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- inactive, on 11/22/2007, -15/+115The title of the article actually states that China allowed the carrier access "after all". LOL! Now even the people who post the diggs don't read the article.
- boston02115, on 11/22/2007, -18/+94Aggressive submarines and blocked port access are not even the tip of the iceberg for the looming problems with China. Let's not also forget China's recent successful anti-satellite tests. Who would need that?
The critical issue is not military in nature. Hu Jintao holds over one TRILLION dollars of our debt, and can crush the value of the dollar, our ability to borrow, and send the US economy into a tailspin overnight by simply dumping these holdings back onto world markets. The scale of China's holdings are unprecedented and represent a threat far more fundamental than anything Iran or Iraq could ever offer up.
As if this isn't scary enough, China currently has 30 million adolescent aged males coming into adulthood without any any females to marry them. The merger of ultrasound technology with the Chinese cultural preference for male offspring (and female infanticide) results in up to 125 male births for every 100 females in large regions of the country. What's an oppressive communist nation to do with 30 million extra men? - inactive, on 11/22/2007, -61/+135What the ***** do you expect? Can you imagine if Chinese or Russian aircraft carrier tried to gain access to one of our major ports? Lou Dobbs will lose his mind! Glen Beck will say "America is under attack!"
- whataboutdave, on 11/22/2007, -11/+79I take it you've never been in New York during fleet week. We grant the navies of the world access to our harbors all the time.
- inactive, on 11/22/2007, -11/+51it's their house. If they say no, we come back.
Just because we're American, doesn't mean we're always right. Do you complain just as much when people in your neighborhood deny your entry to their homes?
It sucks for those sailors, but the decision is entirely China's prerogative in this case. - ChiGGz, on 11/22/2007, -6/+45If only they had named it the SS. Hello Kitty.
- ronh, on 11/22/2007, -1/+36I'm from San Diego and foreign ships would always be in port including China and Russia.
- jerwong, on 11/22/2007, -1/+34They should enable port forwarding.
- Pinkertinkle, on 11/22/2007, -30/+62It's China's port, they can do what they want with it.
- inactive, on 11/22/2007, -14/+43China blocked a long-planned Thanksgiving visit to Hong Kong by a U.S. aircraft carrier group, then abruptly changed its mind on Thursday.
ALERT THE INTERNET - Nudar, on 11/22/2007, -9/+31Sure they can but don't say we can go and then change your mind at the last minute to make us look dumb.
- Grumps, on 11/22/2007, -9/+27Misleading title.
"then abruptly changed its mind on Thursday. But it was too late to save the holiday visit. A U.S. official said the trip has since been scrapped and the ships continued steaming to their Japanese base." - AxeSwinger, on 11/22/2007, -3/+20You are right about it's China's port and they control who enters but port calls are known well in advance so much so families of the crew were able to get visas (six week process) into China. This was China diplomatically messing with the US. If your friend in Seattle asked if he could stop by your house in New York for Thanksgiving and when he showed up you refused to let him in until he was already on a plane back to Seattle would be the better analogy.
- Trublmakr, on 11/22/2007, -9/+26*****,.. no parking,.. drive around.
- dragonstar4647, on 11/22/2007, -0/+15No, actually, they haven't. You'd know that if you'd read the second paragraph of the article - "But it was too late to save the holiday visit. A U.S. official said the trip has since been scrapped and the ships continued steaming to their Japanese base."
- MrNexus, on 11/22/2007, -2/+17I think you're a mental midget.
- URnotheonly1, on 11/22/2007, -10/+25Kitty Hawk is not a nuke, Hong Kong has been a west pas port for decades, what just happened is the Chinese are taking Hong Kong away
- Nudar, on 11/22/2007, -6/+20North Korea is the worst.
- Rammsteined, on 11/22/2007, -5/+17Earth is the worst abuser of human rights on this planet.
- LloydBentsen, on 11/22/2007, -5/+17Well, they did deny access initially... that means access was "denied". It isn't inaccurate. China denied access.
Anyway, I will admit that being denied military access to another country's port is nothing to be upset about. However, I do think it is very very nice of the Chinese government to go ahead and allow the visit for the purposes of the family and all. - archimago42, on 11/22/2007, -0/+12You clearly don't live near the water.
- mclumber1, on 11/22/2007, -1/+12Me and my ship (USS Nimitz) just visited Hong Kong in August. It's a great city, if you ever get a chance to go, do it! There is so much to do and see. It's like New York City but with shorter people.
It's a little weird that the Kitty Hawk got denied and then allowed within a couple of hours. As far as I know Aircraft carriers probably make a half dozen stops in Hong Kong every year.
On a side note, I'm stuck on my ship today (Thanksgiving), here in San Diego, because I'm on duty. They actually spent some money on food, so Thanksgiving dinner wasn't that bad. - Jexie, on 11/22/2007, -0/+11Yep, they do all the time actually.
- Nerfdude, on 11/22/2007, -1/+10japan is one of our greatest allies. we have several military bases there. of course they won't deny access. i'm sorry the public school system has failed you.
- mattsw84, on 11/22/2007, -0/+9Happens every day.
- yellowsnowcone, on 11/23/2007, -0/+9Most people here are disappointed the ships aren't coming ... especially the entertainment establishments in Wan Chai.
- Terr01, on 11/22/2007, -1/+10I think you're right--it's one of those diplomatic messages being sent.
--Speaking as a ten-year HK resident and US expatriate. (At last, my credentials matter! :P ) - rnelsonee, on 11/23/2007, -1/+10It is China's port and of course they can do what they want (in a sense, Hong Kong's gov't is still very much divorced from the mainland), but this is news because it's unprecedented. It's not like this is the first carrier group to try to dock in Hong Kong. Hell, I docked in Hong Kong on a US Navy destroyer twice this summer and I'm not even in the Navy! (I'm a contractor - I ride with 'em once in a while). And both times, there were large US ships (cruisers, destroyers, frigates) in port there (BTW, Hong Kong is insanely busy and crowded, there's only space to dock against a buoy out in the water, and they ferry you in).
So couple this with the Chinese Song class sub surfacing near this same ship near Okinawa, along with our military funding that was just earmarked for Taiwan, and you really get a sense that China's hospitality - which has been a great resource to the Navy - is about to run out, and could significantly change our attitudes/policies in the Pacific. - ByteGuerilla, on 11/22/2007, -1/+9It is world news, that's why. I think you're confusing the usage of 'world', with its usage in 'World Series'.
- Nerfdude, on 11/22/2007, -5/+13"They should have asked if they could dock far ahead of time."
from the article: "China blocked a long-planned Thanksgiving visit"
an old acronym comes to mind: RTFA. - archimago42, on 11/22/2007, -0/+8You clearly didn't read the article and are blatantly wrong and somehow you still got dugg up. Pathetic.
- LloydBentsen, on 11/22/2007, -1/+9Anytime the two most influential countries in the world do so much as to sneeze in the others general direction it will- and should be- considered world news.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/22/2007, -1/+9No it isn't.
It China's decision just like American ports are completely under American jurisdiction.
This is not the same thing as an Embassy. - mattsw84, on 11/22/2007, -2/+10Sucks for the sailors who have to spend Thanksgiving on the ship when they could be enjoying some shore leave.
- musicpyrite, on 11/22/2007, -2/+10Kill yourself.
- troycott, on 11/22/2007, -23/+30***** em. who wants to eat egg rolls for thanksgiving anyway?
- indiephoenix, on 11/23/2007, -2/+9As much as I dislike Bush, I'd rather not see sailors and their families get screwed out of holiday time together (not to mention the money spent to visit Hong Kong) for a metaphorical bitch slap. Not to mention, I really don't see what China has or would have really gained from this other than a loss of potential revenue from 8,000 visitors in Hong Kong over the course of a few days.
If the possible reasons mentioned in the article were the cause (Dalai Lama, Tawain), this hasn't affected that. Both China and the U.S. are still going to flaunt their military power near each as they normally do, Hu Jintao and George Bush will sleep as soundly as they did prior to this, and the people of both countries will continue to get caught in the middle of such pissing contests.
But, as long as you got satisfaction from numerous people getting screwed over while neither side gained anything, then I guess it's just fine, right? - JohnnyRC36, on 11/23/2007, -0/+6They granted access after the carrier had already turned around and was on its way back to Japan. It was too late... You don't read *****.
- Chompy, on 11/22/2007, -4/+10Battle stations, everyone!
- faithfreedom, on 11/22/2007, -5/+11Allow access then denied access then allow access again. Make up your own damn mind, suckers.
- Wartz, on 11/22/2007, -0/+5you mean, America sold them the tech to make spy cams to make themselves, but they are ***** quality and break down every 2 weeks.
- 16777216, on 11/22/2007, -9/+14Oh yes, our comeuppance. I suppose we should stop sending any aid to any ***** country except our own. Israel and Africa can suck off then. Oh yes we should also stop supporting any open soft ware works here in America, not the government but WE THE PEOPLE, we should also stop routing the internet at all...I mean that is also valuable. We should also stop sending you and military aid, at all. We should stop allowing other countries to buy our natural resources, our property, our military secrets. We should keep all our medical technology and advancements too ourselves as well...***** we should just concentrate on ourselves and our science and build super hyper bolica lasers and blast anyone. Ya know, we haven't done all that yet... may be we should. Then we'll see who is the rogue cow boy *****.
Also do not generalize a whole ***** country you *****. - jgtg32a, on 11/23/2007, -0/+5And thank you for it.
- warriorscot, on 11/22/2007, -0/+5Every Muslim I know masturbates and has pre marital sex, pretty much like every catholic I know as well. Only the nutters follow the nutter rules.
- mclumber1, on 11/23/2007, -0/+5Oops! I already reenlisted 3 years ago. I get out in 2011.
- ParticleMan420, on 11/22/2007, -1/+6not if you read the whole thing.
- Terr01, on 11/22/2007, -6/+11"Taking Hong Kong Away?"
You mean, like when the area was handed over to limited Chinese control TEN YEARS AGO? - Xondar, on 11/23/2007, -0/+5What the hell? Reported as inaccurate? This is freaking Reuters and Digg users have reported it as inaccurate?
Those inaccurate tags are now completely worthless. - shaherazad, on 11/22/2007, -3/+8Hu Jintao doesn't personally hold any US assets. Chinese citizens hold those assets. While China is socially communist, they are economically capitalist.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 11/22/2007, -0/+5Not even close in terms of scale is North Korea the worst.
However both are the worst 10 in terms of human rights, civil liberties, and press freedom. -
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