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- americaindanger, on 02/01/2008, -1/+20When I was in high school back in the late '80s and early '90's, our FFA teacher, had the County Game Warden come out and we shot skeets and learned gun safety. It was informative and fun. It's better than teaching kids that guns are bad and we should let the government protect us.
- arcticJKL, on 02/01/2008, -1/+15Gun safety should be taught in schools along with first aid and driving.
Every student should be able to properly fire a handgun and rifle safely.
- Indyanna, on 02/01/2008, -1/+13I have no problem with teens being taught gun safety. But I much prefer the lessons come from family members - not the school system.
- exgop, on 02/01/2008, -0/+10more guns in law abiding citizens the lower the violent crime rate...FACT
- Napoleone, on 02/01/2008, -0/+8Look at the following two statements:
1. "Yeah, this is a good idea given that the GOP and right wing do thier best to ensure America has a gun problem and millions live in fear of gun violence."
2. "Only a bunch of cowards would think this way. Your fear rules you.
Try manning up."
Do you not see the disconnect between those two statements?
Like it or not, the 2nd Amendment is here to stay. And the day bearing arms is outlawed will be a violent one. I know firsthand the dangers of gun violence. I've been shot at, and I've had friends and family murdered. I know what's at stake. But this right is the only one capable of enforcing all the others.
I know a lot of people believe the U.S. will never end and peace will always be with us. But that's just fantasythink. Abandon this quixotic quest of yours for Utopia or you're going to get us all killed. - inactive, on 02/01/2008, -3/+11Liberals will never allow this to happen. If they did start teaching firearms safety in schools, accidental shootings would plummet while firearms sales increased further. Neither is a desirable outcome for the gungrabbers.
- inactive, on 02/02/2008, -0/+8I am 63. Back when I was in elementary school, every year we had gun safety, taught by members of the local police force. Our parents also taught it at home. I lived in a suburb of Washington DC, and we had a home-made shooting range set up in the basement for my brother's and my .22s. In those days, drive-by shootings were only a memory from Prohibition, and we didn't need armed cops and metal detectors in the schools. It's not the guns, folks, but the lack of responsible adults running the country or electing those who do. We have 2 generations now, of self-centered, self-absorbed children in adult bodies, turned out by our government schools, willing to do damn near anything they are told to, if it "makes me feel good about myself." Bring back morals, the 3 Rs, the work ethic, and the Citizens Right to Keep and Bear Arms! Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will plow for those who still have swords...
- skiddles, on 02/01/2008, -3/+10If liberals don't like it, the course could be changed to include learning how to put a condom on a gun barrel. I'm sure they would approve then.
- BruceTheHoon, on 02/01/2008, -0/+7This is obviously a very emotionally charged issue. As a gun owner I would like to forward these couple ideas:
1. Many of the people against this training suggest that learning how to use a gun will increase "murder" or other gun related violent behavior. This sentiment,coming (usually) from the more liberal crowd here seems to reflect exactly the conservative view on sex education. If we teach our kids about sex, they'll want to have it. Sound familiar? Both sex and firearms are glorified in movies and on TV. While common theory suggests that the consequences of unsafe sex should be taught to kids, and proper use of safety devices (condoms etc) are demonstrated to children, firearm safety is ignored. If more 12 year olds were getting HIV, would there not be a great outcry for safety education in schools? Why then is there not a greater outcry for firearm safety?
2. I forward that it is important, even if you DESPISE guns, that you learn how to safely handle one - even if just to know how to safely unload and activate any safety's that might be on it. Even if you decide not to own a firearm, what happens if your child goes to a neighbor's house where a gun might be available? Wouldn't more knowledge be useful in that circumstance? - BruceTheHoon, on 02/01/2008, -0/+7I'm confused here... You DO agree with teaching safe sex. You DO agree that there are kids shooting kids accidentally. You DISAGREE that these kids should be taught to safely handle the guns?
You want kids to have sex education (no problem there with me). Does that mean that learning to have sex safely will encourage kids to go out and have sex? I thought that was thinking from the other side of the fence. - donavan, on 02/02/2008, -0/+6Let me preface this by saying that grew up in West Virginia, I graduated high school in '96 and If i recall correctly I went through the hunter safety course when I was in 8th grade, so that would have made it sometime around '91 or '92. This isn't as big a deal as the headlines want you to believe. West Virginia has for quite some time offered the course to students and most of them took it (if for no other reason than to get out of class for a few hours). And just in case you wondering there was no shooting of weapons during the course it is just about the safety aspects of guns. Another things to remember in WV there are per capita just as many guns as TVs, so chances are very few teens living in this state haven't already been exposed to some type of firearm. Now a message to all you anti-gun people posting on here. The problem is not the guns, I have been shooting since I was about 10, hell the first gun I ever shot was an AR15 and I have fired many more since then. And never once have I picked one up with the intent on harming someone, but yes I would use one in defense. The problem is nut cases and criminals. No amount of gun control will ever stop someone from committing a violent act against some one if they are hell bent on doing it. The only thing gun control does is make it harder for your average person to get one. A person planning on using it for evil will find a way to get one if they really want one. And to all of you out there that want to say well thats just because you don't know anyone thats been shot, wrong. My best friend was shot by a friend of his who didn't use it safely and just goofed around with it. Thankfully he is still alive and well with the exception of a missing kidney and the addition of a nice sized scar and bullet in is back. But he is one of the most pro-gun people I know. Personally I think every state should teach gun safety, they are out there and chances are that at some point in your life someone is going to have one around you. Better to know how to use something safely and decided personally that you don't to use one than to have people using then that don't use them safely . Would you want some behind the wheel of a car that didn't know how to drive ?
- inactive, on 02/02/2008, -0/+6This will send liberals into gurly-boy swoons. I can hear the flowery rhetoric now, proving once again that liberals feel and conservatives think. I started shooting at the age of five. When I was in the 9th grade, we were allowed to take our long guns to school, because we went to a one-room schoolhouse in the woods of the Black Hills and it was just too long a walk for many of us to go back home to get them. Many of us had handguns setting out in plain sight in our homes. There were no mass shootings. There were no stupid accidents. We were taught to respect guns and how to use them. Just shows how liberalism has dumbed down our kids. I carry a gun to this day. I find it ironic that the very drama queens who call this a police state and a fascist country are so willing to give up freedoms they don't like. It doesn't matter whether you're scared of guns or you hate guns or you don't care about the issue one way or the other. When you give the government the power to take some of our freedoms, you give them the power to take all our freedoms. The government should fear us, we should not fear the government.
- inactive, on 02/03/2008, -0/+6Almost as many Diggs as comments (35+), and it's not popular. Interesting...
- inactive, on 02/02/2008, -2/+7"Yeah, this is a good idea given that the GOP and right wing do thier best to ensure America has a gun problem and millions live in fear of gun violence.
Only a bunch of cowards would think this way. Your fear rules you."
That is a gem. :)
So "mighty" dave, tell me more about this irrational fear of inanimate objects that you suffer from. Is it the power exuded by what you see as a large phallic symbol? Does this intimidate you? Does it make you feel inadequate? - thomoore, on 02/01/2008, -0/+5Let's inject a few facts into the debate. This article
http://www.scragged.com/articles/a-gun-in-every-st ...
explains that when we gave up our right to protect ourselves and turned it over to the government, we got no protection at all. Women were a lot safer in the Wild West than they are today – nobody wanted to mess with a woman who might have a gun hidden in her bustle. See also:
http://www.scragged.com/articles/show-your-handgun ... - knucklebusted, on 02/03/2008, -0/+5Growing up, I had access to many guns and never once shot anyone. A teacher in 1978 asked to borrow my pump BB gun. We would often see a deer rifle in the back of a pickup truck. It wasn't a big thing and there never was an incident with a firearm in the entire time I was in school.
My daughter shot her first firearm at the tender age of 7. She enjoyed and has no great fear or curiosity about guns. She knows they are safe and not toys. No mystery, no desire to get one out and play with it.
It isn't rural America that is the problem, it is the people living 10 deep that are the loons. - kevinsparakeet, on 02/01/2008, -1/+6The article states that the weapons will not be able to fire. Firearms safety, proper handling, legal obligations, even basic marksmanship can and should be taught in schools. (Although, to be honest, parents should be able to opt-out their children if they wish) It is only through education that people can be taught to properly respect and handle firearms. Those who are will think twice before using or handling them, hence, fewer accidental firearm deaths.
- quasar05, on 02/02/2008, -0/+4I live in West Virginia and I don't need the school system to teach my kids about guns. That will be done by me at the appropriate time.
My children will know how to use firearms and know their 2nd amendment rights. - MacEnvy, on 02/02/2008, -0/+4+1 for impeccable logic. I wish there was more of it to be seen from both sides on this issue.
- inactive, on 02/03/2008, -0/+4I always wondered when Liberal logic would circle round back in their faces on this one,, I mean,, this is the same reason we teach 9 year olds how to apply condoms in public schools don't we?? "education is the key" they always say
- Audacitor, on 02/01/2008, -0/+4I'm with you. Given how successful the school system has been in all areas (including such critical subjects as sex ed), I wouldn't trust them to teach my 10 year old how to use the web.
- h4ckler, on 02/03/2008, -0/+3A gun is only as dangerous as the person holding it. No more.
- Savage24, on 02/03/2008, -0/+3I don't have any problem with teaching gun safety to children. I just hope they have a safety course more realistic than the hunters safety class here in New Mexico.It was designed by the liberals and taught by liberals. Worthless!
- Christianptriot, on 02/01/2008, -4/+7Hey mightydavefish, you need a brief history lesson:
BEFORE liberals ruled the schools, safety and responsibility for ones' own actions were taught in controlled environments, and sex was taught at home by the parents. There were almost NO incidents of kids getting shot at school, and you rarely if ever heard about pregnant high school girls.
Enter the liberal wack-tards ( to use some of your vernacular) in the early 1960s, and within 40 years we have: Lowest SAT scores in the past 50 years; No more prayer in schools; more violence in schools than on many city streets; cops patrolling school hallways; pregnancy counselors and day care centers at high schools; abortions, drug use, lower standard scores....the list goes on a long way.
Safety of all kinds should be taught in school as others have commented. What we don't need is for someone -liberals almost always - saying that guns murder and sex is safe. Guns SAVE lives - I carry a handgun to protect my family because the police are always the last to show up at a crime scene (to fill out paperwork and make that chalk outline) and they are under NO LEGAL OBLIGATION to provide for your safety or mine.
Liberals want the government to provide everything for them so they don't have to be responsible - abortion is a prime example but that is for another Digg. You don't want anyone to have guns so you will feel safer, but in cities and countries where they ban guns (including DC, Chicago, Baltimore, etc.) crimes and victims are piling up all over the place.
Accidental shootings were rare events 50 years ago when everyone, even the girls and women, knew how to safely handle a firearm. Why you and so many other liberals want to provide a huge pool of defenseless and ignorant victims for criminals is beyond me. - knucklebusted, on 02/03/2008, -0/+3You make a good argument and I welcome any fellow Second Amendment supporter but every time I hear about a gun control law, it is 9 out of 10 times a Democrat. I get the NRA voting scorecard and a few Dems do get A+ and a few GOPs get F but they are the rarity and not the norm. When a Dem supports the 2nd Amendment, he isn't that liberal. When a GOPer goes against it, he is not a conservative, by definition.
- inactive, on 02/03/2008, -0/+3Then I'm sure you will be able to opt your child out. But a lot of children don't have responsible parents like you, and I still want them to learn how to safely operate (and unload) a gun. Your kids might know gun safety, but what about your neighbors' kids and the kids your children play with? (I understand that if you're smart enough to teach your kids about gun safety, then you're also probably smart enough to know whether there are guns or not in the houses where your children play.)
- Napoleone, on 02/01/2008, -0/+3I think it was a just a joke. I support sex education for those students who want it and have permission, and even I thought it was funny.
- Christianptriot, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2No, the information I cite is proven statistics, not something I made up.
- Jashobeam5, on 02/02/2008, -0/+2We were taught archery in school. I think if parents want this class it should be taught off campus at a shooting range, not on campus. And yeah, I was taught to shoot around age 10 by my parents. I just don't think it's the school's job to do it, especially not on school grounds. I feel the same way about sex-ed.
- knucklebusted, on 02/03/2008, -0/+2If that's what it takes to keep foreign objects from obstructing the barrel, whatever floats your boat.
- knucklebusted, on 02/03/2008, -0/+2It would make the Jihadis think twice if they knew every single person was capable of shooting them dead.
- arcticJKL, on 02/03/2008, -0/+1I think the purpose of this particular lesson is gun safety. The dont want kids hurt by hunting weapons. There is no focus on self defense or even learning how to shoot more accurately
I would be in favor of any class that taught safe handling of weapons and how to respond to finding a gun. I also would be in favor of teaching how to use them properly. - inactive, on 02/03/2008, -0/+1In environmentally-adverse conditions (rain, snow) people will use condoms, baggies, balloons or whatever to keep foreign materials out of the barrel. This is a serious safety matter, actually, because discharging a firearm with a plugged muzzle will often cause it to explode.
- MacEnvy, on 02/02/2008, -1/+2There are plenty of us gun-supporting liberals out there, believe me. The dumbest thing the modern Democratic Party ever did was fashion a platform plank out of "gun control". This should NOT be a partisan issue, and there's no reason us gun folks should pretend it is. Gun rights advocates only lose supporters when they blame "liberals" for things like the AWB. Blame urban totalitarians instead, which include such self-proclaimed consevatives as Rudy Giuliani. And for the more educated people among us, it's important to remember that the historic definition of "liberal" has nothing to do with guns.
Let's fight the "gun grabbers" together, conservative and liberals both. It's stupid to make it a partisan, divisive issue when there's no reason for it to be. Remember, social conservatives are just as bad in regard to taking away constitutionally guaranteed rights as so-called liberals. This is NOT a partisan issue. - Kewlheart, on 02/03/2008, -0/+1Bravo West Virginia! Firearm education and safety will benefit society in a great many GOOD ways!
- MisterWonderful, on 02/03/2008, -1/+1I hardly think a gun is inanimate. But don't let that stop you from looking like a jackass.
- MisterWonderful, on 02/01/2008, -6/+3Yeah wow. The stupid is strong in this thread.
- inactive, on 02/02/2008, -6/+1These lawmakers just have to be kidding me. They just have to, is all. I mean what part of children and guns do not mix don't these irresponsible lawmakers there in West Virginia understand???!!! Have they not seen enough of their children's' blood being shed to want to actually ADD to their already outlandish, inappropriate and bizarre gun laws already in effect? While I agree that all human beings should have the right to self-defend their lives, when it comes to LETHAL self-defense (especially in the case of minor children), I become absolutely livid at the prospect of adults wanting to educate their children that a lethal weapon such as a gun, is the best form of self-defense. What I REALLY find difficult to understand is: 1) Why aren't more state lawmakers pushing for mandatory education in the schools on the subjects of non-violence and conflict resolution instead of teaching our children how to handle a killing machine like a gun, for goodness sakes?! 2) If the state lawmakers want to give self-defense lessons to our children in the public schools (after obtaining parental/guardian permission of course) they should at least see to it that it is less than lethal self-defense, such as martial arts and less than lethal weaponry. MY choice of the best personal less-lethal weapon is called the Avurt ™ IM-5 ™ gun and it goes without saying that when using it as a teaching tool for children, it would be deactivated in the proper manner as deemed by the trained instructors who would be in charge. Most important of ALL, until our mindsets are changed about the use of weapons, we cannot hope for a less violent world.
- inactive, on 02/02/2008, -6/+0These lawmakers just have to be kidding me. They just have to, is all. I mean what part of children and guns do not mix don't these irresponsible lawmakers there in West Virginia understand???!!! Have they not seen enough of their children's' blood being shed to want to actually ADD to their already outlandish, inappropriate and bizarre gun laws already in effect? While I agree that all human beings should have the right to self-defend their lives, when it comes to LETHAL self-defense (especially in the case of minor children), I become absolutely livid at the prospect of adults wanting to educate their children that a lethal weapon such as a gun, is the best form of self-defense. What I REALLY find difficult to understand is: 1) Why aren't more state lawmakers pushing for mandatory education in the schools on the subjects of non-violence and conflict resolution instead of teaching our children how to handle a killing machine like a gun, for goodness sakes?! 2) If the state lawmakers want to give self-defense lessons to our children in the public schools (after obtaining parental/guardian permission of course) they should at least see to it that it is less than lethal self-defense, such as martial arts and less than lethal weaponry. MY choice of the best personal less-lethal weapon is called the Avurt ™ IM-5 ™ gun and it goes without saying that when using it as a teaching tool for children, it would be deactivated in the proper manner as deemed by the trained instructors who would be in charge. Most important of ALL, until our mindsets are changed about the use of weapons, we cannot hope for a less violent world.
Marilyn's Non-Violent Planet
http://www.non-violent.com - inactive, on 02/01/2008, -10/+4Hey, that's funny.
Ignorant kids is such a joke!
Too bad morons like you still think this way.
So gun ed= good and sex ed=bad?
Retard. - inactive, on 02/01/2008, -16/+2LOL
Great.
They are so ***** retarded they don't want to teach kids about sex, but they'll teach them how to murder.
Brilliant!
And the gun nut ***** come chiming in, showing their stupidity.
It's amazing people can be this dumb and still tie their own shoes.
Yeah, this is a good idea given that the GOP and right wing do thier best to ensure America has a gun problem and millions live in fear of gun violence.
Only a bunch of cowards would think this way. Your fear rules you.
Try manning up.
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