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- duggtodeath, on 11/20/2007, -26/+323***** this! The US can now arrest journalists without charge OR evidence. This is what a police state looks like. If this can be done overseas, they will use the War on Terror to do the same homeside.
- inactive, on 11/20/2007, -13/+167It just keeps getting worse.
- aslave2thegrind, on 11/20/2007, -20/+105Police State...because we've allowed it to become one.
- Spanktacular, on 11/20/2007, -12/+97This is what apathy gets you.
By the way, everything the government does is with the barrel of a gun. Drive too fast? A man with a gun will pull you over. Don't pay your income taxes? Men with guns will come and take your freedom. Try to protest in the same location as King Bush? Men with guns will take you away. Get arrested without charges and thrown into a hole for months to years on end? Yep, that's the work of men with guns.
If you don't vote the right people into office, the only way to get the wrong ones out will eventually be with guns helping you. Why do you think there is a second amendment? It ain't for shooting squirrels. - rrc7cz, on 11/20/2007, -9/+86I have noticed more and more articles about our government holding people without charging them/denying basic rights/etc. I'm scared to death of the day we become numb to this.. and it becomes "normal"
- arnigunnar, on 11/20/2007, -17/+84http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/19/phot ...
"Hussein, an Iraqi who lives in the western Anbar province city of Ramadi, has been held without charge by the U.S. military since April 2006, when bomb parts and insurgent propaganda were found in his house after the U.S. military asked to use it as an observation post during an operation."
I know, it's way to long to hold someone without charge, but bombparts and more stuff was found at his house ... it's not like he was just photographing at the beach. - Spanktacular, on 11/20/2007, -10/+72Bomb parts are anything from cel phones to fuel these days. Propaganda is anything critical of the U.S. invasion forces.
- BeefBaron, on 11/20/2007, -20/+72Probably because he was taking lovely pictures of US forces killing innocent civilians nonstop.
- laterthandawn, on 11/20/2007, -11/+62Wonderful.
This: "convincing and irrefutable evidence that Bilal Hussein is a threat to stability and security in Iraq as a link to insurgent activity" is so freaking vague, you could turn it into pretty much anything when it goes to trial. I'm sure they're cooking up something great right now. - JonParker, on 11/20/2007, -3/+43It is an outrage. I'm not saying that he's not guilty, nor is the AP. He may be guilty as hell. But the US military is 1. refusing to say what the specific accusations are and 2. refusing to say what evidence there is for his guilt. That makes preparing a defense impossible. If he is guilty, then reveal the charges, disclose the evidence, and hold a trial. Anything else is a ridiculous sham, There's something very, very wrong with you people who think that the accusation of terrorism is enough to do whatever we want to someone.
- osbjmg, on 11/20/2007, -8/+45Good point, so if you have evidence he's building a bomb - charge him as such. Are you cool with no-charge arrests? I mean, seriously and absolutely? This should never happen, it defies logic.
- inactive, on 11/20/2007, -5/+41I was also charged once with carrying "burglar's tools" because I was walking around in an abandoned building while carrying a swiss army knife.
- inactive, on 11/20/2007, -23/+54Bush's USA More like the SOVIET UNION
than the country we grew up in.
Oh how far we've come (for the worst). The similarites are staggering.
The government was always right and never apologized;
-Any dissent was suppressed, ridiculed, banned or worse;
-Secret prisons were denied and never acknowledged or spoken about;
-The torture of captives (in Lubyanka) was condoned;
-State incarceration was not subject to the checks and balances of a legal system;
-Economic plans, like for oil, were established/determined in closed sessions between politicos, commissars and production managers, far outside public view, and where government claimed privilege in so doing;
-Wages were set at the lowest common denominator, no matter what Bloc country you were in;
-Government agents had access to your medical records, your library records, your telephone, and your e-mail.
-A place where judicial power and judicial review were proclaimed concepts, but simply ignored in application;
-Where criminal records of young adults were closed to all but the military;
-Where a Constitution was a mere facade and ignored by state actors.
-Any dissent, debate and protest were deemed unpatriotic;
-The military clandestinely and shamelessly influenced the national media and public opinion;
-A place where wrong was declared right;
-Where tapping a phone was like tapping a pencil;
-Where lying was considered a patriotic skill;
-The extraction of natural resources was paramount to any concern for the environment and the impact on the health of its people;
-Where the use of “state secrets,” (those things embarrassing to the government) were confused with legitimate issues of “national security”;
-A place where "secrecy" and "national security" were used to control debate;
-Where legitimate secrecy, was subject to political use and abuse;
-Where "legislators" were mere mouthpieces for and rubberstamps of whoever was in power;
-Where you lived and died with the permission of the government;
-A place where foreign policy was more important than domestic concerns;
-Where fear was used as a political weapon and an acceptable means of control;
-Where the best medical care was reserved for the influential;
-Where wealth was concentrated in the top 5%;
-A place where there was no middle class - just a small economic and political elite, and the working poor.
The Soviet Union- A people’s paradise where the people were in control of their state - but we here in America knew better and we fought the Soviet system with everything we had because we could not endure a Soviet style system here in the United States.
Since 1995 the Republican Party and its friends in the American corporate structures that so vigorously contribute to and support them have---in the space of a decade---created in this country more than the beginnings of a system that this country spent 50 years trying to dismantle."
MEANWHILE, SOME DUMB HICK IN GEORGIA
...is saying "I'm glad terrorists isn't attacking my woodshed". - supertom, on 11/20/2007, -8/+35Another win for the terrorists.
- acidbass, on 11/20/2007, -2/+25quit talking in the future like "they're gonna...." "soon if we don't, they will...." or "we better... "
They already have, They already did & We didn't.
/Get over it - inactive, on 11/20/2007, -7/+29THREE (3) TYPES OF CONS LEFT ON THIS BOARD
1) The PAID ones.
2) The SHEEP.
3) The IDIOT.
Which type are you? - DooM, on 11/20/2007, -4/+25Human rights apply to everyone.
- Spawn2105, on 11/20/2007, -6/+25Look at all that has happened under the pretense of fighting terrorism and protecting US soil.
The Dept. of Homeland Security can snoop around all they want in your privacy, military expenses are so high that not only the american economy but the entire worlds economy can feel its effects, and now the military can even hold someone overseas for almost 2 years without ever making indisputable claims of evidence or anything like that. How much clearer can it be that this is not the decentralized government that once made the USA great but that its slowly becoming a police state in every sense of the description?
I cant wait for the 2008 election, theres so much that needs to be addressed / changed - Spanktacular, on 11/20/2007, -2/+21While I agree with your fears, this is in Iraq.
- Cerebral, on 11/20/2007, -1/+18Ummm how about the whole "after the U.S. military asked to use it as an observation post during an operation." I seriously doubt that dude was dumb enough to let the army into his house if he was planning an attack against them. If he refused and then they forced themselves in, then that's a whole different story altogether. I don't know what the laws are in Iraq but I guess we can/and do whatever the hell we want to over there. Hell I'm so pissed off at our current administration and the government in general that I'm probably considered a terrorist.
- DaveDepraved, on 11/20/2007, -3/+18it must suck to be a fascist police stater.
- ignitethefire, on 11/20/2007, -6/+21I'm sure I will be dugg down for this one, but I would like to bring up what Tom Curley had to say about Hussein:
"We want the rule of law to prevail. He either needs to be charged or released. Indefinite detention is not acceptable." -Tom Curley, Associated Press CEO
Whether or not the evidence presented in his trial will be real or not, and independent of our collective opinion on whether his incarceration has been lawful, I think it is only fair to point out that Hussein will be charged with something rather than continuing to sit in jail without any formal charges in an Iraqi court. - objectcode, on 11/20/2007, -2/+17one has to be a dopey liberal moonbat to not trust the government. what right does a sheep have to label someone else? they follow and thats all they do
- zyl0x, on 11/20/2007, -4/+19You have no TIME for political activism?? Then you don't deserve your freedom.
- nickerbocker, on 11/20/2007, -0/+15Moonbats? Seriously?
- MarkOfTheDead, on 11/20/2007, -0/+14[citation needed]
- RevEng, on 11/20/2007, -3/+17There are a lot of people commenting who seem to think that the article, or the similar one from CNN, *prove* that this man was a terrorist. They then decry the others who protest for siding with the terrorists.
Take a minute and consider what the rules are in the legal system. If allegations are made and sufficient evidence is presented to show a likelihood of having commited a crime, a person is arrested, questioned (with legal counsel present), and detained. After a reasonable period of time, during which both the prosecution and the defense gather and share evidence, a trial starts, where both sides present their case and evidence to a jury of their peers, who then make the decision.
Now, here's why people are protesting Hussein's detention. First, the allegations against him don't make sense. They say he was working in cooperation with the insurgents, giving him the information he needed to get to the battles quickly and take pictures of the explosions when they happened. If he was working with the insurgents, wouldn't he be giving them information, or giving us misinformation? With these allegations, it seems he's not helping the insurgents at all; why would they be helping him? It doesn't add up.
Secondly, the military isn't providing any evidence to the defense. The pictures he has been taking are almost exclusively of the aftermath. This doesn't match the allegations against him. They've made additional allegations that they found bomb parts at his home. So where are these bomb parts? Where are the pictures of his home filled with them? This is rather damning evidence, if it exists, so why aren't they showing it to the defense?
Lastly, and most importantly, with such serious allegations and such damning evidence, why haven't they charged him? He's been imprisoned for 19 months and no trial has been announced. In fact, the charges against him aren't even clear, as the allegations have been evolving over time. Even in the light of new evidence, the original allegations shouldn't become invalid, they should just be compounded.
This isn't a matter of bleeding heart liberalism, nor is it a matter of war-time security. This is a breach of due process, clear as law. This is a US citizen of foreign decent, working for the US in a foreign country, detained indefinitely without charge or trial. Somehow it's okay for some people, as long as this is done to the terrorists. But who is a terrorist? Until he is charged, given a fair trial, and convicted by a jury of his peers, this man is still innocent and deserves all of the rights and freedoms that the Constitution guarantees. Simply being in Iraq and looking the same as the other Iraqis doesn't make you a terrorist, any more than allegations from a self-interested party make you a terrorist.
Innocent or guilty, this man deserves an expedient, fair trial. This is what people are protesting about. - FongoBongo, on 11/20/2007, -0/+13A simple recap of the current state of America:
Wire tapping without a warrant...check
Arresting people without conviction and holding them indefinitely as long as the are considered a threat to national security...check
The constitution has become disregarded due to a pass in legislation (patriot act)...check
The government disregards its sole purpose to defend the constitution and the people of this nation...check
Police brutality has become a norm...check
Torture is now considered OK...check
Political candidates no longer serve the interest of people but adhere to political/corporate/personal agendas...check
Welcome to Fascist America - RevEng, on 11/20/2007, -5/+18They can arrest their own people -- people whose "freedoms" they are fighting to protect -- without charge and imprison them indefinitely? Even war criminals have more rights than this.
- obliviousfool, on 11/20/2007, -0/+13No, no, no. The other person has a point. Many people I know work 60 or 70 hours a week. This cuts to the root of our collective political slavery. The weakening dollar, the spike in housing, the steady climb of energy costs, the steady climb of health care costs, this adds up to a population that needs to spend most of its time working just to get by. If we had more idle hands, we'd have a revolution.
- imofirey, on 11/20/2007, -0/+12This is true, however now there are men with guns in schools.
- stone42, on 11/20/2007, -1/+12go look up who created and runs al quaeda , go read some history (not the false history you were taught in school ) they have been doing it for years to get what they want geopolitically and you idiots fall for it every time .
check some of this out
http://www.alexanderhamiltoninstitute.org/lp/Hanco ... - HalfBurntToast, on 11/20/2007, -2/+13Hes just trying to stir the hive. Look at his posts, all he does is make posts bashing liberals. Almost sad really.
- oldhick, on 11/20/2007, -0/+11Iraq IS a police state, by definition... Where have you been?
- Waiting2awake, on 11/20/2007, -3/+13RED - that was a straw man, and seeing as you like to do it, Clearly because you refuse to have rights to this guy - CLEARLY you hate peoples rights!!
***** grow up. The problem is this is not a war(declaration of war from congress?) it is a "military engagement" or other such worded statement to get around that pesky rule. All people are a basic human right - ALL people. - banq59, on 11/20/2007, -0/+10It is called Urban Exploring. It is actually quite fun. Abandoned insane asylums are reaaaallly creepy.
- mannyv, on 11/20/2007, -3/+13By the way, this detainment was in Iraq, not in the US. Different rules apply overseas.
It's great that everyone is overflowing with outrage, but maybe you kids could buy a clue before you freak out. - sloudon, on 11/20/2007, -2/+11Of course we cant jump to conclusions, but you have to admit that 19 months in prison without charge is disgraceful.
- wakananda, on 11/20/2007, -4/+13Just as we ought not to speak the truth about America's new concentration camps, because it supposedly insults those were interred in Germany's. And we ought not to question the politically stacked and censored "official" 9/11 Commission's cover up, because it supposedly insults the victims' families (the majority of whom are outraged by the official whitewash and active in demanding an independent inquiry). Horse. *****. Try again.
- ubuwalker31, on 11/20/2007, -2/+11oMEo and DooM, a Miranda warning is not required to be given. It is not a right. It is not even close to being a human right. The police only need to give it if they want to be able to use your testimony in court and not have it excluded.
- Tippis, on 11/20/2007, -4/+13@oMEo
This has nothing to do with Miranda rights. This has to do with the right to fair and regular trial -- a right war criminals *most certainly* have. - eddy23170, on 11/20/2007, -2/+10my guess is that Omeo is 19 years old if he is lucky...his arguing style includes calling people names and using words like "waaaaaaayyyyyy" ..................he is childish and amateur........... yet this is not surprising in the least
- inactive, on 11/20/2007, -4/+12Damn! Talk about cowardly.....
So you would rather just lock this guy up than be bothered doing the work to determine if he's guilty?
You right wingers are so fear driven you've lost the ability to think rationally. - Tippis, on 11/20/2007, -0/+8That's really the whole problem, isn't it?
It looks like an open-shut case, and it seems like they actually do have some evidence to support it.
So why are they weakening their position -- to the point where it should really be thrown out of court -- by breaking international laws? - obliviousfool, on 11/20/2007, -2/+10No, the article is vague, *****.
- WhiskeyLemur, on 06/30/2009, -1/+9Whatever the facts of his case may be, I would say that 19 months is plenty long enough to be waiting for a trial - particularly when no evidence has been submitted. Sure, it's a war zone, and our troops have the right to defend themselves - this includes taking suspicious people into custody.
But how about releasing information about _why_ someone is taken into custody? What is it about this particular case that makes it so top-secret? After 19 months - a year and a half - do you really think this will go to trial? And even if it does, how is his defense to be prepared if they don't know the charges? - inactive, on 11/20/2007, -3/+11Excellent, everything is proceeding according to my design. (maniacal laughter)
- NeverOffside, on 11/20/2007, -7/+14Isn't this just more of the same, rendition of 'prisoners' to torture chambers in Europe, security companies making profits and prolonging the conflict to retain cash cow, even lies about the purpose of the entire Iraq war. They do it because they can, who is going to stop them?
- obliviousfool, on 11/20/2007, -2/+9Are you saying that we should wait for it to get much worse before we start making comparisons?
- Cerebral, on 11/20/2007, -0/+7"I cant wait for the 2008 election, theres so much that needs to be addressed / changed"
Yes but will it... Unless the YOUNG people of this country 18-30ish step up and tell the government they don't like what they are doing, nothing will happen. Everyone is saying that something will happen in the 2008 election but where are the people running to make this change? From what I can tell is that everyone that is running (save Ron Paul and possibly a few others) are all in the same game. So what does it matter when all of congress and local government is voted for? All the players are a part of the game in 90% of the country. The laws need to change about running for congress etc. so that you cannot make a CAREER out of it but guess who writes the laws... yup. This will take a large PHYSICAL force to change our government for the greater good. The lobbying needs to stop. Corporations who have gotten handouts from the government for various things needs to fulfill their promises (I'm talking to you telcos). The copyright and patent laws/system needs a big change. Lastly something needs to be done about the Federal Reserve. There is plenty of money out there for the government. We need to worry about our country and stay out of the affairs of the rest of the world. All the money that has been spent on this pointless war could have easily been spent to help the homeless, sick, needy, poor, uneducated, unemployed and put into the economy and still have money left over. All the subsidy ***** needs to stop along with tax cuts and other benefits of outsourcing labor to other countries. Companies should be penalized for laying off thousands of workers only to outsource the same jobs to other countries. Things like inheritance should not be double taxed. There is so much wrong with this country that the 2008 election really means nothing. It may be a stepping stone or a small pebble thrown into a lake but it is far from a solution. -
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