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- inactive, on 03/09/2009, -7/+64My boat was held for 7 hours from pulling into port in Hong Kong, in 1983. That was clearly because Reagan was weak. And the Echo II class that nearly rammed us in 84 was because Russia didn't fear repercussions.
Jesus people. Grow a pair. - newman8r, on 03/10/2009, -1/+46"The Impeccable responded by spraying one of the vessels with fire hoses and its crew disrobed to their underwear."
WTF... how does taking your clothes off help? - pcbene, on 03/10/2009, -9/+33We also have other countries, including China, doing operations off of our coasts, but we just don't endlessly harass and intimidate them. We respect their right to be there, and do the right thing by giving them shelter during storms. This is just another example of China's immature, jerky political bullying. I can't wait to see it backfire on them...
- MJCfromCT, on 03/10/2009, -4/+28Because things like this didn't happen to Bush a few months into his presidency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_inciden ...
Oh, wait... - sockpuppets, on 03/10/2009, -4/+27Because it's in international waters.
- TheInformer, on 03/10/2009, -1/+19Time to start having our naval ships blaring Britney Spears and Vanilla Ice music at the Chinese. The Chinese will be begging for mercy in under a minute.
- RoflCoptah, on 03/10/2009, -3/+21so like, Chinese dudes taking off their clothes, Americans spraying them with water, and Americans get wood
win win - Mahoney07, on 03/10/2009, -7/+24I guess China doesn't understand what international waters means
- onemoretime842, on 03/10/2009, -1/+18This has happened to surveillance ships for the past couple of decades; this is nothing new. Those surveillance ships are Signals Intelligence monsters, and they soak up valuable intel just sitting there off the coast in int'l waters and recording. Other countries do it to us, although I don't know how we respond. I bet our Navy has even done some of its own harassment. It's like planting a lawn chair on the road in front of your neighbor's house and look in his windows with binoculars, of course it's provoking. US Navy sigint ships have been harassed like this by the USSR, by Cuba, by China, and others; hell, Israel even destroyed one of our ships during the Arab-Israeli war, although that's a different story.
A good book that talks about this is "Body of Secrets," by James Bamford, which is a history of the NSA.
And if you want scary, Eisenhower used to send long-range bombers fitted with sigint equipment over the Artic right up along, and sometimes into, Soviet territory to do aerial surveillance. - bluto36, on 03/09/2009, -18/+35i mean really what do they have to fear? they know Nobody in the white house would let them defend themselves. Just like the Cole, ordered to just watch them get close enough to do damage then act surprised when someone attacks.
- bluto36, on 03/09/2009, -3/+20just saying i was in the gulf 3 times. first two times anything within the large circle of terror got blasted. third time, no circle of terror, just the wave and smile program. little later came the Cole. first two times under bush 1, second time under Clinton.
anyway you were in Subs... we all know the rules are different in subs. subs get to do things that WOULD cause wars on the surface. - morningmatters, on 03/10/2009, -15/+30I am not sure why would any country act so indignant when its spying activities are exposed and threatened. According to the article, Hainan Island has a naval base where China is building some super-duper submarines, just why wouldn't China confront the US "surveillance" (spy) ship when the spy ship is actually in China's backyard?
I would expect the US military do the same if China has some sort of spy plane/boat/vehicles right next to US' own top secret weapon facilities. - phrawgh, on 03/10/2009, -5/+19Sounds like they had thier Wangs out.
- foofightrs777, on 03/10/2009, -1/+15SPRING BREAK WOOOOOOO!!
- hawkspur, on 03/10/2009, -4/+17http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_inciden ...
Naval posturing like this happens all the time, quit blaming Obama for everything. - Mahoney07, on 03/10/2009, -0/+13It was international waters
- Jalh, on 03/10/2009, -3/+16people are missing the point, the American ship was in INTERNATIONAL waters which means it wasn't doing anything illegal .The Chinese gov did something wrong and doesn't matter how close to an "enemy" base you are if you stay in international waters.
- Dumbledorito, on 03/10/2009, -5/+17Oh, please. The USNS Impeccable is ALWAYS saying other boats are ogling her prow or trying to come up astern...
- Mahoney07, on 03/10/2009, -1/+13It was in international waters
- thecoolestguy, on 03/10/2009, -2/+14xaxa, it's international waters, there are rules governing nations' rights in international waters, or are we gonna make new rules whenever it suits China?
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/10/2009, -0/+11Adding... its 125 miles off the coast. That's not just international waters, that's 115 miles away what virtually every country in the world deems its own waters (10 miles from coast), and 25 miles away from China's claimed waters.
China singularly claims 100 miles off its coast, one of the few if any nations in the world that claims that much, (which would envelop parts of Japan, half of South Korea, a huge chunk of Vietnam's coastline, all of Taiwan) and even by those crazy standards the US ship wasn't even close. - txchica, on 03/10/2009, -1/+11xaxa, read this definition of the EEZ.
An exclusive economic zone extends for 200 nautical miles (370 km) beyond the baselines of the territorial sea, thus it includes the territorial sea and its contiguous zone.[3] A coastal nation has control of all economic resources within its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and any pollution of those resources. However, it cannot regulate or prohibit passage or loitering above, on, or under the surface of the sea, whether innocent or belligerent, within that portion of its exclusive economic zone beyond its territorial sea. Before 1982, coastal nations arbitrarily extended their territorial waters in an effort to control activities which are now regulated by the exclusive economic zone, such as offshore oil exploration or fishing rights (see Cod War). Indeed, the exclusive economic zone is still popularly, though erroneously, called a coastal nation's territorial waters.
Take particular notice of this part of it.
"However, it cannot regulate or prohibit passage or loitering above, on, or under the surface of the sea, whether innocent or belligerent, within that portion of its exclusive economic zone beyond its territorial sea." Which means that what the Chinese did was illegal. - donkeybat64, on 03/10/2009, -10/+20dude seriously, what the *****?
think about this logically, when a united states surveillance ship goes 75 miles off a chinese naval base, what the ***** do you think the chinese are going to do?
i dont live in california but imagine a chinese ship 75 miles off the coast california surveying the surroundings. if i were the us naval guy id be pretty ***** scared too... - whorunbartertwn, on 03/10/2009, -0/+9Well since the US Navy calls the ship a surveillance vessel of the 7th fleet, you win the Sherlock award.
- Havoc737903, on 03/10/2009, -1/+10I was confused by that bit also.
- inactive, on 03/10/2009, -2/+11Gut feeling, but I suspect the Chinese don't want anyone finding out that their Hainan base is mothballed due to lack of funds.
- Jovian84, on 03/10/2009, -1/+9does china have a navy or a floating college frat?
- fuzzmeister, on 03/10/2009, -1/+9Also, this is a naval sounding boat. Not exactly a U2 spy plane.
- kthoma22, on 03/10/2009, -5/+13The ship is in international waters. If the ship was in Chinese territory you would have a point but it was in international water.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/10/2009, -2/+10Actually, China has reconnaissance vessels parked in international waters off special naval bases like outside Groton Connecticut where a lot of our North Eastern submarine bases are. A lot of my family are in defense research or in the industry that builds US subs.
Aside from vessels, China has 4 reconnaissance bases in Cuba aimed directly at the USA, just like we have 5 in Taiwan aimed at China.
Just remember, China's defense ministry did say, "War with the USA is not a matter of if, but when". He's kinda jingoistic. - TitanX13, on 03/10/2009, -0/+8@yfph...... yea, that they can later attack with their fire hoses
- kthoma22, on 03/10/2009, -3/+10it wasn't it was in international waters.
- thecoolestguy, on 03/10/2009, -0/+7notice how j10fighter didn't respond to any points you made.
He pretended to acknowledge it, and then in the next sentence went on to ignore it. - ShrimpCrackers, on 03/10/2009, -1/+8Either you're part of China's "50-cent party" or you're an idiot. The US Naval ship was in international waters, not near the border either, [125-10]=115 miles away from China's waters. That's not just excessive, that's really really far off. China was just trying to flex its muscles.
- maliath, on 03/10/2009, -10/+17"If we look back through the years we can see that every time you have had Democrats running the show - we all lose."
Really? Because times were pretty sweet in the 1990's. What other rants with broad generalizations do you have ready for the printing press? I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. - ShrimpCrackers, on 03/10/2009, -1/+8Then we should tell China to remove their 4 reconnaissance bases in Cuba aimed at us, remove their recon ships parks outside Southern Florida, Connecticut, and other naval bases.
- whorunbartertwn, on 03/10/2009, -0/+7some people can't read articles to comprehend whether the ship is in Chinese waters and the US are douches?
- thecoolestguy, on 03/10/2009, -4/+11China is an extremely aggressive state that has geared its entire economic/military system for one thing; to achieve hegemony.
- whorunbartertwn, on 03/10/2009, -1/+8the US would probably bother a foreign ship within it's border, not that it has relevance to this incident in international waters
- ZeeZee2k, on 03/10/2009, -1/+8The Chinese crew took it wrong, they thought it was a wet jeans contest.
- sockpuppets, on 03/10/2009, -2/+9They look more like Wongs to me.
- MetalHead73, on 03/10/2009, -0/+7Your metaphors make me chuckle
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/10/2009, -1/+8Or it will be misconstrued as a horrifying act of terrorism justifying nuclear war...
- txchica, on 03/10/2009, -1/+7125 miles off the coast isn't exactly the same as standing at the edge of someones backyard.
- inactive, on 03/10/2009, -2/+8not if it is trying to ram another ship person who sucks at reading comprehension..
- thecoolestguy, on 03/10/2009, -2/+8j10fighter, the typical Chinese apologist, doesn't care about the truth or what's right.
- Dumbledorito, on 03/10/2009, -1/+7I've heard that among some male populations, the thought of a bunch of nearby sailors disrobing is a reason for panic.
- justjoehere, on 03/10/2009, -1/+7No, there are international rules governing ocean faring.
- solidsnake1298, on 03/10/2009, -1/+7Def. However, I wonder what the Chinese ships would have done if it was an Iowa Class Battleship they were harrassing. Just having those 16 inch guns pointed at you would make a grown man ***** their pants.
- Johnagain, on 03/10/2009, -1/+7Sounds to me like we were trolling for sound signatures for Chinese submarines, and they didn't want us to. Too bad for China that we are in International waters, and are better at this than they are. We have been playing this game with the Soviets/Russians for decades.
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