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- Inthenameofmine, on 04/27/2008, -34/+38This explains a lot...
- zlatinb, on 04/27/2008, -12/+6Well it unexplained a lot to me...
- Akaji, on 04/27/2008, -11/+11"Filmed by Doc, no unarmed people were hurt during shooting."
I don't get it.- BananaGrabber, on 04/27/2008, -17/+41Burried as innacurate. They tell you right at the end in the credits. "Filmed by Doc" "No unarmed people were hurt during shooting"
I trust the word of the soldier filming it more than the person who reuploaded for propaganda purposes with zero proof. I'm against the war, but this is shameless interpretation of the video .- dumbasshit, on 04/27/2008, -12/+24Um, i think the video obviously tells a different story.
- BananaGrabber, on 04/27/2008, -11/+14The soldiers specifically mention sniper fire in the video. How's that a different story?
Here's a video someone posted below with an interview with the camera man.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=756_1175128937 - dumbasshit, on 04/27/2008, -7/+16BananaGrabber-
snipers don't fire from moving vehicles while simultaneously driving
Not to mention the soldier proudly proclaims he shot the civilian in the white vehicle trying to find refuge from the rain of bullets - lettruthout, on 04/27/2008, -3/+17@BananaGrabber
Yes the interview said that they received sniper fire but from a building NOT from the passing cars. It seems like those vehicles were in the wrong place at the wrong time. No glory here just more innocent victims.
- BananaGrabber, on 04/27/2008, -11/+14The soldiers specifically mention sniper fire in the video. How's that a different story?
- dumbasshit, on 04/27/2008, -5/+0
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -11/+6It's obviously a gunfight. The man in the white car? Why would he drive into the middle of that? It had to be apparent to him that there there was a fierce battle taking place just ahead. I don't support the war either. Buried as inaccurate.
- dumbasshit, on 04/27/2008, -4/+2Dude, they had to lower their aim to shoot the guy in the car. Do you not realize that?
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1He had to lower his aim? You mean they don't have automatic aim? I have to say I'm impressed.
- dumbasshit, on 04/27/2008, -12/+24Um, i think the video obviously tells a different story.
- TeraRealm256, on 04/27/2008, -7/+1MEGA KILL!!
- BananaGrabber, on 04/27/2008, -17/+41Burried as innacurate. They tell you right at the end in the credits. "Filmed by Doc" "No unarmed people were hurt during shooting"
- brad3378, on 04/27/2008, -16/+6This message is being brought to you by John McCain.
/sigh/ - mcm020, on 04/27/2008, -16/+17Yeah, it explains that digg user "rpi22" is shamelessly promoting his politics. There is absolutely no evidence in the video that warrants the title it was submitted under. Propaganda is ***** no matter what side it comes from. RPI22, you're a douche bag hypocrite.
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -9/+11If they are unarmed then why are there shots heard coming from the distance.
- rpi22, on 04/27/2008, -7/+8The marines are on two adjacent rooftops firing at the cars. Its in your own video interview link, the same one that said the sniper fire came from a BUILDING at the other end of the street, not from the cars. Nice selective use of evidence.
You know, this one;
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=756_1175128937- worldchanger, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3yeah... like you're one to lecture on other peoples' "selective use of evidence."
the interview itself said that they had been fired upon.- avengingturnip, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4And in no way does that give them the right to murder everyone within range.
- worldchanger, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3yeah... like you're one to lecture on other peoples' "selective use of evidence."
- SillyDigger, on 04/27/2008, -8/+6People like you always try to create an excuse when police officers or soldiers are caught committing atrocious acts, it makes me wonder.
- laserblazer, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Paid shill or guilty conscience. Only an idiot denies that war-crimes are the provable result of the Bush administration's leadership.
- rpi22, on 04/27/2008, -7/+8The marines are on two adjacent rooftops firing at the cars. Its in your own video interview link, the same one that said the sniper fire came from a BUILDING at the other end of the street, not from the cars. Nice selective use of evidence.
- mikesbaker, on 04/27/2008, -11/+15can i bury this three or four times what *****. this is tasteless even by digg standards
- laserblazer, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Then posit an argument, because just telling people to cover up war-crimes ain't gonna work.
- fpaudon, on 04/27/2008, -11/+7it does, actually:
Maverick American soldiers murder Iraqi civilians - oh no how tasteless lets bury this and forget it; its too sickening. lets go to the streets and protest the Iraq war... not
Maverick Chinese policemen murder Tibetians - OMG WTF IS GOING ON DIGG DIGG DIGG AND FREE A REGION THAT BELONGS TO CHINA BY ALL MODERN STANDARDS EVEN THOUGH MOST OF US CANT FIND TIBET ON A MAP AND BOYCOTT A SPORTING EVENT BY EXTINGUISHING THE OLYMPIC FLAME - GregFD3S, on 04/27/2008, -4/+6I buried this as inaccurate. The video does not have any information, and the uploader was not the original person who took the video.
Just be thankful you the one watching this video, and not the one making it. - warlord, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Its amazing how people believe the first thing they read, it could have said American Soliders shoot at Insurgents and no one would have given it a second thought.
- laserblazer, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1The Insurgents are Iraqi patriots fighting off a corporate army and its war-slaves. Just because some are choking on Bush's ***** doesn't mean everyone is.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -30/+74Time to bring the troops home.
- SpeakerCity, on 04/27/2008, -27/+21...and try them for war crimes.
- SillyDigger, on 04/27/2008, -11/+6No! Our boys must never be held accountable no matter how many innocent people are killed ...'cause they is just followin' orders.
- sovietninja, on 04/27/2008, -3/+6Seriously use a sarcasm tag. As decided at Nuremberg, war criminals are still held accountable for "they is just followin' orders."
- CrazedLeper, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5Hitler didn't kill 6 million Jews by himself. A nation of idiots just followed orders.
- SillyDigger, on 04/27/2008, -11/+6No! Our boys must never be held accountable no matter how many innocent people are killed ...'cause they is just followin' orders.
- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4I think they should remain there to sustain casualties. It's the fitting punishment for their evil.
- hypertension, on 04/27/2008, -7/+4US troops are evil? Go join Al Qaeda.
- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3Scroll up and open the link, genius. Or open any news source since 2001.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 04/27/2008, -2/+2> "I think they should remain there to sustain casualties. It's the fitting punishment for their evil."
Let me guess... "God hates fags", too, right?- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2Have you not seen the war crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan?
- hypertension, on 04/27/2008, -7/+4US troops are evil? Go join Al Qaeda.
- CrazedLeper, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2They'd just be sent somewhere else.
- lennybird, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3It was never time to ***** send them.
- laserblazer, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2A truth lost on those who either directly or ignorantly support the war-pigs.
- HonestAbe, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3I don't know. Looks like some of them should be left there to fend for themselves.
- SpeakerCity, on 04/27/2008, -27/+21...and try them for war crimes.
- allowners, on 04/27/2008, -48/+52A shooting gallery blood lust unleashed. It appears to be a tremendous thrill to play God and have the power over life and death. Absolutely no sign of empathy or humanity here.
- mcm020, on 04/27/2008, -22/+7Allowner, has your adrenaline ever been pumping? Probably that one time you sniffed your mom's panties, but maybe another time, perhaps during physical competition?
I would like to think that if I was fighting in Iraq, killing people, I would act somber. The truth is, when your adrenaline is pumping you act like that. Your buddies get blown up every now and then and your ***** enraged about it. That ***** builds up inside you. What do you expect them to act like?- fixty, on 04/27/2008, -7/+15As I watched that video I was reminded of a Sun Tzu quote, which was to the effect of "Mourn your fallen enemies".
Personally I think if I killed in glee, as these boys have, the guilt would later consume me, my soul would begin to rot.
And I think that's what Sun Tzu was getting at.- mburner21, on 04/27/2008, -5/+5I don't think Sun Tzu was ever in a firefight
- je12u, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1"later" being the key word in your own explanation. But in that EXACT moment, as an 18yo kid who has been sent out to kill possibly die at any given time...right or wrong....I could see killing in glee as you put it
- mcm020, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1I have to disagree with you. This is not killing "in glee," as you put it. Like i said in my original post, these guys are feeling intense emotions and have their adrenaline going. It's rather natural for them to express these things verbally.
I would consider it rather sick if they boasted about these things later.
- allowners, on 04/27/2008, -6/+1It was that time I was boning your mother.
- allowners, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3mcm020, I'd like to think you're not an idiot, but that doesn't change reality.
- Emnsta, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Yeah, I got an adrenaline rush while sniffing your mom's panties
- fixty, on 04/27/2008, -7/+15As I watched that video I was reminded of a Sun Tzu quote, which was to the effect of "Mourn your fallen enemies".
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -7/+9They sound like they are having fun. They also see things every day that you couldn't bear. It may seem as if they are treating their jobs as if it were all a video game, but they wouldn't be able to do their jobs if they were consumed by guilt or scared out of their minds. They would die instead. Don't blame them, blame the war. It may haunt them later but they survived this day.
- sovietninja, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3My friend just came back after a tour in Afghanistan and 2 tours in Iraq. He said the worst ***** was when they would be at a checkpoint and civilians wouldn't stop, so they had to shoot the vehicles, sometimes those vehicles were loaded with explosives to drive into a marketplace etc. ***** these insurgents.
Bring our brothers home.
- sovietninja, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3My friend just came back after a tour in Afghanistan and 2 tours in Iraq. He said the worst ***** was when they would be at a checkpoint and civilians wouldn't stop, so they had to shoot the vehicles, sometimes those vehicles were loaded with explosives to drive into a marketplace etc. ***** these insurgents.
- foster53, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1The video shows US soldiers firing against ARMED people. Watch till the end you twirp. Of course, it's always much more fun to think you are Morpheus from the Matrix, bringing down an oppressive system right? Idiot.
- allowners, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3What sane person in Iraq would not be armed fool? The occupiers are armed, no problems with that though eh? Think lamer.
- allowners, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3@Foster53 .. And you've got me all wrong, I'm part of the system and I'm trying to save it from insane douches such as yourself. The system is imploding under the weight of ignorance and blind authoritarian leaders and followers, so take responsibility for your thoughts and get your tongue off that boot.
- mcm020, on 04/27/2008, -22/+7Allowner, has your adrenaline ever been pumping? Probably that one time you sniffed your mom's panties, but maybe another time, perhaps during physical competition?
- diggrific, on 04/27/2008, -33/+86I suggest you click on the "more info" link in the submitter's section to see all that he wrote.
Also, where is the reference to who these people are that they were shooting at? I know nothing concerning this firefight and therefore, I unlike the two commenters above me, can not nor will not jump to any conclusions. Proof.....remember? Until that time, this is inaccurate.- rpi22, on 04/27/2008, -35/+36There were cars driving by, doing absolutely nothing, and these soldiers opened up and rained down hot lead on these people. Even as they ran away, they got shot at. I don't really know what other proof you need.
- diggrific, on 04/27/2008, -24/+47Are you getting all of you info from this video? It shows nothing of the events leading up to this firefight, who was targeted and why. If you have more sources to validate the claim of innocents being targeted, please post them.
- Pureeviljester, on 04/27/2008, -9/+18the guy said so himself.
paraphrasing:
that white car came by and i shot him up. he crashed into the building... dude
- Pureeviljester, on 04/27/2008, -9/+18the guy said so himself.
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -29/+29this is not a firefight - there's only one side shooting - the american soldiers. the people killed weren't shooting. they didin't have any guns. watch the video again and spare us the silly comments.
- cassholio, on 04/27/2008, -11/+25You missed the part where they talked about the sniper round hitting next to the guy with the camera. Sooooo...it follows that someone was shooting AT them.
- BearinG, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1yeah.. sniper round.. keyword being "sniper"..
- DFENS, on 04/27/2008, -18/+25By your logic, if someone shoots in my direction, I am morally just in shooting everyone I see.
There is no reasonable scenario to account for firing at cars driving by. Killing their drivers as they ran? No scenario. So while you can demand proof of what happened right before, anyone reasonable isn't that much of a dick.- fixty, on 04/27/2008, -7/+8Exactly. That so many people don't seem to grasp this simple point reminds me just how vile we can be in defence of our mistakes.
- anoneng, on 04/27/2008, -6/+5you want scenarious to justify shooting a driver?
car bombs
escaping terrorists
terrorist reinforcements
you can see an object that looks like a gun laying next to one of the bodies when the camera zooms in. so much for unarmed.
- cassholio, on 04/27/2008, -11/+25You missed the part where they talked about the sniper round hitting next to the guy with the camera. Sooooo...it follows that someone was shooting AT them.
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -5/+11Of course it's firefight...how is this not obvious? It is not one-sided.
- casuallyevil, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1The proof I need is that which backs up the statement you just made - and it doesn't sound to me like you have any idea what you're talking about.
- foster53, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1The cars were get away cars you idiot.
- diggrific, on 04/27/2008, -24/+47Are you getting all of you info from this video? It shows nothing of the events leading up to this firefight, who was targeted and why. If you have more sources to validate the claim of innocents being targeted, please post them.
- shadowmoose, on 04/27/2008, -12/+15Yeah I'm not sure we can assume these people were just civilians. Why would they drive into a firefight anyways?
- TonyLocNE, on 04/27/2008, -9/+10Let me equate your logic with an example from the movie Heat... Bank robbery shootout scene in the streets with men, women, children running for cover because bullets are flying everywhere.. Using your argument, it would perfectly fine for Pacino and the rest of the cops to begin shooting civilians because they were in the street while there was gunfire?
Try again you ***** retard- r3s0p, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Feel better?
- TonyLocNE, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1yeah, I do.. I just hate ignorance so much on this site.. Sometimes I wish I could just quit coming here, but I'm ***** addicted to it, so I try to change it for the better. Make people think every once in awhile.
- r3s0p, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Feel better?
- TonyLocNE, on 04/27/2008, -9/+10Let me equate your logic with an example from the movie Heat... Bank robbery shootout scene in the streets with men, women, children running for cover because bullets are flying everywhere.. Using your argument, it would perfectly fine for Pacino and the rest of the cops to begin shooting civilians because they were in the street while there was gunfire?
- thrillki1l, on 04/27/2008, -2/+9I agree with shadowmoose. for all we know those could have been re-enforcements that paniced and ran when they were getting shot at in the car. i'm assuming that a group of enemies would have extra weapons so they could have been running for those. I hate the war but i don't want my friends in the army to have to put their lives at risk while trying to figure out what exactly someones going to do. and Who would drive into a firefight. I've shot guns and they are pretty loud and a dozen or more guns being shot can be pretty well heard. from a ways away.
- FeartheKnighted, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4Here is a more accurate video of what is going on over there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GnyO9qXuqg&feature ...- inigomntoya, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2That one picture of the boy in the Polo shirt - so sad. No one should ever wear Polo. Even if someone gives you a shirt for free.
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -1/+8INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2IRRELEVANT DESPITE EXCELLENT USE OF THE CAPSLOCK KEY
None of us were there, this video has no context with which to draw proper conclusions from, nothing can be proved about the people that were killed in this video because we don't have any information other than the fact that they were killed. - shaelen, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Please don't do that with the caps.. it makes my eyes ring.
- avengingturnip, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1What you mean there is actually going to be a war crimes trial for these murderers? Somehow I doubt that so your legal sensibilities really don't mean anything here do they?
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2IRRELEVANT DESPITE EXCELLENT USE OF THE CAPSLOCK KEY
- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -9/+2This is the pseudo-objective form of denial, i.e. you see something in which it's very clear what happened, but you still won't "jump to conclusions". Me too, I won't jump to conclusions on what Hitler did unless he explains it to me personally. Whoops, he's dead, guess we'll never know if those anti-Jewish crimes he committed were real or not. Thanks for this wonderful scientific approach, diggrific.
- ChairShot83, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Wow, a Hitler reference. Did we really have to have such a vein comparison to reinforce your point? Let's just forget the fact that the type of enemy over there doesn't wear a uniform and uses unconventional types of weapons to kill our soldiers. I guess the countless videos of roadside bombs was merely an oversight on the Iraqis part, not intentional in any way, shape or form..
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3So you're going to side with a title on digg rather than you own personal judgement? You saw exactly what the submitter saw.. yet for some reason you're saying we should side with sensationalism? Good idea.
- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1So you're not gonna believe the video because...you don't "feel" like it or you don't want to? Does it go against your belief that US troops are angels who were sent there to help the Iraqis? You're right, guess all the war crimes committed there on a regular basis since 2003 were all lies. All "sensationalism", because we all know, Americans are the only conscientious people on Earth, and their troops do no harm.
- nigh7dagger, on 04/27/2008, -1/+0For what it's worth, I didn't agree with the title of this story because the guy from the car had a ***** gun. Didn't you see it at the end? No, I guess you had your head up your ass.
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Are you ***** stupid? I saw a video where a bunch of guys were shooting at cars. I don't know why, who was in the car, what provoked the attack, where in the world they were. I don't believe the soldiers were good or bad people. I don't have enough information to make a conclusion. How did you reach the conclusion that this is a war crime, and be specific using evidence from the video, not from digg.
- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1@legend: I saw a comment of yours here in which you said about these war criminal scumbags "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY". What an open-minded person you are. Always assuming the best, always giving US soldiers (the most conscientious soldiers that ever existed) the benefit of the doubt, always seeking truth and objectivity. You're an example in true scientific method.
The wonderful thing is that this can be applied to everything and anything. So if we see a video of Chinese soldiers shooting Buddhist monks, it doesn't mean anything because we don't know "the context". And if we see a video or photos of Nazis torturing or killing gypsies, Jews, Poles, etc. then it means the Nazis are INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY, because we don't know the context.
But you won't take that approach. You're an American warmonger, so every video of Americans shooting civilians means nothing unless, I don't know, some messenger descends from the sky and shows you a holographic video of everything that happened from the beginning.
Your selective belief is not just outlandishly hypocritical, iit's childish and immature too. You *know* you will not apply this rationale to everything. You support the criminal invasion, so you will find the flimsiest and lamest excuses to defend the invaders, all under the guise of some pseudo-objective nonsense. - legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1@desertdude
I know right. Why even give anyone the chance to be innocent when we can just assume whatever we want?!
-Buddhist Monks haven't been known to use gorilla warfare hiding behind women, children, and the guise of civilian life.
-Did you just call my beliefs open-minded and selective in the same response? Cool.
-What about wanting more information is childish and immature?
-I do not support this invasion and want the boys to come home. I'm not looking to justify our presence there. However when it comes to our troops I will always give them due process because it is the constitutional and right thing to do.
In summary your comment scares me a little bit. You're really ready to incarcerate these troops based on this youtube video? I do always look for the most reasonable amount of information possible before making a decision.. and it has served me well. What about that is hypocritical, childish and immature? I'll be the first to admit that a lot of crazy ***** goes on in war and it is entirely possibly these civilians were being used for target practice but until I see something like lead-up or aftermath footage I'll reserve my decision. - DesertDude, on 04/28/2008, -3/+1@legend: "Buddhist Monks haven't been known to use gorilla warfare hiding behind women, children, and the guise of civilian life."
So you admit you buried the story while under the influence of Pentagon propaganda. Then why try to assume a stance of objectivity if you're already biased and see the occupation force as the moral side and the others as the "evil cowards hiding behind women" (aka White House propaganda)?
It's not proper for you to be part of an objective discussion. You already made up your mind that you see the invasion force as moral and ALWAYS innocent until proven guilty. Now, I'm not sure how anyone can prove they are guilty to you, because even video proof is something you'll readily bury as inaccurate without a second look. Are you looking for something God sends directly to you telling you they're guilty or something? Don't kid yourself. Anything, no matter how rock-solid it is (like this video and the dozens others) will never, ever be good enough for you, and you know that. You don't want to be disillusioned of your occupation force, so no matter how clearly indicting something is, you'll either ignore it, justify it or - when all else fails - claim it's "not sufficient evidence since we don't know the context". Like I said, you've already made up your mind; the rest is just trying to convince people you didn't. At least that's what I think.
"n summary your comment scares me a little bit. You're really ready to incarcerate these troops based on this youtube video? "
Because of endless videos and first-hand reports. I can read Arabic and read horrific accounts of torture and mass murder from Iraqis who were there. - legendxx, on 04/28/2008, -1/+1So you're saying that insurgents in iraq are equal to those of the monks of tibet? If that's what you're saying please make that explicitly clear.
"Now, I'm not sure how anyone can prove they are guilty to you, because even video proof is something you'll readily bury as inaccurate without a second look."
- I believe I explained 3 times how this situation can be proven to me. Events leading up to and after the incident. I don't think that is too much to ask and anyone basing their decision entirely on a youtube video is pretty irresponsible.
Don't kid yourself. Anything, no matter how rock-solid it is (like this video and the dozens others) will never, ever be good enough for you, and you know that. You don't want to be disillusioned of your occupation force, so no matter how clearly indicting something is, you'll either ignore it, justify it or - when all else fails - claim it's "not sufficient evidence since we don't know the context".
- Are you saying that based on the 10 or so youtube/internet videos you've seen that you are ready to call the entire occupying force a bunch of child-raping, puppy-throwing, violence-addicted maniacs? Believe it or not the news and others like to show you the bad news more than the good. If you can't see that for yourself then I suggest you go there and make up your own mind.
"Because of endless videos and first-hand reports. I can read Arabic and read horrific accounts of torture and mass murder from Iraqis who were there."
-There is no question that horrific things go on during wartime especially when occupying a hostile country. I'll be the first to admit that some ***** up ***** happens and absolutely some amount of which is directly related to US troops but I am not ready to condemn the entire force for a couple of anecdotal stories. I have not seen any statistical reports which oppose my point except the one about female rape in the army. If you know of any please let me know and I'll happily review them.
-In any war of this nature there are going to be reports of the type you read regarding heinous crimes performed by soldiers and I'm not prepared to discount any one of them. For all I know I am ready to give the victim the benefit of the doubt and investigate the story. But, as I've said before, I'm not ready to condemn these guys based on a youtube video which was a worse quality than Paris Hilton's sex tape for something insinuated in a digg headline. - jerger23, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3@desertdude: "I can read Arabic and read horrific accounts of torture and mass murder from Iraqis who were there."
-Proof? Which reports are those? You readily accuse others of believing propaganda machines, yet you are speaking of some unknown reports by "Iraqis" who have these accounts. I can read Arabic, too, so don't use the language cop-out to hide behind; provide the accounts.
-Additionally, if the insurgents aren't hiding behind women and children, why do they not adopt uniforms and engage the military in open combat rather than shooting at soldiers or detonating bombs in crowded areas.
"You already made up your mind that you see the invasion force as moral and ALWAYS innocent until proven guilty."
-In the United States of America, the justice system is founded on the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" and photographic evidence is not generally admissible proof of guilt, only supporting evidence. You're free to disagree with that system, apparently (by your profile) coming from a nation without such burdens of proof for conviction of crimes. I believe a woman rape victim was recently spared from your "justice" system because of intervention international human rights organizations and multiple foreign governments.
In closing, I won't deny that some soldiers lack the self-control to stop acts such as this, just as any segment of any society has a number of criminals; but I agree with those who are not ready to convict based on video footage without context. - legendxx, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2@jerger23
Thank you for saying exactly what I was trying to explain. Very well worded.
- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1So you're not gonna believe the video because...you don't "feel" like it or you don't want to? Does it go against your belief that US troops are angels who were sent there to help the Iraqis? You're right, guess all the war crimes committed there on a regular basis since 2003 were all lies. All "sensationalism", because we all know, Americans are the only conscientious people on Earth, and their troops do no harm.
- inhaler, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4The title might be specious. Not denying there's collateral damage in firefights, but this MIGHT not be one of those times. The additional information on the youtube video seems too charged, as well as comments about an interview with the cameraman seem available somewhere.
I'd rather let time provide for me more evidence about what happened in the video than to jump to any immediate conclusions.
- rpi22, on 04/27/2008, -35/+36There were cars driving by, doing absolutely nothing, and these soldiers opened up and rained down hot lead on these people. Even as they ran away, they got shot at. I don't really know what other proof you need.
- CrudeDarkness, on 04/27/2008, -18/+57"I shot the dude in the white car!!"
.......!- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -15/+4Godd hearing!
- metalmilitia430, on 04/27/2008, -2/+17Bad spelling!
- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -2/+6400 diggs and it's already buried as inaccurate, even though it can't get any clearer what happened there. I've seen outright lies and exaggerations about Islam dugg to over 1,000 on the front page.
Americans = the children of the world. Their troops do no wrong, even if you see them firing on civilians. I swear those Americans are not only dumb as *****, but with the conscience of Himmler. If they can't argue their troops out of a war crime, they'll conceal it (or bury it as inaccurate).- Zecchetti, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3I'd ditto what you said right there
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -15/+4Godd hearing!
- rezist, on 04/27/2008, -21/+104I worked with a kid who went over... he was actually supposed to go again. He was just your average kid who doesn't know too much about what goes on on other countries or what goes on in other cities. He was immature, funny, racist, and worked out everyday. I had nothing in common with him, except video games. I couldn't believe the ***** he told me about (stealing, hurting animals, rape) He once had a confirmed kill that reminded me of this vid, they were blasting away at a car that didn't stop when ordered. We're basically sending kids over there...
- Silvbird, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4Hey! Remember this? Paul Hardcastle – Nineteen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byCCmBwRjGw - brad3378, on 04/27/2008, -9/+1I just knew those video games would eventually lead to murder!
- soracross, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Settle down, Jack.
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5That is different from any other war ever how?
- sovietamerica, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3this one was based on lies created by their own government for its own personal gain?
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1The pre-text to why they are there has nothing to do with how the soldiers act in a warzone. Stop spewing sensationalist garbage that has nothing to do with the issue.
- shaelen, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Well, I think his point is that most other wars aren't the same as this one. Most people believe WW2 soldiers were heroes for defending freedom, in this war the soldiers are simply pawns for America's now corrupt leaders. It's more frustrating to know that the soldiers are over there dying and killing for no good reason.
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1So you're saying that wars driven by corrupt leaders won't have 18-25 year soldiers? Cause that's what we're talking about here.
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1The pre-text to why they are there has nothing to do with how the soldiers act in a warzone. Stop spewing sensationalist garbage that has nothing to do with the issue.
- avengingturnip, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Because it is an occupation, not a war. The only war it could be compared to is the war against the people of the Philippines. BTW, if you cannot tell the difference between shooting up civilians and fighting a war on a battlefield against regular military units you probably should not be going out of the house. You are a danger to everyone.
- sovietamerica, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3this one was based on lies created by their own government for its own personal gain?
- Hawk117, on 04/27/2008, -4/+5Rezist, sorry, but that is standard procedure as far as I know. My brother went to Iraq and did those convoys with Hummers, including some trips into Baghdad. From my understanding, the drivers of other cars were signaled to stop, then a bullet would be placed in front of his or her car, then into the hood of the car, and, if the driver still did not stop, it would be to kill. This is for the soldier's safety, along with everyone else in the convoy. Who knows what is in that car.
- shaelen, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2That car wasn't driving toward the soldiers.
- rezist, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2I appreciate the reply... I am aware that the action I mentioned is standard procedure. I unlike a lot of diggers can have a civil discussion without digging down, not replying or flaming. Listen, if I was a soldier, I'd shoot away. I'm not, and the reason our citizens are in Iraq is, as we all know, politically and monetarily motivated. In my comment I did not judge the actions of my co-worker (U.S. Marine) I do however question sending KIDS to kill individuals in an area of the world that has been flourishing for many hundreds of years prior to the U.S. i'm not getting into any more specifics... there are MANY documentaries/news reports about this war...
- d3vmax, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3It is a known fact when an army is strained the quality of its recruit drops drastically including their training time. When Germany was losing the war, kids as old as 14 year olds were recruited. What you have in Iraq is kids even younger that you or myself(21) who without proper training (not just warfare but other aspects) are put in a hell hole what do you expect?
It might even be the first time they have been outside of the USA. You need people who are better trained, mature and with a sense of respect for other cultures and people who despite being put in a horrible situation like this doesn't change them easily and they stick to the good values and lose their cool even if an 'iraqi' killed his friend the previous day. War can make anyone do things unimaginable and you would do things great or utterly horrible as it brings out the best and the worst in human beings.- nigh7dagger, on 04/27/2008, -0/+0The US must have been pretty strained in World War 2 because 16 and 17 year olds that lied about their age were fighting. And they should keep their cool in a FIREfight? Yeah, let me shoot your buddies and get close to hitting you and see if you aren't a little bit *****.
- Silvbird, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4Hey! Remember this? Paul Hardcastle – Nineteen
- dld0531, on 04/27/2008, -18/+44Do we know where and when this was taken? It is a horrific video and the lack of respect for human life is heart wrenching, but I feel I need more background before passing judgment. Did these individuals try to attack these soldiers earlier? Were they really unarmed or did they have something in the car? The video was a little confusing to me. I know the soldiers are running on pure adrenalin, no sleep, much stress, and extended tours of duty...
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -18/+17I believe you should at least watch the video 3 times and then review waht you wrote - I can't detect any signs of stress on the soldiers, rather a lot of enjoyment; the people who stop their cars and run for their lifes don't carry anything in their hands - they seem to run to find shelter an they get killed. The soldiers are extremelly happy because they managed to kill those people. JUSTA WATCH IT AGAIN AND DON'T WRITE SILLY EXCUSES.
- BananaGrabber, on 04/27/2008, -5/+17For some reason they're burying Kildorn below who posted an interview with the camera man. They were NOT unarmed Iraqi civilians.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=756_1175128937 - RiMac, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2How could you dismiss that as silly excuses? Soldiers are put under duress like you and I could never imagine. I'm not saying they never do ***** up *****. I'm sure it happens from time to time. And I'm not trying to be an apologist, either. However, I would be slow to blaming a soldier for something bad they have done. I'd be quick to blame the people that put them under the stress, i.e. the government. Human beings are not capable of enduring that kind of madness.
- BananaGrabber, on 04/27/2008, -5/+17For some reason they're burying Kildorn below who posted an interview with the camera man. They were NOT unarmed Iraqi civilians.
- TonyLocNE, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3This video is at least 6+ months old.. I remember seeing it quite awhile ago. Possibly even last summer... And to answer the question as to whether or not the CIVILIANS in the car had weapons or not.. It would have been almost physically impossible for the soldiers to see inside the car while it was driving. Plus you can clearly see the guy in the white car get out and run with absolutely nothing in his hands. All this was was innocent people being slaughtered for fun.
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2A) Why would "civilians" speed their way IN TO a fire fight
B) If you were in a car that was getting the ***** shot out of it, would you take the time to get your ***** out of it before you ran for cover?
C) You have no idea what was going on prior to the camera turning on, so you have no idea what events culminated in this video
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2A) Why would "civilians" speed their way IN TO a fire fight
- Emnsta, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3Wait a minute... War? What is this "war"? People get killed in this "war"?
That is pretty crazy, you mean, people die? Soldiers aren't supposed to kill people. Wait, they are? Oh noooo.. - Bamont, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5Not to jump on a proverbial band wagon here - but Digg is the PERFECT place to post this video and get it recognition, even if it isn't completely accurate.
Propaganda works both ways. If people believe something strongly enough, they'll see what they want, hear what they want, and perceive what they want. Nothing you can say or do will change that.
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -18/+17I believe you should at least watch the video 3 times and then review waht you wrote - I can't detect any signs of stress on the soldiers, rather a lot of enjoyment; the people who stop their cars and run for their lifes don't carry anything in their hands - they seem to run to find shelter an they get killed. The soldiers are extremelly happy because they managed to kill those people. JUSTA WATCH IT AGAIN AND DON'T WRITE SILLY EXCUSES.
- jaymzdean, on 04/27/2008, -25/+39If these soldiers are just shooting innocent civilians for fun, they deserve a 50 mm in the temple.
- MattNF, on 04/27/2008, -11/+5How about we waterboard them, THEN shoot them with a 50mm?
- twinklyJesus, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1What would you shoot this "50mm" with? Where would you get a "50mm"? Oh wise knower of all things weapon-y.
- mcm020, on 04/27/2008, -15/+15Ah yes, your mind is made up already. You were presented with a suggestion by the digg submitter and a 2min window into a firefight. The ignorance and simple lack of ability to reason is astonishing with some members on digg.
- mrsammercer, on 04/27/2008, -0/+9Note the "If" that started his comment.
- twinklyJesus, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Not to mention the fact there is no 50mm ammunition.
- mrsammercer, on 04/27/2008, -0/+9Note the "If" that started his comment.
- FeartheKnighted, on 04/27/2008, -2/+7wtf is a 50 mm? You mean .50 caliber?
- Kicker01, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thum ...
German PAK 38 50mm anti-tank gun
Worthington Tank Museum at CFB Borden (Ontario, Canada).- twinklyJesus, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2That's a mortar round. Technically artillery. Not likely to be used to shoot someone "in the temple."
- Kicker01, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Correct, but my post was merely factual regardless of whether someone thinks it would be excessive or not.
- twinklyJesus, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2That's a mortar round. Technically artillery. Not likely to be used to shoot someone "in the temple."
- Kicker01, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thum ...
- sovietninja, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3I doubt they were doing this for fun. Looks like a typical checkpoint, as there being no other cars. The cars probably drove through a checkpoint without stopping further down that road to the right. You probably don't see any other cars becuase the checkpoint probably told these soldiers to fire on the vehicles that ran through and have stopped further traffic from coming down the road.
- Super6, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3A 50mm? What's that, a small mortar round or something?
- YellowSnowDemon, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Or a chainsaw in the asshole.
- MattNF, on 04/27/2008, -11/+5How about we waterboard them, THEN shoot them with a 50mm?
- nizzy1115, on 04/27/2008, -13/+44This is old. I saw it at least last year maybe longer ago than that. I'm just saying so you diggers don't think this just happened. The original video had the rest of the context surrounding it. They were shot at by those guys. They didn't know who.
- rpi22, on 04/27/2008, -11/+22For some reason, i doubt it was the cars driving by on the road half way through the firefight, or the people running away that got shot in the back.
- Picaroon, on 04/27/2008, -5/+9Well, you're wrong. See any of a number of comments below for why. But hey, you don't need facts or context when you can just "doubt" and assume all you want, right?
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -10/+12It doesn't matter how old it is. It happened. this is a graphic document.
- richporter, on 04/27/2008, -4/+4Oh please. This matters as much to you as the people who die every day at the hands of some sick ***** with a pistol. Get over yourself.
- commernie, on 04/27/2008, -14/+7Show us a link or STFU.
- rpi22, on 04/27/2008, -11/+22For some reason, i doubt it was the cars driving by on the road half way through the firefight, or the people running away that got shot in the back.
- MrColdheart, on 04/27/2008, -13/+46I'm digging this so more info will emerge
- ChairShot83, on 04/27/2008, -2/+2I'm no Digg scholar but should the essence of a Digg mean that you were informed about a certain topic well enough to begin with? This looks like a half baked effort on the submitters part. Stick this back in the oven, it's not front page material.
- humanerror, on 04/27/2008, -20/+61Winning their hearts and minds since 2001
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -11/+2what does that suppose to mean? do you want to win people's heart's and minds by killint them?
- Akaji, on 04/27/2008, -2/+11It's called sarcasm...
- romistrub, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3*****, you can't be serial...
- strangewill, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Super serial!
- romistrub, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5*Aiming for
/shameless - fixty, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4If by "winning" you mean "splattering", then yes. Yes we have.
- thear, on 04/27/2008, -1/+32001 - Afghanistan
2003 - Iraq- TekTrixter, on 04/27/2008, -2/+22009 - Iran
- nigh7dagger, on 04/27/2008, -0/+0That means we secretly invaded some places in 05 and 07.
- TekTrixter, on 04/27/2008, -2/+22009 - Iran
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -11/+2what does that suppose to mean? do you want to win people's heart's and minds by killint them?
- Silvbird, on 04/27/2008, -29/+33This is new:
U.S. kills 800 in 3 weeks in Sadr city
Laith Jawad, Azzaman
U.S. occupation forces have killed more than 800 people, most of them innocent civilians, in their three-week long military campaign to subdue the Mahdi Army in Sadr City, the leader of Sadr movement in Baghdad said. Sheikh Salaman al-fariji said the troops have also injured more than 1,800 people and caused large-scale destruction of private property and the city’s rickety infrastructure....
http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=new ...
& so is this:
Western Leaders Are War Criminals’
Saturday, April 26th, 2008 By Mick Meaney - RINF |
The former Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir Mohamad, has echoed calls for Western leaders to be charged with war crimes over the illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/contributions/western-lea ...- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -11/+3Dear Silvbird, put this, i.e. submitt this properlly on digg, so that everybody can read it. Ladu
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 04/27/2008, -8/+7Awww, you're JAM heroes are getting they assed whipped while their coward leader hides in Iran and begs for mercy.
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Hm, that first one just MIGHT be a biased source....
- avengingturnip, on 04/27/2008, -18/+47They hate us for our freedoms. Please stay on message guys.
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -10/+6Your freedom is getting so limited that you don't know how to get out of the burning hell you got into. That's is your freedom - pouring billions of dollars into it, wasting precious young lives (of both sides) - and now what? How to get out of it? Got an answer?
- avengingturnip, on 04/27/2008, -4/+7We just marched in. We can just march out. Did you think I was serious? Really?
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -6/+1How else should one interpret your comment?
And as for your statement "we marched in" - I'd say - you bombed your way in! "We can just march out" - to that I'll tell you - that remains to be seen! You can, but at what cost? Your marching out is gonna cost you as much lives as it has cost you so far, believe me.- avengingturnip, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4How else, indeed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3If you don't mind my bothering you again, I' like to suggest you to have a glance at the article http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2008/04/3317383. Thank you.
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -6/+1How else should one interpret your comment?
- avengingturnip, on 04/27/2008, -4/+7We just marched in. We can just march out. Did you think I was serious? Really?
- ladu, on 04/27/2008, -10/+6Your freedom is getting so limited that you don't know how to get out of the burning hell you got into. That's is your freedom - pouring billions of dollars into it, wasting precious young lives (of both sides) - and now what? How to get out of it? Got an answer?
- dukeeeey, on 04/27/2008, -33/+18This is why the rest of the world hates Amerika. I guess not content with a million deaths in Iraq, where next ? Iran ?
- AutomaticT1, on 04/27/2008, -8/+7***** you, stuff your generalized statement up your ass.
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3Agreed.
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4I second that
- AutomaticT1, on 04/27/2008, -8/+7***** you, stuff your generalized statement up your ass.
- TheAmbushAhead, on 04/27/2008, -20/+6Mission accomplished!
- BananaGrabber, on 04/27/2008, -26/+95Burried as innacurate. They tell you right at the end in the credits. "Filmed by Doc" "No unarmed people were hurt during shooting"
I trust the word of the soldier filming it more than the person who reuploaded the video for propaganda purposes with zero proof. I'm against the war, but this is a shameless interpretation of the video .- mcm020, on 04/27/2008, -9/+32A reasonable person would assume you would not upload damning video evidence of you killing innocent people. Digg users, don't be the bag of ass I know you're not. Examine the facts, use common sense, and don't let your politics cloud your mind.
- avengingturnip, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Unless of course you a psychopath with no sense of right and wrong.
- naiku, on 04/27/2008, -2/+8buried. for the same reasons as BananaGrabber.
- farTart, on 04/27/2008, -9/+4So that car that drove by and crashed was what? A ***** drive by sniper? Puhlease.
- sovietninja, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2A car that ran pass the checkpoint further down the street and some how managed to escape the fire from the .50 cal mounted on top of the Humvees at the checkpoint.
- soulmist, on 04/27/2008, -8/+9Hey ! It's okay everybody!! It says no one innocent was injured in the credits! Credits never lie!
- strangewill, on 04/27/2008, -6/+7"I trust a human more than I trust video."
Yep, that's what the world has come to. Regardless of what you believe, that is a stupid comment to make. (Not saying that your idea that no unarmed people were harmed is wrong, just the method to believe this conclusion is) - tripledjr, on 04/27/2008, -1/+0You make a valid point and as has been stated I haven't seen the whole video but from what I saw it was a ***** car driving down the road, last I checked a moving car isn't grounds for shooting people. And if you say they were being shot at by the people in the car funny seeing as the windows were up and there was no sunroof...
Although like I said I'm not making an opinion on the incident cause the only people that can really know are the people that were there but it's just something to think about.- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1This is what you get for being a moron and taking a video posted out of context and with absolutely no background information by a propagandist at face value.
The white car ran a road block out of view of the camera and was being fired upon by the soldiers manning that road block an standing, you know...5 feet from the car as it passed. The guys in this video simply finished the job. - tripledjr, on 04/27/2008, -0/+0Ok, sorry for being a moron, for as I stated not being there when it happened.
Next time I'll make sure I'm at the scene for any video that gets posted on the web.- elTito, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Apology accepted.
It's not necessary to be there. Just don't jump to the first conclusion that tickles your fancy - especially when there is background and rebuttal readily available by spending all of 30 seconds on Google.
- elTito, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Apology accepted.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1This is what you get for being a moron and taking a video posted out of context and with absolutely no background information by a propagandist at face value.
- shaelen, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Uhm, yeah, just as you should believe the Republic of Turkey when they say there was no Armenian Genocide. Because as we all know, if someone says one thing then it must be true.
- YellowSnowDemon, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2What if I sent you a video of me giving a burly man a blowjob, but at the end it said, "Don't worry. YSD isn't gay, and no blowjobs were given during this film."
- blackjack75, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1"Doc" could have mentionned why they were shooting at these guys and who they were.
- mcm020, on 04/27/2008, -9/+32A reasonable person would assume you would not upload damning video evidence of you killing innocent people. Digg users, don't be the bag of ass I know you're not. Examine the facts, use common sense, and don't let your politics cloud your mind.
- kildorn, on 04/27/2008, -14/+88First of all, these were 1/5 marines.
This is the Flanndawg Massacre. It happened in Ramadi. You can here an interview with the soldier who shot this footage here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=756_1175128937
As far as people criticizing our men for being stoked they just survived and won a firefight, I think you have no idea what it means to be in combat.- vulcanius, on 04/27/2008, -27/+11There's a difference between the relief of surviving and the glee of slaughtering.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 04/27/2008, -10/+25Unless you're saying you've expierenced both, I think your full of *****.
- effinboy, on 04/27/2008, -6/+4I have. He's not. There's a big ***** difference.
- BananaGrabber, on 04/27/2008, -4/+18It's ridiculous that I'm Kildorn get buried. Watch the video. They almost died from sniper fire. I'd be glad as hell too if I managed to kill someone who tried to kill me first.
- BananaGrabber, on 04/27/2008, -2/+10It's ridiculous that Kildorn is getting buried*
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 04/27/2008, -10/+25Unless you're saying you've expierenced both, I think your full of *****.
- lordenlil, on 04/27/2008, -5/+9From a comfortable couch in safe America, we are sure to have a much different perspective on this- you are right. But, the value of human life should not be dependent on the viewpoint of the judge. In a civilization, as members of a modern society, there must exist a certain sanctity for life. In combat or not, that sanctity should not be violated.
In the entire interview, the marine is not once asked about the people that were murdered in the car. It is entirely clear that the passengers were NOT firing any guns, and its very likely that they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. A sniper attacked the marines, and he was nowhere near the passing cars. The outrage at the marines' excitement is because they has just murdered a (safe to presume) innocent person, and they could not sound happier.- lordenlil, on 04/27/2008, -3/+4I've been reading this a bit more, and some people claim that the people in the car were the snipers, and were attempting a getaway. If that's the case, then I take back the accusatory part of my comment.
A question though: how is it known that the murdered people were the snipers?- SaladCactusKing, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1Meant to bury you, disregard my Digg.
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3The common perception of a sniper is that its a lone gunman far away from his target in a concealed location. Understandable, thats all we ever see in movies and thats how modern armies train their snipers to fight. In this conflict, however, a sniper is usually in a team with a few others firing out of the back of a car or near a getaway car from fairly close to their target. The insurgents figured out early on that when they try to snipe Coalition troops from a single vantage point, or one hard to exfil from, we blow their ass up with a really, really big bomb. They employ hit and run tactics because their best shot at survival is taking a shot or two and then GTFO. While this gives them a better chance to get away, they are easier to pick out because on the streets of a city you need to be fairly close to get a good field of fire because of building obstruction, passers-by, etc
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Spare us the sophomoric drivel. I suppose you think that the folks we send off to war should sit around to lament and mourn the deaths of every person they shoot in combat? Maybe sit around in a circle and hug and cry on each-other's shoulders?
Sorry. I want Marines to excel at killing and like doing it. Let the people who are in charge of them fret over the moral ramifications.
- lordenlil, on 04/27/2008, -3/+4I've been reading this a bit more, and some people claim that the people in the car were the snipers, and were attempting a getaway. If that's the case, then I take back the accusatory part of my comment.
- kildorn, on 04/27/2008, -2/+2I was sad to see this video hit the front page,, however it has heartening to see it be labled as inacurate. Thank you to those who read past the title. I encourage all to take a moment to appreciate the sacrifice that every man, woman, and family member makes in service to America.
- rexblade, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2I don't see how a soldiers sacrifice justifies unloading your clip into an unlucky civillian driving by with glee.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1Wasn't an "unlucky civilian". Get your facts straight before you pollute the world with your idiocy.
- rexblade, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1I was referring to the man driving the white car entering the frame from the left. His car stops then he makes a break for it before he was shot anymore and is gunned down in the back. The soldiers remark was something like "we ***** those peoples ***** all up i musta put 30 rounds into him." What person were you talking about? didnt look lucky to me.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1Wasn't an "unlucky civilian". Get your facts straight before you pollute the world with your idiocy.
- rexblade, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2I don't see how a soldiers sacrifice justifies unloading your clip into an unlucky civillian driving by with glee.
- vulcanius, on 04/27/2008, -27/+11There's a difference between the relief of surviving and the glee of slaughtering.
- jcm267, on 04/27/2008, -32/+25Buried as seditious *****. Where are the videos of the Jihadist atrocities?
- spongya77, on 04/27/2008, -5/+3Hey, idiot. Didn't you learn in kindergarden that just because little Johnny misbehaves, doesn't mean you can too?
Who cares about the "Jihadist atrocities", anyway? First of all, the people shooting at US soldiers are bona fide freedom fighters/guerrillas fighting against an occupation. Second, they don't claim to be the "example of all", the one-and-only freedom-bringing good guys. Whatever they do, if you think you can behave like they do, you are just as bad as they are. Except you are a hypocrite as well, so it means you are a douche bag.- jcm267, on 04/27/2008, -4/+6Are you drunk?
- jull1234, on 04/27/2008, -2/+2holy *****.
- foxfire1311, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5have you ever watched some of the Jihadists videos??
im a little confused as to how cutting people's heads off on video has anything to do with fighting for freedom.... - elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Please, for the love of God, put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger.
- spongya77, on 04/27/2008, -5/+3Hey, idiot. Didn't you learn in kindergarden that just because little Johnny misbehaves, doesn't mean you can too?
- Laughsatyou, on 04/27/2008, -11/+5awesome video
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Re-evaluate your life if you think watching someone die is laudable, or cut the feux-manliness
- D14BL0, on 04/27/2008, -24/+14The way they cheer about this *****... Do they think this is a game? It sounds like a Counter Strike LAN party.
It's disgusting that a person has it within them to *cheer* after killing somebody.- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -3/+5Please see kildorns comment...three comments above your own.
- TheAstronomer, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2Also...is there sand in your vagina? Why don't you go to Iraq and show them how to kill people?
- Disregard, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Crazy idea - how about NO-ONE goes to Iraq to kill people?
- foxfire1311, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2have you ever been shot at before?
didn't think so....- D14BL0, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Actually, I have.
It hasn't encouraged me to go "Woo hoo!" when I see people being murdered.- foxfire1311, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1pics
or it didn't happen
- foxfire1311, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1pics
- D14BL0, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Actually, I have.
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -33/+32Apparently all it takes for liberals and diggbats to condemn US Troops is an inflammatory title on a video on youtube.
BUT DON'T QUESTION YOUR PATRIOTISM! Right? YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS! Right?
***** assholes.- ironhide, on 04/27/2008, -8/+8Welcome to more patented FAUX OUTRAGE (tm)
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -6/+7Scroll up. This thread is full of it.
- nblsavage, on 04/27/2008, -5/+6You're full of it.
- strangewill, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1You're full of it.
- nblsavage, on 04/27/2008, -5/+6You're full of it.
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -6/+7Scroll up. This thread is full of it.
- strangewill, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3So supporting our troops is to be done without question?
Again, not saying this is a circumstance to do it in or not do it in, but you need to question where you draw the line. Considering some people don't even draw a line, and would let them murder entire towns and still pat them on the back.- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1"So supporting our troops is to be done without question?"
That's not what he said at all. Kindly take your straw man fallacies elsewhere.- strangewill, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1They're questioning, and your first line of defense is putting their patriotism on the line. I don't see where the fallacy is in my point.
- elTito, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1No, they're not questioning, they're condemning without context, background or rebuttal. Questioning would be, "Well, this appears on the surface to look bad, but what don't I know? What were the circumstances leading up to this? What was the reason these Marines were firing on these people, as no such explanation is even attempted in the video?" etc.
I'm not going to bother quoting any of the posters about whom the OP was speaking. Just scroll up. You'll be looking for things like "***** murdering pigs," etc.
I told you what the fallacy was in your point. You engaged in straw man fallacy, taking the position of the OP and twisting it, asserting that he said something that he in fact did not. "Putting words in his mouth," to use the cliche.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man ... - elTito, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1God damn Digg.
Copy/paste that link into your browser and add a .html
- elTito, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1No, they're not questioning, they're condemning without context, background or rebuttal. Questioning would be, "Well, this appears on the surface to look bad, but what don't I know? What were the circumstances leading up to this? What was the reason these Marines were firing on these people, as no such explanation is even attempted in the video?" etc.
- strangewill, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1They're questioning, and your first line of defense is putting their patriotism on the line. I don't see where the fallacy is in my point.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1"So supporting our troops is to be done without question?"
- ironhide, on 04/27/2008, -8/+8Welcome to more patented FAUX OUTRAGE (tm)
- Brad324, on 04/27/2008, -14/+11This seems more like a voice chat from World of Warcraft... I was half expecting to hear "Alliance FTW - ***** the horde!"
- Hoxie, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4you. are. a. douche.
- Rustymetal, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5He is right. The soldiers are a bunch of kids. They don't even act like soldiers. Guy yelled Cease fire, but everyone made sure their clip was empty.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -2/+2Right. Please detail the bona fides which qualify you as an expert on just how "real" soldiers act.
Give you a hint, you ***** douche bag: movies and comic books don't count.
The fact that you want it to be doesn't make it so, and when your mommy told you what a genius you are, she was lying.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -2/+2Right. Please detail the bona fides which qualify you as an expert on just how "real" soldiers act.
- Rustymetal, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5He is right. The soldiers are a bunch of kids. They don't even act like soldiers. Guy yelled Cease fire, but everyone made sure their clip was empty.
- Hoxie, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4you. are. a. douche.
- MarkusGarvey, on 04/27/2008, -24/+14no wonder they hate us......they were acting like it was a video game...
- rangermatt, on 04/27/2008, -10/+9Now there could have been a lead-in to this that might explain what all the shooting was about, so I can't say this is absolute proof that these were random unarmed civilians........
But regardless, what's really disgusting is the way these soldiers celebrate. I understand that war is brutal psychologically and you have to cope emotionally somehow, but there really doesn't seem to be any excuse for they way these soldiers treat it all as a big game. Just listening to the way these guys talk is pretty disgusting - I can't stand kids that talk like that in "civilian" life. But that's exactly what these guys are - just kids. There's no way we should be sending kids out there to kill and be killed. What a waste, for all involved.- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3soldiers are 18-25 year olds?! SHOCKING
Wait.. that's been the case every since the beginning of time. Kids on the verge of man-hood and beyond are considered to have the ability to fight in wars in any culture... - elTito, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1I know your lives are mostly insulated from matters of life and death, but I find it hard to hold my temper when I read ignorant ***** drivel like this.
I can only imagine what a helpless ball of mush you would be reduced to if you had any idea of the type of ***** that is said by every cop, paramedic and firefighter at just about any horrific scene.
Please, just let the adults figure out how to cope with this stuff for themselves.
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3soldiers are 18-25 year olds?! SHOCKING
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 04/27/2008, -8/+54http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=756_1175128937
Nice interview with the guy who shot the video. Basically, they were on a rooftop in Ramdi when all of the civilian scattered, they they started taking sniper fire. What you see in the video is their response followed by the insurgents trying to make their escape. Needless to say they fail.- 1randomguyO8, on 04/27/2008, -8/+8They didn't say it was the insurgents trying to make their escape and nothing in the video said that people in the cars were insurgents.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 04/27/2008, -1/+10It does say they were armed.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2So??
What they should have done (and certainly what they WOULD have done had 1randomguy08 been there, by God) was call in a magistrate and a big gaggle of lawyers, gently detain the alleged insurgents and hold a hearing at first possible convenience to determine whether or not there were in fact justified in opening fire on the alleged insurgents. Then, everyone should have been returned to their starting positions and the conflict resumed.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2So??
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 04/27/2008, -1/+10It does say they were armed.
- uriman, on 04/27/2008, -10/+3is it proper to shoot solders in the back if they are retreating?
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 04/27/2008, -2/+12Yes, particuarly if they still have their weapons showing that they intend to continue fighting.
- jmpeagle, on 04/27/2008, -1/+6they weren't surrendering then they are still combatants
- strangewill, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4But don't do it back home when someone who tried to rob you is running away.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Uh...actually you are perfectly justified in shooting someone in the back if you can reasonably demonstrate that you believed there was an imminent danger of that person harming someone else if you allowed them to get away.
- anoneng, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2thats the best time to shoot them actually.
thats been the rules of war since the Persian wars in ancient greece.
if you don't want to die, don't start a firefight, and don't try to run away. just because you stop shooting doesn't mean the other side has to stop.
- 1randomguyO8, on 04/27/2008, -8/+8They didn't say it was the insurgents trying to make their escape and nothing in the video said that people in the cars were insurgents.
- theandy1, on 04/27/2008, -13/+14I'm sorry but if you're dumb enough to drive at a high speed and stop right in the middle of a gunfight you deserve to die. Either that or you are most likely attempting to become part of the gunfight.
- strangewill, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Now if only this happened to more people, we'd have more stupid people cleansing, too bad there aren't random gunfights in America to cleanse the dumb eh?
- Amiga500, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2He didn't stop, he crashed. You'd make a fine detective.
- ahale97, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1He did crash but, he still drove towards a gun fight if i was driving and what sounded like gun fire was slowly getting louder and louder i think i would turn around.
- spongya77, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1I hope you can test that hypothesis with your skin on the line.
- hexx54, on 04/27/2008, -16/+7I was waiting for the camera man to get sniped. This footage makes me angry of what's going on over there!
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Right! Root for the Americans to get killed!
Is this the position of most liberals or just the ones as insane as you?
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Right! Root for the Americans to get killed!
- Picaroon, on 04/27/2008, -21/+39Inaccurate *****--as others have mentioned. Scary that 123 (and counting) people were stupid enough to Digg this.
That's war. That's what war is like. Be glad those guys are out willing to do it so you don't have to. I'm especially glad they didn't get hit during the fight.- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -6/+5Evil always has its cheerleaders. The scary thing is that even Nazis probably thought they were doing good for their country and, hell, maybe even humanity.
- TheSuperunknown, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1I don't think you understand the implications. If they don't go fight, you or I do through a draft... Whether we agree with this ***** or not.
- spongya77, on 04/27/2008, -3/+6Why the ***** would they need to do it, asswipe? This is a completely unnecessary war, not to mention, illegal. Just as illegal as Germany's attack on Poland.
- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -4/+2You're wrong. Germany invading Poland was wrong because...well, the Germans are not Americans. If the Americans did it, it would be justified and Diggers would cheer for it and bury any video of Americans shooting Polish civilians.
- deathsquadx, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3It's not a war, it's an occupation of a sovereign nation.
- YellowSnowDemon, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2War is... killing civilians? I thought it was soldier vs. soldier fights, where the people actually shot back!
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1And, of course, you have some way to prove that the guys in the white cars WERE in fact civilians and not insurgents trying to escape, right? I mean I know that the idea of evidence pales in comparison to what makes you feel good...how silly it would be for me to think otherwise. But there are those crazies out there always demanding the exercise of reason, putting a total drag on everything, and I'd hate for you to have your little feelings hurt if one of them actually called you out.
I'm just doing you a service is all I'm saying. Because I care.
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1And, of course, you have some way to prove that the guys in the white cars WERE in fact civilians and not insurgents trying to escape, right? I mean I know that the idea of evidence pales in comparison to what makes you feel good...how silly it would be for me to think otherwise. But there are those crazies out there always demanding the exercise of reason, putting a total drag on everything, and I'd hate for you to have your little feelings hurt if one of them actually called you out.
- DesertDude, on 04/27/2008, -6/+5Evil always has its cheerleaders. The scary thing is that even Nazis probably thought they were doing good for their country and, hell, maybe even humanity.
- mrzack, on 04/27/2008, -20/+9These troops play too much violent video games.
- madfrogurt, on 04/27/2008, -9/+44How generic can you get for propiganda? You cut out everything before and after the video and it looks like a one sided slaughter against a helpless target. Whoever edited this should have cut out the part where one soldier tells the other about where the bullet from the enemy sniper hit. Unarmed civilians don't usually shoot bullets.
Digg really is becoming a cesspit of lunatics, even by internet standards. Far too many conspiracy theorists and people rooting for America to fail (and this is coming from a college aged Leftie).- Commonwealth, on 04/27/2008, -1/+9This is the reason I like Digg. No matter how convincing the video/article/whatever The truth almost always comes out somewhere in the comments.
- buddypriefert, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2Yep. What makes me laugh is how the logo for Digg at the bottom has the Digg guy holding the USA flag. This is such an Anti-American forum that it should be holding a green and white crecent moon flag, wearing flip-flops and a peace tie-dye shirt.
- Idiggapony, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4I think "cesspit of lunatics" is the best summary of digg.com I've heard yet.
- anoneng, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3its not even good propaganda, we learned to see through this ***** in my 9th grade social studies class, but there are still people who claim to be smarter than me screaming its an honest video in these comments.
id congratulate those soldiers. from the looks of it they got at least 4 terrorists there and were pretty professional and disciplined. - krazikamikaze, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4I think the majority of the people here are somewhat moderate, but they don't make themselves heard by digging very often. The fanatics are more likely to digg articles/comments they support so they have a powerful influence. It's the same reason why the US is a republic not a democracy.
It is interesting to watch though. When an article clearly biased towards the Palestinians in the Israel/Palestine conflict hits the front page, at first all the anti-Zionist fanatics get dugg up and the level-headed comments get dugg down. Then as time goes on the more moderate diggers realize how biased the comments are so they start fighting back. And since there are fewer fanatics, the moderates eventually win.
Apparently kildorn had negative diggs at first because he posted some facts that disputed the fanatics' claims. Now he has 67 and climbing fast. I think we're seeing the same effect here.- madfrogurt, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Good commentary. It's just frustrating to have sane voices be drowned out early in these threads.
- super3boy, on 04/27/2008, -9/+8I don't think we really can be sure what happened here. Its out of context, but it does look like they just shot and killed some people in passing cars.
- FunnyBunnyBo, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Who would be stupid enough to become a murderer/torturer for the US military now? Only the lowest of the lowlifes. Disgusting people who've nothing better do with their lives than murder and torture innocent people half way around the world. Very sick people. They shouldn't be allowed out of the country. They should be in a mental hospital or jail. There should be no more military recruits, not under this reign of pointless terror ends. I question the sanity of anyone who signs up now. Check yourself into a hospital! Somethings not right with you!
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1What a sad, pathetic little sack you must be. Poor thing.
- FunnyBunnyBo, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Who would be stupid enough to become a murderer/torturer for the US military now? Only the lowest of the lowlifes. Disgusting people who've nothing better do with their lives than murder and torture innocent people half way around the world. Very sick people. They shouldn't be allowed out of the country. They should be in a mental hospital or jail. There should be no more military recruits, not under this reign of pointless terror ends. I question the sanity of anyone who signs up now. Check yourself into a hospital! Somethings not right with you!
- jontalisman, on 04/27/2008, -6/+7It's hard to draw any conclusions about this video, but it does seem like the people in the cars just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time as far as these 'soldiers' were concerned.
- buddypriefert, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3I hear shots coming from the distance. Why do people make such an uninformed claim they were unarmed? Why would a so called "innocent" car load come driving into a street war, slamming into another?
What is "SAD" here is that there is so much hatred towards the US and USA military that even clips like this with no evidence if the background of the video are asked about and nothing but slamming is going on here.
Sad...sad for the idiots who have passed judgement.
- buddypriefert, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3I hear shots coming from the distance. Why do people make such an uninformed claim they were unarmed? Why would a so called "innocent" car load come driving into a street war, slamming into another?
- rustedcage, on 04/27/2008, -18/+6Are these soldiers or psychopaths... it is hard to tell.
- talkingwires, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4I think they're just young men who survived (and won) a firefight. They're excited is all.
"Hey, hey, stay low, though. That ***** sniper round hit right where you're at, dude." - anoneng, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2they seem like normal guys. they sound like my friends actually, including the ones who are and are not vets.
- talkingwires, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4I think they're just young men who survived (and won) a firefight. They're excited is all.
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -8/+22If they are unarmed then why do you hear shots coming from the distance? I believe someone titled this video incorrectly.
- nblsavage, on 04/27/2008, -11/+3Well, I'm thinking the shots in the distance could be BECAUSE IT'S A ***** WAR!
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -5/+6Oh! It's a war! Thanks. I was confused. I meant why do you hear shots that don't seem to be coming from right near the video camera but still very near. Sorry for not clarifying that. Calm down.
- nblsavage, on 04/27/2008, -11/+3Well, I'm thinking the shots in the distance could be BECAUSE IT'S A ***** WAR!
- uriman, on 04/27/2008, -15/+8don't you love how no gives anyone the opportunity to put their hands up and surrender. shoot first ask questions later.
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -5/+8That's generally the idea when you are in the middle of a fire fight. If you are concerned about being killed then I would suggest you dispose any weapons you might have on you, lay face down in the safest nearby location, cover your head, and wait until the shooting stops.
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -3/+4That is by far the dumbest comment in this story. What do you suggest.. everyone put down their guns every 5 minutes and see if the other side wants to surrender? My god you are dense.
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1No. I suggest that you shouldn't put yourself in the line of fire when people are trying to kill each other. Make sense?
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Sorry synystar, I meant to reply to uriman. My comment was not directed towards you.. and I agreed with your statement.
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1No. I suggest that you shouldn't put yourself in the line of fire when people are trying to kill each other. Make sense?
- legendxx, on 04/27/2008, -3/+4That is by far the dumbest comment in this story. What do you suggest.. everyone put down their guns every 5 minutes and see if the other side wants to surrender? My god you are dense.
- anoneng, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1how about this, don't start ***** and you won't have to surrender.
surrendering isn't a right.- Disregard, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2"Don't start ***** and you won't have to surrender" would be a good starting point for rebuilding American foreign policy.
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1No one start ***** and no one will have to surrender. It might happen sometime... but only with education. It seems odd that genocide exists within the decade. How soon will it be before war does not?
- synystar, on 04/27/2008, -5/+8That's generally the idea when you are in the middle of a fire fight. If you are concerned about being killed then I would suggest you dispose any weapons you might have on you, lay face down in the safest nearby location, cover your head, and wait until the shooting stops.
- verusdies, on 04/27/2008, -3/+6"homo homini lupus" (Man is a wolf to man)
- shakbhaji, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3It's never lupus...
- mikesbaker, on 04/27/2008, -19/+2***** nut jobs. this is a soldier doing his work.
Wikipedia - Aspartame - Health concerns
Aspartame has been the subject of controversy regarding its safety and the circumstances of its approval by the American FDA and European FSA. Some studies have also recommended further investigation into possible connections between aspartame and negative effects such as headaches, brain tumors, brain lesions, and lymphoma. These findings, combined with possible conflicts of interest involving CEO Donald Rumsfeld in the approval process, have engendered vocal activism regarding the possible risks of aspartame.
Brain Tumors? Approved by Donald Rumsfeld around the same time he was shaking hands with Saddam Hussein and selling him chemical weapons with which to gas the Kurds?
THATS right DIET ***** pepsi WILL ***** kill YOU LIKE totally twice!!!
Oh and btw vote mike gravel. he has the craziest and most fringe supporters around. his supporters make ronulans look like a mena meeting.- MarkusGarvey, on 04/27/2008, -0/+6you have to be the most incoherent shill ---------........a word of advice...crank is not good for you...
- mikesbaker, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1its from the side of the video click more info and this is what you get
You have nothing to fear but fear itself. Cliché Central.
I see GWB passed some Gestapo style anti-terrorism law that allows them to target people that criticize government. Thought crimes.
Not sure if you follow Mike Gravel of Ralph Nader's progress. They are both trying to wake people from the trance.
CNN Mike Gravel Abandons Treasonous Traitorous Democrats http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=3U9wytB...
CNN Lou Dobbs & Ralph Nader on Treasonous Traitors http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dcgDd_I...
Mike Gravel - Helter Skelter - Revolution #2008 http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aPZ7t4M...
Sycophants to authority all simply go along with it.
I love that you are educating yourself but there are only a few million people awake globally at the present time. If you could think of better content for our short clips I would appreciate it. I'm trying to help get more exposure. I see a large grassroots movement growing slowly. email and internet video sharing sites as well as p2p is causing the global conscience to stir. I see family members physically sick from what they now see is going on. No more hiding from the facts.
Wikipedia - Aspartame - Health concerns
Aspartame has been the subject of controversy regarding its safety and the circumstances of its approval by the American FDA and European FSA. Some studies have also recommended further investigation into possible connections between aspartame and negative effects such as headaches, brain tumors, brain lesions, and lymphoma. These findings, combined with possible conflicts of interest involving CEO Donald Rumsfeld in the approval process, have engendered vocal activism regarding the possible risks of aspartame.
Brain Tumors? Approved by Donald Rumsfeld around the same time he was shaking hands with Saddam Hussein and selling him chemical weapons with which to gas the Kurds?
I've been working on a 12 step video, hoping to squeeze enough into 2 hours of youtube ten minute videos to break the spell of lies. I'm hoping for a hand-out format to make it easier for people to share around.
"12 Steps to Freedom"
First let me start by saying that the term conspiracy theory is often used by the guilty to eliminate articulate dissent.
Secondly "Paranoid" is the ability to connect seemingly unconnected events!
1) Admitting you have a problem Food http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0QsFaht...
2) Came to believe in the power Greater than ourselves Education http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=vud8vke...
3) Made a decision to get the facts Media http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=U8nRHj-...
4) Made a searching and fearless moral inventory Religion http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Akoxrhg...
5) Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs Narcotics http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=vBbdJnS... (4 times as much spent on advertising than R&D. Pot eases a myriad of symptoms and is nearly
free yet they claim it makes you insane, brainstorming this one still)
6) Were entirely ready to remove these shortcomings of society Economics http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=05Bql6Q...
7) Humbly asked for help to remove these shortcomings Politics http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=E0BjCoq...
8) Made a list of all the wrongdoers Conscience http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=DXfYcQT...
9) Made direct amends for all the wrongs Community http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=jrkVhRp...
10) Continued to take personal inventory and when we saw a wrong promptly corrected it Who Speaks for the Earth http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=AKU3-LI...
11) Sought through meditation and fellowship to improve our contact with each other and the earth Cosmos http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gwbQmsJ...
12) Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps we carried this message to our fellow humans Responsibility http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=A66h2hv... (alternatives solutions discussions OPEN debates honesty brainstorming this one still.)
We need some collective gathering place for the people around the globe, political differences aside, this is a human issue not a political one. Politics is the only arena we have left with which to enter and hope to have our voices heard on mainstream media. I'm using email, video hosting and many world wide forums to attract attention, raise doubts, cause controversy and create debate. Stir it up, wake the world, nothing good was ever accomplished while we slept. Try here http://www.gravel2008.us/chatroom
http://ca.youtube.com/user/Slavesrevolt
http://members.shaw.ca/davefparker/
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articl...
- mikesbaker, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1its from the side of the video click more info and this is what you get
- mikesbaker, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1this piece of propaganda was brought to you by prison planet - i guess no one clicks more info any more
- MarkusGarvey, on 04/27/2008, -0/+6you have to be the most incoherent shill ---------........a word of advice...crank is not good for you...
- cRmtIMe, on 04/27/2008, -13/+5 Since there wasn't a draft, I don't get why everyone always says support the troops and that being a troop is like the most honorable job. The last job I would ever want to ***** have would be to be a soldier. They're just murders who get to murder legally because George Bush and the media and other tools say we are at war. And for some reason, laws don't apply during war. I would sympathize with them if they were drafted, but they weren't. They volunteered to do this messed up stuff and they get called heroes. I don't get it.
- cRmtIMe, on 04/27/2008, -5/+1My bad guys it's not fair for me to think that all soldiers are like these ones. I was just a little heated.
- richporter, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4"Murderers who get to murder legally."
You're very sheltered. Get out more.
- richporter, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4"Murderers who get to murder legally."
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Right...so, they volunteer so you don't get drafted (which you would) and in your ***** up version of logic that justifies any and all disdain and loathing anyone may wish to throw at them.
My God I so hope you are not of voting age.
- cRmtIMe, on 04/27/2008, -5/+1My bad guys it's not fair for me to think that all soldiers are like these ones. I was just a little heated.
- mark076h, on 04/27/2008, -9/+6How do people post this stuff and criticize the US Military if they don't even know the difference between a Soldier and a Marine?
- Axemantitan, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Read General Lejeune's Birthday Message to the Corps. In it, he called the US Marines soldiers twice.
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Thank you. We're fighting the same war, but I sure as hell am not a Marine, and I can guarantee that if one of the Marines in this video heard someone call him a soldier he would stomp their face into a jar.
- FadieZ, on 04/27/2008, -3/+9Yeah I reaally doubt they were unarmed, at one point one of the soldiers mentioned a sniper barely missing one of them. And why the hell would they be ducking if the target was unarmed?
And from one of the comments on Youtube: "why would anyone drive a car into what is obviously a gunfight?" - liah, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3At the end it said "no unarmed civilians were hurt during this shooting". There must have been a reason. Doesn't make it any less immature, though, and I don't doubt plenty of unarmed civilians have been killed and filmed on camera in the process.
- thrillki1l, on 04/27/2008, -2/+7I didn't see any proof that those people were civilians. For all we knew those people in the car could have been re-enforcements coming that just paniced and ran when they got shot at. I'm not saying I support the war, I hate it. i'm just saying don't call it murder if there isn't absolute proof that it is.
- AmericanGunner, on 04/27/2008, -11/+6If Sadaam Hussein was still in power, hed be killing a lot more people then the soldiers in the video did and thats just if they didnt vote for him.
- spongya77, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Hey, idiot, wake-up call. Saddam did most of his murder during the '80s. With the assistance of your US of A. So shut the ***** up, and learn history.
- AmericanGunner, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1well in 2002 sadaam hussein won reportedly 100% of the iraqi votes to 'rule' anther 7 years (obviously cut short). The previous vote he was reported winning 99.96% of votes. Your telling me those people who voted for him thought he was the best 'candidate'? no, they knew theyd be killed if they had not. or at least tortured. We dont know obviously if it would of happened because he did win 100%. Thats saying something
- spongya77, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Hey, idiot, wake-up call. Saddam did most of his murder during the '80s. With the assistance of your US of A. So shut the ***** up, and learn history.
- andy0456, on 04/27/2008, -17/+3Obama.
- FalkenAX3, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1Ron Paul.
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Irrelevant?
- FalkenAX3, on 04/27/2008, -0/+0*Making fun of OP >:P*
- elTito, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Will never be President.
Sorry =(
- Mahoney07, on 04/27/2008, -6/+12Fake. They were talking about sniper fire hitting close to them
- scot333, on 04/27/2008, -11/+6a million deaths are not enough for Cheney...
- shyboy2008, on 04/27/2008, -9/+1Every war has cilivian casualty. who the hell cares. what makes these people so special. They are just another statistic.
- DoctorFaust, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2You're just a statistic.
- shyboy2008, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3your mom is a statistic on the list of people who i have *****, bitch
- sovietamerica, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1i care.
- wrs123, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1I really hope that was sarcasm. Either that was sarcasm or you're a prick. Or you're twelve. Either way you are useless, go to bed.
- dlindberg, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1You're callous.
- DoctorFaust, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2You're just a statistic.
- rileyhallwood, on 04/27/2008, -5/+3hooray america...
- buddypriefert, on 04/27/2008, -10/+11Why are "unarmed civilians" driving into a battlefield slamming their car into another. I'm sure there is way more to the story here. As if the military was just sitting ontop of a building and say, "hmmmm, let's fire on anyone".
You have no idea what it's like being over there.
Why does the Digg logo have an American flag if they hate America so much?- talkingwires, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Well, I image that driver was dead, too:
"I shot that dude in the white car, ran right into the ***** building."- buddypriefert, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1Evidently, all of you anti-US military idiots are wrong: Here is the interview with the guy who shot the video, explaining how the fight started with these insurgents launching fire at the US military:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=756_1175128937
So, either STFU with you hate vomit or start digging into the facts first.
- buddypriefert, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1Evidently, all of you anti-US military idiots are wrong: Here is the interview with the guy who shot the video, explaining how the fight started with these insurgents launching fire at the US military:
- FunnyBunnyBo, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3Who would be stupid enough to become a murderer/torturer for the US military now? Only the lowest of the lowlifes. Disgusting people who've nothing better do with their lives than murder and torture innocent people half way around the world. Very sick people. They shouldn't be allowed out of the country. They should be an a mental hospital or jail. There should be no more military recruits, not under this reign of pointless terror ends. I question the sanity of anyone who signs up now. Check yourself into a hospital! Somethings not right with you!
- talkingwires, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Well, I image that driver was dead, too:
- troybob, on 04/27/2008, -2/+0hey look more diggiots who digg up old ***** and think they know exactly what happened!
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