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- orientis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+339We're also really good at self-congratulation.
- Pix869, on 10/12/2007, -5/+214Digg is the ultimate village?
I thought villages were only supposed to have ONE idiot? - eatmorgnome, on 10/12/2007, -3/+168An army of people sitting on their ass surfing the web.
Fear us. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -32/+166I, for one, welcome our new digg overlords.
- deepdiggdude, on 10/12/2007, -62/+178Something's happenin' here, folks. People are coming together, regardless of borders, to cause change. Diggers are a force now. If there is news, we usually know before everyone else. If there is injustice, we can work together to alter its path. If there is an undiscovered talent, voice or idea, we can illuminate them.
Worldwide, interracial, multicultural. Digg is the ultimate village. - HUKI365, on 10/12/2007, -18/+123Everything anyone ever posts that says "Digg users..." has been proven to be false. Digg is not a force, its just a self congratulatory club.
- JDWTC, on 10/12/2007, -43/+93Does NOBODY realise that the youtube video was taken down for ITS UNAUTHORIZED, PIRATED MUSIC? This has NOTHING to do with the Qur'an
Digg is the best place to spread lies and misinformation. - Spanktacular, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42jdwtc, just listen to the reason provided by youtube. It mentions nothing about copyright whatsoever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRPVsamLaKk
In short, you're plain ***** wrong. - gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -12/+41edit time ran out, so here's a good quote:
chapter 5, verse 32 of the Qu'ran states that killing an innocent human being is like killing all of humanity, - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28@jdwtc: From this video uploaded by Gisbon, he cites an e-mail from YouTube - the account deletion reason as "due to its inappropriate nature".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRPVsamLaKk
People use copyrighted music in YouTube videos all the time, and nobody cares. - kodak543, on 10/12/2007, -23/+47he was actually banned for using copyrighted material in his video, and not his opinions.
- deepdiggdude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20jdwtc: Then why did they delete all of his videos and bar his account?
- MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -24/+41let's not forget that christianity set the human race back 800 years...it was called the darkages and once the christians gained power they swept through europe burning books and educated people it wasn't until the blakc plague wiped out a large section of priests and priests had to be taught in thier own language rather than latin dso the masses could go on and the church could retain it's powers. Then came the invention of the printing press...which after 800 years humanity finally was able to see a little bit of the light of day.....christianity has given us such gems as...documented orgies with children in the vatican, the salem witch hunts, abortion clinic bombings, several inquisitions, several crusades,, the total wiping from the face of the earth the mayan( i think that's right?) and thier written history by the spanish conquistadors "In the name of god and country" Not to mention the clear backing of slavery in the bible. See muslims may talk a good fight but christianity has the past to back up it's blood thirsty rep.
- billyvnilly, on 10/12/2007, -15/+30No the bible isn't violent at all.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
i.e. God will kill those who hate him. Deuteronomy 7:10
[edit]oh a little late. - seventoes, on 10/12/2007, -14/+27Oh of course, because its written in the bible, it is undeniable.
- samby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Disclaimer: I'm not a muslim - I'm an atheist. Below I've pasted all the verses in the video where the Quran is exhorting the believers to perform a certain action (The rest seem to describe what Allah will do to the unbelievers). Below that I've pasted the same verses as found on wikipedia (wikisource - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Holy_Qur%27an/Al-Fatiha).
I don't have any particular axe to grind - I thought I'd include this so some people could decide for themselves.
One thing about the history is that Muhammed and his small band of followers were almost instantly attacked and persecuted by the people around him who at that time believed in many gods (and had a polytheistic interpretation of Mecca, ie. the Sacred Mosque). It seems that Christ's enemies were at least somewhat more civilised. A little knowledge of this history might help in interpreting some of the tone and context of the verses below.
--- From the video ----
2.191-2
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)
4.89
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4.91
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given a clear warrant.
9.5
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them.
--- From wikipedia ----
2.191-2
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
4.89
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.
4.91
Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.
9.5
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. - omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Posting things found in their own book can hardly be considered hateful.
- andrewgreve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11The marketplace of ideas is essential to liberty.
- Chandon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Religious people believe random stuff for no reason, insist that "having faith" is normal and acceptable, and then try to set public policy on the basis of their delusions. I'm sorry, but when it comes to things like "Equal time for Creationism in Schools" it's not time to be tolerant of people's beliefs - it's time to tell the irrational folks to shut their yap.
Religion (at least Christianity & Islam) is seriously dangerous, because it teaches people that there are things more important than understanding and improving the world that we live in. It teaches people that if they act the way their religious authorities tell them to, they can look forward to an eternal life of pleasure. Just by taking one leap of faith and accepting religion, someone can make an otherwise rational decision to become a suicide bomber.
It's worth some effort to "convert people to atheism", because I *know* that a sane atheist won't become a suicide bomber without a lot more reason than the promise of heaven. I *know* that if an atheist is a good person they won't act in a way that makes the world worse, because they know that this world is all we have. - Lyanto, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18Wow. That's a lot of references to death and fire. While I don't have a problem with religion, too many people use it to justify hurting others and this video makes it pretty clear. Nick shouldn't have been censored.
Also: "But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty." ;-D - deepdiggdude, on 10/12/2007, -13/+24Surfer51:It doesn't matter they're both based on myths. Nick's overall point is that neither should be a guide for living. And BTW, bible is stuffed with violent passages which are detailed here:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html - plugues, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12you're fairly to say that it's completely out of context to analyze the scriptures almost 2000 years after they were written. i'm no bible expert, but from what i've heard a very similar video could (and definitely should) be made just by quoting the bible, such as:
"I bring not peace, but the sword" - Jesus of Nazareth.
...which only goes to show how most (if not all) religions are equally retarded. - macguy815, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19Yeah... but look at the new testament: sacrifice children, sorry god was kidding, kill all the sinners in a flood, stone homosexuals, etc etc. Anything written 2000 years ago simply has the values of 2000 years ago, which is why taking ANY religious text at its literal meaning is moronic and dangerous.
- omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15way to ignore the parts you don't like...just like many Christians do with their book
- dreamlayers, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16The Bible advocates violence quite a bit. The New Testament is better than the Old Testament in that respect, and it's no surprise that you're just quoting the New Testament when trying to support your point. I unfortunately don't remember any links, but this site I quickly found through Google might prove enlightening: http://www.evilbible.com/February.htm
- AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Lemme get this straight. When Gisburne pointed out the absurdity of Christian faith, nothing happens. But when he points out the absurdity of Islamic faith, the video is banned? Tell me again how ANYONE can defend this....
- Jolls, on 10/12/2007, -19/+28@MrFlesh
Don't forget about
-The International Red Cross (founded by Christians (though it remains non-religous so it can do charity effort in countries where christians are not allowed or are killed on spot)
-Union Gospel Mission in Seattle (served 519,918 meals, 127,626 covered and safe overnight stays, 1109 free dental visits by volunteering licensed dentists, 13,700 study hours in the missions computing and eductaional center. and was founded on christian principles, and is run by christian men and women.)
-Youth with a Mission (reaches 400,000 people annually with surgery, dental work, medical supplies, food, seeds for free, and is run by people who pay their own way. Run and operated by christians)
-Habitat for Humanity International (christian based and has made decent and affordable living for 200,000 people world wide)
-World Vision (international Christian relief organization, aimed especially at children. In 2004, World Vision offered material, emotional, social and spiritual support to 100 million people in 96 countries.)
-Goodwill (founded by a reverend and is maintained on christian principles. Last year Goodwill provided employment and training services to more than 720,000 people.) - wizawuza, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11yay let's all learn about Islam and Jihad from Jihadwatch! Me so smart! Me no longer ignorant!
Learn from objective sources next time. - straxus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@xen0blue
Bull. A great many atheists hide their beliefs from people they love out of fear of being hated. - jinglee, on 10/12/2007, -12/+20That's called digging your own grave!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8No it's not you tool, stop dragging us down to your level.
- Dundasbro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12We're a village??? "Y-M-C... Why isn't anyone else singing???"
- blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14@Jolls
Those organisations are great. But I don't think christianism was the true motive. People need help, and other people feel they need to help them. If you do it only because you think God asks you too, then you're not a good person, just a tool.
It just happens that religious people have managed to make a vast majority of people believe that if you do something good, which happens to be in the Bible too, then that makes you a christian (or whatever religion happens to be in the context).
Just do not confuse being a nice person, with being a christian. Religion tries to define for you what is good and what is bad instead of letting you figure out (see Genesis). If you accept that doing good is being a christian, it validates their definition of good and bad, then you must accept the rest of their definition, which may vary... - OneLess, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14I don't know any atheists who hate Muslims unless they're fundamentalists Muslims- the real issue is with Islam, not Muslims.
- Spanktacular, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Maybe you're not aware of the deliberate erosion of the separation between church and state here in the U.S.?
- geiger253, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8And they really hit this poor guy with the big ban stick, no attempt to be fair to one of their "community," you can see from his explanatory video how upset he is. Rough treatment for someone telling it like it is. I though Google, owners of YouTube, did "no evil"? This is kinda evil.
I hear the Jihadis are getting into YouTube, so I trust hereafter that all Arabic-language videos will be as dutifully screened for "inappropriate content" as this one was. - gecko1969, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8From a discussion about some thing similar:
the violent strands in judaism and christianity were broken over the
past few hundred years by a combination of factors, chief among them 1)the
Enlightenment, and in particular the move to separate civil and church
authority; and 2)cultural shifts fueled by economic growth and the rise of a
middle class more interested in studying commerce than scripture. And many
of these factors were set in motion or exasperated by the Reformation, which
can be understood in this context as a culture-wide debate in which various
models of the relation between individual, church, and state were hashed
out.
And [say proponents of this line] this sort of debate hasn't happened in
Islam--or rather, there hasn't been an Islamic Martin Luther and Reformation
yet. As figures like Bernard Lewis like to note, unlike judaism and
christianity Islam has a founder who was a success--Mohammed defeated his
enemies and erected his state here on earth, and he made no distinction
between the civil and religious law--Islam guided all. And that's where the
Islamic understanding remains today, at least for some of the key threads of
Islamic thought: the Saudi brand of sunni uses civil authority to encourage
virtue and prevent vice, the Iranian form of shia has an elaborate
government structure meant to couch religious rule in the trappings of a
democratic state, and the various forms of revolutionary Islam seen in
Egypt, Indonesia, London, etc all espouse overthrowing democratic rule and
replacing it with sharia.
Personally, I'm less concerned with all the mappings of identity and history
that produce anti-Enlightenment views and more interested in the response by
Western democracies. I see no reason for democracies to tolerate the
intolerant [to use the classical phrasing], and I feel democracies have no
obligation to extend membership and its privileges to those who seek to
undermine Enlightenment liberties [by which I mean foundational principles
like separation of church and state, voting, etc]. Few things cheer me
more than news of another democracy-bashing imman being stripped of UK
citizenship and sent back to Algeria or Egypt. And my day--no, my month--is
made when the same cleric is begging to be airlifted out at the first sign
of trouble, pleading with the UK government to extract him on humanitarian
grounds. - geiger253, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Scientific atheists recognize that all religions are oppressive baloney. What's to respect?
- wobblebottom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I don't understand why this has to happen every time there is some posting about atheism. It always seems to degenerate into some flame war about how terrible Christians are. Blanket statements are lame, and personally I wish there was peaceful discussion instead of Christians this, muslin's that. The way i look at it, everyone deserves a right to pursue whatever faith (or non faith) they wish. What you do with your time on this planet is up to you. Saying that Christians force their beliefs down peoples throat is only partly true. Sure there are Christians that act in a way quite baffling to the world when the main message of the Bible is to love one another. I'm a Christian, and i certainly don't shove what i believe down others throats. Force feeding people religion is wrong, and i certainly agree that alot of crap was done in the name of god in the past, but that's exactly what it is. If you step back and take a look at people in general, you see that people do stupid stuff to each other in general and for the most part god never comes up. It's when you get into wars and sexuality where people force what they believe on others and then it hits the fan so to speak. I am of the opinion that war in the name of god is wrong no matter who does it. I'm pretty sure god (whomever you deem fit to call god) really doesn't want you to kill each other, or argue so much, or hate each other because you believe different things. Then again, I'm just a person, and don't know what god is thinking. I do know that the idea of treating people with respect no matter what they believe is generally a good start. Zealots of any make are a dangerous lot, and more often than not they miss the point entirely. As for you atheists on digg, I'm certainly glad you guys don't take any ones crap, and aren't afraid to let people know how you feel. So, to draw this to a close, I encourage everyone here to keep digg a place for good discussion, and open minded thinking.
- schnitzi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It's not how old the scriptures are, it's how seriously and literally people still take them.
- AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Actually Islam killed millions of infidels in it's 1400 year expansion. 50 million when they took over India alone. Neither Christianity nor Islam has a good record of dealing with minorities.
- slicedoranges, on 10/12/2007, -14/+21@hammydude
Not all of the Bible's "morals" are worth living by. - 5hop4orce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Shouldn't you be outraged that millions of English-speaking Muslims are walking around with inaccurate translations of the Qur'an?
Honestly, how is your comment any different from a Christian claiming that the King James Bible is an inaccurate translation, so we shouldn't judge the merit of Christianity based on quotes from that Bible? If the English translation is invalid, then Muslims should not distribute English translations. - NetJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Most of those quotes are from books that are also included in the old testament of the bible. There's some obvious translation error, and perhaps some embellishment but the substance and meaning remains fairly consistent between the two.
- Thex1138, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10...and lets not forget the current spate of priests currently being prosecuted for interfering with young children of the flock and the churches dong everything to prevent them from being prosecuted...the lack of equality or acceptance by the churches of gay priests...
- broomfighter, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9again, *****
jesus talks about hellfire just as much as anyone else - omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I think it's pretty funny that YouTube tried to get rid of this video and now hundreds of people have reposted it. They basically shot themselves in the foot and they'll never be able to take all of them down. That's what happens when you ***** with people's freedoms!
- nicademus8, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The excessive concern for the feelings of Muslims is really lame. Talk about validating terrorism...we're afraid to offend them, and they know it. This all started in the fall of 2005, when those Danish cartoons were posted. The West's response was humiliating.
That being said, the video itself is ***** retarded. Has anyone ever read the Old Testament of the Bible? Its worse. You can conclude that Islam and Christianity are both violent religions, or both peaceful, but to suggest that one is of peace and one is of violence is insane. - papau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I do not think the issue is that it could be taken out of context . I think the issue is those that take it in to context to the point of a fanatical devotion .
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