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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+68a famous communist quote:
The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we shall hang them. - pexor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22One time I got a crackhead to install new locks in my house. I saved 50 bucks so it was totally worth it. Good thing, too, cause my TV, VCR, DVD player, and first born all disappeared the next week, but I still had that money I saved laying around so it wasn't a total loss.
- rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Why are people digging down "eatdontsendspam", this is a true and frightening statement. We should not be exporting and out-sourcing so much of our critical infrastructure and classified programs to a known communist and human rights violating country.
- eatdontsendspam, on 10/12/2007, -12/+28Don't forget they also run some of are ports, what the hell is the U.S. thinking.
- vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Every time I see a link to a dupe... I bury that comment and Digg the article regardless of whether I was going to digg it or not out of spite because the practice needs to stop. So stop it. If the article is a duplicate. See that drop down that says "Bury story"? Mark it duplicate and enough people notice the process will work. Trying to inform them of dupes in the comments just makes the people who only read the front page annoyed.
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9you want stupid? i worked for an aerospace company that worked on classified projects. they had computers with classified data on them hooked up to the internet and riddled with so much spyware on them that if it wasnt for the firewall there wouldve been porn banners popping up in frames on the side of each website they visited.
our sloppyness is going to be our downfall.
oh yeah and did i meantion an open wireless network that only recently was secured? - cedrick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9don't worry! google will save us! with G-bombs (beta). and G-Soldires (beta).
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As long as they don't get hold of our captured alien technology....
- marix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Why does it make you annoyed? In this case the exact same story, title and all, was posted. I get pissed off when people do it to but not because its annoying, i get pissed off because they are jealous that their story didn't make it.
The amount of duplicates on digg, however, is crazy. A system where a copy of the site is compaired to that of the dupe to do a "dupe check" would be great. Maybe instead of letting the guy dupe the story it would auto digg the original and put him into the comments page.
Weeding out dupes, its a good thing. - BigKoi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Worse yet is that our Highways are being contracted out to foreign companies left and right. The problem is that these foreign companies will control the roads and collect tolls from them. Once foreigners control the roads we are basically "share croppers" in our own country.
I included a link to an example below. The Trans Texas Corridor is being outsourced and will be owned by a foreign company. Even more disturbing is that Republican politicians are behind most of these outsourcing plans.
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/07/20/294741-texas-farmers-furious-over-superhighway - OverThere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6There is this little place called the Defense Security Services (http://www.dss.mil/) that may want to speak to these contractors.... and possibly remove their clearance to work on such projects.
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7human rights... yes and I'm shocked that China is accepting outsourced jobs and doing work for a known human rights violating country.
- Radian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ pexor:
Believe it or not, my $$$rich$$$ boss had a meth freak do all the wiring in his new custom house.... 4 months after the house was built, it burned down due to an electrical fire.
I kept hearing (during the job): "You won't BELIEVE how much cheaper this guy is..." - Elohir, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10No matter how inept, corrupt and dangerous Bush and Co are, they have nothing on the Chinese.
- NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7And yet, in the few months of being on Digg, I've only seen 1 or 2 dupes ever hit the front page at the same time, and it doesn't last long. One or the other gets buried as a dupe. I would say Digg does a good job of weeding out dupes on its own. If something hits the front page multiple times, then it apparently has content that was either not seen before by a multitude of new or lax diggers, or is just so cool that it deserves to be dugg up again.
Stop posting about dupes. Nobody cares. - TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Readying the Gbomb. Directing the Gsatellites to the correct area. Picking out the enemy. We did it we hit the G spot.
Ha ha ha
Okay digg me down.
Eric Wilson - Elohir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5He would, he'd just probably be providing tech support for it as well.
- anon52, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It would be very, very interesting to see how much those US contractors are charging the gov't for the $5-14/hour overseas labor. I bet it is in the range of $80-$120/hour - a very nice rate of return. Of course, how is the gov't going to know that Sally Chang (example) is located in the DC environs or closer to Beijing?
There used to be restrictions/regulations that were actually somewhat enforced that talked about the maximum markup (G&A, etc.) that could be used between the labor rate paid and labor rate awarded. My guess is that this is another of those 'anachronistic' rules that just don't apply in the GWOT. More bucks for the bang! (Hello, beltway bandits) - elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's worth noting that a lot of the engineers that work on this stuff move around to different countries with different assignments. What programmer here hasn't reused ideas in different jobs? So Bechtel designs a tank for the Chinese using UK and American engineers, or Boeing farms out production of fighter jets. No big deal, a certain amount of money translates to a certain quality of weapon and everyone knows this.
The bottom line is that arms development is international and the "national security" aspect is only for public consumption. - dubwai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Where I used to work all the top secret people hid in a room with no windows and weren't allowed to take any cell phones inside. No internet access, nothing. I wasn't even allowed to ask what they worked on.
- TechScribe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Exactly.
"Our largest customer is a U.S. defense contractor working on black projects for the U.S.," he said at the AlwaysOn Stanford Summit.
It says the US defense contractor works on black projects, which is hardly surprising. It doesn't say the Chinese contractor works on those.
Myriad levels of approval are needed to subcontract out black work.
This is yellow journalism/tabloid journalism/spam. - bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3it doesn't matter what technology we give China, we still have Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone. We might have to outsource Van Damme, though.
- elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11@rhawk, I agree, but communism isn't evil. In theory it's a good thing, just like capitalism. In fact both have had horrible implementations.
- SnapETom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Except that they're in bed with the Chinese. And so is Yahoo and MS. All one big human-rights-squashing foursome.
- dubwai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm pretty sure that if this is true it's highly illegal. I worked as a defense contractor and you can't get a secret clearance if you aren't a citizen, much less anything top secret.
If the contractor were allowing anyone without a top secret clearance (especially a foriegn national) to see top secret material, they could be tried and convicted of treason which can be punishable by death.
Not to say it isn't happening but if it were, the people involved would be taking a huge risk.
They may be outsourcing non secret parts of the project. That would still be pretty sketchy. I don't think anyone mentioned sabotage. Software easter eggs can be very hard to detect. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6To be fair, nothing in TFA states that the contractor is sending classified or black project work TO the Chinese outsourcing firm. It only states that the contractor is a client.
That said, it's still pretty dangerous for one of our *defense contractors* to be sending work to a country that is *not* an ally and where the gov't has its hand in everything. - diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It seems that both Communism and Capitalism lead to Fascism. When commies fail to produce goods they open the markets, but maintain extreme social and economiic controls. China and the US are meeting in the middle!
When capitalists produce, yet fear the free market forces, they use their wealth to buy off the politicians to enforce a "safe market" for themselves.
We all know too much freedom is a bad thing!
Aaron Russo's American: Freedom to Fascism opens this weekend!!!
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/screenings/screenings.html - elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Did you wander into the wrong thread?
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"""""@rhawk, I agree, but communism isn't evil. In theory it's a good thing, just like capitalism. In fact both have had horrible implementations."""""
Communism in theory would be good but that is ONLY in theory. In reality look at China. A place with NO human rights. Last I checked in America you dont get arrested for giving out flyers about Communism and then put in a jail and killed for your organs without a sedative. In communism that has happened for people promoting freedom. All expression is illegal and they have a giant nationwide firewall keeping information from coming into China. Your an idiot if you think Communism of China and the Capitalism of the United States both have had horrible implementations Maybe stop sputtering rhetoric and actually learn what you are talking about. Get out of your theoretical world and enter the real one.
Eric Wilson - rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This comment might be ugly, but true. The last US President worth anything was Kennedy. Yeah he came from a corrupt family, but at least he was a great guy who tried to buck the system. Look where it got him. The amount of reform that Kennedy was in the process of, and reversing bad programs in government, was astonishing.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[quote]If you happened to go to school in India you wouldnt be using that fancy computer you are on now.[/quote]
You might want to check where half programmers of the software you're using are from. See all those Chinese and Indian names? Think they were born in the US?
Americans like you are in for a very rude awakening. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But they've got Jet Li and Chow Yun Fat.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[quote]Did you wander into the wrong thread?[/quote]
I think he's referring to how Clinton was accused of selling secrets to the Chinese. - SwordofKahless, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The Globalist elite rule western nations and believe they are working towards their uptopian dream of one world government and leveling the playing field for every worker. Bush and his elite buddies in both parties could not give a rats ass about the American worker and the decline of the middle class and poor in the US. This is justified by improving the standard of living and raising people out of poverty throughout the 3rd world and China. It is felt that with these trade policies China will eventually move further towards democratic reforms and just another step towards global unified trade and government.
They are fantasy land to believe this will work and if they followed world history that every great nation fallen trying to do the same. How long will China play along? We are at the point that if China ever wanted to cripple the US they could without even firing a shot.
There needs to be an effort to take back America from both parties that have sold out its people. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm going to add that this is nightmarishly fantastic, China's defense minister also said that, "war with the United States is not a matter of if, but a matter of when". He's also known for threatening to nuke to USA on multiple occasions.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[quote]It seems that both Communism and Capitalism lead to Fascism.[/quote]
That's why the US government was created with a system of checks and balances that was supposed to prevent this kind of thing. But once the federal government was allowed to borrow $$$, it was all over for that.
Today, we have the military-industrial complex, a cabal of contractors closely tied to the US government, military, intelligence agencies, energy infrastructure, and media. They control what happens in the US. For them, it is all about profit, and expansion of their power.
Deals with Communists, with Islamic terrorists, narcogangsters, it doesn't matter because they are making a fortune off of it. America will never be invaded, but the land, the businesses, the infrastructure can all be sold off. And the American citizen will be left as a slave, with practically no rights. Foreign banks and investors, and multinational conglomerates will control EVERYTHING.
Ofcourse, something radical may happen that they don't expect. Perhaps Americans might actually start standing up for their rights. - rhawk301, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Alright, since several people were mentioning communism, I wanted to add some last notes for the record. Communism itself is not a bad idea, its just that it does not work in practice. Unfortunately, government systems get corrupted and power seems to flow into a vacuum. With a Republic like America (or at least the way it is supposed to be) power is supposed to be kept de-centralized.
- bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I have two suggestions for you: write complete ideas so people can understand what the ***** you are talking about, and don't immediately assume everyone is hostile to you or your ideas."
@elephantdog
I did add a comment to the tread to clarify my idea. You'll notice the comment above. Aside from that, frequently people submit an idea and Digg times out. It can't be sufficiently edited. My comment should have been taken in context to the headline above, of course. Your sarcastic response was totally unnecessary. Why you're swearing and apparently worked up now is beyond me.
My initial comment was obviously on the original headline. I'm surprised that classified defense work can be outsourced to China without an uproar. US citizens should be outraged that an executive branch, including the president, would allow such actions. It's doubtful any uproar will happen. I expect people to bury their heads in the sand about this problem, one the president should be spearheading. I expect the usual contempt for the left from many in the public and continued accusations of communism against us. All of this while apparently classified defense work is outsourced to a "communist" country. - quine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, I happen to right now - granted its only a public trust position, but I can tell you that the security audits at our data center are outrageous even for just civilian agencies.
- eatdontsendspam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1tmessing
Your probably thinking of the recent controversy with a Dubai co. managing some ports. That did get nixed, but a Chinese government owned company still runs some other ports. - ding2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Come on, how many of you guys really went to China recently, and lived there to take a close look? Communist China? You guys are living in the past! Every Chinese would laugh at you when you talk like that. Even the highest ranking officials of the Chinese Communist Party are not communists, which is the public common sense in China. Wake up!!! Talking about reality, are you guys in the reality of China. The truth is, economically China is closer to 19-century capitalism than US; politically China is of course backward in the sense of modern standards of society. I am so amazed at how lack of knowledge of China by so many of Americans.
- elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2No. What you said has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Also, how is my question a personal attack? I have two suggestions for you: write complete ideas so people can understand what the ***** you are talking about, and don't immediately assume everyone is hostile to you or your ideas.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I call BS on this. For anybody that has ever worked for a company that does work for the government including black projects there is a little thing called ITAR the government is very strict about!!!
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The US died with your comment. Way to bring us down, man!
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1[quote]Where I used to work all the top secret people hid in a room with no windows and weren't allowed to take any cell phones inside. No internet access, nothing. I wasn't even allowed to ask what they worked on.[/quote]
That was the baby-eating room, where they performed their daily Satanic ceremonies. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It doesn't matter what the Chinese Communist Party (which insists its socialist) is. In the end the world's human rights organizations say that China is amongst the worst 10 in human rights and civil liberties. Militaristically its very aggressive and has attacked most of its neighbors in the last 60 years. Their defense minister has called the US a sworn enemy. Thats enough I think.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1We are trusting our defense research to a country with a government that has killed more than 60 million people? One that has expanded more than 35% in land space in the last 60-70 years? One that has had initiated battles with most of its neighbors?
Right. I'm not sure how I'm going to sleep well tonight. - RetroRufio, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Dude, I'm so glad you posted that link! Thanks a lot, in fact, if anyone else would like to submit links to their previous submissions of this article, I'm sure all of us will be grateful.
:: rolls eyes :: - IpodCrazy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1What do you think they teach us in school? They teach us what they want us to learn....or whatever the text books say that are 30+ years old.
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