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- mattowan, on 05/16/2008, -18/+295Easiest thing in America to do is to not fight in a war. Simply don't join the military. It is a 100% all volunteer military.
- johnabq, on 05/16/2008, -74/+317All wars will end when all young men refuse to fight...
- SeekritSkwirl, on 05/16/2008, -50/+185When (in your pipe dream) "all young men refuse to fight," you get opression and tyranny of Saddamic proportions.
Wars will not end because young men refuse to fight. Wars will end because men will refuse to allow others to own them, usurp their Rights and limit their Freedoms.
Period. - whodat51773, on 05/16/2008, -21/+95It's okay to disobey a lawful order in time of war as long as you are prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions....
Any person subject to this chapter who before or in the presence of the enemy--
(1) runs away;
(2) shamefully abandons, surrenders, or delivers up any command, unit, place, or military property which it is his duty to defend;
(3) through disobedience, neglect, or intentional misconduct endangers the safety of any such command, unit, place, or military property;
(4) casts away his arms or ammunition;
(5) is guilty of cowardly conduct;
(6) quits his place of duty to plunder or pillage;
(7) causes false alarms in any command, unit, or place under control of the armed forces;
(8) willfully fails to do his utmost to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy any enemy troops, combatants, vessels, aircraft, or any other thing, which it is his duty so to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy; or
(9) does not afford all practicable relief and assistance to any troops, combatants, vessels, or aircraft of the armed forces belonging to the United States or their allies when engaged in battle;
shall be punished by death or such punishment as a court-martial may direct. - inactive, on 05/16/2008, -43/+116Wow, a bunch of neocons in Digg today. Hey, I'm a christian Ron Paul delegate, so eat your fascist war.
- usafdave, on 05/16/2008, -9/+77Oh, snap... someone finally said it. Muchas gracias.
Let's not forget that since he has been in for 6 years (RTFA), he PROBABLY re-enlisted at some point. So the whole, "I was suckered in right after highschool, boo hoo hoo" argument holds NO water. - kemp34, on 05/16/2008, -23/+79Send Bush to the front lines to fight with his men.
- Jacolyte, on 05/16/2008, -27/+69Finally, someone with some ***** balls.
- zephyr42, on 05/16/2008, -7/+48Or when the economy collapses and their money is worthless... (see Germany after WWII)
- MrWhite7, on 05/16/2008, -17/+57Read a ***** history book you ignorant flag waving piece of *****. Start in 1947 and focus on how we've been ***** with the entire region for 60 years. Peaceniks have nothing to do with our failures in Iraq and until you stop treating the political process like a ***** football game, you'll be blind to that fact.
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -10/+47Right now the only one limiting my freedoms and rights is my own government
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -15/+47Why are you threatening to ass rape him?
And SOME people will always want to kill.
The rest of us try for better.
But hey, it's so much easier for you to just give up and play the "fight or die" game, right?
"Are you in Frisco?"
WTF is that supposed to mean?
Geez, with the "bend over" and Frisco I'm guessing you are trolling for man meat.
Typical rightard. - ryansmith18, on 05/16/2008, -3/+31...the draft has no mechanical power to force you to fight. If you get drafted, you can still refuse to fight. You just have to pay consequences.
- swansend, on 05/16/2008, -32/+57I believe this soldier is braver than the neo-cons digging here! He is willing to face the charges and we all know what our government is capable of! May God Bless him and those still fighting an unjust war.
- wefarrell, on 05/16/2008, -16/+36If he has the courage to stop fighting in this war then we should have the courage to stop funding it with our tax dollars.
- BESTenemy, on 05/16/2008, -1/+20 Well, if you look up Germany before WW2 (particularly Weimar era 1920-1924), you'll see that an economic collapse is just as capable of leading nations to wars. Hitler got elected having received 98% of votes. He offered a recovery plan... he might've not advertized its true nature, but people desperate for change went with it anyway.
If US economy collapses, disturbances will pave the way for the establishment of a more invasive totalitarian government. Nothing good will come out of it. One war will end only to be followed by bigger wars. - VinnieDaMac, on 05/16/2008, -3/+21Don't join the military if you don't want to fight. I'm not saying I support or oppose the war, but if you join the army, you should be expecting to fight.
- synthpop, on 05/16/2008, -3/+21He is part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take him away
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -2/+20George Washington fought with his...
- 9thisisme, on 05/16/2008, -3/+20when you join the military you choose to deny yourself any freedoms granted by this country. your surrender your future. it's your choice and you should be prepared for what it may cost you.
- PabloMac, on 05/16/2008, -4/+21You don't enlist into the military to pick and choose your assignments.
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -42/+59Sounds like a smart man no matter what the public schools did to him.
- RogueMountie, on 05/16/2008, -13/+29He probably figured that his military would be used to defend his country, not launch pre-emptive strikes and murder innocent civilians.
- root1657, on 05/16/2008, -0/+16Actually, that's not how it works. The post you replied to hit on the magic 6 number there.
There is no such thing as a 2 year enlistment anymore, and hasn't been for a while. Believe it or not, this was done because the vast majority of 2 year people are not eligible to re-enlist, because they have not had time to achieve a specific career milestone that is required to re-enlist.
4 years for a first term is pretty standard. At the end of that 4 years, the member either just waits for his last day and moves on, or if they choose to, they can request permission to re-enlist. That's right, request permission... the decision for them to stay has to be mutual. There are a number of reasons why a person would not be granted a re-enlistment.
Persons who enlist for certain specific programs that require extensive expensive training are usually required to do a 6 year first term, but since there is no such thing as a 6 year enlistment, this is done with a 4 year, then upon completion of their training, they sign a 2 year extension, usually in exchange for accelerated rank, based on proving their abilities by completing the training.
The most a person can enlist for is 4 years at a time. That's it. It's not like you decide to make it a career and stay forever, it's a request every time your contract is up. No one enlisted in the US military now 'didn't reenlist' since the beginning of the war, it's been too long. Even a guy who went to boot camp on 10sep01 would have been out a year and a half ago, even if he was on a 6 year deal. - demicritter, on 05/16/2008, -27/+43Illegal or not, the fact that Hussein is dead we should exit stage right. Let them sort out their own freaking problems.
- root1657, on 05/16/2008, -1/+16General George Washington fought with his army. President George Washington did not.
- Akaji, on 05/16/2008, -5/+19Exclamation point!
- sibhod, on 05/16/2008, -5/+19First, war hasn't even been declared, unless declaring war on a concept gives the president carte blanche to attack anyone he wants.
Second, a nation doesn't have the right to preemptively invade another nation for a hypothetical or perceived threat. Just try a preemptive self-defense in a criminal court and see how that goes over. - MasterGrief, on 05/16/2008, -6/+20I like turtles.
- scrtyfrk, on 05/16/2008, -1/+14I might have missed something... What is his basis for calling the Iraq War illegal? Just because atrocities occur just like in every other war, it not justified to call it an "illegal" action. It's ok to be against the war for moral or ethical reasons. However, that does not make it illegal. The President as commander in chief authorized the military action currently taking place... In accordance to the law, he asked and got approval from Congress to continue such an action after the 90 days allowed by law. The Congress can argue until they are blue in the face that they didn't approve this, however, it's in black and white in legislation like the Patriot act and such. The Congress can at any time cut funding as it's been done in the past. There have been a couple of occasions where they had the chance to do just that for Iraq and Afghanistan. But playing politics and doing the right thing are not necessarily congruent actions.
In the past, it has been unlawful to refuse such orders even when the forces are deployed as part of UN policing actions and not under direct control of the President as such. Legally, I don't see what leg this soldier has to stand on to be able to refuse an order to deploy in an entirely American run war. - RogueGenius, on 05/16/2008, -8/+21Not gonna cut it. We join the military because we want to serve our nation. Some of us wanted to go kick the crap of the enemy and wound up it Iraq instead!
This is a ***** war and, though I wouldn't desert, I can't say I hate the people that do. This isn't what they signed up for. - JKap, on 05/16/2008, -2/+15Ah, I see. So then you can easily reference the legislation whereby the Congress declared war with Iraq, as is explicitly prescribed in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. Please do so for we less-enlightened Americans.
In fact, a declaration of war was introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2002, but it did not pass.
But don't bother to answer if you think that an "authorization to use military force" that cites the UN as authority for our military actions is the same as declaring war. Because it is not. Unless of course you speak the language of newspeak have the mental capacity for doublethink--in which case it is. - stix213, on 05/16/2008, -1/+13BS. If there are no job opportunities in your town the military is definitely an acceptable option, but I don't understand why no one ever considers the fact that you could simply move your ass to another town with a job opening for you.
I commute 2 hours each way everyday because jobs I am good at are only really available in the city, but I live deep in the suburbs 2 counties away. I could cry about it, I could move to the city, or I could just understand the realities of job market supply and demand and do what I need to do.
If you don't know how to do anything that someone else will pay you for it is your own damn fault. That doesn't mean you have to go to college, just learn how to do something in demand. When the job market changes, you need to anticipate that too. - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -3/+15Except of course he enlisted after the war had already started.
He is just a coward, nothing more. - stix213, on 05/16/2008, -8/+19There will always be at least one young man who would gladly take advantage of the other's refusal to defend themselves. Dictatorships across the globe depend on this fact.
- john2kx, on 05/16/2008, -6/+16I don't think anyone is refusing to defend themselves..
The war in Iraq is NOT America defending itself. - inactive, on 05/16/2008, -22/+32Another person that sees the military as his salvation for ***** up in school. Then when he's called upon to fight...you know, that thing that the military does from time to time....he completely freaks. Serving in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, Philippines, then called to go to go to Iraq means he probably saw a brief glimpse of battle and he didn't want to see it again.
Let this be a lesson kids, don't join the military if you can't stomach the fact that you may have to see combat time. Try a vocational school, technical school, community college, or something like that. - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -2/+12Well tough ***** *****.
This isnt the cub scouts, you go where and when you are assigned. He knew that going on.
And sorry, but since congress authorized this its not "illegal" either. He should be tried for desertion. - Harboggles, on 05/16/2008, -31/+41I feel no sympathy for the troops that decide to desert. It's 100% voluntary...and don't give me that BS about "not seeing" the clause at the bottom of the contract SPECIFICALLY STATING that you may be reenlisted without your permission if it's needed by the army.
I have no respect for this war, but something I do have respect for is honoring what you signed on for. It sucks. Whine all you want. But do what you signed up for. Personal responsibility. - inactive, on 05/16/2008, -2/+11George Washington didn't do it as the President of the United States.
- inactive, on 05/16/2008, -1/+10I saw a Marine on the news last night who had his face blown off who said he wished he could go back to Iraq tomorrow.
This guy is a pussy. - sovietninja, on 05/16/2008, -0/+9Wrong. My friend just got out in April. 1 tour in Afghanistan and 2 in Iraq with the US Marines.
- lukemann, on 05/16/2008, -4/+13The Armed forces don't involve choice. An order is an order. If people start to question orders then the entire system breaks down. If you're not up for that then don't join the Army. Prior to 9-11 a lot of people joined the Army for the GI bill or just to have a steady job. It didn't even cross their minds that they would have to fight. This guy really doesn't have that excuse, he knew what he was getting into.
- infinitiesedge, on 05/17/2008, -0/+8Pacifism never caused wars or millions of deaths either.
- inactive, on 05/17/2008, -0/+8"They're not allowing people to leave right now."
Really! Don't tell my brother that. He's on his way home right now!
(June 6 to be exact) - AlexWills, on 05/16/2008, -1/+9Don't enlist if you don't want to fight.
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