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- puto, on 11/27/2007, -4/+28"French people should contact their representatives"
NO WAY just go outside and burn a few hundred cars and this nightmare will go away!!!! - XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 11/27/2007, -1/+25but I am le tired
- luchid, on 11/27/2007, -1/+22French people should contact their representatives and let them hear their discontent with this legislation. It's unenforceable, overbearing, passed due to lobbying, costly to the taxpayers and a waste of government and ISP resources. You can write to the following :
· President of the Assemblée Nationale : president@assemblee-nationale.fr
Speak your mind. Change this. - shanesemler, on 11/27/2007, -1/+21Heavy handed government interference. Insane is the right word.
- badassninja, on 11/27/2007, -2/+16This means the french will find ways to 100% hide all your doing from your ISP's and the MPAA/RIAA and so on. Good pass that stuff over here.
- mnstot, on 11/27/2007, -1/+11How long do you think it will be until a guy creates a program that sends the wrong info to the ISPs?
- sarge96, on 11/27/2007, -0/+8Actually, as much as I ***** hate RIAA and the copyright *****, this could actually work. I know I'd be more hesitant to limewire files if I could lose my Internet. Bringing up an interesting question: Is Internet access a right, or a privilege? Does taking away Internet amount to a freedom of speech infringement?
- duggtodeath, on 11/27/2007, -5/+11Sacre Bleu!
- sarge96, on 11/27/2007, -1/+7I think stealing is wrong, but I object to the recording industry's extremely heavy handed crushing of privacy laws and bullying people into settlements. I torrent as a protest. Also, the recording companies supposedly want to protect copyright laws, but they've learned lawsuits turn a tidy profit, and have turned it into a business. And when copyright laws have degenerated into a way for companies to make money, something has gone wrong.
- xman2000, on 11/27/2007, -1/+7Taking away the internet connection of people caught violating the rules almost sounds tame compared to the current push to CRIMINALIZE individual copyright violators here in the US. ( http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071121-riaa ... Neither is right. This is just another example of large corporations shaping public policy in a way which runs contrary to the will of the people.
- luskin, on 11/27/2007, -2/+7Raise your hands if you got the reference of "L'État, c'est IFPI". Be honest.
- BlackJackJester, on 11/27/2007, -0/+5I would say its neither a right or a privilege. The internet is a commodity, in a sense - the same way a newspaper, or UPS is. Its great for the exchanging of ideas, business, and globalization. Doing this would cost the ISP's a ton, making them practically government run. In order to do the deep packet sniffing, and keep bandwidth similar, would require super upgrades to hardware, raising prices for everyone. Once again, this is another case of the few ruining it for the many, especially since there is still no real number on how much p2p is hurting the industry.
- bdbr, on 11/27/2007, -0/+4Computers send and receive data by breaking them up into small packets, which are sent over the network. DPI just means that they look inside the packets, searching for recognizable strings like the name of albums or TV shows. This is different from a firewall which may only look at the header of the packets (the header has very basic info needed for applications to talk to each other).
Of course, encryption makes those strings no longer unrecognizable - you can see where that's headed. - HueytheFreeman, on 11/27/2007, -0/+4"L'état c'est moi" does not mean "the state is mine", it means "I am the state".
- colto, on 11/27/2007, -1/+4Well have a nap....THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES!
- greekgoat91, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3yup, just learned about Louis XIV in history class
- enri, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3They're acting like button-makers:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070110/004225.s ...
Technically, it is copyright infringement... and I agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right. - zorpscorp, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3with AT&T, MPAA/RIAA and the US government, I could see this happening here in America... but France?
- inactive, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3Good question...
Wish there were some constitutional law attorney's here... or at least one I knew that I could ask... if someone knows one, please update. - missingnoh4x, on 11/27/2007, -1/+3It's something french, right? Did I get it?
- staplez, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2IFPI is the state. So when is the revolution and the head cutting?
- bdbr, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2I don't see how this is unenforceable. The technology all exists, and the ISPs have the information to enforce it. Its just expensive, and all the cost will be passed on to customers.
It'll be interesting to see how (or if) they deal with encrypting bittorrent, though. - Goldkill, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2"Eez zees a feel you er shaireeng?" - Inspector Clouseau
"A 'feel'?" - me
"Yes, a feel" - Inspector Clouseau
"Oh, you mean a 'file'!" - me
"Yes, zees is what I hev been saying you stupid men" - Inspector Clouseau - d686, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2i just moved to france... great. there goes my source of undubbed TV from home. anyone care to enlighten me as to what "deep packet inspection" is? my ISP already blocks torrents, so does DPI magically work against newsgroups and other sources?
- inactive, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2It will not work.
- EmSixTeen, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1You said your ISP blocks torrents.. I know you've said you get your undubbed programs from home and the likes so you may have sorted it, but turn encryption on in uTorrent (or whichever program you use).. Torrents should be fine then :)
- PresidentGas, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1Oui, et la police de internet(?) est va baise il en haut simmilaire a nous americains. Excuse mon francais, je ne fais pas conjuger bonne.
- AKASchwanksta, on 11/27/2007, -2/+3The famous absolutist French monarch Louis XIV coined "l'etat c'est moi", which means, The state is mine
I guess this means the state is IFPI's - ingxia, on 01/29/2008, -0/+1They say it's a war on piracy. Sounds like a long dirty war. I say be patient and it'll go away, look at history. You got the pirates of the carribean and then suddenly they're gone! Are there any real seafaring pirates in 2008? No!
- cmdrNacho, on 11/27/2007, -2/+3i don't think Digg ever loved the french
- missingnoh4x, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1I was hoping this would be about the International Federation of Pirates Interests.
- d686, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1yeah thanks for the response... i have been wondering if they'll have a list of sites that they monitor, etc. i.e. if i go to releaselog will that trigger something, or can they actually monitor what files i'm downloading from newsgroups, etc. ahwell we'll see what happens.
- d686, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1unfortunately encryption in uTorrent doesn't sort it out... i've tried everything in azureus, utorrent, etc, and it's throttled at all times except after midnight. the ISP is listed under the azureus wiki as the worst of the worst. the i get TV shows, etc, for the moment is newsgroups and RS.com sites which for the moment are not throttled.
- PresidentGas, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1VIVE LE REVOLUTION!
C'est barbant. Parle vous francais? - Ryosen, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1The entertainment industry would never be able to hold this much political influence if people did not insist on perpetuating their obsession with stardom and celebrity.
- Oasisguy, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1Thanks for clarifying this.
- EmSixTeen, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1It'd be different if it were actually theft, or if the entire enteratainment industry didn't have the completely wrong business model for this day and age.
- RSS14, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1We'll have un nap, THEN TERMINATE LA INTERNET CONNEXION !!!
- spyd3rweb, on 11/27/2007, -3/+3Grab your pitchforks and head to the Bastille!
- Shawnshank, on 11/27/2007, -0/+0Seriously. There's this old crazy guy who lives in the alley behind my house. He likes to bang trash can lids together and drunkenly howl sea shanties. That guy ROCKS.
- Oasisguy, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1"especially since there is still no real number on how much p2p is hurting the industry."
That's a good point; just because I illegally download something off torrent does not mean I would have bought it had there been no other ways to get it. - Shawnshank, on 11/27/2007, -0/+0Guys, I have an idea on how they can make money. How about they make music free, but have a sponsor--say McDonalds--pay to have the band mention them positively one time in the song? Just like on TV, when Seinfeld eats Corn Pops while he talks to George.
- Shawnshank, on 11/27/2007, -1/+0The thing about stealing is that by definition, it hurts the person the item is taken from. A merchant buys a products from a manufacturer to sell in his store. If that gets stolen, he's out the price of the product. However, a record company puts out an album. Somebody who thinks they might like the music or doesn't like it enough to buy it, but is bored and wants some background noise, downloads the album. This person would not have purchased the music anyway, so nobody is hurt by it. I download music. Before P2P, I didn't bother with new music at all. I never cared enough to buy it. I only listen because it's free.
- Shawnshank, on 11/27/2007, -2/+0Hehehe Limewire.
- inactive, on 11/27/2007, -4/+2Oh I agree with you there.. the RIAA is acting like a spoiled 12 yr old having a tantrum.
But it doesn't take away from the fact that it is still stealing... it may sound hypocritical of me to say both sides on this, but to say otherwise by me would be just..stupid.
And no, I don't have an answer to fix "this problem" lol. - Khast, on 11/27/2007, -3/+0Mark Cuban is also trying to make it illegal in the US to download Linux. So it isn't necessarily an attack on piracy, but P2P as a whole.
- inactive, on 11/27/2007, -8/+3Ahh how the Digg turns..
first they love the french because of their "Anti-War" stance, now they think the French are idiots because *gasp* they think stealing is WRONG. The very nerve!
Digg REALLY needs an IQ test to join; you children are really just insane if you think stealing is OK. - Khast, on 11/27/2007, -5/+0Yeah, and how long do you think it will be, before this kind of policy goes world wide? Yeah, it sounds insane, and it eats a lot of resources. First comes France, if it is successful, do you think it won't come to the US? All it will take is an ultra conservative judge, and a fancy song and dance about how P2P has ruined so many lives.
- RogaDanar, on 11/27/2007, -12/+4Uh huh huh (please do this in your best French accent)
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