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- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -7/+200Wow, that grand jury has some balls. What most don't know is that state prison inmates are sold by the state to private prisons for profit. The federal government gives each state $40K a year for a state inmate. Then they sell the inmate to an out of state prison for $22 a day or $8K a year.
True many deserve to be there but this is why most states are now handing max sentences, not to protect us but because a body is worth more in prison. Yes, this is America I am sad to say. - inactive, on 11/19/2008, -17/+116On another subject, Dick Cheney should be hanged as a war criminal.
- gullyben, on 11/19/2008, -8/+94bring em down!
- voteobama4, on 11/19/2008, -6/+70Oh I thought maybe it was for falsifying evidence to promote war, or intentionally outing a CIA agent who pissed him off, or criminally abusing his power as vice president, or maybe even for shooting a poor old man in the face.
But this? This is nothing compared to most of the crap Cheney has pulled. - noupsell, on 11/19/2008, -5/+44their investment in the suffering of others seems to know no bounds
- Cypher19, on 11/19/2008, -1/+36We outsource prisoners to private prisons? Why the hell hasn't one of them started up Death Race yet?
- kismetropolis, on 11/19/2008, -5/+27A good start. It's not like this isn't just the tip of the iceberg for these two.
- sublimemm, on 11/19/2008, -1/+17You can hit the "Reply" link right under the thumbs up
- SIRBERUS, on 11/19/2008, -0/+14This isn't a conspiracy theory... a simple google search will pull up a lot of information about private prisons and how they make their money.
- jonnyeuchre, on 11/19/2008, -4/+18It's like Al Capone - he probably won't go to jail for what he should be in jail for, but as long as he's in jail, it's fine with me.
- geekgirlmelly, on 11/19/2008, -7/+20May it be the first of many! On to the Hague!
- Deeh, on 11/19/2008, -2/+14They finally got Al Capone for tax evasion.
- ninjaface, on 11/19/2008, -5/+17Give them the chair
- TrippSouth, on 11/19/2008, -3/+14This is not a good thing. If they have been charged with a crime BEFORE Bush leaves office, he can pardon them. I was worried about someone filing charges too earlier. Either out of eagerness, or as a preimptive strike from the neo-con-facists' camp.
- BroWren, on 11/19/2008, -1/+11Actually, the president has the power to pardon anyone for anything, even for crimes they have not been charged with. For example, President Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon was pre-emptive and Nixon had not been indicted or charged with anything at the time.
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -0/+10South Texas is one of the more rabidly Democratic areas of America. That's the problem with the whole "Red State/Blue state" thing the media force fed us... states don't just have one solid characteristic that defines everyone in the state. In the most extreme cases where you have 70% of people on one side of the political aisle, there's still 30% on the other. And when it's polarized like that, the conservatives tend to be hyper-conservative, the liberals hyper-liberal.
- Suzilla, on 11/19/2008, -0/+10Doesn't matter. Bush will grant pardons for one and all.
Whether or not he has the constitutional authority to grant blanket pardons to unspecified persons who as yet may not have been convicted or even charged with any crime is currently a matter of debate. Remember the outcry when Clinton pardoned Marc Rich? Wait'll you see GWB's list. - slogged, on 11/19/2008, -4/+14A judge would have been less likely to kill this if Bush/Cheny had left their office, too bad the grand jury had not waited two more months...
- kocurejd, on 11/19/2008, -2/+10Ok, to be fair, Willacy County, Texas has approximately 20,000 residents. The county seat is Raymondville, which with a population of about 10,000 and a total area of 3.8 square miles, might as well be called Butt-*****-Nowhere-Ville.
This is not significant. - morcheeba, on 11/19/2008, -0/+8What SIRBERUS said, but also: http://www.correctionscorp.com/
- surian, on 11/19/2008, -1/+8The COMFY CHAIR!
- RealmDown, on 11/19/2008, -1/+8No.
- Scottamus, on 11/19/2008, -2/+9Don't threadjack.
This story is strictly about Cheney profiting from human suffering not ... oh. - surian, on 11/19/2008, -1/+7Um.. in fairness, the criminal activity that they were allegedly involved in took place inside Texas. Other states would have no jurisdiction to bring charges against them nor would it be likely that any other states would be aware of any specific wrong doings.
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -7/+13***** get what's comin to 'em.
- SisterSabbay, on 11/19/2008, -5/+11Um hmm...Cheney is exposed and indicted. What goes around, comes around.
Sabbay :) - prophet5, on 11/19/2008, -4/+10Too bad these idiots have never read the Constitution they keep claiming to know so much about. This will hold less water than a Lyndon LaRouche Presidential bid.
- cowsgonemadd3, on 11/19/2008, -5/+11Do you have any proof of this?
- JasonsLan, on 11/19/2008, -0/+6hell, they don't need a chair, let'em stand..
- mr0nine2five, on 11/19/2008, -1/+6most of the prisons in the state of Texas are privately owned. I've known a couple of people that have been through them, and while obviously you're not supposed to be having fun or a good time in prison, some of the stories that I've heard are just plain ***** up.
The only good thing about Texas prisons is that they do let people send large packages in. I know a bookstore owner that has sent thousands of books into the prison system. - altempo, on 11/19/2008, -2/+7Probably will be swept under the rug, although I hope it's not.
This is the kind of news that I hope we'll see much more of. These people need to be held accountable, or at least exposed. It's time the world knows the details of what has been going on. - amfort, on 11/19/2008, -1/+6FTA: A judge has not seen the indictment, and it may be thrown out.
I wouldn't get my hopes up yet, folks. - sfhock, on 11/19/2008, -6/+11Don't worry Dick.. your minion Lucifer will make this all go away for you...
- TheStagesmith, on 11/19/2008, -5/+10Dugg For Truth
- Surferess, on 11/19/2008, -0/+4Holy Crap! Do you think this could really happen?
- swrostmore, on 11/19/2008, -3/+7RENEE FELTZ: The main company we looked at was Corrections Corporation of America. They’re based in Tennessee, but they’ve got plenty of connections in Washington, D.C. Specifically, we found, for example, that one of their main lobbyists, as the boom in immigrant detention beds was occurring, was Philip Perry, who’s the son-in-law of Dick Cheney. He was lobbying for them, went on to become the general counsel for the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees ICE. And—
AMY GOODMAN: He’s married to Cheney’s daughter?
RENEE FELTZ: Yes. And then, the next year, CCA saw their highest revenue ever, for example. So, we also looked at their—so that’s one example of their revolving door. This is partly how companies make sure that the government—basically they have the government’s ear.
We also looked at the lobby money that they give to political action committees, for example, and to congressmen. We found that more than half of the senators that they spent money on are actually on the Appropriations Committee, and their most generous donations went to the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security, which oversees funding for these detention centers.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/5/4/a_look_inside - mr5150, on 11/19/2008, -1/+5let 'em stand on a chair and i'll gladly kick it out from under them once the noose is snug around those necks.
- vbullinger, on 11/19/2008, -1/+5I agree with sirberus, morcheeba and RobertNeville said, but why would you bury someone for asking for proof? He didn't say "you're lying!" He said "could I see some evidence." Don't bury him. Answer his question, as the two above me did.
- surian, on 11/19/2008, -0/+4Pardon!
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -0/+4Uh, when the constitution is rewritten? The SCOTUS only hears appeals.. after several layers of appeals underneath them have already been exhausted. It seems unlikely this particular case will even go to trial, since the prosecutor is a lame duck.
- surian, on 11/19/2008, -1/+5Didn't he shoot him in the face with birdshot pellets? And then I think he got the old guy to apologize for the incident. Cheney is a class act :-)
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -2/+6You can't pardon someone for being 'charged' with a crime.
- ZeroCubed, on 11/19/2008, -2/+6Okay so we got the Texas Grand Jury, now can we get the U.S. Supreme Court to do the same?
- moduc, on 11/19/2008, -1/+5I think the whole thing was actually to do the opposite. They indicted him before Bush leaves office so that Bush can pardon them.
- hikaruzero, on 11/19/2008, -1/+5I am sure that if this movement fails, another one will pop up in its place in three months. People seem to be unwilling to forget about the horrors of the last eight years. We all want our bit of justice.
- jerrasis, on 11/19/2008, -0/+4A-*****-men
- Phaedryn, on 11/19/2008, -1/+5Until such time as the treaty is ratified, the ICC has no *legal* jurisdiction over US citizens.
"As of November 2008, 108 states are members of the Court;[6][7][8] A further 40 countries have signed but not ratified the Rome Statute.[6] However, a number of states, including China, Russia, India and the United States, are critical of the Court and have not joined.[citation needed]
The Court can generally exercise jurisdiction only in cases where the accused is a national of a state party, the alleged crime took place on the territory of a state party, or a situation is referred to the Court by the United Nations Security Council.[9] The Court is designed to complement existing national judicial systems: it can exercise its jurisdiction only when national courts are unwilling or unable to investigate or prosecute such crimes.[10][11] Primary responsibility to investigate and punish crimes is therefore left to individual states.[12]"
and
"As of November 2008, 108 countries have joined the Court, including nearly all of Europe and South America, and roughly half the countries in Africa.[6][7][8] However, these countries only account for a minority of the world's population.[26]
A further 40 states have signed but not ratified the Rome Statute;[6] the law of treaties obliges these states to refrain from “acts which would defeat the object and purpose” of the treaty.[27] In 2002, two of these states, the United States and Israel, "unsigned" the Rome Statute, indicating that they no longer intend to become states parties and, as such, they have no legal obligations arising from their signature of the statute.[6][28][29]"
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Crimina ...
In addition, Constitutionally, the court has no Jurisdiction within the United States, or over it's Citizens. Signing, then ratifying the Rome Statute *may* also require a Constitutional Amendment before it could become binding.
Bottom line, as of this moment, the ICC has zero jurisdiction or authority over US Citizens. - Psamtik, on 11/19/2008, -1/+4Suffering is relatively renewable.
- PabloMac, on 11/19/2008, -1/+4Lock them up in a private prison in Texas.
- surian, on 11/19/2008, -3/+6Personally, my problem with Texas isn't about whether or not they'll bring charges against or convict a politician or a CEO of a company. My biggest problem with Texas is the Death Penalty and its incredibly flawed implementation.
However, I will give you props for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. -
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