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The plan all along for Iraq was to f**k it up REAL good...

americangoy.blogspot.com — "Chas Freeman, former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, will say in May 2003, just after the invasion, “The neoconservatives’ intention in Iraq was never to truly build democracy there. Their intention was to flatten it, to remove Iraq as a regional threat to Israel.”" I guarantee this will blow your mind. There is MUCH more here, the birth of PNAC.

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  • americangoy, on 05/13/2008, -16/+35Have you ever wondered whether the plan for Iraq was not a democracy, but really to just f**k it up?
    Have you been looking for proof that that is the case?
    Well, here is PROOF. Yes, as in sources, that kind of proof.
    The plan from the start was to f**k up Iraq, and all the talk about democracy and other assorted bulls**t was just blowing smoke up people's collective a**.
    So, in effect, mission WAS accomplished and president Bush was RIGHT.
    Now, the plan called for Iraq to be first, and then Iran and Syria.
    We are in the Iran phase of the neocons plan.
  • GrandmaSheila, on 05/13/2008, -13/+25This has been obvious since the looting began after Shawk n' Awe....
    • MarkusGarvey, on 05/14/2008, -7/+12you mean awww and shucks....
    • flogistan, on 05/14/2008, -6/+13Yeah, when that mosque was blown up I had this feeling too. It's great to have someone confirm what you know with facts. What's really perverse about this is nobody in the mainstream media would explain this or even touch the subject. Thanks again americangoy. It sickens me that they still portray these schmucks as idealists with the best of intentions.
  • yellowcakewalk, on 05/14/2008, -15/+32The intention all along has been to "Palestine" Iraq. Obliterate its population, culture, society, institutions. Wipe it from the pages of history. This became obvious when the Imperial Occupation Forces allowed the Baghdad museums to be looted while they protected the oil ministry. It explains why they bulldozed historic sites thousands of years old to put in airstrips. Some would call it cultural genocide.
  • stew00mz, on 05/14/2008, -10/+21I agree that they could not have screw it up any more, even if they tried.
  • jim51109, on 05/14/2008, -19/+7We should just nuke them all and make Lake Iraq and Lake Iran
    • americangoy, on 05/14/2008, -8/+11You don't read my blog much do yah? :-)
      • Zecchetti, on 05/14/2008, -5/+3I wish I could read you blog but blogspot is blocked here at work!
  • 911ArtStudent, on 05/14/2008, -14/+21Two quibbles: One major; the other minor.

    1.The roots of this plan are older than is implied in this blog entry. It began in Israel with Oded Yinon's "A Strategy for Israel"

    "the main threat to our existence and that of the Western world. The war over resources in the world, the Arab monopoly on oil, and the need of the West to import most of its raw materials from the Third World, are transforming the world we know..."

    "The Arab Moslem world, therefore, is not the major strategic problem which we shall face in the Eighties, despite the fact that it carries the main threat against Israel, due to its growing military might. This world, with its ethnic minorities, its factions and internal crises, which is astonishingly self-destructive, as we can see in Lebanon, in non-Arab Iran and now also in Syria, is unable to deal successfully with its fundamental problems and does not therefore constitute a real threat against the State of Israel in the long run, but only in the short run where its immediate military power has great import. In the long run, this world will be unable to exist within its present framework in the areas around us without having to go through genuine revolutionary changes. The Moslem Arab World is built like a temporary house of cards put together by foreigners (France and Britain in the Nineteen Twenties), without the wishes and desires of the inhabitants having been taken into account. It was arbitrarily divided into 19 states, all made of combinations of minorites and ethnic groups which are hostile to one another, so that every Arab Moslem state nowadays faces ethnic social destruction from within, and in some a civil war is already raging."

    "The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently. Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track. The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan. This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today.14

    Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi'ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. It is possible that the present Iranian-Iraqi confrontation will deepen this polarization.15

    The entire Arabian peninsula is a natural candidate for dissolution..."
    http://crashrecovery.org/fischer/article0005345.ht ...

    2. The minor quibble relates to who it was that coined the term "Clash of Civilizations". I thought it was Sam Huntington.
    • americangoy, on 05/14/2008, -4/+12thanks for that post, rocket.
      • 911ArtStudent, on 05/14/2008, -4/+13Frankly I am surprised that Mearsheimer and Walt didn't cite Oded Yinon in either their book or their essay. I am almost certain that they knew that "A Clean Break" essentially recycled Yinon's strategy. The only substantive differences are that Yinon's strategy was far more explicit about aims and methods, and that "A Clean Break" dressed these ideas up as an "American" strategy. For some reason they pulled many of their best punches.
        • americangoy, on 05/14/2008, -4/+11And who the heck downmodded you?

          I agree - Walt and Mearshimer pulled many of their punches, and got vilified and smeared anyway.

          But, we as a nation owe them a gigantic thanks - they opened the dam and now, slowly dripping through, are voices daring to criticize Israel and its policies and... American unquestioning support of it all.
        • flogistan, on 05/14/2008, -3/+9Exactly. They were walking point and had to walk on eggshells to avoid any appearances of antisemitism. I have to say, they were pretty perfect in their political correctness in the book. They did it exactly as it had to be done to start serous dialog.
    • flogistan, on 05/14/2008, -3/+10Huntington did coin the term. Neocons definitely ran with it. I've often thought that they handed those ideas to a goy, Huntington, and had him publish them because they thought it would be too transparent for a bunch of Jewish Israel firsters to write it.
  • jbur816, on 05/14/2008, -12/+18Great one, americangoy.
    • americangoy, on 05/14/2008, -5/+9Really, the blog writes itself.
      I mean the truth is out there. Thanks to the internet, all the incriminating evidence is out there.

      It's not like the neocons were hiding any of this stuff - it is right there in the open.
  • PeaceAndJustice, on 05/14/2008, -11/+8This is quite possibly the largest, most embarrassing invasion after and BEFORE Vietnam - How many more months, days, HOURS before this disaster of an administration is gone? Hopefully we can repair the damage that has been done before my 4-year old son graduates from college in what, 20 years??!?!??!?!? Not likely but I'm the eternal optimist...
    • 911ArtStudent, on 05/14/2008, -9/+5As dumb as this was I would say America's entry into WWI takes the cake.
      • spongya77, on 05/14/2008, -6/+3Yeah, you're right. Why is it hard to see, it's completely besides me.
    • twinklyJesus, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Viet Nam was an invasion? If by invasion, you mean Hanoi sending communist troops to Saigon, then yes. Otherwise, the US was invited or requested to intervene by France and the Government of South Viet Nam. In which case, you're an idiot.
  • AlwaysAwake, on 05/14/2008, -12/+10This truly is an old plan. the Zionist movement was sponsored by those in Rome seeking to assemble as many Jews as possible in one place for ultimate extermination, while wiping out many Muslims, and their oil-rich nations, before their Sovereign Wealth Funds can displace Western banking cartels. So far, this masterful chess game is right on track. The planned US attack on Iran will trigger the beginning of all-out war in the region, likely to spread beyond those borders.
    • twinklyJesus, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1Wow. Lay off the caffeinated beverages and get some sleep. You're going a bit off the rails.
    • KILLnwoPLANS, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Exactly, AlwaysAwake!!

      As for Twinkletoes down there...
      Try reading your Bible for a change, instead of smearing intelligent discourse here.
      Scripture says Test all things.

      To be called a 'Berean' was (and still is) an honor!
  • roosevans, on 05/14/2008, -14/+5The possibility that such a Zionist agenda does exist within the neo-con community and ideology is very real. We can thwart their agenda by instituting real democracy in the Middle East. Good is stronger than evil. The Light always overwhelms the Darkness. Zionism is as evil as Islamic jihad movements. Democracy prevailing by Divine Design is my vision for the future in the Middle East.
    • flogistan, on 05/14/2008, -6/+4The possibility is great? Gotta laugh at that. It's a bit of an understatement isn't it? On purpose perhaps? I love the part where the "answer" is to do exactly what the neocons have disguised their plans with. Good, evil, democracy in the place where it's none of our business how they govern themselves and through the barrel of a gun. Leo? Is that you?
  • AvangionQ, on 05/14/2008, -10/+9"Islamic Fundamentalism was used to destabilize the region, and al Kaida came in particularly useful in providing the "new Pearl Harbour" which the neocons openly called for, to involve America in this grand crusade to ***** up the Middle East. But in the end, it was not Islamic religious nutjobs that were finally used as an instrument of choice for the neocons - the tool that was used to "Lebanonize" Iraq and, if the neocons have their way, to soon do the same to Iran and then Syria is the United States military - your children, America... The plan was never to make Iraq an American style democracy - the plan was to ***** it up, and ***** it up in such a way that it would turn into a civil war situation, like Lebanon in the 1980's." ... this is the sort of conspiratorial insanity that just seems to makes sense ...
  • spongya77, on 05/14/2008, -11/+12Funny, how things go. No matter how many times these crooks are exposed, nothing will happen -they will live all their natural lives unmolested, unaccounted for the horrors they unleashed on the world, just as the ones before them. You can have videos showing Bush and Cheney feasting on dead Iraqi babies, it still would not change a thing. This will not have any consequence. None, whatsoever.


    What these people learned, apparently, that you can lie all you want, your lies can be exposed, you can change the past, exactly like Orwell said you could, and get away with it. It is just incredible. Even when someone publishes the truth, nothing happens -unless someone powerful wants it happen. You can have the "freedom to speech", but it doesn't matter what you say, unless you work in the very tightly controlled media. It is truly scary. Humans are truly sheep. But then why do they need this unique brain we have? The capacity of critical thinking? Democracy only works if the people are involved in the process -otherwise it will be hijacked, like it has been in the past -and like it is happening now.
  • nomadbeatz, on 05/15/2008, -13/+7Permanent war, permanent U.S. bases in Iraq. These were and are the goals, not "free-dumb and democracy".
  • Stevanoski, on 05/16/2008, -5/+15Get out the tinfoil hats if you really believe it was the plan to foul up the Iraq war. Truly bizaare thinking.
  • americangoy, on 05/16/2008, -6/+5Tinfoil hats?
    Bizarre thinking (correct spelling btw :)

    I doubt that you have read the article, followed up by clicking on the sources, or read my blog.

    I think you are here to smear and lie.

    Normally I pull my punches but what you are doing, Stevanoski, is obvious - you lie and smear anything that you disagree with.

    Your ideology is hostile to America and, believe it or not, harmful to the country you really support, Israel.

    Have a nice day.
    • Stevanoski, on 05/16/2008, -2/+4You must have a hat that blocks all transmission, steel? lead? Thank you for the help with spelling. I was thinking of those places where they sell cheap merchandize as it seemed to go with your weirdly, alien thinking. Will agree things should have been done differently, even better, but if you think any leader of the US would have intentionally evolved a cluster **** then you are definately a part of the tinfoil hat brigae.

      No one could be more harmful to the country of Israel as your ilk who have as their heroes the Hezbo's and their ilk who at least openly pronounce the destruction of every woman and child in Israel. And my "harmful to the country you really support..." is worse than the Hezbo's how?
      • americangoy, on 05/16/2008, -4/+3merchandize ... merchandise.
        Is English your first language?

        "Will agree things should have been done differently, even better, but if you think any leader of the US would have intentionally evolved a cluster **** then you are definately a part of the tinfoil hat brigae."
        Well, that is EXACTLY what I argue on my blog.

        And I have hundreds of sources to back me up.
        Mainstream media, mostly articles of major newspapers off the internet.

        Tinfoil?
        Hezbo's?
        Sigh...
        • Stevanoski, on 05/16/2008, -2/+3lol, funny comeback. Texan my first language, well, alot of spanglish. Tend to spell as I talk, it IS terrible.
  • Qong, on 05/16/2008, -1/+5Interesting conspiracy theory.

    I'm not interesting in debating it: I will say that, now that we are indeed in Iraq, no matter what you believe the reason for us going to war with them in the first place was, it is in the best interest of all involved to stay in Iraq until the country is settled and stable.

    There are tens of millions of completely innocent Iraqi people that are suffering now, and will suffer much worse if we withdraw our troops from their country and allow Iraq's neighbors to do with the country and its people as they wish. That is not going to be good for America, the American people, Iraq, the Iraqi people, or any sane people living in the middle east.
  • americangoy, on 05/16/2008, -1/+2"it is in the best interest of all involved to stay in Iraq until the country is settled and stable."
    this is your opinion, with which i respectfully disagree.

    "if we withdraw our troops from their country and allow Iraq's neighbors to do with the country and its people as they wish."
    there is no guarantee that that will happen.

    "There are tens of millions of completely innocent Iraqi people that are suffering now"
    You got that right - and this is BECAUSE there are American troops there,

    You do the math...
  • twinklyJesus, on 05/17/2008, -2/+1So, out "plan" all along was:
    1. Force Saddam to invade Kuwait in 1991, and threaten Israel and the West.
    2. Convince the UN (who hate the US) to support a war to remove Iraq.
    3. Force Saddam to surrender to terms agreed upon by Iraq, the UN and the Allied armies involved.
    4. Convince Saddam to violate the terms of the surrender innumerable times, including firing on aircraft patrolling to enforce the terms of the surrender.
    5. After more than 10 years of frequent treaty violations and public threats from Saddam, the US and other allied troops go in to enforce the original surrender treaty and remove Saddam from power.

    So you're saying that Saddam Hussein was complicit in his own downfall in order to bring the conspiracy to fruition? Um....you need to re-think this or possibly change your medication!
    • americangoy, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2Sigh.

      Almost none of the points you bring up are actually, you know, true..

      1) nothing to to with nothing
      2) the UN NEVER supported American invasion of Iraq
      3) and this is relevant how?
      4) again, huh?

      you are missing the whole point of this article, on purpose I would bet.

      i bet you did not even ready it...

      sigh...
      • twinklyJesus, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1The first Gulf War WAS supported by the UN and most other Arab countries...You are stupid. The US entered at the behest of the UN, read some history, jackass.
        Saddam didn't invade Kuwait?
        Saddam didn't surrender?
        He didn't agree to UN terms for monitoring?
        He didn't refuse to allow UN inspectors access?
        He didn't violate UNSCR 688? According to the UN, he did.
        UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991 condems his violation of UNSCR 687. The UN lied?
        UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996

        * "Deplores" Iraq's refusal to allow access to UN inspectors and Iraq's "clear violations" of previous UN resolutions.

        * Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

        etc., etc... He continually violated the terms of surrender from the first Gulf War. It is documented fact, not documented solely by the US, but by the members of the UN, who are NOT friendly to the US, nor are they the US' puppet. Quite the contrary, the US tends to be their puppet.

        This action in Iraq is a result of Saddam Hussein continually violating the terms of surrender HE signed. If it were about oil, gasoline would cost about $`1.50 per gal. here right now.

        I suggest that my facts are true, yours are *****, spun to try to make a historic situation something other than it really is, for your own political agenda. I merely stated facts from NY Times articles. (NY Times doesn't and never has been a support or mouthpiece for Bush or Republicans) so you can drop that nonesense before you even type it...

        Everything I said in my first post was true, you may not like it, but that doesn't change. Everything I said here is true as well.
  • KILLnwoPLANS, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Perle is a registered agent for Israel - one of several.

    You guys need to FORGET Obama, and stop thinking he gives a rat's ass about us ....
    Instead everybody and their grandma needs to really get behind Dr Ron Paul
    (I'm not a repugnican), and write him in if you have to!

    Obama, as McCain and HilLIARy are - are all CFR members! THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!

    Obama has chosen none other than Zbigniew Brzezinski for his foreign policy advisor - Sec'y of State!!!

    Here are the FEW exceptions:
    Dr Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Cynthia McKinney, Stan Jones of Montana and Clint(on) Eugene Curtis!
  • moulin1, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1While everyone is looking for the secret conspiracy they are clutching at straws. Because it was a conspiracy but it was never secret. The plan for F'ing up Iraq was publicly available on the New American Century website from the early 90's till roughly about the time the American public turned against the neocons. Saved from 2001, http://web.archive.org/web/20011017061346/http://w ... I think it is still missing some of the older papers that defined Iraq as the cornerstone to military conquest of the middle east.
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