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- KnightMareInc, on 01/10/2009, -1/+36the industry will regulate itself
LOL - Jensaarai, on 01/10/2009, -1/+20Woo yeah! Clean coal is the future, baby!
...or not. - publiclurker, on 01/10/2009, -1/+19Why take care of the environment when the rapture is coming to take all of the believers away?
- elryanoo, on 01/10/2009, -1/+17Move along folks nothing to see here just toxic ash.
- piratearggghhh, on 01/10/2009, -1/+15Let's not exaggerate here. I'm using 100% wind energy from Reliant in Texas and it's .5 cent per kilowatt hour extra. Let's see here, 1 billion gallons of coal ash spilled into rivers and streams, full of carcinogens and eventually working its way into the drinking water. I think I'd rather go with acres of solar panels and windmills.
- mcnees287, on 01/10/2009, -4/+16I seriously think about how much pollution i am breathing in each time i step outside. ***** i would pay more for electricity if i ment i could live longer and not die from lung cancer due to pollution.
Also no surprising that many of the states are in the south. these places have way to lax environmental laws. - inactive, on 01/10/2009, -2/+13Hey Me042,
You have no ***** CLUE what the ***** you're talking about.
Shut the ***** up, and don't vote anymore.
Thanks. - mcnees287, on 01/10/2009, -0/+9@Me042 perhaps you should read something. stop watching fox news
- Christine283, on 01/10/2009, -0/+9There's been another spill in Alabama. TVA says everything is fine. I call *****.
http://www.environmentalintegrity.org/pub590.cfm - ballardr, on 01/10/2009, -0/+8The coal Ash is just the tip of the iceberg. Mountaintop removal mining is much worse!
Check out the following. Take a look at the Brushy Fork sludge impoundment, designed to hold 5 BILLION gallons of sludge. Directly above Whitesville, West Virginia.
http://www.ohvec.org/galleries/mountaintop_removal ...
http://www.ilovemountains.org/memorial/c301/
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/02/16/reec ...
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geoc ... - inactive, on 01/10/2009, -2/+10Dude...
Do you have any ***** clue what companies get subsidies? You have no ***** clue what you're talking about. The windmills pay for themselves over a course of years, and eventually balance out to be WAY ***** CHEAPER than using something that's ***** up our planet. - jfreeman, on 01/10/2009, -1/+9Too bad those persons affected cannot sue. *That* would be free market regulation. Unfortunately, the government has decided that you cannot sue polluters without showing "direct personal injury to yourself or your property" and "that the polluter has the technical capacity to stop polluting without damaging his own economic interests."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,9 ...
Thanks, government, for protecting property rights! - zuiquan, on 01/10/2009, -2/+9This is one of the things that I love about America. We live here with all kinds of toxic waste just sitting around waiting to be unleashed on us and our environment but nobody knows anything about it or cares until there's a holy ***** disaster and then everyone is like "WTF! Where did that ***** come from?" It comes from us you uninformed bastards. And it comes from the companies that would rather make another 50 cents than clean up the ***** they produce. *****!
/Rant - jfreeman, on 01/10/2009, -0/+7Allowing affected persons to sue without jumping through hoops would have stopped this ages ago without any potentially oppressive, burdensome, trouble-making legislation.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,9 ... - playuhh, on 01/10/2009, -0/+7Is there ever any good news anymore?
- Cowicide, on 01/10/2009, -1/+7Totally safe, nothing to see here.
- cvelusc, on 01/10/2009, -0/+6@Me042
Would be a pleasure to read some supporting evidence, Sir. - bjornski, on 01/10/2009, -0/+6I'd rather live next to a nuke plant than a coal plant.
- sponeil, on 01/10/2009, -2/+8Didn't you hear? Bush effectively killed the EPA. It's still there, but it can't do much about anything.
- tgc1, on 01/10/2009, -3/+8Where the ***** is the EPA on this? Do they have their thumbs up their asses? There should have been legislation on the books ages ago.
- inactive, on 01/10/2009, -0/+5congratulations
- Midtowner, on 01/10/2009, -0/+5Environmental laws are federal. States are able to enact tougher regimes than the EPA requires, but trust me, the EPA requirements, especially for new facilities are stiff.
This isn't a uniquely southern problem either. While states are free in many cases to add additional requirements, they usually don't. The coal industry has a powerful lobby and state legislators don't want to push the costs of environmental regulation onto the people (which is what'll happen).
I think something will likely be done about this under the Obama regime. Not having this stuff designated as toxic or hazardous waste is a joke (a joke which has been repeated in other situations, e.g., animal waste is not considered toxic or hazardous waste either).
My guess as to why no action has been taken is that the political appointees in charge of the EPA right now won't do anything to harm their beneficiaries in the coal industry as they, philosophically, place the low cost of generation of electricity above the need to impose additional costs to ensure a few people are harmed by the environmental impacts of generation. It's a value judgment, but I think they're wrong.
Let's hope the new guys are right. - BullBearMS, on 01/10/2009, -0/+5Why in the hell don't they bury the coal ashes where they dug the coal up from in the first place?
- djholybolt, on 01/10/2009, -0/+5Test Failed
- TheIndigoSky, on 01/10/2009, -0/+4Here in New Jersey, we call that "prime real estate".
- inactive, on 01/10/2009, -1/+5The DEP or EPA probably didn't know how to handle it. Now that there has been a big incident, their hands will be forced to create retroactive regulations forcing clean up and remediation.
- sparf, on 01/10/2009, -0/+4I can't find data concerning the frequency of these spills in history, but two occouring within weeks of each other?
Either the TVA has seriously dropped the ball, or perhaps two ships have dropped anchor in the wrong locations again.. - fancypantscz, on 01/10/2009, -1/+4Another false choice by a coal apologist.
Coal is the ***** part of our energy future. Every lump left in the ground makes the world a better place. - Leopards, on 01/10/2009, -1/+4We need a map show where all these ash ponds are, just so we know where to move away from!!!
- Barackalypse, on 01/10/2009, -0/+3So we have one of two choices:
a) This isn't as dangerous as some people would like you to believe (we've been burning coal as our primary electricity source for what, 100 years now)?
b) State and Federal Government have completely failed to protect us - skygrl7, on 01/10/2009, -0/+3Mercury is prevalent in the Upstate NY area as a result of coal burning fallout. It's a major problem for people and animals alike. Eagles and fish are body-burdened with high mercury levels, as are people. This problem is far reaching and needs to be dealt with..
- nordicnine, on 01/10/2009, -0/+3Gotta love that clean coal technology...
Everything about coal is toxic. From mining it, to burning it (heavy smoke, mercury, acid rain), and the "leftovers" - inactive, on 01/10/2009, -0/+3I'd go with b)
- vault, on 01/10/2009, -0/+3Yeah I thought it was kind of ridiculous how they're saying this yet don't tell you what states are affected.
- BillE3, on 01/10/2009, -0/+3Environmental lobbies halted energy production from nuclear and hydro electric while pushing for using coal to produce energy.
Then they did not address the waste coming from coal as an energy source. Go figure.
Of course they also supported and voted in "co-generation" plants in California to burn agricultural products. Little did they seem to know those operations burn forest trees exclusively. Conifer forest trees contain more flamable compounds(pitch, tars, turpintines) than rice straw.
They even push the certification of energy production facilities that do not pass inspection. - method7670, on 01/10/2009, -0/+2Living in oklahoma and how they wanted to pass a bill to allow for the zoning of a nuclear plant, and how little was being discussed scared the crap out of me.
Luckily DEQ here has some hardasses, but still very lax laws. - bjornski, on 01/10/2009, -0/+2I would have said that "Yeah! The Windows 7 beta is out!"
But the servers are down.... - solmakou, on 01/10/2009, -0/+2Interesting read, thank you. Do you know if there are any updates to this?
- akchrs, on 01/10/2009, -5/+7Lets ship it to Canada as a gesture of peace.
- RipleyIsDead, on 01/11/2009, -1/+3God made the Earth for us to "use up". Didn't he? /s
- NeoConned08, on 01/11/2009, -0/+2THANK YOU freeman. We don't need more regulation. We need to be able to sue these people. That will put a quick halt to these companies just polluting as they please.
- rkymtnwoman, on 01/11/2009, -0/+1well, yeah! Just watch US news and find out that Ernest Borgnine has lived to the ripe old age of 92 by masterbating every day. And there are labs licking kitties, and Britney has made a comeback!
- digg4peace, on 06/30/2009, -0/+1how about both?
- zuiquan, on 01/10/2009, -1/+2We're America. Don't you know that we're better than other countries? Wake up and smell the hubris pal.
- trickstertales, on 01/11/2009, -0/+1Until we change from a pro-money to a pro-human model, it's not going to change. And we can't afford to continue on a pro-money, pro-growth, use up all natural resources to maintain our lifestyle while promoting it around the world as the figures just don't add up. Mine are probaby outdated, but last I checked, we use over 60% of the WORLD'S resources to prop up the US lifestyle with less than 6% of the world's population. Exporting capitalism? Not an option. Continuous growth? Not possible. Time to face reality.
- kmac1048, on 01/12/2009, -0/+1"concrete comes in a truck, cement comes in a bag"
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/concrete-vers ...
flyash is an additive IN CONCRETE, WHICH ALSO CONTAINS PORTLAND CEMENT, SAND, & GRAVEL.
you can go update that wikipedia page now doing something CONSTRUCTIVE with your time... n00b - inactive, on 01/12/2009, -1/+1How much more would you pay? Just wondering.
- wreckosaurus, on 01/10/2009, -2/+2and it's different in other countries how?
- digitronix, on 01/11/2009, -1/+1Leave it to liberal environmentalists to successfully convince people that ash is "toxic" and requires government regulation. It makes excellent fertilization for vegetation, and barely has enough heavy metals to be considered toxic by any standards.
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