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The Holocaust Mashup
israeligirl.typepad.com — How can one understand the true horror of the Holocaust? 6,000,000 murders is a number nobody can really grasp. 600,000 or 6,000 or 600 or even 60 are just numbers. Here is an attempt to use mashup technologies to gain some understanding of the true meaning of the Holocaust.
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- Iconoclast25, on 03/24/2008, -0/+30I don't know if anything truly can put the horror, the enormity, of that event in perspective, but you certainly have put a human face on it. I am moved to think of the far higher numbers butchered by the Soviets and Mao. If there is a Hell, then surely the very lowest level includes Stalin, Hitler and Mao.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -10/+3I'm impressed you would admit that, Ziontologist shill account.
Your next step is to say the following with me:
"Jewish Holocaust of 1945. Palestinian Holocaust of 1948. Both terrible, both tragic."- Iconoclast25, on 03/25/2008, -0/+9Still defending your patent on being a pathetic loser, I see.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -10/+3I'm impressed you would admit that, Ziontologist shill account.
- victorypup, on 03/24/2008, -10/+16Using the perspective demanded by such acknowledgment. Try to compute the fact that America has murdered 50,000,000 innocent children trying to be born. A holocaust is a holocaust is a.......
- KJeffV, on 03/24/2008, -8/+11Exactly my thoughts!
- atdigg, on 03/25/2008, -6/+5Imagine that I just killed couple of millions of sperm cells, oh the horror!
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -8/+1Every sprem is sacred...
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -8/+1I kill a kitten every 2-3 hours...
- urik88, on 03/25/2008, -2/+5With that way of thinking, every time you masturbate you're committing genocide.
- hansk, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1on that term, i murdered about 700 million potential people this week alone
- hansk, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1on that term, i murdered about 700 million potential people this week alone
- foopirata, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3@urik88: dunno about that, but sure there's a crowd around Digg that masturbates every time they think about a genocide.
- hansk, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1guilty
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- hansk, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1guilty
- Bhima, on 03/24/2008, -21/+4Seeing the same thing gain an understanding of just how many Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis during their occupation of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
- sbernie, on 03/24/2008, -4/+18How many innocent women and children do the cowards called humans hide behind, causing their premature deaths? Prior to 1967 in the six day war, Jordan controlled the so-called West Bank and Egypt controlled Gaza, how many innocents were killed by terrorist during their occupation? I forgot, Israel is the only nation capable of occupying land that was used by foreign armies to try to eliminate Israel. I believe the Arabic transliteration is al nakba (the catastrophe) is what the Arab nations refer to the founding of the Nation of Israel. However, history means nothing to Arabs.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -11/+1Anti-Arab racism noted and reported to the police as a hate crime.
REPORTED.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -11/+1Anti-Arab racism noted and reported to the police as a hate crime.
- vault, on 03/24/2008, -3/+11Actually, the Palestinian population has grown by ~30% over the past decade. http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL0 ...
Tell me again how that's the 'same thing' as genocide?- atdigg, on 03/25/2008, -10/+3So killing thousands of civilians can be justified by "who cares, they can make more..." You and the people who dugg you disgust me.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -10/+2They have no ethics or morals, they think with a feral type of team mentality. You would be amazed at what they would say, like listening to Howard Stern for the first time, until you're not amazed by anything they say anymore.
The one thing to remember about this group is that nothing they say is just what it seems, there's deceit and calculation behind it. A lot of them are paid, we believe, probably part of AIPAC or some PR agency hired by them. It's not far fetched, for instance Sprite paid a few rooms of young adults to go online into chat rooms and talk up Sprite to black people. It worked, Sprite became the beverage of choice to young black people. The same it is with this group -- they're selling the extreme nationalist side of Zionism, to us! - vault, on 03/25/2008, -1/+5@atdigg I didn't say that. I'm disputing that it's genocide (see my argument in the post below), not that people have been killed.
@neo et al.
Look at neo's shout history http://digg.com/users/neocognitism/history/shouts
Now look at mine http://digg.com/users/vault/history/shouts
Which one of us has an agenda here, and which one of us couldn't care less which stories make it to the front page? You have a real exaggerated sense of self-importance neo if you think you're important enough for anyone to be paid to argue with you. Israel is one of my interests, I've never even been to the country...yet it seems to be your favorite country to single out and not apply the same criticism to other nations in conflict.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -10/+2They have no ethics or morals, they think with a feral type of team mentality. You would be amazed at what they would say, like listening to Howard Stern for the first time, until you're not amazed by anything they say anymore.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -9/+2Oh why vault, I'd be glad to!
You see, genocide, or ethnic cleansing, isn't *just* mass murder. It's also a wide variety of conditions and atrocities that you can put a population under. For instance, Apartheid Gaza!
I direct your attention to the 1948 Convention on ... Genocide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Pre ...
I will let you deny the contents on your own, I've no intention of getting you to admit anything, in any of your shill accounts.- vault, on 03/25/2008, -1/+7Thanks for directing my attention to a link that doesn't work, neo. But going by the UN definition http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3853157.stm there is still no genocide going on against the Palestinians, and you know it. If the population grew by 30%, they aren't doing anything to prevent the Palestinians from reproducing, and despite Israel's superior weaponry, they aren't doing a very good job at systematically destroying them.
And as far as apartheid goes, there's an Arab member on Israel's Supreme Court, Muslims have served in the Knesset (Israel's parliament), and Muslims have served in the IDF. Muslim women can vote in Israel, which is a freedom they don't have in the Arab world. How is that apartheid, just because a peanut farmer from Georgia says so? Or just because there's a wall? We're building a wall to keep illegal immigrants out, is the US an apartheid state? And did you know that Egypt also has a wall blocking the Palestinians from entering Egypt? How come you're not criticizing them? Why do you spend the whole day singling out Israel?
No one would say Israel is above criticism, or that it can do no wrong. Something has to change in Israeli-Palestinian relations to bring about peace...that much is obvious to everyone. But that doesn't mean genocide, apartheid, or any other of your favorite smears are really happening no matter how many times you repeat them. If a two-state solution actually works, I would be fine with that if it would really bring peace. But speaking of peace, 84% of Palestinians support the recent attack on a religious school which killed civilian (mostly TEEN) religious students. Even you have admitted that the majority of the Israeli population wants peace and that it's only a 'Ziontologist Likudnik minority' who doesn't, so who is the wrong here? And as far as peace talks go, 75% of Palestinians don't want them! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/world/middleeast ... The same people elected Hamas, a known terrorist organization not just to the US but also the EU and Japan, who openly admits to suicide bombing and attacks on civilians, to represent them.
To make matters worse, who is Israel supposed to negotiate with? Hamas, who I have explained and whose charter is sworn to Israel's destruction and whose end goal is not a two-state solution but the replacement of Israel with a Sharia state? Or Mahmoud Abbas who is constantly at odds with terrorist groups like Islamic Jihad and can't stop anything? Hezbollah, as if somehow the Shiites are able to negotiate on behalf of the Sunnis, which would likely ***** off all 3 groups involved here?
- vault, on 03/25/2008, -1/+7Thanks for directing my attention to a link that doesn't work, neo. But going by the UN definition http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3853157.stm there is still no genocide going on against the Palestinians, and you know it. If the population grew by 30%, they aren't doing anything to prevent the Palestinians from reproducing, and despite Israel's superior weaponry, they aren't doing a very good job at systematically destroying them.
- atdigg, on 03/25/2008, -10/+3So killing thousands of civilians can be justified by "who cares, they can make more..." You and the people who dugg you disgust me.
- WaxenPith, on 03/25/2008, -9/+1Israel is resting on STOLEN land.
- urik88, on 03/25/2008, -0/+8No. Israel is resting on GIVEN, EARNED, and LEGALLY APPROVED BY THE UN land.
- foopirata, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Plus we're not resting, we're working very hard at making it better.
- sbernie, on 03/24/2008, -4/+18How many innocent women and children do the cowards called humans hide behind, causing their premature deaths? Prior to 1967 in the six day war, Jordan controlled the so-called West Bank and Egypt controlled Gaza, how many innocents were killed by terrorist during their occupation? I forgot, Israel is the only nation capable of occupying land that was used by foreign armies to try to eliminate Israel. I believe the Arabic transliteration is al nakba (the catastrophe) is what the Arab nations refer to the founding of the Nation of Israel. However, history means nothing to Arabs.
- sbernie, on 03/24/2008, -1/+15Yad Vashem in Jerusalem does an excellent job of presenting the horrors of the holocaust. If you ever get the opportunity to go to Israel, please visit Yad Vashem. Never again should be the cry on everyones lips who have any sense of morality.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -10/+2You need to modify it for a few of the chickenhawk Likudniks here to:
"Never again to anyone!" - hadees, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2I really liked Yad Vashem although I think the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. did some things better. Such as at one point in the tour you walk through an actual cattle car used to transport Jews and they had a whole display on the sickening medical experiments the Nazis did.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -10/+2You need to modify it for a few of the chickenhawk Likudniks here to:
- yellowcakewalk, on 03/25/2008, -13/+6You would think that people who had experience such horror would be reluctant to visit the same horrors on other human beings. Alas, such is not the case. Grieves the world for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
- hadees, on 03/25/2008, -2/+12I must have missed the part where Jews were setting up gas chambers and ovens.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -11/+2They don't need the ovens, they have much more sophisticated slower methods these days. If they needed them I'm sure Caterpillar or some other company would make them to order for you.
- hadees, on 03/25/2008, -2/+11Well if it is Jews intention of exterminating the Palestinians akin the mass extermination of a people that the Nazis tried to do then they are doing a ***** poor job. Palestinian life expectancy is 72.3 years. A Jewish slave laborer once they entered the camp was roughly 9 months. That is if they weren't put to death as soon as they got there. So there seems to be a bit of discrepancy in your analogy.
http://www.moh.gov.ps/index.asp?deptid=0&pranchid= ...
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3933/is_20 ...- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -10/+3Ah yes, the "but they're increasing in number" canard.
He wasn't talking about the "final solution" part of what was done to the Jews, you just deceitfully responded like he did so you could devalue his post with the dysphemism of the ovens. But you already knew that.
But if you want to jump into the whole "Gazans are fine because their numbers are rising" canard, that's fine.
I'll wait for you respond to the above part first though. - hadees, on 03/25/2008, -2/+11I didn't say anything about them increasing in numbers. I was just showing the huge discrepancy in life expectancy between the Holocaust and what is going on with the Palestinians. If you are trying to prove what Jews are doing now is the same as the Nazis then you offer proof.
I see yet again I bring facts and you have nothing but deflection. - neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -9/+3facts for what? did you not read what I just posted? What are you thinking you're explaining to me?
- hadees, on 03/25/2008, -2/+9"facts for what?"
Generally when you try to compare two things, such in this the Holocaust and what happened to the Palestinians, you have to offer specific ways they are similar or dissimilar. I put for the fact that the life expectancy for someone living through each event were vastly different. You put for the fact... well you told me something about my plan must be to devalue the post by wanting specific similarities and you accused me of saying something about Palestinian birth rates. - neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -9/+2Wait a minute, let me get this straight.
You're trying to ***** tell me that because the people of Gaza in their concentration camp aren't dying as fast as the Jews did in their concentration camps, that they are incomparable? So... is that how you can say to yourself that it's the Gazan's fault for being in a concentration camp, but the Jews were purely victims?
Okay, let's hear more, I want to hear you rationalize and justify it some more. I'm all ears. Seriously.
I would punch you if I could, to ring your bell and wake your ass up to what you're saying. - foopirata, on 03/25/2008, -1/+10"You're trying to ***** tell me that because the people of Gaza in their concentration camp aren't dying as fast as the Jews did in their concentration camps, that they are incomparable? So... is that how you can say to yourself that it's the Gazan's fault for being in a concentration camp, but the Jews were purely victims?"
1. I believe what he, and any person with some knowledge, would be trying to say is that while both situations are equally bad, there is no organized attempt to systematically wipe out the Palestinians, as there was with Jews, homossexuals, gypsies and other victims of the Holocaust. Otherwise, please do show us the mass graves and trains.
2. You attack him for what you say would be a wrong use of the "ratio of speed of death" between Holocaust victims and Palestinians. Yet, you do exactly the same thing in a number of occasions, claiming that since more Palestinians died in the intifadas than Israelis, there must be some implication on who's who in the conflict. Can you see the problem here?
3. If Israel has all the weapons, the terrible "oppressing" army, the incredibly shrewd PR machine, don't you think if we wanted all Palestinians dead it would have happened already? Fact is, we don't want them dead, we just want them to take care of building their own stuff and stop trying to destroy ours. Two states for two people, like it was envisaged in '47. - neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -11/+2You see, you're doing it again, proving my point. You and yonoz jump into conversations you aren't a part of. You are the worst at this. You in particular I do not respond to, unless it's a joke, so don't bother. I didn't read your post, and I almost feel bad because it's so long, but only almost.
- foopirata, on 03/25/2008, -0/+11"You and yonoz jump into conversations you aren't a part of."
Guess you don't like to be challenged and proven wrong. In case you haven't noticed, this is an OPEN forum. And, by the amount of times you refer to the "Ziontologist crew", I was sure you were taking "us" all on.
Well, again, you're stifling the debate. Bad form, and bad for you. - hadees, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I just think neocognitism doesn't like it when he has to ignore multiple peoples points and have to come up with insults for us all.
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -10/+3Ah yes, the "but they're increasing in number" canard.
- hadees, on 03/25/2008, -2/+11Well if it is Jews intention of exterminating the Palestinians akin the mass extermination of a people that the Nazis tried to do then they are doing a ***** poor job. Palestinian life expectancy is 72.3 years. A Jewish slave laborer once they entered the camp was roughly 9 months. That is if they weren't put to death as soon as they got there. So there seems to be a bit of discrepancy in your analogy.
- hansk, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2doesnt matter HOW they are cleansed, the fact is they are still being cleansed.
ps. when i say cleansed i mean killed or displaced from their homeland
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -11/+2They don't need the ovens, they have much more sophisticated slower methods these days. If they needed them I'm sure Caterpillar or some other company would make them to order for you.
- hadees, on 03/25/2008, -2/+12I must have missed the part where Jews were setting up gas chambers and ovens.
- lickmylovepump, on 03/25/2008, -5/+2what is more sad than Rev. Wright defending Isreals neighbors?
- neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -7/+3Rev. Hagee defending Israel.
- WaxenPith, on 03/25/2008, -8/+3Why don't you people stop crying already?
*****. - neocognitism, on 03/25/2008, -14/+5Israeligirl, Israeligirl,
why do you cry?
I think of you I really do,
yet you spit into my eye!
Never's there been a woman,
who burns with fire like you,
and someday soon in a hotel room,
I hope you'll drink from my dew!- israeligirl, on 03/25/2008, -2/+17Neocognitism,
Regret, regret the hours you have wasted
and the pleasures you have tasted.
Lament the idols you've accepted,
the commandments you’ve rejected.
Repent of trading truth for false unity
Repent of confusing peace and idolatry
bow down your knees and
repent. repent. repent.- urik88, on 03/25/2008, -2/+10Epic hahah.
- neocognitism, on 03/26/2008, -7/+3Harahefet sh'eli mele'ah betzlofahim
- yonoz, on 03/26/2008, -1/+8Your hovercraft is full of eels?
BTW it's she'li, not sh'eli. - urik88, on 03/26/2008, -1/+7Neo, online translators suck. Next time just ask us to translate it for you.
- neocognitism, on 03/26/2008, -6/+3Actually I didn't use an online translator
- yonoz, on 03/26/2008, -1/+8Your hovercraft is full of eels?
- neocognitism, on 03/26/2008, -7/+3Harahefet sh'eli mele'ah betzlofahim
- neocognitism, on 03/26/2008, -9/+3israeligirl,
Yaaaay!! dugg! I knew you'd come around, girl!
Good effort, that wasn't so hard, was it?
A couple clunky parts, but mine always have a couple clunky parts too.
I like the ending. It catches the whole "the end is nigh" vibe.
I actually don't know what you mean with the idolatry part in "peace and idolatry."
I will refrain from making one of four, no five, nasty (yet funny) comments and just ask what you meant.
You know if you don't continue the conversation with me, I'll start making twice as many songs as before.
Come on girl, let if flow!- MarkusGarvey, on 03/26/2008, -5/+4http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4
guaranteed... rickroll free!.... - israeligirl, on 03/26/2008, -3/+9neocognitism,
Idolatry in this context refers to moral relativism and appeasement -- to name just two of the false ideas you seem to cherish so much.- neocognitism, on 03/26/2008, -6/+3Ahhh Ok, although that doesn't make sense, I can go with that.
So you're against any negotiated peace process, I take it? Then you're a Shas or Likud member?
I suppose you want Olmert replaced with Netanyahu ASAP, or the LP leader? - neocognitism, on 03/27/2008, -6/+3Ah I was expecting another reply.
Let's chat soon. Are you on any chat services?
- neocognitism, on 03/26/2008, -6/+3Ahhh Ok, although that doesn't make sense, I can go with that.
- israeligirl, on 03/27/2008, -3/+8Neocognitism,
While I am happy to chat with anyone, previously you said in this thread: "They [vault, hadees, Stevanoski, petsheep and a few others] have no ethics or morals". You have insulted my friends and, indirectly, me too. Care to apologize to me and to them?- neocognitism, on 03/28/2008, -6/+2Oh, of course I do not, Miss. I'm a gentleman, so I mean what I say, and I say what I mean, unless I'm joking or being satirical.
I meant to say they had no ethics or morals, based on their current and prior behaviour and words, so why would I apologize? That would be quite hypocritical and dishonest of me.
Let's not play this game. You've said and posted many things that are quite offensive and insulting, to me and other diggers. Trying to work that out prior to chatting amounts to preconditions for talks, and we all know how successful that is going for the subject of all our flame wars.
I'll friend you, you friend me back, and we can exchange IM screenames?
- neocognitism, on 03/28/2008, -6/+2Oh, of course I do not, Miss. I'm a gentleman, so I mean what I say, and I say what I mean, unless I'm joking or being satirical.
- israeligirl, on 03/28/2008, -1/+8Neocognitism,
There is a very clear distinction between disagreeing on facts and calling people names. Surly we can't all agree on the facts in this complex situation, but we can have a polite discussion here on Digg.
The way you treat diggers who have a different view than yourself has gone way beyond a flame war. It hurts the discussion on Digg as well as many diggers' feelings. Perhaps you don't see it this way, but many people do, including me.
I hope you'd reconsider.- neocognitism, on 03/29/2008, -4/+2The name calling is quite two-sided, israeligirl. If you looked through even just the past seven days of my discussions, you would see this. It's part of the dynamic, and I can hardly claim responsibility for a group dynamic. Expletives and names are also part of our satire and humor, and could be removed only at great peril to the quality of the humor.
I honestly wish I could think of something specific to myself, that I could agree to abstain from for you. I cannot.
I hope this won't deter you from accepting my friendship. I request you set your shouts so "nobody" can see them, like most of us do. It's the only way to have a private conversation. That's under settings.
Good day, Miss. It is "Miss," Miss?
- neocognitism, on 03/29/2008, -4/+2The name calling is quite two-sided, israeligirl. If you looked through even just the past seven days of my discussions, you would see this. It's part of the dynamic, and I can hardly claim responsibility for a group dynamic. Expletives and names are also part of our satire and humor, and could be removed only at great peril to the quality of the humor.
- MarkusGarvey, on 03/26/2008, -5/+4http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4
- urik88, on 03/25/2008, -2/+10Epic hahah.
- israeligirl, on 03/25/2008, -2/+17Neocognitism,
- jamesbrownlord, on 03/25/2008, -2/+5When I was young I saw this number written on a man, his wife, and my friends. This is what I knew of them, they worked hard were good too all, gave secret gifts, swore me too silence too, said it was their job to do, help those they could in need. Why, I asked? His reply: we are different see, we give to others secretly, and God will bless us openly.” One day I was asked why I worked for this Jew, with out thinking I replied simple, I am too, what is that too you. Then I was called a Jew. A lover, friend berated, in time it hurt the cost was high. I almost started to learn hate. Then I remembered from where the numbers come, now once again, we see the same, the hate, the rage, and bigotry. What shall it bring, when we should know? I think it is sadness, shame; I feel now, for how can man do this too man? But I am proud to be classed with as a Jew.
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