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- weirdralph, on 11/04/2009, -1/+30Michael Collins could probably sympathize.
(Okay, I'll go ahead and tell you --- he's the third guy from the moon landing who nobody ever remembers.) - TouchingWood, on 11/04/2009, -0/+25Um, I thought Tenzig was pretty famous in his own right.
- limabone, on 11/04/2009, -0/+22Michael Collins did the equivalent of keep the car running/warm while Neil and Buzz went into a bar and picked up hot chicks.
- UnterDenLinden, on 11/04/2009, -0/+16Perhaps its cause he did not land on the moon. He stayed the command module and orbited. While Neil and Buzz walked.
- charlietuna, on 11/04/2009, -0/+13Yes, I believe Sir Edmund went to great lengths to give credit to Tenzing.
- hsadear, on 11/05/2009, -1/+12The first person to put 'two feet' on Mt. Everest was actually Andrew Waugh. He measured the height of the mountain to be exactly 29,000 ft using triangulation ( a surveying method). He figured that no one would believe him so he added two feet to make it look like he was deadly accurate.
Boom! Lawyer'd - seltaeb4, on 11/05/2009, -0/+7I always had the idea they worked as a team... i knew his name on an equal level with Hillary.
Of course, Sir Edmund got the bragging rights... - Angostura, on 11/05/2009, -0/+6Uh yeh, I'm a Brit and Tenzing was always as famous as Hillary, so I think "global anonymity" in the article is a bit rich.
- anakast, on 11/05/2009, -0/+5As a New Zealander, my completely unbiased opinion says that Edmund Hillary got there first. Richard Pearse also beat the Wright Brothers.
- chieflbm, on 11/04/2009, -1/+6History is fully of these guys :
The 3 tenors :
Plácido Domingo, Pavarotti, and that other guy (José Carreras) - theDashRendar, on 11/04/2009, -0/+5I never forget Michael Collins...
Now Alfred Worden, there's a forgettable astronaut. - TallestSkil, on 11/04/2009, -0/+4Michael Collins, the leader of the Republic of Ireland's army.
- seltaeb4, on 11/05/2009, -0/+4Who actually sings with the most expressiveness...
- PlatnumPlatypus, on 11/05/2009, -0/+4Trivia: Hillary is/was a kiwi, although he was part of the ninth British expedition and was led by a Brit.
-That wasn't Tenzing's first attempt: "A Swiss expedition (in which Tenzing took part) had attempted to reach the summit in 1952 but was turned back by bad weather 800 feet (240 m) from the summit." That's two and a half football fields away.
-I was in New Zealand last year, the year of Hillary's death. There was much commotion over a man whom I knew nothing about. Kiwi's described Hillary as a humble and down-to-earth kind of guy and that he never bragged about his accomplishments. He even has his mug on the 5 note bill. And although it's understandable for a country to have pride in one of it's "favorite sons," Hillary is almost always addressed with Tenzing whenever I've heard about him. In no way is Tenzing obscure. - druidgeek, on 11/05/2009, -0/+4They had the grandsons of the two men on NPR. And I believe Hillary's grandson admitted that his grandfather told him the sherpa was first.
- chassach, on 11/05/2009, -0/+4Where I come from (UK), "Hillary and Tenzing" is what everybody remembers. Hillary is certainly not remembered on his own.
- jahart14, on 11/04/2009, -3/+6Tenzig deserves all the credit in the world. But, would he have ever had a summit of Everest without a stupid white guy showing up with the need to do something "extreme"?
- chassach, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3While Tenzing said Hillary put his foot on the summit first. "If it is a shame to be the second man on Mount Everest, then I will have to live with this shame," he said. The point was, though, that they reached it as a team and they both consistently maintained this throughout their lives
- PabloMac, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3Try watering down that Kool-Aid® a bit.
- charlietuna, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2It seems unanimous, the author of this Global Post piece was playing fast and loose with the facts and may even have assumed that everyone was as ignorant as he most likely was.
- Groovydoo, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2Props to both! It was an amazing accomplishment. Greater than doing an Ironman tri or being in the Olympics.
However, today, Everest has become a vanity walk up a mountain with a trail so define that it has ladders, ropes, and oxygen all there for your convenience as you are guided to the top by over paid mercenaries. ($80,000 per person.) The trek has become so vain that some even walked past a dying man named David Sharp rather than rescue him. "... Sir Edmund said that it was clear that the priority of the climbers who passed by Mr Sharp was to get to the top. “David Sharp’s welfare was secondary ..."
Everest has lost it's magic. - Denex, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2Michael who?
- HastyBoom, on 11/05/2009, -1/+3A story of the story of Everest!
- HastyBoom, on 11/05/2009, -1/+3It's a Mr. Show reference FYI, and an awesome one at that.
Oh and, nice racist screen name. - charlietuna, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2@chassach
It's not for lack of effort on this side of the pond. See the NY Times obituary (Published: January 10, 2008).
http://tinyurl.com/sir-edmund-obit
'' Sir Edmund Hillary, the lanky New Zealand mountaineer and explorer who with Tenzing Norgay, his Sherpa guide, won worldwide acclaim in 1953 by becoming the first to scale the 29,035-foot summit of Mount Everest, the world’s tallest peak, has died, New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark announced Friday in Wellington.'' - ajkrik, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2Moon chicks.
- Disgod, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2Anybody else only know the name Tenzing Norgay because of the Coen Brothers film "Intolerable Cruelty". Others might disagree, but I love that movie. George Clooney is hilarious.
- michellep88, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huj4jRg80Uo
- narky1, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1Hillary was friends with my mother (In before, "She was the first mountain he conquered")
I only had a chance to speak with him once, I sure wish I'd know about this, I would have asked him ..
Oh well ...
"my completely unbiased opinion says that Edmund Hillary got there first", simply because otherwise that letter he wrote me for my 21st birthday becomes less valuable. - Shadoblak, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1I learned that from a manga. Go 20th Century Boys and the US public school system!
- teamtom, on 11/05/2009, -4/+5No, you idiot. Not the Tenzing Norgay. Her Tenzing Norgay.
How do you spot a Norgay?
You start with the people with the funny names. - Subcide, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1Or Q.I.'d, depending on how honest you're being about your sources :)
- snafflepaffle, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1In several interviews that I saw with Sir Edmund Hillary he refused to say who had reached the top first. He always maintained that the two reached the summit together as a team and refused to claim anything for himself without mentioning his very good friend. A class act to the end. I believe this sentiment and practice was also held by Tenzing.
- chassach, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1Actually, Tenzing is one of the most famous mountaineers of all time and was listed by Time Magazine as one of 100 most influential people of the 20th century. The article would have had a point if it had talked about other sherpas but Tenzing is the clear exception. Perhaps that is why the author refers to him as Norgay throughout: calling him Tenzing would have contradicted the supposed point because it is so familiar. Certainly this is the situation in the UK, where I come from. If it is the case that Hillary is far more prominent in the US then it may have been a local peculiarity (perhaps racism in the US at the time skewed the coverage).
- inactive, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1Why do you think I'm not white? LOLRACIST
- HastyBoom, on 11/05/2009, -1/+2Shut up you ruined my comment with your ignorance you big scary non-white person.
- ChloeMS, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1When it comes to geography, no one "discovered" a damn thing if there were people already living there! As for places that were vacant of people, it usually was the guide who got there first
- ryanspeck, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1I was waiting for that.
- allisonV12, on 11/05/2009, -0/+0Racism or 1950's unfamiliarity of that area of the world.
But does it matter at all now, the Heroes of today turn into cretins after some investigation.
If Everest was conquered today it would be by a steroid abusing,egoistical triathlon junkie.
Probably the Sherpas today are really tired of seeing these global conquering studs.
Feeling like mountain whores to the spoiled westerners that now crowd the trails.
Lugging the endless ***** up the mountain so the can have a Latte and twitter at some Hilton base-camp.
Maybe the article should have read
"Where have all the Heroes gone". - inactive, on 11/05/2009, -1/+1Lol, racist? You have no idea what this handle means, so GTFO with *your* racism.
- akchrs, on 11/05/2009, -2/+1I like turkey.
- inactive, on 11/05/2009, -3/+1Hastyboom, why bother making such a ***** comment?
- allisonV12, on 11/04/2009, -11/+9"The contrast between Norgay's local fame and global anonymity reflects an unconscious racism that has endured in the annals of adventure and exploration"
I just knew that would be inserted into this self righteous article.
Actually Norgay had a whole lifetime to get acclimatized to the Himalayas.
Hillary was using 1950s equipment and following in the foot steps of a dozen other death treks of Englishmen with even more primitive low tech equipment and lack everything that is now taken for granted.
So please,it was Norgay and Hillary or Hillary and Norgay...dont bring your liberal angst and self doubt onto the rocky ledges of Everest.
Those two didn't bitch and whine - Duncan3, on 11/04/2009, -7/+2British and long ago so as horrible as it was, he wasn't white so didn't count. Nobody even remembers that there were people in north and south America before the Euros showed up, even tho we celebrate their genocide with turkey dinner every year.
Glad we've advanced past all that... oh wait... *sigh*
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