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guardian.co.uk — The 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its global domination. "It is known that at least 11 countries provided advance warning to the US of the 9/11 attacks [and] that there were plans to hit Washington targets with airplanes."
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- saltmiser, on 02/29/2008, -42/+32I read a nice story in Rolling Stone that agrees much with this...
- trackerbishop, on 02/29/2008, -12/+33be careful of all the people flagging this as inaccurate and all the naysayer comments - Centcom pays their people to post on blog sites like this just to create doubt over the truth.
the neocons are everywhere. dont trust the democrats - this all started while clinton was in office and none of our savior dems have blown the whistle or told the truth about the # of civilians killed in iraq. this country sucks and unlike michelle obama, im still not proud of this country because we didnt vote in ron paul.
obama wont remove our troops from saudi arabia.- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 02/29/2008, -30/+9OOOH look you're being persecuted by PAID GOVERNMENT OPERATIVES. You conspiracy nuts are loons.
- trackerbishop, on 03/01/2008, -7/+14thanks for proving my point!
- 6minuteabs, on 03/01/2008, -24/+5I guess I work for CentCom because I think you are a ***** idiot. Now where's my paycheck?
- NewGTGuy, on 03/01/2008, -3/+12Obama's chief adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski. His wife is CFR.
I shouldn't have to say much more. If you don't know, you are asleep! - akamurph, on 03/01/2008, -9/+6I thought for sure I was going to see "RON PAUL" at the end of your comment...
- israelanderson, on 03/01/2008, -0/+4Everyone already knows he's our only hope, so not much need to say it.
- Sludgehammer, on 03/01/2008, -0/+3Why would they do that? I'd be much more efficient for a evil shadowy government to ferment discord, then draw the trouble makers into groups and manipulate their leaders, using them spread disinformation from a trusted anti-government source. Or directing them to attack other trouble making organizations.
- MWeather, on 03/01/2008, -0/+3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 02/29/2008, -30/+9OOOH look you're being persecuted by PAID GOVERNMENT OPERATIVES. You conspiracy nuts are loons.
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -1/+16From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_A ...
Inexperienced in realities of war
Former US Congressman Lionel Van Deerlin and UK Labour MP and Father of the House of Commons, Tam Dalyell, have criticized PNAC members for promoting policies which vociferously support an idealized version of war, even though only a handful of PNAC members have served in the military or, if they served, seen combat.[38]
In discussing the PNAC report Rebuilding America's Defenses (2000), Neil MacKay, investigations editor for the Scottish Sunday Herald, quotes Tam Dalyell: "'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world.'"[39]- NewGTGuy, on 03/01/2008, -2/+8PNAC=Neocons=Nazis
They all brought their buddies over via the Vatican and project Paper Clip!
Enough said.
- NewGTGuy, on 03/01/2008, -2/+8PNAC=Neocons=Nazis
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -1/+14Ladies and gentlemen, this is about as "truther" or "conspiracy" as our ***** constitution, something that is written, signed and dated and considered the law of the land... these people are not trying to hide their agenda, they are not trying to pull the wool over your eyes, they are stealing your liberty, your freedom, and pushing you towards a global society.. all while smiling and gladly informing you of it. So get informed and take action, or you might just gladly hand over the next 70 years of your lives to a miserable existence of being forced into a certain job, a certain location, or even what kind of family you are allowed to be a part of, if you are allowed to have one.
- jabberwolf, on 03/01/2008, -4/+1You guys sound alot like the homeless dude on the street that says he really works for the FBI but is a double agent. Most of you just lead miserable lives and need some sort of conspiracy or out to make excuses for it. Sorry but this is a pathetic story and so is anyone for agreeing with it.
- trackerbishop, on 02/29/2008, -12/+33be careful of all the people flagging this as inaccurate and all the naysayer comments - Centcom pays their people to post on blog sites like this just to create doubt over the truth.
- flogistan, on 02/29/2008, -48/+51I started reading this and was astounded at how out of touch the british are, then I read the date on the article. Seems like most people still don't know the stuff he put in the article.
- wooFmeoWoinK, on 02/29/2008, -10/+8what? i dont understand what you mean.
- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -13/+7I think he is talking about the words in the article.
- ByteGuerilla, on 02/29/2008, -4/+42I think he means while reading the article he was thinking "Wait, the British are only just figuring this out?" and then he saw the article was from 2003.
This article was one of the biggest ways in which the bogus nature of the War on Terror was publicised to the U.K. public. Michael Meacher is the man. I knew it was going to be this article when I saw the title of the digg.
- trackerbishop, on 02/29/2008, -17/+33I'm pretty sure obama is a tool too, he is just tricking everyone like the dems tricked everyone in 2006. US policy is that they need the energy, obama isnt going to pull out all our troops from the middle east. ron paul would have.
- omegaredIX, on 02/29/2008, -15/+25Exactly. US foreign policy WILL NOT CHANGE AT ALL be it with Obama, Hilary or McCain. We will ALWAYS be in the middle east as long as there is oil coming out of the ground. There is no debating that at all. You can not debate it. It is vital for the economic security of America to be in that region PERIOD. The only person that would have withdrawn would have been paul, and that is why everyone in the right wing community labeled him crazy. Oil is our god.
- markgl, on 02/29/2008, -9/+2Well we don't by oil from iraq so why would we go there anyways.
- omegaredIX, on 02/29/2008, -5/+6Global oil production mark. Spend about 5mins there. trust me.
www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net - masterm1nd, on 02/29/2008, -7/+3Lol, you can tell by the URL it's a slightly 'crazy' site.
- lewscroo, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2It's not all about our oil supply. It's also about how much others get and who makes the money off the oil from that country. We can't just have crazy dictators and money-hungry middle-easterners controlling all that wealth cuz they could use some of that money for terrorism. Best that the US handles their oil instead to prevent that sort of thing from happening as we are naturally the best choice since we are #1.
- ISIfunded911, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2The all powerful US oil corporations wanted the price of oil to go up Taking Iraq out of the oil market through sanctions and export restrictions did not work: too much oil was produced, so they needed a new war: insecurity and the Iraqi oil production going down + speculation allowed the price of the barrel to reach $100. And Iraqi oil reserves came under US control = geopolitical leverage.
Read that book if you want to understand everything precisely:
http://www.amazon.com/Armed-Madhouse-Baghdad-Orlea ...
- omegaredIX, on 02/29/2008, -5/+6Global oil production mark. Spend about 5mins there. trust me.
- WNW3, on 02/29/2008, -6/+2100% correct
- markgl, on 02/29/2008, -9/+2Well we don't by oil from iraq so why would we go there anyways.
- MrSpontaneous, on 03/01/2008, -5/+2You mean how the 2006 dems sent all kinds of bills to be vetoed by the president, and even caused the republicans to storm out in a hissy fit? While I am disappointed in the productivity (or lack thereof) of this congressional class, I don't blame it on those who barely have a majority.
Ron Paul would send this nation further into the toilet with his out of touch policies.
- omegaredIX, on 02/29/2008, -15/+25Exactly. US foreign policy WILL NOT CHANGE AT ALL be it with Obama, Hilary or McCain. We will ALWAYS be in the middle east as long as there is oil coming out of the ground. There is no debating that at all. You can not debate it. It is vital for the economic security of America to be in that region PERIOD. The only person that would have withdrawn would have been paul, and that is why everyone in the right wing community labeled him crazy. Oil is our god.
- JBmtk, on 03/01/2008, -3/+9WAKE UP AMERICA
- goldisalie, on 03/01/2008, -13/+1Please, this is the Guardian, it is one of the worst and most sensationalist tabloids the UK has to offer, and should be regarded with the utmost suspicion at the very best. There is nothing to see here, just move along.
- xadious, on 03/01/2008, -0/+12The Guardian is a broadsheet and is actually quite highly regarded in the UK.
- israelanderson, on 03/01/2008, -0/+7BS buddy... The Guardian is one of the most respected papers in the UK. Who's the one coming out with conspiracy BS now hu!
- ciaran036, on 03/01/2008, -0/+4oh so 60 million brits are out of touch. If we all pretended that a few people's actions represent everyone then it would be the same if I called Americans murderous scumbags! Which they aren't. We're all human there is very little difference separating us.
- wooFmeoWoinK, on 02/29/2008, -10/+8what? i dont understand what you mean.
- nicholai, on 02/29/2008, -47/+78This is a must read, share it.
- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -36/+24The thing reads like most of the Truther stuff we tend to make fun of. I was waiting for the guy to work in the Illuminati and others secret societies crap to complete the conspiracy picture he is painting. Sorry but this just just another conspiracy article where the author uses supposition and conjecture as if they were facts.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -8/+31He's an Member of Parliament, and former Minister in the British government not some conspiracy nut.
- xadhominemx, on 02/29/2008, -12/+10Why are those mutually exclusive?
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -5/+13For one thing he's part of the establishment. Also everything in that article is in a newspaper that has fact checkers, sedition laws in the UK are stricter than here. All those things are true and they've been in newspapers for years. We did receive advanced warning even PBS documentaries show that. The PNAC documents ( Which Dick Cheney helped write) published in the late 90's clearly outline the need for a "Pearl Harbor" like event. We followed through on the PNAC document.
- Ihatenicks, on 02/29/2008, -10/+21Supposition?
Since when were reports drafted by your own government, supposition?
Did you actually RTFA, or are you just guessing at it's content from the headline and your own particularly blinkered point of view?
Even when it's spelled out for you in black and white, using perfectly legitimate sources, you people are still so stupifyingly dumb as to deny it.. even in the face of the consipacies against you which are being prepetrated RIGHT NOW by you government, you still yell "conspiracy nut" as if they don't actually exist.
Do your brain a favour and OPEN YOUR FUQING EYES!- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 02/29/2008, -10/+4Because you are nuts.
- nicholai, on 03/01/2008, -0/+3Nice debating skills...
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 02/29/2008, -10/+4Because you are nuts.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -8/+31He's an Member of Parliament, and former Minister in the British government not some conspiracy nut.
- NinjaBoy, on 02/29/2008, -23/+13Thats to long to read..i think i'll just watch some more American idol
- masterm1nd, on 02/29/2008, -3/+6You are the idiot you refer to!
- OrangeTide, on 02/29/2008, -10/+11people believe what they want to believe, diggers are no exception.
- geoffg, on 02/29/2008, -12/+2Like the bible right?
- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -10/+5No the bible makes more sense.
- munen123, on 02/29/2008, -9/+4no the bible is *****
- jamdogg, on 02/29/2008, -8/+21So Kevin Rose and other Digg admin, which part of this article was "innacurate"? That the undeclared war in Iraq IS HAPPENING? That there are some unanswered questions surrounding 9/11? That Bush, Blair et al repeated WMD's and none have shown up?
Which part was innacurate?- Ihatenicks, on 02/29/2008, -5/+9I wrote something to similar effect.. but it "somehow" wasn't posted...
No one kind of curious why there are 292 comments made, but only about 100 actually show up?
What I want to know is.. who actually knows so much about this affair that they can say that this is an innacurate account?
This site seriously stinks now.- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 02/29/2008, -13/+6Then leave. If there is some GRAND CONSPIRACY to stop your posts, then GTFO and go drool on the sidewalk with the rest of your knuckle dragging conspiracy kooks.
- nicholai, on 03/01/2008, -0/+6Why don't you stfu until you come up with a real rebuttal?
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 02/29/2008, -13/+6Then leave. If there is some GRAND CONSPIRACY to stop your posts, then GTFO and go drool on the sidewalk with the rest of your knuckle dragging conspiracy kooks.
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 02/29/2008, -16/+9It's inaccurate because it is just like all the truther rambling garbage.
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -7/+12Actually I think what's garbage is people like you who think they know everything but are too ***** dumb to see the world for what it really is. Or, maybe you like burying your head in the sand when something surfaces that scares the ***** out of you. Either way, your apathy is doing more to hurt people everyday than you could ever imagine. So do yourself a favor... don't even bother arguing with the people who do know what is going on, because you're just wasting everybody's time.
I don't really give a ***** if you don't care, just don't ***** with the people that do. That's all I ask.
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -7/+12Actually I think what's garbage is people like you who think they know everything but are too ***** dumb to see the world for what it really is. Or, maybe you like burying your head in the sand when something surfaces that scares the ***** out of you. Either way, your apathy is doing more to hurt people everyday than you could ever imagine. So do yourself a favor... don't even bother arguing with the people who do know what is going on, because you're just wasting everybody's time.
- DiogenesJr, on 03/01/2008, -4/+1I think it went south around the part where the guy has serious resentment of the US and its moral duty to act in its self interest. Because he knows it would be folly to criticize our actions on moral grounds, he decides to throw out the red herring conspiracy garbage.
- Ihatenicks, on 02/29/2008, -5/+9I wrote something to similar effect.. but it "somehow" wasn't posted...
- DamnLogins, on 03/01/2008, -2/+1Lets just tot up a few things...
Action USA Osama
Destroying the World Trade Centers Lose Win
Draining >1 Trillion dollars from the US economy Lose Win
Making the USA percieved globally as the "Evil Empire" Lose Win- DamnLogins, on 03/01/2008, -1/+3Damn you Digg! That wasn't what I posted. Please digg down
- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -36/+24The thing reads like most of the Truther stuff we tend to make fun of. I was waiting for the guy to work in the Illuminati and others secret societies crap to complete the conspiracy picture he is painting. Sorry but this just just another conspiracy article where the author uses supposition and conjecture as if they were facts.
- dshPls, on 02/29/2008, -49/+55Global domination lol
- jvittetoe, on 02/29/2008, -21/+28oh you blind man, you blind.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -16/+11None are so blind as those who will not see.
- Ihatenicks, on 02/29/2008, -5/+9And you actually got dugg down for that?... just proves that people are as thick as pig *****.
- jabberwolf, on 03/01/2008, -2/+1Yes beause EVERYONE else is in the dark but YOU, only YOU and special others can see the signs. The secret messages in the USA 1 dollar bill that were put there JUST for those to see the truth! The new world order is secretly taking over and leaving secret messages for all to know and collaborate.
Do you really know how pathetic all you guys really sound?!?!
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -16/+11None are so blind as those who will not see.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 02/29/2008, -13/+5Reminds me of the James Bond film when he plays the videogame that shocks you against the bad guy.
- colonelbuckshot, on 02/29/2008, -8/+55http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_A ...
Check out the persons involved, they saturate the Bush administration- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -6/+18Talk about brazen. They even signed it and posted it on the internet. I guess Cheney's 2 man-sized safes are full of receipts for knews stories (it's a word, look it up in the urban dictionary), congressmen and depleted uranium.
- chrissandvick, on 02/29/2008, -3/+11It's only brazen if you are clueless about how Washington think tanks work. They publish, a lot.
- Nevarius, on 03/01/2008, -1/+5PNAC actually had a lot of their information online, and the article was pretty much up to pair with it in regards to this think tank plan. To bad their redesigned website has way less information, but I'm sure there's some website out there that has a copy of the old version.
- chrissandvick, on 02/29/2008, -3/+11It's only brazen if you are clueless about how Washington think tanks work. They publish, a lot.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -6/+18Talk about brazen. They even signed it and posted it on the internet. I guess Cheney's 2 man-sized safes are full of receipts for knews stories (it's a word, look it up in the urban dictionary), congressmen and depleted uranium.
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -2/+9A quote from David Rockefeller's autobiography 'Memoirs' -
6-11-6
"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.
If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
1973. After a trip to China, David Rockefeller praised Mao Tse-tung who had slaughtered over 40 million people. His report, "From a China Traveler," highlights the goals presented in UN reports such as "The Commission on Global Governance" and UNESCO's Our Creative Diversity. Both focus on lofty ideals such as peace, harmony and unity in the communitarian "global" village -- a vision that demands absolute control and universal participation in facilitated small groups (modeled by the hierarchy of "soviets" or councils in Communist lands):
"One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony.... Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution it has obviously succeeded... in fostering high morale and community purpose. General social and economic progress is no less impressive....The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly form the singleness of ideology and purpose.... The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history." New York Times, 8-10-1973. - brokencrystal, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1What's so funny?
- jvittetoe, on 02/29/2008, -21/+28oh you blind man, you blind.
- ScienceDoc, on 02/29/2008, -23/+15Watch the movie "Wag the Dog".
- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -12/+8Watch the movie "Akira." I think you'd find it much more entertaining.
- rz8472, on 02/29/2008, -4/+4Kaneda?
- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -2/+5Tetsuo?
- xsquirrel378x, on 02/29/2008, -3/+2tetsuo 2?
- wellyuk, on 02/29/2008, -7/+4And "1,001 Ways To Eat My Jizz, Part 3: Biscuits And Gravy Edition" is even more entertaining than that.
- rz8472, on 02/29/2008, -4/+4Kaneda?
- noahhoward, on 02/29/2008, -5/+11Because when I go looking for advice I turn to movies...
- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -12/+8Watch the movie "Akira." I think you'd find it much more entertaining.
- dkern, on 02/29/2008, -29/+120Movie director Aaron Russo (deceased) came out and said this, quoting elitist Nick Rockefeller. He was quickly handed his tin foil hat and dismissed. Luckily, more and more are waking to this hideous con- by the time the rest of the public catches on it will be way too late. Probably already is.
Many neocon diggers will get their panties in a bunch over this! Be prepared for the a barrage of down diggs and immature verbal bashing- which really doesn't mean ***** in the grand scheme- its still funny to watch!- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -18/+18At least you demonstrated a keen ability to use hot button labels and alienation. Bravo!
- darkcooger, on 02/29/2008, -7/+23Many people in general find this kind of thing to be "conspiracy theory lunacy," but that does not make them neocons. The reality is that people do not want to believe anything as sinister as this whether it's true or not, and that's probably at least partly because it makes them fools for buying into it. If this is true, it's going to be a long time yet before the masses will accept it.
- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -22/+11I guess you are assuming it is true? I need a wee bit more hard facts and evidence. I'm not big on leaps of faith. Critical thinking keeps getting in the way.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -4/+11Start reading then because I've read all those pesky tink tank documents and it's true. PNAC published that during the Clinton administration.
- darkcooger, on 02/29/2008, -3/+4Actually, I was commenting on human nature, not the article.
- dkern, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1You are not going to get more wee facts. You are going to experience them first hand- and probably before then end of this summer.
- mOdQuArK, on 03/01/2008, -1/+4The sad thing is, some people might be COUNTING on this reaction to keep things under control. The bigger the lie, the harder it is for people to believe that you might be lying to them. At the risk of Godwinning myself, this is straight from Goebbel's mouth.
- norman619, on 02/29/2008, -22/+11I guess you are assuming it is true? I need a wee bit more hard facts and evidence. I'm not big on leaps of faith. Critical thinking keeps getting in the way.
- OrangeTide, on 02/29/2008, -24/+6just because I find your rants inane does not mean I'm a neocon (but I am digging a bunch of you nutso down)
- sarixe, on 02/29/2008, -0/+8why not go for a good ol' discussion instead?
- dkern, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Mainly because the deniers/debunker's jump in and dismiss points before anyone can finish a sentence. Its difficult to connect the dots in an intelligent conversation because the river of denial is swift and rapid filled.
Many times I have tried to go over in detail point by point only to be railroaded before I can even reveal the sources. Its like talking to a teenager who knows everything.
So in the spirit of discovery I do massive research of my own, then I hold my opinion and express it when an opportunity presents itself.
I have a tremendous passion for my species and want people to wake up- however the issues we face are just too big for most people to wrap their heads around. The few non-neocons who can and wish to carry on an intelligent conversation is pointless as we would just be preaching to the choir. We need to collectively and individually do our best in services to all brothers and sisters- share the information we have found, through much effort on our part.
I will admit that often my passions can spill over verbally and intensely- but that does not take away the weight of reality surrounding the facts. I do respect people who wish to sleepwalk into oblivion with rose colored glasses- I am here for the folks who want to wake up and at least know where we are headed- not in effort to accept the unacceptable, but to walk together and not quietly into that goodnight.
- dkern, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Mainly because the deniers/debunker's jump in and dismiss points before anyone can finish a sentence. Its difficult to connect the dots in an intelligent conversation because the river of denial is swift and rapid filled.
- sarixe, on 02/29/2008, -0/+8why not go for a good ol' discussion instead?
- diggingaround, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2I wonder how deeply Israel and Mossad are involved in these plans?
"The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document attributed to Wolfowitz and Libby which said the US must "discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role"."- dkern, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Israel is a major player in this- the mossad, I am not sure about as I know little about them. Conducting any research about them or Al Aqueada can land you in Gitmo as a terror suspect or terror sympathizer. Retro immunity for telecoms and internet service providers can be spun any direction to land anyone in Gitmo or another detention center.
The powers that be do not want us connecting the dots- hence internet cables to the mid-east have been cut and will eventually be entirely cut off.
Scary times where actions do speak louder than words.
- dkern, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Israel is a major player in this- the mossad, I am not sure about as I know little about them. Conducting any research about them or Al Aqueada can land you in Gitmo as a terror suspect or terror sympathizer. Retro immunity for telecoms and internet service providers can be spun any direction to land anyone in Gitmo or another detention center.
- Dsly, on 03/01/2008, -6/+2AT times like this, I always remember what Jesus said....
"***** Christ, you people are ***** stoooopid!!!!! Use your ***** heads you ***** idiots!!!!!!!!!!"
And look what happened to him. Lousy, non-conformist, leper lovin' beard growin' hooker screwin' bastard.- dkern, on 03/01/2008, -1/+1There are many people who believe that Jesus is the savior and whom lived a life as close to perfection as an example of the peace that is within us all. This could be a terrible lie and horrible con or even a manipulation by both church and state. It was over 2000 years ago and the facts have been shrouded in secrecy and skewed by many interpretations making the "word" and its accuracy confusing at best.
But to bash what many hold dear is just as foolish as to believe blindly, hence- you appear as a deranged angry idiot.
- dkern, on 03/01/2008, -1/+1There are many people who believe that Jesus is the savior and whom lived a life as close to perfection as an example of the peace that is within us all. This could be a terrible lie and horrible con or even a manipulation by both church and state. It was over 2000 years ago and the facts have been shrouded in secrecy and skewed by many interpretations making the "word" and its accuracy confusing at best.
- 99CentFreedom, on 02/29/2008, -17/+184The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -Don Quixote
- jvittetoe, on 02/29/2008, -7/+16whoa great quote. i like that.
- FlagrantDrugUse, on 02/29/2008, -8/+26Great quote, doubly true for large nations led by a person with a child's mind.
- marvin69, on 02/29/2008, -16/+7And gangs of grown men and small nations and small groups of boys and ants and micro organisms and...
"direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem" Please tell that to the Jews that lived though WWII.- FlagrantDrugUse, on 02/29/2008, -5/+4There are obviously exceptions to every rule. Hitler was the first to use force, we acted in response.
edit: I'm not implying that Hitler orchestrated pearl harbor.- rex84, on 02/29/2008, -1/+11He did commission the Reichstag fire to push through the Enabling Act.
- Nevarius, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Acted after appeasement/talks/etc didn't work for the European community. War occurred and the nations involved were running ragged. We (United States) came in fairly late in the game in regards to the European theater.
- solid12345, on 03/01/2008, -4/+1There is no proof Hitler did or didn't commission the Reichstag fire. There is still a possibility the communists did it and the plan backfired on them.
- FlagrantDrugUse, on 02/29/2008, -5/+4There are obviously exceptions to every rule. Hitler was the first to use force, we acted in response.
- FasterGun, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2David Friedman != Cervantes? Am I missing something? Its not that important.
- Roger_Ramjet, on 03/01/2008, -4/+2Yeah, I'm sure it was a poor use in 1776. 1865. 1941.
To quote Protest Warrior, "Except for ending tyranny, slavery, fascism, naziism and communism, war hasn't solved anything." - keltin, on 03/02/2008, -1/+1Well, if force don't work, then tell that to the Huns, Mongols, Scythians, Egyptians, Chaldeans, Romans, Goths, Visigoths, Mohammed, Turks, Charlemagne, Saladin, Bismark, etc.
It's nice to know that heart-felt negotiation kept so many milliions from being killed.
- TheSkunkMonkey, on 02/29/2008, -23/+68Mmmm 5 year old information, aged nicely.
- skeez86, on 02/29/2008, -5/+18I agree with you, it is aged like a fine wine.
- jkr801, on 02/29/2008, -2/+7like cheese
- OrangeTide, on 02/29/2008, -14/+5and if it said something you didn't agree with, you'd be flipping out over it...
- sarixe, on 02/29/2008, -1/+9yes, but pnac scares the ***** out of me
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -1/+4So does the Council on Foreign Relations. Of which Hillary Clinton is a member, not surprisingly. And David Rockefeller, who has PUBLICLY stated that he is guilty of world domination plans. Yeah, that's a completely normal thing to say, apparently, but the people who point a finger at him are the ones that get the tin foil hats. The world we live in makes so much sense, apparently.
- ISIfunded911, on 03/01/2008, -0/+3Obama is a member too!
Kucinich, Gravel and Paul are not. Unsurprisingly, the corporate media marketed the CFR candidates long before the primaries, much more than the non-CFR members.
Then many people vote for the candidates who seem serious because they are a lot on TV. (!?)
- ISIfunded911, on 03/01/2008, -0/+3Obama is a member too!
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -1/+5A quote from David Rockefeller's autobiography 'Memoirs' -
6-11-6
"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.
If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -1/+4So does the Council on Foreign Relations. Of which Hillary Clinton is a member, not surprisingly. And David Rockefeller, who has PUBLICLY stated that he is guilty of world domination plans. Yeah, that's a completely normal thing to say, apparently, but the people who point a finger at him are the ones that get the tin foil hats. The world we live in makes so much sense, apparently.
- keltin, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1It is aged like flatulence held too long in a body cavity.
- PrincessSalami, on 02/29/2008, -20/+4since when? /sarcasm
- tamckissick, on 02/29/2008, -13/+32I say take a survey of sorts.... give all the possibly involved politicians, oil execs, media cohorts and military leaders a lie detector test, keeping them each sequestered from each other and let's see what we find out. It's about time we get some honest answers out of those people supposedly running this place!
- Yez70, on 02/29/2008, -6/+21People don't run this country. Corporations do.
- chrissandvick, on 02/29/2008, -7/+3Charlton Heston runs into the room screaming "Corporations are made of PEOPLE! It's PEOPLE! They are all made of People! Yarrggghh!" Runs out...
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -3/+3Split hairs much?
- chrissandvick, on 03/01/2008, -1/+3Only when that hair is attached to a Marxist class warfare infested pustule.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -3/+3Split hairs much?
- keltin, on 03/02/2008, -1/+1Now that's one major thing wrong with this country. The People can run it, but they're too lazy to take the power in their hands. If you let the Corps run it, you, too can become a corps(e).
- chrissandvick, on 02/29/2008, -7/+3Charlton Heston runs into the room screaming "Corporations are made of PEOPLE! It's PEOPLE! They are all made of People! Yarrggghh!" Runs out...
- marvin69, on 02/29/2008, -5/+6Then who runs the corporations? People!
- Ihatenicks, on 02/29/2008, -4/+6MONIED PEOPLE.
- ZeroIce, on 03/01/2008, -1/+3Yes, people do run the corporations. Not the American people, just the board of directors or whatever. That's what we like to call fascism!
- ISIfunded911, on 03/01/2008, -1/+3Yes, but watch the documentary called The Corporation and you will hear retired board members explaining that they were not free at all. They had to increase the stock prices/dividends by any means necessary, or they got fired.
The problem lies in the rules (accountancy, laws,...). A few people made insane rules, they organized the protection of those rules (state, police, courts,...), and then everyone is prisoner of those rules.
The time to get rid of those rules has come.
- mOdQuArK, on 03/01/2008, -2/+6Lie detectors are worthless. Why not use the current greatest fad? Torture them until they confess! If they don't have anything to hide, then they should be worried, right?
- Waterrat, on 03/01/2008, -1/+1Use the new anti-lie MRI.
- Independentsam, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Instead of polygraph, we should make them SUPER DELEGATES
- jabberwolf, on 03/01/2008, -2/+1Yes because there must be SOME conspiracy for them to run the world. It couldnt possibly be done all by itself. There must be a secret order right? So you think you should inprison them and interate them on how they do it!?!
Have you taken your meds lately?
- Yez70, on 02/29/2008, -6/+21People don't run this country. Corporations do.
- hoffey, on 02/29/2008, -43/+22Good thing Obama keeps threatening more countries! That makes total sense!
- choppasizzle, on 02/29/2008, -3/+9You are correct hoffey, everyone remember his quasi declaration of war to Pakistan last summer in Chicago? Its been a creeping coup ever since then. And the head creep is Zbigniew Brezezinski
- Frnnkdlxx, on 03/01/2008, -3/+10HOW DARE YOU TALK NEGATIVELY ABOUT THE DEMI-GOD!!!!!!
- ISIfunded911, on 03/01/2008, -2/+7Obama is a well marketed CFR puppet.
He is marketed as the candidate of CHANGE, when he is exactly like all the presidents of the past decades: a member of the US oligarchy.
Kucinich, Gravel and Paul were the real candidates of change, but Obama is a better comedian, and the media of the oligarchy are backing him.
hoffey has this as one of his favorites:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Gravel_Obam ...
- zhepp, on 02/29/2008, -18/+8no wai! but seriously if this point going to keep coming up at least provide new and interesting information.
- JCPahl, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2Yes, news needs to be entertaining to be important. /sarcasm
- GhostyBoy, on 02/29/2008, -31/+66Check out 9/11: Press for Truth
No speculation, just an incredible documentary about the 9/11 families and their struggle with the White House for an independent investigation.- daizy82683, on 02/29/2008, -13/+32why are people burying this comment. I guess it's very offensive to the suggest that these families, and there are lots of them, deserve answers.
How unpatriotic- OrangeTide, on 02/29/2008, -19/+510x+ more people die in traffic accidents every year. let's demand answers for that first.
- fromonesource, on 02/29/2008, -2/+10if you need someone to explain a car accident, you're a moron
- jj101, on 02/29/2008, -1/+7What a silly comment. Its not rocket science is it?
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -1/+3I think a 5 year old can put up a better argument than you can. If you can't hang with the big boys, get the ***** out.
- HarryManhandler, on 03/01/2008, -1/+1Actually Mr Tide, your simplified reasoning should be applied to the question of the war on terror itself, not to the quest for answers regarding the events of 9/11. Even if you believe that the attacks on that day were acts of terrorism, can the response be justified? Simply put, no. Many more Americans die of bee stings, drowning, slip and fall accidents, lightning strikes, shark attacks, natural disasters, etc. than will ever die from terrorism. Where are the accompanying 'wars' on these fateful circumstances? Should we declare war on peanut allergies perhaps? Maybe we should declare peanut farmers the enemy and drop tactical nukes on them and their families, unleash our military, safeguard ourselves with draconian legislation to protect us from potential home-grown peanut farmers. Why stop there? Let's declare war on all nut farmers, pecans, almonds, etc. Kill perhaps a million or more people and abuse our children, and they are just children, by putting them into a militaristic system that's stretched so thin that it's become an endless revolving door. All in the name of saving people from peanuts? What the ***** Mr Tide? Question the morality of our actions and the justifications for getting us into the situation we are in today, and put this ***** into perspective. You have a greater chance of being struck dead by a meteorite than you do dying in a terrorist attack, which is to say that it's astri-*****-nominal. Let the response be reasonably justified, for the love of god, have we gone collectively insane?
- noahhoward, on 02/29/2008, -14/+6They were given answers that they don't like. An independant investigation would cost the taxpayers a fortune and reach the same conclusion. No thanks.
- uptown, on 02/29/2008, -5/+13Yeah ... it'd easily cost as much as 9 minutes worth of war in Iraq.
- keltin, on 03/02/2008, -1/+1Frankly, I wouldn't want ANOTHER lefty group providing Bogus support for another Tin Foil Conspiracy.
- darienphoenix, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Accusing people of not being patriotic is the most idiotic insult a person can come up with.
- OrangeTide, on 02/29/2008, -19/+510x+ more people die in traffic accidents every year. let's demand answers for that first.
- theright, on 02/29/2008, -12/+8No speculation? Have you even watched the film?
It's rife with inaccuracies, logical fallacies, poor science, quotes being taken out of context, etc. etc. ad nauseam.- GhostyBoy, on 02/29/2008, -3/+12Of course it is, dude. Those families questions were throughly investigated in a timely manner and they are all satisfied with the answers they got. All the answers are there and every conspiracy theory has been debunked, right?
Let me ask you a couple of questions seeing as you seem to be a pro on defending the official story:
The U.S. boasts a multi-million dollar air defense network and the airlines have radar that are able to track every aircraft they have in the sky. Do you mean to say that you don't find it the slightest bit odd that these hi-jackers were able to completely bypass the entire U.S. military?
The pentagon is arguably one of the best defended and most advanced military buildings on the entire planet. Does it not seem strange that they were unable to shoot down a single unarmed commercial airliner? This was caught on tape by dozens of cameras. Why haven't the tapes been released?
Why did the Bush administration hold off on the investigation for 441 days? Wouldn't they want a full and immediate investigation?
The families of the 9/11 victims asked Philip Zelikow to step down because of conflict of interest. Why were they ignored? They have maintained that the majority of their questions remain unanswered. Why has the U.S. government not responded? Would it not benefit everyone to have a comprehensive understanding of the events?
Why did they even want to put Henry Kissinger in the first place?
Why did Bush and Cheney insist on appearing together in front of the 9/11 commission despite the families wishes? Why did they refuse to have the conversation taped, or offer any transcripts, and refuse to go under oath?
Let's remember that Building 7 was located in the WTC complex and it was home to the headquarters of the CIA and the FBI and some other high-level organizations. It seems to me that arming WTC 1,2 and 7 for demolition from this location is not entirely impossible, and would be much easier than training jihadists in a distant nation? They were right next door.
Why was the building 7 collapse reported by Fox news and the BBC before it actually happened?
Did Bin Laden and Al-Queda know that if they hit the buildings in just such a way with those particular planes, that the ensuing fire would cause them to spontaneously collapse the way they did? Did they have blueprints of the buildings, as well as engineers and military advisers that were able to plan for the fires to destroy the towers this way? Or did they just plan to hit the buildings and were extremely lucky that the ensuing fire brought them down?
Surely they could not have anticipated that the debris and resulting fire would also cause building 7 to collapse, or do you hypothesize that this part of the attack was planned as well?
When Bush was in the classroom reading to the kids and was told about the attacks, why wasn't he immediately taken to safety? Instead he was put in front of the cameras in a picture perfect setting, surrounded by children, to give a speech for the nation. Wouldn't it make more sense to get the president immediately to safety?
The unanswered questions seem to go on and on. The families of the victims still feel their concerns have not been addressed. Still no one has been convicted in court of the conspiracy to mass murder these Americans. Still there is confusion about the events all over the world. If this is so obvious why can't we convict anyone in a court of law?- 6minuteabs, on 03/01/2008, -10/+1You give semi-retarded people a bad name.
- spaceman77, on 03/01/2008, -4/+2semi-retarded? how about fully retarded? Don't hold back.
- spaceman77, on 03/01/2008, -1/+6Thanks for saying that ghosty boy. It's all about knowledge over ignorance.
I have a relative that has worked on Capitol Hill and abroad for the U.S. government for decades and I will only say one thing. There is so much ***** that goes on that the average person does not know about it boggles the mind. The U.S. government and all it's intelligence agencies have gone through so much trouble to not investigate this thing properly and stonewall anyone who wants to look at it deeply and intelligently.- 6minuteabs, on 03/01/2008, -7/+1Your relative doesn't know jack ***** so STFU. You conspiracy theorists make me want to vomit sometimes.
- spaceman77, on 03/01/2008, -2/+2?
- 6minuteabs, on 03/01/2008, -5/+1In fact, I'm pretty sure this relative is made up. Post a name, address, and phone number and I'll believe you.
- 6minuteabs, on 03/01/2008, -10/+1You give semi-retarded people a bad name.
- GhostyBoy, on 02/29/2008, -3/+12Of course it is, dude. Those families questions were throughly investigated in a timely manner and they are all satisfied with the answers they got. All the answers are there and every conspiracy theory has been debunked, right?
- 69fezz96, on 03/01/2008, -0/+3I fully agree, even if one is not ready for a complete paradigm shift, 9/11 press for truth is a great way to get the door open. T0 not watch it is disrespecting the survivors.
- daizy82683, on 02/29/2008, -13/+32why are people burying this comment. I guess it's very offensive to the suggest that these families, and there are lots of them, deserve answers.
- fant0m, on 02/29/2008, -25/+31THIS WAR ON TERRORISM IS BOGUS. BOGUS WITH A CAPITAL b
- linuxrocks2007, on 02/29/2008, -5/+17BOGUS WITH A CAPITAL bogus
- solid12345, on 03/01/2008, -6/+2Not as bogus as the belief by thousands of Jihadists who really think they are going to get 72 whores, er I mean virgins in heaven. Why can't they just get laid in real life?
- jabberwolf, on 03/01/2008, -2/+1Nah its just as bogus as 10,000 of thousands of muslim children Basij given plastic keys to heaven and then told to run over landminds or charge into enemy gunfire with no weapons to force the other side to kill them, as the muslim soldiers used then as human shields.
This is actual reality and proven. But no, they couldnt possibly be this violent and its all a conspiracy. Kuwaiit, Afghan, Lybia. Do you guys even remember the hostages at the olympics or the downed PAN AM flight? WAKE UP, this is not a NEW war, the only thing that is new is them making a hit on the USA.
This day and age its easier to travel to all places on earth, much more so then it has been in all of history. But also very easy to bring with it terror.
But you guys still live in a small little world where you are convinced it didnt happen before, so it can't happen now. Sad little people you are!
- Zlorp, on 02/29/2008, -24/+8GLOBAL COOLING IS BOGUS!
- jlhoben, on 02/29/2008, -26/+213The War on Terror has not made anyone any safer. It has only taken away our liberty and cost taxpayers billions of dollars.
- justin2328, on 02/29/2008, -44/+11So there has not been an attack on American Soil in almost 7 years because....
- mortinmaxwell, on 02/29/2008, -10/+81Would you like to buy a rock from me that protects you from bears? The entire time I have had it I have never been attacked by a bear.
- floorman56, on 02/29/2008, -0/+7I saw bears...they called themselves "The Dix 6"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Fort_Dix_attack_ ...
and here are some more "bears"
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/09/whitehouse.plots/ ...- MrErr, on 02/29/2008, -0/+4Except for the first incident the others do not mention how they came to light and I can say for sure for the first one being brought out into the open, it did not need laws that take away our freedoms. Maybe if we knew exactly how the rest of the plots were found out, we would realize that there are no need for those invasive laws and that we do not need to be invading other countries to keep us safe.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -1/+12Mortin, I'd like to buy your rock....
- JBish828, on 02/29/2008, -1/+6There's been a recent outbreak of Muslim extremist grizzlies in the upper Midwest. Go and make yourself a fortune, son. This is America.
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -3/+1Stephen Colbert: YES HOLY ***** I'LL BUY OVER 9,000.
- jabberwolf, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2So it never happened beforem, so terrorists cant possibly happen now?
Its been on going for the last 50 or so years, just more real now that they made it to the USA.
In this time in history, people are able to travel and commicate throughout the world more easily than in any time in our entire civilization. This is great but also has made it great for people that want anarchy. If you think the war on terror on the news is all that's going on, you'd be surprised to know how many attacks have been stopped before 911.
Many, many, many !!!
But you think sitting on your FAT ASS makes for good peace. Sad sad person you are to not know any history. Peace is not attained or kept so easily. Its not just have or have nots, there are many who think "I don't have, so neither should they". Those are the terrorists.
- floorman56, on 02/29/2008, -0/+7I saw bears...they called themselves "The Dix 6"
- rz8472, on 02/29/2008, -9/+26There are attacks on American soil every day. They're called crimes, and they kill a lot more than terrorists ever will.
Not to mention by focusing solely on terrorism we detract from ordinary law enforcement.- floorman56, on 02/29/2008, -16/+1So 9/11 was "OK" because crooks kill more people ...Gotcha
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -2/+12Killing a gnat with a shotgun such an effective, use of our resources. Why are we in Iraq? Weren't the terrorists from Saudi Arabia? Why are we in Afghanistan? Why not Pakistan where the Taliban are?
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -1/+6Nobody said 9/11 was OK, but if we let more people die every year to prevent future 9/11s from happening that is most definitely not OK either. I think the point is there's a way to do both and we're not really doing it.
- keltin, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1The imbecile level onDigg can sometimes by mind numbing, if not knut-numbing.
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 03/01/2008, -6/+5I'd say let's start treating street gangs like terror cells and take them out... But Diggers would whine and cry about their dealers being snuffed out.
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -4/+1So does that mean everyone on Digg that disagrees with you is a druggie? Totally original man, where do you come up with your brilliant conspiracy theories? Can I interest you in some aluminum stock? You can use it for, oh I don't know, I'm sure you can think of something.
- floorman56, on 02/29/2008, -16/+1So 9/11 was "OK" because crooks kill more people ...Gotcha
- marvin69, on 02/29/2008, -9/+4But you haven't been kicking the bears in the nuts like we have with terrorists.
Go to the zoo kick a bear in the nuts and if you can walk away I'll give you 10,000 for the rock.- MrErr, on 02/29/2008, -2/+6But what you call "kicking terrorists" has not made us safer.
- jj101, on 02/29/2008, -2/+5So are you suggesting that kicking bears in the nuts is a good idea?
- Meowbiusfox, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2I'd kick a bear in the nuts,walk two miles up a mountain,pee
on some deer nuts lyin around.Stob a stick in a possum's rectum and say Yee Haww!! - keltin, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1Numbnutz are a good thing, when they're attached to Jihadiis.
- darkcooger, on 02/29/2008, -3/+19How long had it been before September 11, 2001, since the previous successful attack on American soil by foreign terrorists? 1993, the first World Trade Center bombing, so eight years. I'm curious what sort of war on terrorism we were engaged in during those eight years, because I sure don't remember any such thing.
- Ihatenicks, on 02/29/2008, -1/+6It was only successful because your government stood down the security sevices, ignored many warnings and allowed it to go ahead.
Had the protocols that were already in place and have been for 50 years, been acted upon then you still wouldn't have had an attack on your soil.- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 03/01/2008, -5/+3You're a nut. Stop reading ONLY alex jones drivel and you'll realize you're basing your beliefs off of speculation, conjecture, and bad science.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -1/+3I do when I was talking with a recruiter they where talking about the war on terrorism being the next theatre in 1992.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -2/+2That's when they started planning 9/11.
- Ihatenicks, on 02/29/2008, -1/+6It was only successful because your government stood down the security sevices, ignored many warnings and allowed it to go ahead.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -9/+4Because you're stupid. Please get off the internet an go back to sharpening your crayons.
- GhostyBoy, on 02/29/2008, -1/+3Then commit sepaku with them!
- JBish828, on 02/29/2008, -0/+4Thank you for your relevant comment.
- worldinmyeyes, on 03/01/2008, -0/+4"It has only taken away our liberty and cost taxpayers billions of dollars."
Don't forget killed over a million people and counting.
- mortinmaxwell, on 02/29/2008, -10/+81Would you like to buy a rock from me that protects you from bears? The entire time I have had it I have never been attacked by a bear.
- cli006, on 02/29/2008, -28/+5The War on Terror, although with heavy costs, has effectively kept the war out of our backyard. Do you feel safe driving to a busy super market? Are you constantly worried about bombs, anthrax, etc.?
I'm not a war supporter but I firmly believe that our efforts have not been in vain. It's not going near as well as we had hoped and a quick withdrawal is needed but saying that the war against Al' Qaeda, Saddam (responsible for GENOCIDE along with Chemical Ali), Iran, and North Korea is "bogus" is stretching the situation way too far.- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -6/+25about that Anthrax...last time I checked it was Right Wingers and not Saddam that was mailing it around, and last time I checked they were NEVER CAUGHT.
- chrissandvick, on 02/29/2008, -6/+3They were never caught but swrostmore knows it was right wingers. This man should work for the CIA.
- Anonemousk, on 02/29/2008, -5/+17Are you delusional? What, are Canada and Mexico going to try and invade us again?
Obviously you're geographically inept, or you would have realized that there are TWO GIGANTIC ***** OCEANS ON BOTH SIDES OF OUR NATION. There's no "war", only a band of rejects who like to cause havoc.
You are a war monger, nothing more.- darkcooger, on 02/29/2008, -3/+1Sorry, replied in the wrong spot...
- darkcooger, on 02/29/2008, -1/+21"Do you feel safe driving to a busy super market? Are you constantly worried about bombs, anthrax, etc.?"
My answer to both questions is no, but your argument fails because my answer to both questions was also no before this "war on terrorism" started. And for what it's worth, if I was worried about going to the supermarket, it would be out of fear of the locals, not some angry person from the other side of the planet.- JBish828, on 02/29/2008, -8/+3A lot of people in the WTC probably said no before the war, too. It's like insurance. It's a preemptive action.
- CrazedLeper, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1Please accept this comment as your certificate of stupidity.
- JBish828, on 02/29/2008, -8/+3A lot of people in the WTC probably said no before the war, too. It's like insurance. It's a preemptive action.
- makkaveli19, on 02/29/2008, -1/+9i'm still wondering, what has iran ever done to the states?
- Synova, on 03/01/2008, -0/+5We've killed more than double the number of civilians that Saddam killed in his entire 30+ year reign in a 5 year war.
- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -6/+25about that Anthrax...last time I checked it was Right Wingers and not Saddam that was mailing it around, and last time I checked they were NEVER CAUGHT.
- pjpark, on 02/29/2008, -8/+17The War on Poverty has not made anyone less impoverished. It has only taken away our liberty and cost taxpayers trillions of dollars.
- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -9/+7uh...what War on Poverty?
- MaikuSan, on 03/01/2008, -1/+0Instead of a war on poverty we have a war on drugs so the police can bother me
- OrangeTide, on 02/29/2008, -6/+9nice! really socialism is about giving everyone the same level of mediocre standard of living, even if some might want to have better than mediocre and others put too little effort to even deserve mediocre.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -5/+6Nice try go to a Scandinavian country and learn how much better everyone has it than here. Then go tour the rural south.
- JBish828, on 02/29/2008, -3/+2Preach.
- solid12345, on 03/01/2008, -1/+1Scandinavian countries succeed because they are capitalist entities that have a surplus of money they can afford to spend on safety nets and there is a "social contract" by its citizens to work and put money back into the system.
Compare this to the lazy bums of the old East Germany and USSR where you could show up drunk to work and never get fired and every "product" they produced fell apart after 6 months of use.
- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -9/+7uh...what War on Poverty?
- colonelbuckshot, on 02/29/2008, -1/+32The War on Drugs has not made society any cleaner. It has only taken away our liberty and cost taxpayers billions of dollars.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -4/+5It's ok, turns out the money isn't worth anything. :-)
- IphtashuFitz, on 02/29/2008, -2/+9Which is basically exactly what bin Laden and the terrorist organizations hope for. They know they can't take us on directly given our respective sizes, so they do battle in a novel way. Force us to waste our assets, take away our freedoms, etc. with no potential end in sight. It's basically a very long war of attrition.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -4/+1So your saying that there winning then? Because last time I checked I had more to fear from bad drivers than I do from terrorists. Terrorists aren't effecting my life but the government paranoia sure is. The only way to win this war would to actually support real democracy in the middle east.
- jj101, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4Good man. I'd argue slightly differently that the only way to win this war would be to develop renewable energy sources that remove dependency on the middle east. Then let them sort out their own problems and give aid when they ask for it.
- IphtashuFitz, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1Agreed. Get all of our interests out of that part of the country and let them fight out all their religious differences on their own.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2I agree we should go tidal, wind, solar, and nuclear. Think of all the work that would create in the USA. We should switch our cars to electric or hydrogen or any of the other myriad of available fuels or energy sources. We should encourage real democracy, who cares if they form a theocracy it's their choice. If we trade fairly with them they will have little reason to want to go to war with us we are all the way across the planet after all.
- rex84, on 02/29/2008, -1/+3“The only way to win this war would to actually support real democracy in the Middle East.”
If they had real democracy; they would elect theocracies, then we would really have a mess to deal with.- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2Iran had a secular democracy until we missed it up. We did a pretty good job of funding right wing militant islam right up until the war on terror. It's been our policy since the 1920's to support right wing Islam starting with the Wahabists in Saudi Arabia. What we really oppose is a strong popular government in any middle eastern country.
- IphtashuFitz, on 02/29/2008, -1/+3No, I’m not saying the terrorists are winning. But the government paranoia that you claim is affecting you is a direct result of the terrorists. If we hadn’t caught a terrorist trying to blow up an airplane with explosives in his shoes then you wouldn’t have to take off your shoes at the airport. If the UK government hadn’t uncovered a supposed plot to blow up planes using liquid explosives then you’d still be able to take full bottles of water onto planes. The rising cost of gasoline can also be indirectly attributed to terrorists who have been routinely targeting the oil infrastructure in Iraq. That country hasn’t been able to produce anything close to the level of oil output that they did prior to our invading them. The terrorists know they can’t battle us like a conventional army so they do things that chip away at our way of life. They force an erosion of our freedoms. They hurt our economy. They’re not trying to beat our army into submission; they’re trying to drain the resources and freedoms of the country in order to make life as difficult as possible for as many of us as they can.
- CrazedLeper, on 03/01/2008, -1/+3The terror story is a lie. They have embellished it by setting up the "shoe bomber" (if it happened at all) and the liquids on the plane thing is just to add realism. The greatest threat to the world is America. The greatest threat to America is itself.
- jj101, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4Good man. I'd argue slightly differently that the only way to win this war would be to develop renewable energy sources that remove dependency on the middle east. Then let them sort out their own problems and give aid when they ask for it.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -4/+1So your saying that there winning then? Because last time I checked I had more to fear from bad drivers than I do from terrorists. Terrorists aren't effecting my life but the government paranoia sure is. The only way to win this war would to actually support real democracy in the middle east.
- chase001, on 02/29/2008, -2/+2Don't forget it's put millions in a lot of people's pockets including Cheney and Ghouliani with his private security consulting firm.
- aboutlogin, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1welcome to the wonderful world of hegelian dialectic and semantic deception. this keeps working because as a group we must be quite stupid, though as individuals we may be smart.
- DiogenesJr, on 03/01/2008, -2/+3I would love to disagree with your smarmy and inaccurate comment, but it's pointless as you won't read it and it will be buried in no time. You people aren't looking for a debate, you're looking to lecture people on why you're right. You're not interested in destroying expansionist, Islamic fascism because your subjective morality has made it impossible for you to see the correctness of our actions.
The Bush administration is no threat to this country, corporations are no threat to this country, Fox News is no threat to this country. Blind ideology that rejects our moral obligation to our self interests and our right to destroy our enemies coupled with an irrational resentment of our nation is the real threat.
I will debate you in a rational way on the facts and the moral issues at play here, but this majority rules site makes that impossible as dissent from the party line is quickly buried. The will of the majority is only right when it is morally and rationally sound.
Shovel away you pathetic dissidents. Bury dissent and silence opposition with smarmy comments and zealous mantras.- CrazedLeper, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2So uniquely uninformed. So completely disinformed: A true mindless sheep. Frightening.
- enri, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Welcome to Digg.
- justin2328, on 02/29/2008, -44/+11So there has not been an attack on American Soil in almost 7 years because....
- CiceroLegume, on 02/29/2008, -19/+9Whoa *****. Breaking news, right here.
- tgc1, on 02/29/2008, -19/+10Bogus? Well Durrrrrr.... I just want to smash my head into a wall when I hear stuff like this. You JUST FOUND THIS OUT!? WHAT THE F...
- ByteGuerilla, on 02/29/2008, -5/+3Article is from 2003. Blame the submitter.
- xsquirrel378x, on 02/29/2008, -20/+30The Guardian, Saturday September 6 2003
lol- israelanderson, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2Truth expires?
- keltin, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1Except that there is no Truth in this article, Swede.
- israelanderson, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2Truth expires?
- tawny6812, on 02/29/2008, -16/+10been bogus
- mydomainoffer, on 02/29/2008, -16/+48i feel sorry for innocent people losing their life because of this Bogus war.
- LordByr0n, on 03/01/2008, -1/+1I also feel sorry for the innocent people losing their lives because of this ***** war... but feeling sorry for the innocent dead is not going to punish the guilty. We are all sheep. Bah
- keltin, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1Too bad your have no brain, Lord Sheep. Feel guilty all the way to the slaughterhouse.
- LordByr0n, on 03/01/2008, -1/+1I also feel sorry for the innocent people losing their lives because of this ***** war... but feeling sorry for the innocent dead is not going to punish the guilty. We are all sheep. Bah
- SemiSarcastic, on 02/29/2008, -15/+4...Or is that what the elitists want us to think? I really don't know anymore. First it's real, then it's fake, then it's real again, then it's "no that's real, but these other people over here are..." MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!
- vladimirpoopen, on 07/24/2008, -2/+4Do you know what it really reminds me of? Tasty Wheat. Did you ever eat Tasty Wheat? Because you have to wonder: how do the machines know what Tasty Wheat tasted like? Maybe they got it wrong. Maybe what I think Tasty Wheat tasted like actually tasted like oatmeal, or tuna fish. That makes you wonder about a lot of things. You take chicken, for example: maybe they couldn't figure out what to make chicken taste like, which is why chicken tastes like everything.
- SemiSarcastic, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4Mouse, those are filled with amino, vitamins and minerals, everything the body needs.
- brokencrystal, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Mouser?
- SemiSarcastic, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4Mouse, those are filled with amino, vitamins and minerals, everything the body needs.
- Erich100, on 02/29/2008, -0/+3Make up your own mind.
- vladimirpoopen, on 07/24/2008, -2/+4Do you know what it really reminds me of? Tasty Wheat. Did you ever eat Tasty Wheat? Because you have to wonder: how do the machines know what Tasty Wheat tasted like? Maybe they got it wrong. Maybe what I think Tasty Wheat tasted like actually tasted like oatmeal, or tuna fish. That makes you wonder about a lot of things. You take chicken, for example: maybe they couldn't figure out what to make chicken taste like, which is why chicken tastes like everything.
- Nougat, on 02/29/2008, -8/+17Something strange is definitely afoot at the Circle K.
- SuperVepr308, on 02/29/2008, -3/+7Yes way, Ted!
- simplicityiskey, on 02/29/2008, -3/+4I had to Digg this comment for the Bill and Ted reference. Well done, well done.
- LoudLoudNoise, on 02/29/2008, -47/+12Buried cause this is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo goddamned old.
- Dumbledorito, on 02/29/2008, -3/+13In the words of Holly, the ship's computer, "There's an emergency going on. It's still going on."
- purzzzell, on 02/29/2008, -0/+3dugg for the dwarf.
- purzzzell, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1buried b/c soooooooooooooooooooooo many people have said this before you.
- Dumbledorito, on 02/29/2008, -3/+13In the words of Holly, the ship's computer, "There's an emergency going on. It's still going on."
- cloudcity, on 02/29/2008, -34/+10Wow, I can't believe people are digging this up so fast. This "news" story is using the same fear-mongering and conspiratorial hearsay that Fox News does.
Global war on terror is a front for corporate greed and abuse of political power.- cloudcity, on 02/29/2008, -9/+5Ah, I used a greater sign and it trunced me.
My point was, the jump from: Global war on terror is a front for corporate greed and abuse of political power.
to
"We knew about 9/11 but didn't stop it" is pretty absurd.- Ultomato, on 02/29/2008, -1/+8not really, 9/11 was bush's excuse to go to war
- cloudcity, on 02/29/2008, -9/+5Ah, I used a greater sign and it trunced me.
- Myal, on 02/29/2008, -25/+24Stop being stupid, America.
Heres how!
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -13/+11zeitgeist has been debunked, its just Protocols of the Elders of Zion set to video.
- adooga, on 02/29/2008, -4/+11Everything has been debunked. Go back to work.
- jj101, on 02/29/2008, -0/+7"Go back to bed America, your government is in control again. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed America, here's American Gladiators. Here's 56 channels of it. Watch these pituitary retards bang their ***** skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go America, you are free... to do as we tell you. You are free, to do as we tell you."
- GliTCH82, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Right, I'm going to start a blog about how I just debunked your claim of Zeitgeist being debunked, maybe that will catch on. Apparently throwing the word "debunked" around is a good reason for people to stop thinking.
- ciaran036, on 03/01/2008, -0/+3It's just WHAT? Debunked...hahaha have you even watched it?
- adooga, on 02/29/2008, -4/+11Everything has been debunked. Go back to work.
- purzzzell, on 02/29/2008, -7/+1I haven't watched zeitgeist, b/c, as another poster said, i'm aware it's been thoroughly debunked.......BUT! I don't think it said anything about how to STOP being stupid, just made the viewer aware of the alleged stupidity.
- Jlaugh, on 03/01/2008, -1/+7Actually it hasn't been debunked. Some people came up with a theory that claimed they debunked it without actually doing so. Zeitgeist isn't perfect but it's questions are valid.
- purzzzell, on 03/01/2008, -4/+1It's basically a combination of 2-3 other movies (one of which being LOOSE CHANGE) which have individually been debunked. I don't know where you find your debunkers, but I like the JREF forums, which DOESN'T debunk Zeitgeist but points you to places where they've ALREADY debunked the points made by zeitgeist.
- Jlaugh, on 03/01/2008, -1/+7Actually it hasn't been debunked. Some people came up with a theory that claimed they debunked it without actually doing so. Zeitgeist isn't perfect but it's questions are valid.
- ciaran036, on 03/01/2008, -0/+3It's a life-changing thought-provoking movie. Most important 2 hours of my life. I already knew about 9/11 and had always doubted my religion but this movie has confirmed my doubts! Its amazing that people are saying 'debunked', because at the end of the day, the fact is, parts of the Bible, especially the parts in which the concept of creationism and God were written, are thousands of years old. That's what hundreds of millions of people's beliefs are based on...
And the film also teaches us about how our economies were set up and who has benefited over the years.- jabberwolf, on 03/01/2008, -2/+1Protocols of Zion were propaganda made by Germans and basically plagerized from "Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" by Maurice Joly being sarcastic and making fun of the ruling French in 1864. The original plotters in his satire were "Jesuits". The germans simply took and replaced "Jesuits" with "jews".
Now knock it off, you're sounding like a dumbass!- ciaran036, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1Zeitgeist has got nothing to do with Jews. David Icke was accused by the Anti-Defamation League in New York of being anti-Semitic. They tried to say that when he mentioned 'reptilians', he actually meant 'Jews'. Which is ridiculous. Hating Jews has got nothing to do with Zeitgeist: The Movie or Loose Change or David Icke or Alex Jones.
- jabberwolf, on 03/01/2008, -2/+1Protocols of Zion were propaganda made by Germans and basically plagerized from "Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" by Maurice Joly being sarcastic and making fun of the ruling French in 1864. The original plotters in his satire were "Jesuits". The germans simply took and replaced "Jesuits" with "jews".
- keltin, on 03/02/2008, -1/+2Zeitgeist is pure BS. It has been debunked many, many times, yet still the pinheads of the world still feel like they are obligated to further the agenda of the Radical Left.
- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -13/+11zeitgeist has been debunked, its just Protocols of the Elders of Zion set to video.
- Sherman901, on 02/29/2008, -15/+5the ***** just got rrreeaalll
- jonnyboy1544, on 02/29/2008, -28/+13That argument is bogus. Even if this was all about oil, why are prices so high? Why are they so eager to earn the disdain of the world? Why does our countries moving away from the dollar?
And don't tell me it was to bump up Exxon's profit. They make about 7-9 cents per gallon if the price is 2.00 or 4.00- nblsavage, on 02/29/2008, -4/+20here's a little thing to ponder - why would the oil companies lower the prices when we keep buying no matter what?
- jonnyboy1544, on 02/29/2008, -6/+6You think it's good to have Congress and the american hating them all the time? It'd be public relations more than anything.
- nblsavage, on 02/29/2008, -1/+7again..we hate them but we still keep buying their product - we don't have much choice.
- dagwood, on 02/29/2008, -2/+5Because American's love driving their SUVs in traffic while the carpool lane is virtually empty.
- jj101, on 02/29/2008, -0/+3Public relations? No it would be money more than anything. Like it always was and is.
- purzzzell, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2Did you read the original post - they're NOT making greater profit when the price is higher - they made RECORD profits b/c they sold RECORD AMOUNTS, NOT charged higher prices.
- jonnyboy1544, on 02/29/2008, -6/+6You think it's good to have Congress and the american hating them all the time? It'd be public relations more than anything.
- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -6/+17"Even if this was all about oil, why are prices so high"
LOL you actually think anyone would wage a global war to make oil CHEAPER- jonnyboy1544, on 02/29/2008, -10/+5***** it does nothing to the price. If we actually got our hands on more oil prices would come down by rule of economics. Increasing supply to meet demand, and the price comes down. Again, they still make their money whether its 2 or 4
- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -3/+9Oil prices are determined by production and not capacity. So what if we are sitting on the 2nd or 3rd largest oil reserves in the world, if we don't actually increase whats pumped out (or, decrease it, as we have done), then prices go up by rule of economics. Think really hard about that.
- jonnyboy1544, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Production plays a role, yes. But gas prices are influenced by crude prices by about 55%. Crude oil is traded on the futures market that does not have anything to do with production, it's all about supply.
I see what you're saying but ask yourself why crude prices go up when foreign governments go nuts? It's isn't because of production, it's supply fears.
- jonnyboy1544, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Production plays a role, yes. But gas prices are influenced by crude prices by about 55%. Crude oil is traded on the futures market that does not have anything to do with production, it's all about supply.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -0/+4I seem to remember something about 19 refineries being shut down in the US the year the War started.
- jonnyboy1544, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Document it.
- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -3/+9Oil prices are determined by production and not capacity. So what if we are sitting on the 2nd or 3rd largest oil reserves in the world, if we don't actually increase whats pumped out (or, decrease it, as we have done), then prices go up by rule of economics. Think really hard about that.
- jonnyboy1544, on 02/29/2008, -10/+5***** it does nothing to the price. If we actually got our hands on more oil prices would come down by rule of economics. Increasing supply to meet demand, and the price comes down. Again, they still make their money whether its 2 or 4
- Dumbledorito, on 02/29/2008, -4/+11If we assume that Bush's motives were "pure," and that he really wanted to bring "freedom" to the middle east, then he probably DID think oil would become cheaper (as well as in the control of his good pals in the crude business, but still). His flaw was thinking that once you toppled a dictator, freedom would burst from every fire hydrant and democracy would spring up like weeds. He seems to have honestly thought that somehow democracy doesn't take work, planning, and education of the populace to actually take hold. The shooting, in other words, is the easy part, whereas Bush and company seemed to take the ending of "Return of the Jedi" as their model.
- munen123, on 02/29/2008, -4/+8wow are u stupid? 7-9 cents a gallon? jeez jonnyboymoron go take a look at the taxes filed by Exxon.
They make a lot of money. record profits for all of the oil companys, since monkeyboy commander in chief start the war in iraq.
hiring blood thirsty morons as the leader of this country was such a mistake. - MrErr, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2I think the problem is people cannot predict the future. A safe prediction in 2000 was that with Saddam Hussein out of the way and no more trade sanctions, the oil companies would have made a lot off money. Remember at that even the we were accusing the french of going soft on Saddam because of oil. But i think what they did not predict was the china and even India would gobbling be up oil all that excess oil in the market then and even more.
- shig, on 02/29/2008, -2/+1Considering that wars drain resources at a faster rate than they gain them, the fact that there is oil in Iraq was just a coincidence. To role out the no-bid contracts, thus helping the friends of neocons, and a means of putting merc forces on the ground.
- SAc0balt, on 02/29/2008, -2/+0Peak oil. The missing piece of the puzzle in this war. This is a survival effort on the part of the USA. That, or the war is something the oil companies wanted in the first place and once they have control over it all they'll leave America, a nice military tool, behind to rot.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2Peak oil is only a theory. There are other theories like the Abiotic Theory. America has vast untapped oil fields still, so does Canada and Mexico and so many other counties. There's a profit motive behind scarcity. It's like picking low hanging fruit.
- nblsavage, on 02/29/2008, -4/+20here's a little thing to ponder - why would the oil companies lower the prices when we keep buying no matter what?
- justjoehere, on 02/29/2008, -39/+11--^-- Tin Foil Hat Alert
- justjoehere, on 02/29/2008, -17/+6It is amazing how many people want to believe in conspiracy theories.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -4/+11what's amazing is how many people want to believe the worst, most brazen liars ever to walk the planet.
- 6minuteabs, on 03/01/2008, -5/+2Michael Moore is here? Hide the chicken wings!
- JanYpe, on 02/29/2008, -8/+3It's because they lack both intelligence and a purpose in their lives. Access to the internet then creates a terrible reinforcement spiral.
- justjoehere, on 03/01/2008, -2/+1No one believes them. But the truth is not as this article states. Is there any more hegemony than before? For a capitalistic society to survive it must be able to buy goods. The cost of oil is causing people to buy less. So the war is really hurting the US economy and the people. A lower GDP also means less ability to be militarily strong. The article's conclusion is not supported by reality.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -4/+11what's amazing is how many people want to believe the worst, most brazen liars ever to walk the planet.
- mcla0181, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Notice how beliefs and truths are two entirely separate issues. That is of course, unless you're delusional ***** who "believes" and there for knows "truth."
- justjoehere, on 02/29/2008, -17/+6It is amazing how many people want to believe in conspiracy theories.
- onetimer, on 02/29/2008, -59/+24TInFoil levels reaching critical mass! Must bury!
Inaccurate.- JessicaLF77, on 02/29/2008, -17/+10This made me spit out my tasty beverage. /shake fist
- inobla, on 03/01/2008, -4/+3He's got a real talent for that! :) Got me good with a comment last night.
- onetimer, on 03/01/2008, -5/+3I live to entertain.
- jonnyboy1544, on 02/29/2008, -16/+8Well done.
- Anonemousk, on 02/29/2008, -11/+16I, for one, am not surprised by your blatant ignorance.
- JanYpe, on 02/29/2008, -12/+8I, for one, think you sound like a blatantly pompous *****.
- JessicaLF77, on 02/29/2008, -17/+10This made me spit out my tasty beverage. /shake fist
- justin2328, on 02/29/2008, -32/+4Go Bush! You Rock!
- munen123, on 02/29/2008, -0/+5bush is a moron and liar
- iChopPryde, on 02/29/2008, -18/+18People are just realizing this now O_O
- oldhick, on 02/29/2008, -9/+31Interesting article. Everything in it was old news, specifically the neo-con agenda was never a secret. Those documents were published publicly for anyone to read. The only thing I found interesting were the authors claims that the events of 9/11 were known to 11 countries prior to the attack. Without any evidence, all I can gather from his story was that there was speculation something might happen. He doesn't seem to support his claim with any actual facts.
But great story and everyone should definitely read it.- henrymiller, on 02/29/2008, -3/+8Everything in it is old news because it IS old news.
- Dumbledorito, on 02/29/2008, -2/+10I hate to invoke Godwin, but "Mein Kampf" was publicly available as well. Who knows what else we haven't read that's out there in plain sight?
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -3/+10Even if ELEVEN countries were "speculating", we're still talking about ELEVEN *outside* agencies. How could the US not know what's going on right under it's nose if ELEVEN foreign governments at least heard a whisper? Not possible. Inside job.
- Bamont, on 02/29/2008, -6/+3If 10 of your neighbors walked up to your house and told you that you were going to be robbed, but didn't say when or how - what would you do? Would you believe them? Would you list them as credible? Would you stay home from work day in and day out waiting for your house to broken into? No, you wouldn't, especially if you didn't have any other information on hand. The inside job routine is predicated on thousands upon thousands of people having knowledge of 9/11, assisting in its orchestration, and then following through with it. The greatest retort to that suggestion is usually, "There were a bunch of parts working separately from each other, so nobody knew!" - They would have known afterwards, and someone would have come forward. The fact is nobody did. People like Dylan Avery and the rest of you loons on the internet will swallow anything you're fed because you want to exist on a higher plane of intelligence and reason than "the rest of us."
Also - the author doesn't present any evidence to support his claim, so your argument in this case is null and void. I'm quite amazed that you[truthers] call many of us who have actually read the findings, weighed the possibilities, and still believe this wasn't an inside job - yet you're willing to believe just about anything you read or see on the internet. I don't call that anything other than what it really is: Stupidity.- GhostyBoy, on 02/29/2008, -3/+4Fire and debris demolished building 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qK4j32iuo- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -6/+2You're stupid. Please go away.
- theright, on 02/29/2008, -8/+1@GhostyBoy
"It looked like a controlled demolition! Look, there's a video on YouTube! Who cares about all the science, the building fell down... and it looked like another building that fell down... OMFG INSIDE JOB!"
You complete idiot.- GhostyBoy, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4Yeah okay, sure thing man. Hey check this one out:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ufFT2BWh3BQ
It looks like 2 baby pandas wrestling right? That's what I thought, too. But if you ignore obvious detail and enough common sense you can clearly see that the panda on the right is actually a progressive collapse due to fire and debris. - GhostyBoy, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4Am I to understand that Occam's razor is only logical when it suits your point of view?
- GhostyBoy, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4Yeah okay, sure thing man. Hey check this one out:
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -4/+4"The inside job routine is predicated on thousands upon thousands of people having knowledge of 9/11, assisting in its orchestration, and then following through with it. The greatest retort to that suggestion is usually, "There were a bunch of parts working separately from each other, so nobody knew!"
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The fact is that 9/11 COULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT SAID IT DID. After eliminating the impossible, whatever is left--however unlikely--must be the truth.
An operation of such scale as 9/11 would require very many people to carry out but most of them need not know exactly *why* they are doing what they are told to do. Buy off who you must (Silverstein), deceive who you can (NORAD) and lie to the rest (you). NORAD was not brought in but Cheney took command and deceived them with false drills. Google Norman Minetta's testimony to the 9/11 Omission committee. Further, many who were deeply involved were so involved because they are true believers in a cause. You overlooked the rise of the 4th Reich because they put down their right arms and swastikas but the Neo Nazi movement is a core motive for 9/11.
Those who planted the bombs (and there were a LOT of bombs) had to know *why* but even if they wanted to go public and implicate themselves (like anyone would believe them), the press is united in the effort to keep the gov't lie alive. There is no whistle to blow but since you want one, Google "John O'Neil", that should be interesting.
All the agencies that were responsible to prevent, investigate or prosecute the perpetrators of 9/11 were compromised *before* hand at the highest levels. Only a few needed to be informed, the rest could be managed (threatened) in the aftermath.
- GhostyBoy, on 02/29/2008, -3/+4Fire and debris demolished building 7:
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -2/+9Plenty of people have come forward over the years. You just have been ignoring it.
- Bamont, on 02/29/2008, -6/+3If 10 of your neighbors walked up to your house and told you that you were going to be robbed, but didn't say when or how - what would you do? Would you believe them? Would you list them as credible? Would you stay home from work day in and day out waiting for your house to broken into? No, you wouldn't, especially if you didn't have any other information on hand. The inside job routine is predicated on thousands upon thousands of people having knowledge of 9/11, assisting in its orchestration, and then following through with it. The greatest retort to that suggestion is usually, "There were a bunch of parts working separately from each other, so nobody knew!" - They would have known afterwards, and someone would have come forward. The fact is nobody did. People like Dylan Avery and the rest of you loons on the internet will swallow anything you're fed because you want to exist on a higher plane of intelligence and reason than "the rest of us."
- zombo, on 03/01/2008, -1/+1"He doesn't seem to support his claim with any actual facts" ......No ***** sherlock, the author of the article is Michael f'ing Meacher serial ***** and this article was written just after he was sacked from his cushty DEFRA job.
- troycott, on 02/29/2008, -12/+3IT IS???? WHAAAAAAAAT??????
- readerz, on 02/29/2008, -20/+19Google The Zeitgeist Movie! Must see!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -12/+12Google "protocols of the elders of zion," Zeitgeist is debunked propaganda.
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4Read the protocols and realize that all the ***** in it happened as planned. Then realize it was plagiarized from at least two other incarnations of said document. One written in France the other written in Russia. It blames ***** on the Masons, then the Jesuits, then the Jews.
- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -5/+3Its a fact that the Protocols is a hoax designed to stir up antisemitism, and Zeitgeist is the most recent hoax - or maybe it was made by people who are legitimately to stupid to realize they are basing their "documentary" on fake Tsarist propaganda.
- ciaran036, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2wise up are you trying to say that the American government were justified when they trained up thousands of men and women to become professional murderers, then sent them out to countries all over the world and in the process murdered millions of innocent civilians? Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam... its the same story every time! And how does criticising Christianity spark anti-Semitism? Zeitgeist: The Movie is a genuine attempt at opening people's eyes to the truth, and that's what they've found!
- Jlaugh, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4Read the protocols and realize that all the ***** in it happened as planned. Then realize it was plagiarized from at least two other incarnations of said document. One written in France the other written in Russia. It blames ***** on the Masons, then the Jesuits, then the Jews.
- jabberwolf, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2Protocols of Zion were propaganda made by Germans and basically plagerized from "Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" by Maurice Joly being sarcastic and making fun of the ruling French in 1864. The original plotters in his satire were "Jesuits". The germans simply took and replaced "Jesuits" with "jews".
- swrostmore, on 02/29/2008, -12/+12Google "protocols of the elders of zion," Zeitgeist is debunked propaganda.
- x0rcist, on 02/29/2008, -18/+1OFN
- smek2, on 02/29/2008, -15/+4No ***** Sherlock?
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 02/29/2008, -26/+14Wow. Five year old article. This is right up Obamas alley.
BREAKING NEWS: Britney just got engaged to K-Fed. Hopefully he can keep her grounded with all of her sucess. - cli006, on 02/29/2008, -29/+9This is more sensationalized reporting and how terrible the United States is, bad news sells.
- FlagrantDrugUse, on 02/29/2008, -6/+8sensationalized? hardly.
- trackerbishop, on 02/29/2008, -3/+2How do you like working for Centcomm you neocon pos?
- cli006, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Thanks for the insults San Francisco!
- yaryarhumphump, on 02/29/2008, -21/+16Can you put that in a memo entitled ***** I already know
- jdigg06, on 02/29/2008, -25/+12whoever wrote that article is bogus.
just wait until their house is bombed and all their relatives killed in the same of terrorism. then maybe they'll wake up.- Ultomato, on 02/29/2008, -2/+8please educate yourself
- shig, on 02/29/2008, -2/+5The likely hood of that happening? 1 out of 10000000, at least.
- NighthawkBlack, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2who wrote this jdigg?? I dunno, did you READ it? "Michael Meacher MP was environment minister from May 1997 to June 2003' MP as in MEMBER OF PARLIMENT. ***** moron.
- keltin, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1BIg friggin deal! An Environmental Minister? No wonder, he has no brain cells left.
- jax1492, on 02/29/2008, -8/+56The only thing you can be certain with the American Government is that if they say its a "War on _____" usually its going to last a long time, cost the American people a lot of money and make the problem worse than when they declared their war on it.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -3/+2Well observed, now explain *why*.
- purzzzell, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2Because it's something that can never be truly defeated. And they use a poor plan of attack.
- ithejosh, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2War on Terror
War on Drugs
Two obvious examples.- worldinmyeyes, on 03/01/2008, -1/+3Don't forget the War on Education - a splendid success in continuing to dumb down the masses.
- Dsly, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2Wait a minute!!! The war on drugs didn't work????? But nobody did drugs in the 80's. Trust me, I've seen the movies, clothes, hair, music (and I could see the music, not because of drugs, but because it was so riddled with talented, clean, sober, rhythmic musicianship.) This is an outrage. How dare you try and say that Reagen didn't succeed. The war on drugs worked. People did ZERO drugs in the 80's, and then never did them again. Until that hippy, negro jazz playin, pot nearly inhaling, blowjob gettin' son of a gun Clinton came in. Then everyone started smokin' crack out of saxophones and raping their fat neighbors/interns, and hating Jesus.
and that's how it really happened- CrazedLeper, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1Dude, open a window.
- CrazedLeper, on 02/29/2008, -3/+2Well observed, now explain *why*.
- justjoehere, on 02/29/2008, -9/+12"The conclusion of all this analysis must surely be that the "global war on terrorism" has the hallmarks of a political myth propagated to pave the way for a wholly different agenda - the US goal of world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole project."
It would have been faster, cheaper, and less political discourse in the long run to invade Venezuela.
Also, is there any more hegemony than before? For a capitalistic society to survive it must be able to buy goods. The cost of oil is causing people to buy less. So the war is really hurting the US economy and the people. A lower GDP also means less ability to be militarily strong. The article's conclusion is not supported by reality.- zhavah, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Venezuela's oil is heavier (not good) and running out.
- soomprimal, on 03/01/2008, -1/+3I disagree with your statement because I think you're assuming that our leaders are interested in a capitalistic society. If you look at how the war on terror has unfolded, we see massive corporate profits tied to Bush cabinet members and PNAC signatories, regardless of the general economic condition in the nation.
The war is simply a public funding mechanism to make certain corporations and conglomerations rich, not protect the country or put forward its best interests. - keltin, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1The last thing America wants is world hegemony. I think you are confusing this statementwith China.
- republicker, on 02/29/2008, -15/+5Well in amerika we make our own history.
- nastronomical, on 02/29/2008, -26/+10Michael Meacher The Guardian, Saturday September 6 2003 Article history · Contact us Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
- freedomhater, on 02/29/2008, -21/+8Anyone with two braincells to rub together would say "Old ***** News"
- someone173406, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2Unfortunately for you, you only have one.
- daizy82683, on 02/29/2008, -11/+49The idea that questioning our government somehow denegrates the memory of those involved is ridiculous. The families of 9-11 want answers and they were given very few. The talking heads tell you the family doesn't want this but they were the ones who basically forced the administration to investigate. Why do we believe that our government is our best friend and benevolent? The same people who want lower taxes and don't trust the government with their money are some of the same people who trust the government with their civil liberties. We should honor the victims and their families by allowing them to have a voice and get answers. That's how we honor those who died. And some food for thought=
investigation into the lewinski incident=40 million dollars
investigation into 9-11= 11 million dollars - rmccs0x, on 02/29/2008, -47/+17you may not support the war on terrorism but to claim its bogus is horribly ignorant.
- mydomainoffer, on 02/29/2008, -5/+14i think they are spending Trillion on the war that can be resolved in millions and via diplomacy. Above all million of innocent people are killed.
- sjmorton, on 02/29/2008, -3/+21to claim it is not bogus is horribly naive.
- jaymzdean, on 02/29/2008, -4/+12Terrorists definitely exist. In the White House.
- keltin, on 03/02/2008, -0/+1STraight to the point and quite correct. Go ahead, bury me, and I spit in your eye!
- Inspiron08,