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- jstohler, on 10/12/2007, -13/+277This story makes a lot more sense than the one that made the homepage, so the chances that it will get as many diggs are nil.
- 1Bit, on 10/12/2007, -6/+253Let's repost popular comments from the other story!
- cromus, on 10/12/2007, -11/+85This story still has me stumped.
- andrewman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+69The story that hit digg yesterday about this was one of the most spun storries I have read in along time. The funny thing to me was the fact that the digg community allowed this clearly missleading story make it to the front page. I think it was sometime last month that several things came up about most people not even reading the storries they digg. I think that this just shows that there has to be some truth to that. So if your going to digg it... READ THE STORY FIRST
- rkoopmann, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44hats off to AriaStar for actually reading the article
if only everyone would do that before digging sensational titles... - sonaboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22It's nothing! It's just a flesh wound!
/python - RaistlinMajere, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I agree that the other Digg story was misrepresented. But that doesn't make this whole incident OK.
The facts: a woman checks into a hospital to have a baby, and *while in the hospital* contracts a life-threatening infection that necessitates amputating all of her limbs. How would you feel if this was your wife, sister, or daughter?? She obviously contracted the infection *while in the hospital*. Who's fault is that? Her fault? Doubtful. The real issue here is not just the rights of other patients, but the liability of the hospital should be it proven that through whatever means, negligence, improper procedures, etc, somehow someone made a mistake, which resulted in the woman contracting this terrible infection.
The other story may have been sensationalized and somewhat misleading, but that doesn't change what happened to this woman. - earls, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Yes, thank you. This story is OLD news. Digg.com: The best site on the web for counting the number of uninformed, emotional idiots.
- Joab, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Even though the story isn't simlar to what was previously posted it is a FACT that hospitals are having a HUGE problem with contaminating people with flesh eating bactera. Most people who catch it are elderly or they have a central line which makes them vunerable to it. Its usually nurses or other hospital workers who are over worked and too tired to follow proper quarrentine procedures and mess up.
The issue is that the hospital is trying to cover its own ass. If the womens lawyers can prove that she caught it because of the hosptial then she wins a multimillion dollar settlement. Its one of these cases where everyone involved knows it was the hospitals fault however she needs to prove it in a court of law. Thus the challege to find out if someone else had it when she was there and which hospital worker didn't follow quaritine procedures well enough.
The other concern I have with this is that this women was there to give birth to a baby. People in the hospital who have the flesh eating bacteria are usually seperated from other groups (Quarrentined.). The fact that a hospital worker was dealing with a patient who had the bacteria and THEN came into contact with a women who was either in labor or already gave birth is pretty shocking. - matrixbandit, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18@TKDWILSON:
Because it is a hospital. It's full of people sick with all sorts of things known and unknown. That's why. Or maybe you think they should have a seperate hospital for sick people. (??) - DatoeDakari, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Forget about front page... I can't believe the fact that it made it to the 8th most popular story.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"What I think? I bet one of the doctors had it and they are using the laws they see fit to keep her from knowing that. Why on earth would they put a patient with a flesh eating disease anywhere near a pregnant woman? Or better yet, why would they put a sick person next to one even if they didn't know what it was."
Hospital rooms are separate, and the hospital I work at has maternity on a separate floor, but you can't guarantee that things won't get around the hospital.
There are a few bad bugs that are almost impossible to kill that thrive in hospitals, and most of them are resistant to any medication.
I know that nobody takes infection control lightly at hospitals, as people leaving a hospital sicker than when they went in is bad for everyone involved. - jegerpenge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@TKDWILSON:
You do realize that 100% of the population has a potentially flesh-eating bacteria on every part of their skin, right? Staphylococcus epidermidis can attack those that are immuno-suppressed with horrible results. So do we keep pregnant women away from themselves? - griz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11MASS UNDIGGING!!!! GO GO!! UNDIGG FOR YOUR LIVES!!
- EricCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I read the story but didn't understand why it was still being dugg, so I dugg it thinking I didn't understand it. I say we all go back and undigg the story.
- jrlittlejr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Thank you for posting this more accurate, less sensational account. If you are interested in some FACTS about Group A Streptococcal infections that causes Toxic Shock Syndrome and Necrotizing Fasciitis, try:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol1no3/stevens.htm
One quote worth noting:
"The portal of entry of streptococci cannot be proven in at least half the cases (8) and can only be presumed in many others.... Procedures such as ... VAGINAL DELIVERY... have provided a portal of entry in many cases" (my emphasis added). Also from that article note the table that shows complications. 30% of the people who get this DIE. This young woman has terrible consequences, but she survived.
This is an UNCOMMON complication of a COMMON bacteria. It is estimated that at least 10% of the population (if not higher) are carriers of Group A Streptococci. That means 10% of the people reading this commont might have the exact same bacteria in your throat RIGHT NOW. But you are dying from it. Many of you also are carriers of Meningococcus, one bacteria that causes meningitis. But very, very few of you will die from either of these infections, because your immune system protects you.
In this case... we will probably never know if she carried the bacteria into the hospital herself, or got it there. As the author from the CDC points out it is a 50/50 proposition. The hospital and doctors could have done everything 100% right, and she still could have come down with this infection. Sometimes bad things happen to good people.
To the people who are ranting about her "not having consented": She or her family signed at least 2 consent forms. One when she was transferred from one hospital to the other. As a physician, I can tell you it is impossible to transfer a patient between facilities without this consent form. Also, she or her family signed a consent form prior to surgery. - SpamDog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Most everyone has strep in some form on their body.
She just happened to have a bad form of it.
And as far as the right to privacy, that is simply not true. Florida passed a new amendment that will not allow hospitals to release this kind of information, it has NOTHING to do w/ the hospital trying to cover their own ass. - petroK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I think the answers are pretty straight-forward. She chooses not to accept the very straight forward answers. If the lawsuit is based on doctor's negligence, she does not need to know exactly from where the bacteria came, just that the doctor's or hospital's negligence was what allowed it to be spread to her, and failed to give her proper treatment on time, which may be exactly what happened. Knowing the precise source isn't necessary to make this case.
It's like saying "I don't know where I got this cold from since I visited the doctor, therefore, I expect to know who has been in my doctor's office with a cold in the last two weeks, and I expect the doctors to give me that information"
Granted this is more severe than that, but bacteria doesn't care about who or what harbors them and doctors can't go around passing around medical information just so a patient can verify that it was that wierdo she shared the hospital room with that gave her the disease. Disease vectors are very complicated, and a hospital or a doctor cannot give out any more information than they know or that they are permitted to give out by law. - chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7>>>"The funny thing to me was the fact that the digg community allowed this clearly missleading story make it to the front page."
Clearly you just got here. - FrankieB078, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It's good to see this got cleared up because that last story made absolutely no sense at all. Have baby lose limbs? Cmon...
- Haohmaru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Uh, the other story contained the same info. It was the title on Digg that was misleading.
- qber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5it was obvious half the people who dugg the original story didn't RTFA
- AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Look, it's possible that she already had strep when she went into the hospital and, when weak from childbirth, it took hold and attacked her. As strep is very uncommon in birthing areas, it's entirely possible, no, likely, that she already had it and it just happened to attack and become deadly in the time after giving birth.
A fact is that patients walk corridors at hospitals. It's encouraged. But people are still sick. They touch a banister and get germs on it, you touch the same banister and get the germs on your hand, then go to the room of your loved one, and you've brought the germs in yourself.
It's impossible for a hospital to prevent cross-contamination 100% of the time without restricting patients to their rooms and disallowing visitors. If cross-contamination happens because a doctor didn't wash hands, then it's the doctor's fault. But people have to accept that their own visitors have the ability to contaminate them as well. Still, even with the chance, if someone is truly very sick, the safest place to be is still the hospital. - Fhionnlaoch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can just imagine if she ever found out who had the same infection at the hospital. I can also imagine an outrageous and frivolous lawsuit against the infector that might win in a jury trial. I have to wonder why else she would be so keen on finding out who that person was.
- Vandango, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8
This isn't Mensa. There's no test to get in digg and that story getting dugg and the comments reflect that. - Patranus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4How do you know that she entered the hospital as a healthy mom? EVERYONE has this bacteria living on their skin: EVERYONE. People use this bacteria in school and work for experiments (If you are educated, think when you learned about graham staining - this is one of the bacteria you would have used). It is everywhere and to say that she entered the hospital with out it perfectly healthy is wrong.
There is no way that anyone will ever know what happened. What we do know, is that she was given a choice and now has to live with that choice. For all anyone knows the stress of child birth lowered her immune system enough to allow this bacteria to take over.
Before you jump to conclusions, educate yourself on topics.
Now let the flames begin with no facts backing them up. - dolphumous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"I think God does stuff we don't understand. There's a purpose for everything, so I just wait," Mejia said.
Some peoples faith in god is overwhelming.
She actually thinks her god wanted this to happen for a reason.
Hey, whatever gets you through the day I guess. - Thuktun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4So everyone go and bury it:
http://digg.com/world_news/Women_gives_birth_wakes_up_without_arms_or_legs - betasp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I know someone who recently contracted the bacteria. They have taken 30% of his skin and are rotating between taking and grafting. It is very scary stuff. He went from fine to almost dead in 72 hours.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think Digg needs to remove the old inaccurate story. It's the 8th most popular story on digg in the last year with over 10,000 diggs.
- ggriffit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6It makes more sense, but was still reported by a local TV station and posted in a poor format. Broadcast news reporters are unprofessional and don't get to the bottom of the story. Read a newspaper and words from someone trained to write, not a someone trained to talk and look pretty on the boob tube.
- jrlittlejr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Correction... it should say "10% of the people reading this comment might have the exact same bacteria in your throat RIGHT NOW. But your are NOT dying from it."
- dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4matrixbandit:
And when was the last time you ever saw a hospital that had a floor that mixed maternity with ANYTHING else?
Maternity wards in hospitals are to be kept completely separate from everything else in the hospital for reasons exactly like this. Most modern hospitals usually give them their own floor to prevent any accidents like this tragedy.
It's nice to hear some clarification on the story. There has to be something the hospital's covering up if she didn't have strep when she came in. - qbyte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A perfect example are those who degrade others with gross generalities.
- cam503, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I actually have a lot more respect for the couple since they aren't actually suing for money, just information.
If something like that happened to me I'd want to know the circumstances as well. - jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Remember, she is ASKING the hospital for the other patients records, which they cannot give her. Cut the nonsense! She already knows that she had strep, and any further information, even saying that the other patients did not have strep, would be releasing patient information.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Original story UNDUGG
- buffalo77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is why it is safer to give birth at home or at a birthing center with a nurse midwife. Pregnant and birthing mothers are not sick and should not be around sick people.
- BasouKazuma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The submitter IS a woman!
- Godlesswanderer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is one of the things I love about Digg. If a story that gets to the front page and it's inaccurate, someone submits the right version and 90% of the time it finds it's way to the front page.
- Majician, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Even in it's correctness.....It scares the hell out of me that I could go to the hospital with a cut or a stab wound and end up being wheelchaired out with no limbs. I still hope she sues to find out what happened and then she sues for a hell of a lot more.....
- Br0wn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Another more truthful version, I thought there was gonna be a follow up on how she blew up the U.S.S Maine.
- spreggels, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3As other posters have noted, you don't know that. She might have contracted it earlier and it opportunistically attacked her while she was weakened by the birth. Just because you're under the care of doctors doesn't make them liable for every conceivable health problem you might suffer that is not a consequence of their actions, and demanding the private medical records of other patients in an attempt to build a case for a lawsuit is not legal. It's a terrible thing that happened, but sometimes it's nobody's fault.
- dolphumous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you dugg it...undigg it. Then mark it as inaccurate.
http://digg.com/world_news/Women_gives_birth_wakes_up_without_arms_or_legs - chadian22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Finally a bit more clearer version of the story. So many people were skipping the comments of links to the follow-up stories saying "This is an outrage". Doesn't matter if you agree with the hospital for holding the information or not, this story offers a much better side with more details. It seemed the last one just made it very vague and left it to our imaginations to fill in the rest.
- killervibe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is definitely a far less sensational story with all the facts in place. But it still doesnt change the fact that she entered the hospital as a healthy mom to be and left with no arms. She has every right to know how she contracted this disease and be compensated if the hospital is negligent.
My two cents. - NetJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hospitals have been dealing with strep infections for literally centuries. The situation improved when doctors started washing their hands with chlorinated lime water. Then improved again with the development of antibiotics. Now there are a number of strains of strep that do not respond to antibiotics. They're especially common in hospitals where the antibiotics are particularly widespread, and where there are some extremely ill individuals. This is a systemic problem in the united states, I'll leave the debate about how to best address it to those more qualified.
a brief description of Semmelweis' 1848 discovery:
http://www.sciencecases.org/childbed_fever/childbed_fever.asp - randf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4and this is why any story summary that contains "Help bring attention and digg it up" should immediately buried.
people don't read the article before they slam the dig button, mount their soap-box, and then start their auto-rant...which is likely the desired response by the manipulative summary writer. - picardo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That story was posted on May of 2006. What has happened to Claudia Meija since that time? Why isn't there any information on this topic on the net except for the digg discussion and several bloggers who have written about in the last few weeks? With a horrendous story like this, I'd imagine there would have been more of an uproar two years ago.
- Rajjai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@dvddesign
one of the largest, oldest and most reputed hospitals in Phoenix (I am withholding the name on purpose) has maternity area (including high risk pregnancies) on same floor as "heart and lung " area. I know coz my wife is there since last 4 weeks. -
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