsmyaibo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4It was actually on the front page 2 times a few hours ago. this is the 3rd time tonight.
  • supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -15/+6What the hell?

    I mean, I understand that digg is democratic, and not everyone got to see the story the first time it was dugg...

    but this is the dupe of all dupes. It's still on the bloody top 10 stories!
    • imitrust, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3I think that's the point. As it appeared twice everyone's trying to get it on as many times as possibe. Digg Subversion Thru Moore Stories.
  • Rumsfeltcher, on 10/11/2007, -15/+12This is the third time tonight this story has been on the frontpage.
    • letsgopens2006, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Good
    • IbnDigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4No disrespect, but it took about 2000 impeachment stories for some of you to finally agree that impeachment is the way to go.
  • TheN0ble, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22Finally, someone with balls to speak the truth!
    • simplenation, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3yeah true, but honestly i don't mind. the more views = the better!
  • kjcdude, on 10/11/2007, -23/+7DDDDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEE
    http://digg.com/politics/Michael_Moore_Rips_Wolf_Blitzer_Mainstream_Media
    http://digg.com/politics/Michael_Moore_demands_apology_from_Wolf_Blitzer
    • BigAmish, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Ya know, I don't remember too many people complaining when the AACS Key was duped into infinity. And to me this stuff is much more important.
    • jamesallen74, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I was just about to agree with KJCDUDE but good point BIGAMISH. This is WAY more important than some stupid AACS Hex Key Code.
  • DeskFlyer, on 10/11/2007, -13/+2http://digg.com/politics/Michael_Moore_Rips_Wolf_Blitzer_Mainstream_Media
  • jackhowitzer, on 10/11/2007, -11/+15This is in the top 10 twice already..wtf digg?
    • J4k3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1If you don't like it, don't.*****.read.it.
  • ecorona, on 10/11/2007, -1/+46This is a very simple issue.

    Now: We pay for our own healthcare AND for the record profits those corporations are seeing
    Universal Healthcare: We ONLY pay for our own healthcare via taxes. Period!
    • damienkrypt, on 10/11/2007, -12/+1Because government doesn't have record waste which it has no incentive to eliminate . . . AHahahaha, you're funny
      • vinividivici, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7record waste < record profits (and when you say it is record waste, what is the waste and what record did it break?)
      • art42, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Overhead for Medicare is less than 5%.
        Overhead in "free" market insurance is 25-40%.
        Looks like Gov't CAN be more efficent than the "free" market!!!
        Use google if you want verification.
    • CCSwiss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0No it's not that simple, otherwise the govt would be providing a lot more services that it does today. Bureaucracies tend to be inefficient; i.e, your money doesn't go as far. Private industry has more competition, which is good for efficiency and the taxpayer. Not that simple of an issue.
  • skyshock1, on 10/11/2007, -23/+1Again with this *****??? One's enough. BURIED.
  • jvnane, on 10/11/2007, -16/+2It's interesting that Micheal Moore can relate the war in Iraq to... health care.
  • 1337diggster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+70Moore sure did own them. Upon further investigation from Moore's team they reveal that the CNN report was 90% misleading or down right lies.

    Read the rebuttal here:
    http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article.php?id=10017
    • fatlip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18unlike CNN, moore actually quotes his sources -- which is comforting.......... or discomforting, depending on how you look at it
      • gincarnated, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10That was ***** brilliant! Someone please post the vid of CNN apologizing if they ever do.
        • cwmonkey, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1Everyone on digg's gotta be a comedian.
  • engion3, on 10/11/2007, -11/+2The truth? If we are talking about big organizations owning us lets talk about Microsoft buying all my favorite game companies and making them horrible, while losing over a billion dollars because they don't know how to make game consoles but they are still in the business because they have unlimited funds. I much rather die of smallpox than have Microsoft buy Rare again and stop making games for Nintendo. ***** YOU M$
    • whiterussian, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Quick, call Michael Moore! Screw health care and exposing the lies of the government and media, we need to blow the lid off this video game *****. I can see it now, Moore showing up at the MS offices, demanding to speak to Bill Gates to ask him why Conker: Live and Reloaded wasn't as good as the original N64 version.
  • MrFlesh, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6Is it just me or is it really weird to see MSM skew that far off the facts.
    • graycat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10It's just you. They do it all the time. Maybe you're just noticing it for the first time too. You know - like in They Live when Rowdy Roy Piper finally puts on the sunglasses?
      • Antixian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0you sir made me register to this site as i normally wouldn't have commented, but do read responses everyday for digg articles. i must compliment you on your ability to tie this to a moment in realization. Absolutely brilliant! Dugg the ***** out that comment!
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Digg up for the "They Live" reference.

      Need to distributed those special shades to people going to Hannity's Freedom Festival here in Georgia.
  • zardoz73, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27Just as he said, here is Moore's rebuttal from his website:

    http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article.php?id=10017
    • Abomonog, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I'm surprised that Moore didn't state the fact that despite overall higher income taxes across seas, us Americans actually pay more taxes in the end than even Britain. Everything is taxed in America and the more likely you are to buy it, the higher the taxes.

      By the time the average item get to the consumer it has been taxed 4 times with those taxes often well exceeding %200 of the actual product value. This is why that cheap piece of plastic your child wants costs $20. Its petroleum has been taxed, the workers making it are taxed as is the company. (several times in multiple forms, in fact) The delivery is taxed as is the sales. And our government collect the sales taxes on every item TWICE. Once when it is sold to the retailer, and again when it's sold to you.

      Our country could afford socialized health care easy. But it ain't happening. Too much money to be stolen with our system as is.
      • iluvgossip, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0As to the usefullness of Moore's movie I'll point to these options for a realistic view of Canada's and Cuba's health care:

        http://onthefencefilms.com/video/deadmeat/
        http://therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

        As to our health care system being about "stealing money."

        I'm not saying the US system is perfect. I just think it is the best around. Everyone gets care one way or the other and because of how it is set up we provide new technology and medicines to the rest of the world. For example, in Canada many of the newest, and most effective, drugs are not possible to get because of price. Oh, and Canada doesn't let you get private health care. That is why so many Canadians come to the US for their health care.

        I would like to move to a system of medical savings accounts combined with insurance for only catastrophic incidents (cancer, heart attack, etc) as the norm. This, I feel certain, would increase coverage levels while at the same time maintaining the aspects of our system that OVER THE LONG TERM increase the health of the entire world. Cut off profits and money into the health care system and you destroy the incentive to create new treatments and drugs. What will health care in 30 years be like? Well if you want to find out then don't support a government health care takeover which would drastically reduce progress and the number of new drugs and treatments created.
        • art42, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You lost me on "I just think it [healthcare] is the best around."
          • iluvgossip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0What country has the medical equipment (including number of machines such as MRI's, etc) as America? Do you think Canada is better? They can't have the latest drugs, even if the drugs are markedly more effective with less side effects? Do you think Cuba is better? Did you go to the website and look at the pictures of the guy in the old folks home surrounded with piles of feces? You are buying into the hype. The most ridiculous example is the "America is 37th on the list" BS. One of the main critieria is how the health care is paid for. Hmmm, does socialized health care get more points than free market? That is an example of making a list based on political ideology and not facts. Other examples are having higher levels of infant mortality rates when that stems from how such rates are accounted for. America has a higher infant mortality rate because our system is so good! We work hard to save more babies that other countries would give up on. As such we count the times it doesn't work out while other countries don't count the entire category. Meanwhile we are saving way more babies!

            I love how MM talks about how the waits are for "elective" health care. Yeah it is "elective" in that you aren't going to die at that moment if you aren't going to get it. But examples are cataract surgery, hip replacements and knee surgeries. Oh, it isn't a big deal America! Sure, you are blind and can't walk but it is elective!!! So what if those countries make you wait for years to not be blind and be able to walk! They are teh AWESOME!!!11!! Meanwhile France has the best healthcare!!! Proof? The government pays for it!!!

            You guys are being manipulated and if you manage to get socialized health care you are going to KILL millions of future Americans. Because medical research is going to decrease and your grandkids are going to miss out on all sorts of new procedures and drugs that they could have had.
        • Arkons24, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0try to talk only in rhetoric and glad-handing when posting on digg. They can't handle much else. They are confused easily.
  • factorof2, on 10/11/2007, -2/+46Michael Moore > CNN, Wolf Blitzer and the entirety of the US mainstream media

    Dugg for Michael Moore being a badass.
    • Arkons24, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0you're a fool.
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0This is the first thread on Michael Moore where I haven't read good Liberals saying things like: "I like Michael Moore, but, I don't agree with his tactics..."
      No equivocation now -- Liberals are starting not to apologize for being right. If Michael Moore has to head but the NRA, bruising a few egos in an admittedly "Editorial" documentary is the least sin.

      I'm glad that I finally don't have to defend Michael Moore for "being right ... but." Makes me very happy that people are starting to get it. We are the good guys ... and THEY are the bad guys. The medical insurance industry is useless and crooked.
  • SuperMoses, on 10/11/2007, -13/+4For ***** sake, when you post the story doesn't Digg show you a list of stories that may potentially be the same as this one? This was posted three times within the last 5 hours. It was a good watch but people need to ***** make sure the story is not a duplicate.
  • chiggah, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Sadly, all the hype will probably fade away in a few months. Let's face it, does anyone here actually think Universal Health Care will succeed in the near future. Or when was the last time federal tax was raise and people were happy about it?

    OTOH, even if the government do decide to create UHC, will Americans actually trust them when they can't even figure out how to resolve the mess in Iraq.

    Perhaps people have gotten too comfortable with their own life to care about the country as a whole. In the end we can only blame ourself.
    • Gaki, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5UHC is a reality and the question is only when it will be implemented. When 70+% of the US populace want something, despite all the commie-bashing, Michael Moore bashing and the concerted effort of an entire industry to sway opinion, you know it is a done deal. Think of it this way ... Republican President. Republican Senate. Republican Congress. With all that stacked deck, Bush and his cronies couldn't kill Medicare or SS like they wanted to. This was the ONLY chance like this they will get for the next 50 years and they couldn't force it through. That says something.
    • zardoz73, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I wouldn't be surprised at all if this movie has at least SOME effect on policy.
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Universal or Single Payer healthcare will probably start in one or two states at first. After other states see the success, they will follow on, as even a Republican Governor wants to balance a budget.

      After it gets out that it is CHEAPER to provide everyone with good healthcare, than deal with poor people in emergency rooms and the 50% overhead we have now of paying the insurance company, and the 43% overhead of the remainder to DEAL with insurance companies -- then the federal government will have to follow suit.

      This is why states rights are a big deal -- and solutions ALWAYS trickle up, while incompetence trickles down.
  • xaviel, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Owned.
  • henropotter, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I watched this during dinner last night as it aired and it was very refreshing to see someone ask hard questions (even if it is coming from Michael Moore who I am not a big fan of).

    Looking forward to the second part of the interview, which Wolf (who I am also not a fan of) said would also air unedited.
  • mal1964, on 10/11/2007, -14/+2All that and I still wont pay to see the movie
  • HeartlandUSA, on 10/29/2007, -0/+18If the NeoCons want to cut-off SS & Medicare in the future, then they better plan to send me a refund check for all of the money they've forced me to pay into the programs for decades. A better solution is for some sort of regulating of the costs of medical treatments which are obviously out of control & out of almost everyone's range of affordability. There is no good reason why it is so outrageously expensive.

    The system is due for an overhaul:

    -College tuitions are out of control

    -Health care costs are out of control

    Fix these two problems, which are more complicated than I'm getting into, & the future debt problems will be solved. Big corporations that love ripping people off won't be happy, but who cares? HMOs, Insurance companies, Student loan organizations (aka banks), Pharmaceutical manufacturers, Law firms, etc will be outraged, but if we get rid of lobbyists it could work. The health care system is due for an overhaul from stem to stern, from top to bottom or we & future Americans are screwed. What choice do we have? -The government taking our money that we've paid & basically stealing it? -Having a health care system that the vast majority can never afford? -Letting the vast majority live in suffering & needlessly die while the rich live comfortable long lives? We need to start from scratch, make a health care system that works for everyone, regulate, & have oversight. We certainly know where the Republicans stand, its with the wealthy & the corporations.
    • Gaki, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3This is the key argument ... when you ask people what two things they feel the government should "do" something about, it is education and health care that top the list. Obviously, not everything should fall under the government umbrella, but those two are a good place to start.
      • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2just goes to show the neocons want us stupid and sick, after all its easier to control a populace if they're not educated or smart enough to defend themselves and recognize the atrocities around them.
  • treyevans, on 10/11/2007, -18/+1Moore owned Blitzer?? Seriously? More like they both made fools of themselves, repeating themselves and stuttering all over each other. They reminded me of a high school fight between two kids who are both afraid to throw a first punch, so they keep yapping and yapping, with the crowd around them laughing and realizing how p*ssy they both are.
  • bwrecks, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12Micheal moore is GREAT!!! yeeeaaaahhhh!
  • TheVigilante, on 10/11/2007, -13/+0This will get dugg down but I seriously laughed when I saw this story for the third time on the front page of World & Business section.
  • bblades, on 10/11/2007, -2/+37The media tries to pacify conservatives who live in a dream world. You know the people who think Iraq is going just fine, and the gobs of CO2 we pump into the air does absolutely nothing in effecting global temperature. You know the type that make everything us versus them, black and white, without nuance. These are the people that think immigrants, terrorists, Iraqi's, all essentially mean the same, and they are BAD and we are good... even when kill thousands of civilians and torture those who weren't killed in the mass bombing to begin with. If you don't like it, then you are for THEM, the BAD guys. The voice of dissent must be silenced in an effort to preserve your freedoms... wait isn't that a paradox? They use words like commie and now liberal to put down that other guy in the room who says something clever about how misguided they are and how they should come out from under the rock they reside in. CNN and other news outlets try to "balance" their news. Since conservatives hate anything that isn't spoon fed to them like Fox news or talk radio, CNN still tries to pacify them like little children and hence throw them a bone. This is all in the name of business, because someone in advertising sees that Fox News is the most watched news channel. Why would anybody keep Bob Novak on the air as long as they did, considering how much of a fool he is? Lou Dobbs cracking a joke about Hugo Chavez is just an example of writing off Moore as a liberal, like it is a 4 letter word. I wouldn't consider it a 4 letter word, realizing that the alternative supports a blunder of a war, a cover up of a criminal executive branch, a mass privitization of social programs, an environmental policy written by Haliburton, and a science policy written by evangelicals.

    Moore wasn't a wuss about the injustice that he has seen in the past few years. Conservative talk radio has made its bones on fat bastards who hide behind a microphone and slander anybody who is not them. The world needs a few more Michael Moore's who aren't going to apologize for being progressive, and for calling out these so called authorities on their "fact checking"
    • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3a f'n men
    • Arkons24, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0I'm a conservative. So let's see what I think, because I'm certain spending all your time on Digg doesn't allow you access to them very often. Let's begin.

      1. I don't think Iraq is going just fine.
      2. I know CO2 increases global warming.
      3. I'd argue it is people like you that make things black and white. I mean if grouping every conservative together as being a complete follower of George Bush ideology isn't making things 'black and white', i'm not really sure what is.
      4. I don't know anyone who thinks immigrants, terrorists and iraqi's are all the same. I don't think any of them are inherently bad. But I agree that immigration must be reformed, terrorists must be dealt with either through force or through relations with Islam, and Iraqi's must be left to their own devices to form a government.
      5. The voice of dissent, if you are that voice, just needs to be educated so they don't make retarded posts.
      6. I routinely ignore everything coming from any major news media outlet, just like I ignore anything from any of the crazy, conspiracy pages you guys post on digg routinely (crooks and liars, truth progress, etc).

      Michael Moore acted like a baby on the show. I don't care if you are a raving Liberal, learn to act like an adult. Michael Moore is completely misleading in his movie and that interview. At one point in the interview he pointed out social security as a good government program, worth emulating. That is why Moore has no credibility to the people who actually matters. When it comes down to it, all he can pull out of his ass is conjecture, half-truths and anecdotes. That's not an argument kiddo -- that's *****. Go back to his movies and find something that isn't anecdotal or a statistic that actually holds up to scrutiny. They don't.
  • peabody624, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13ahahahahah that was fantastic
  • munen123, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4moore is a great film maker!
  • yankpats, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Lou Dobbs is so senile its almost cute. I was actually more shocked to see him alive, i thought he was dead.
    • northslope, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Lou Dobbs is one of the very few guys on TV who tries to tell the truth, no matter how old he may be.
      • Irco, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1yeah..if by "true" you mean blaming illegal aliens for all the problems in this country
  • last4internet, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14Those last second leftist comments on the video were just disgusting FUD! Who let's these people stay on air?
  • 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Irony.
  • Whamola, on 10/11/2007, -15/+2MM is right, you do get to see a doctor nearly the same day in the UK, Germany, ect, but a fact that was oh so nicely left out of his rant was the dramatic population difference between America and those countries.

    I'm suprised Wolf didn't just end the interview. All Moore wanted was a soapbox to stand on and yell how he's right, you're wrong.

    It's basically a sounds like this to me: "Quit being sheep. Quit following the leaders. Now get behind me and mindlessly listen to what I rant about because I know what's good for you."

    Just my opinion.
    • Yazilliclick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8So what you're saying is you honestly have no clue what 'per capita' means or any concept at all on how population affects raising money and spending it on programs?

      Sure the US has a larger population. Doesn't matter. They still spend more per person (per capita) on health care, have lower quality of healthcare even though more is being spent, and end up with average lower life spans and infant mortality. The only possibly valid argument would be that the US is a larger landmass thus resulting in the need to have more medical facilities to cover all areas unlike the UK which has a much more dense population and thus does not have to deal with spreading out medical facilities. However that's a very small issue that would not result in the differences between the two.
      • asherp, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1How is that a small issue? I'm not saying it isn't, but if you're going to bring it up at all you should say why.
  • GorfTron, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16I saw this and liked it. And Wolf did let Moore speak his peace(unlike Fixed News' Bill O would).
    • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1And you base your "I hate Bill" assertions on what? That one video where he explained exactly why he did what he did? And it was perfectly justified according to everyone with credibility on all sides of the political aisle?
  • daeyeth, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1This is a good story but...there's already two of the same story, on the front page, three stories apart, both with over 1000 diggs. They're just from different sources. Kind of scrapping the barrel aren't you?
    • skjosh, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3yeah, and there have already been 10 people to post that already. Just dont open the thread dumbazz
  • Aquashark, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22go back to bed America, your government is in control again..
    • evilearsgonemad, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2We Want Your Soul
      "Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your government is in control. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their ***** skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what we'll tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!"
      - Bill Hicks

    • seraph82, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1....

      /yawn
  • Aquashark, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1go back to bed America, your government is in control again..
  • Azdak, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Moore is a publicity whore, but he is right.
  • gnoffa, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5I'm suprised americans aren't rioting. Their situation seams terrible, both the war and their healthcare.
    • TBoneFever, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2everyday, i'm sure most of us feel like doing it. No one has the balls. We're forced to live in fear - day in, day out.
    • Glynth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1When all you've got to go on is anti-American propaganda, I'm sure it must seem that way to you.
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