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- atomheartmother, on 05/05/2009, -19/+162What do you want to bet that these schools are NOT the next site of a school shooting?
- holyskeleton, on 05/05/2009, -14/+85maybe next time some nut pulls out a gun people will be able to defend themselves.
- inactive, on 05/05/2009, -15/+77Interesting how people never go on killing spree at the shooting range.. but in public gun free areas.. just saying
- LouisCipher777, on 05/05/2009, -12/+68The opponents to this bill have irrational fears of guns.
FTA 'Do you really think I want to be in the position of handing out D's and F's to people who are packing pistols?', - that's a funny question. If someone has enough mental problems to shoot someone over grades, they probably aren't sane enough to pass the background checks anyway, or make it through the training course.
Disarming law abiding citizens is not the answer to school violence. Anyone who thinks it is lives in a fantasy world. - pathouston22, on 05/05/2009, -4/+58In 2006, folks with CHL (carry licenses for a handgun) committed .25% (thats 1/4 of 1 percent for you math challenged folks) of all convictions in the State of Texas.
People with legal guns are not the problem. - Dwolf71, on 05/05/2009, -11/+64FTA: Woods said. "But everyone who was there told me it all happened too quickly, that a gun would not have helped.
Of course they told him it happened too quickly, what else are you going to say to a guy who lost his girlfriend in the shootings? 'Oh, yeah we could have stopped him if someone had a gun, but we didn't so noone was able to make a difference for her. Too bad, chum.'
On the other hand we have the mentioned videos showing that there WAS time for someone to have stepped up and ended the situation more quickly.
But we can't let FACTS get in the way of our emotions, now can we? - marmalet, on 05/05/2009, -12/+64Don't need no blasted PC crap in Texas .
- inactive, on 05/05/2009, -13/+60It is funny to watch the news here only show the opposition to this be the hip thing.
They show students protesting against it but never a student for it (even though there are plenty) only some dorky political type sitting alone in an office speaking for the issue. - tpmidd, on 05/05/2009, -22/+61One step closer to secession.
- TheXboxReview, on 05/05/2009, -8/+46I wish more people would realize that, haha
- NorthMass, on 05/05/2009, -8/+43Why do you think this will increase the likleyhood of someone going on a rampage?
(1) A violent criminal doesn't care about being in a "gun free zone". Why would they? Thye don't mind killing people, what makes you think they will respect a "gun free zone".
(2) Someone is a lot less likely to shoot people when they know others may be armed, because then they will be guaranteed to be shot dead if they decided to shoot. If everyone else is unarmed, who is going to stop them?
Seriously, how is this not a great thing that the campuses may allow students to protect themselves? - ihavebeenseen, on 05/05/2009, -11/+42"I don't have to be careful. I have a gun."
- Poe350, on 05/05/2009, -3/+33Wow, it's amazing how many of you people completely judge Texans. I'm not from there, but most of my family lives there, and they are always being harassed when they go anywhere north, because they are "bigot Texans".
Ironic, isn't it?
I fully intend to get my CCW as soon as I'm 21. Better to have it and never need it than to not have it and be put into a situation that you won't live to regret. - LouisCipher777, on 05/05/2009, -3/+31emotion sells papers and gets ratings.
- badenglishihave, on 05/05/2009, -3/+29I'm a yankee from MA but I love the Texan pride here. Go Texas! I wish my state wasn't so stupid when it came to gun laws.
- GiveMeFreedom, on 05/05/2009, -11/+35You are obviously not familiar with conceal carry laws... and your idiotic point about people drinking at parties makes no sense. A rational person will not shoot someone because they are mad and have a gun available. I guess you would also have to ban people from carrying pocket knives? Based on your logic students would be stabbing each other if they were drinking and got mad at someone. You may also want to ban anyone from having a party at someone's residence since there are so many things available that could be used as a weapon... are you getting the point?
- lnxfi, on 05/05/2009, -2/+26I'm not exactly pr guns or anything, but I'm all for that. It's not like someone who is ready to go on a rampage will care if they are allowed to or not.
- lnxfi, on 05/05/2009, -2/+25rtfa?
"A license to carry a concealed weapon in Texas is granted only to firearms owners who are at least 21 who have passed a criminal background check and completed a special training course." - AndyCutler, on 05/05/2009, -24/+46Conservatives are very polite people. That's why they want concealed carry laws - they're willing to hide their guns so they don't upset the liberals.
This way the liberals can be protected from mass murderers AND feel comfortable! - Mothrog, on 05/05/2009, -2/+23For all the morons saying that this will only end in violence, college students in Utah can already carry statewide. Guess what? They didn't become the Wild West.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/cnnu.guns/index.h ... - NorthMass, on 05/05/2009, -7/+28Finally some schools get it.
- kinerry, on 05/05/2009, -3/+22he's arguing cause and effect, moron
- poppabk, on 05/05/2009, -3/+20I don't think any of the people who go on these rampages expect to live. Hell most of them shoot themselves. You can argue that someone might be able to stop them earlier, but death as a deterrent for someone who is effectively suicidal is not gonna work.
- d3dm, on 05/05/2009, -6/+23And gets presidents elected.
- laminac, on 05/05/2009, -0/+17In Utah we can currently carry concealed on any public university, There has not been an increase of violence on the university of Utah campus even though they fought hard to prevent such measures. Not one teacher has been blown away for giving out an F. (Besides the teacher is probably packing too!) All of the fears turned out to be irrational. Most concealed carry holders are very responsible. Utah has proven that concealed carry on campus doesn't turn the campus into a lawless mess with everyone blowing everyone away.
- Quisquis, on 05/05/2009, -5/+22Except I don't think you can cite any examples of that happening. On the other hand, we all know what happens when there is no one to stop a killing spree...
- TheXboxReview, on 05/05/2009, -2/+19He's not trying to acquit those people. Only saying that 99.75% of crimes were done w/ illegal guns.
- pathouston22, on 05/05/2009, -2/+18@XBox
No, you can't make that conclusion. Convictions include ALL crimes, with a gun or without. It just shows that people who do get a CHL are very very unlikely to commit a crime, thus are reliable folks. So those carrying a gun on campus legally are people you want around you. - ultra80, on 05/05/2009, -4/+19Good for us.
- darkism, on 05/05/2009, -2/+17How are those 4.2 million CCTV cameras working out for you guys?
Stopping a lot of crime, terrorism, abductions and mischief, right?
Oh wait.
I'm no fan of concealed carry, but I'd much rather be surrounded by people carrying weapons than have my every move in public recorded, stored and scrutinized. Enjoy your surveillance society. Somebody needs to tell your government that "1984" wasn't an instruction manual. - laminac, on 05/05/2009, -1/+16Utah has actually tried it and there have been no problems, even though the university of Utah tried to claim it was exempt, it turns out they weren't (according to the Utah supreme court) and people carry there regulary. Not one teacher has been blown away (of course the teacher could be carrying too!) There haven't been any incidents, and if there were The news media here would have been all over it.
- KaosX, on 05/05/2009, -6/+21Three cheers for them for asserting their second amendment rights. I always tie carrying in with not only the second but the fourth amendment as well; being secure in their persons. I know it's for search and seizures...but if someone takes your life away Im pretty sure it's been seized form you.
I'm all for concealed AND open carry, do what you like....you aren't breaking any laws and a gun sitting in a holster isn't going to shoot anyone on it's own. - mbfielding, on 05/05/2009, -5/+19I go to UT, and it's amazing how many people are actually opposed to the law. That's one thing I hate about Austin's hippie culture, they just don't get it. Everything is peace and love and only bad people carry weapons. The idea of anyone but police protecting them is apparently unfathomable.
- Ryan32, on 05/05/2009, -4/+18It is illegal to carry while drinking alcohol, or at a bar etc....
Also, you'd be surprised to actual see the change in an individuals behavior when they are carrying. I am fairly short-tempered when it comes to deuchebags in public trying to start fights... That being said, when I am carrying, anything short of a literal life-threatening situation and I will walk away.
Pretty much everyone I've ever met that carries concealed, does so with the knowledge that it brings GREAT responsibility.. Any slip in judgement could cost you years in prison. Not only that, but it reflects on the entire group that has fought for the right to carry. That being said, we still choose to carry, and act accordingly. - imikedaman, on 05/05/2009, -2/+15I would argue for this by pointing out how the creatures who evolved to protect themselves were the ones who continued to exist, but something tells me the evolution argument will be lost on the opposition. Even our early ancestors were smart enough to realize that carrying sticks around to protect from attacks was important.
- anarcurt, on 05/05/2009, -11/+24Armed students might have helped at Kent State as well
- shredswithpiks, on 05/05/2009, -4/+17^^^ What if a student gets mad about a grade and they are holding a pen? The same thing that stops a student from stabbing the professor in the face is what stops a student from shooting the professor over the grade - that is to say normal people don't shoot other people over these things. That's what the madman does. And the madman doesn't follow the rules about bringing guns on campus anyway so I'm not sure how that's a good argument.
- rhoonah, on 05/05/2009, -3/+15I don't think anyone feels that way at all. However, they simply want the option to be able to defend themselves. I would rather die with a gun in my hand as I attempted to fire back then groveling at their feet defenseless from the inevitable. With your logic, we should disarm policemen and the military since their firearms clearly don't give them an edge.
- wigren, on 05/05/2009, -7/+19Agreed. It's like saying I know carrying a magic rabbit foot works because I've never been struck by lightning. But we have to make logical conclusions. It could be said that an armed student or professor could have stopped Cho early. It could also be said that more students could have died in the crossfire. I'm torn.
- raggsat98, on 05/05/2009, -17/+29Yes, please do, I'll be packing up and moving down there as fast as I can. I can't live in Massa chusetts anymore. The only argument about taxes going on here is which one to raise and by how much.
Welfare is Slavery by another name. - rhoonah, on 05/05/2009, -2/+13I didn't read him say anything about playing down these crimes. He simply said that out of every 400 crimes with firearms, 1 is committed by a legal gun owner. Those stats clearly show that legal guns are not the problem. So please don't muddy the waters with your liberal ability to ignore the facts.
- lyonsban, on 05/05/2009, -9/+20Let's say a madman wants to go off and start killing people on a Texas campus. He dies quickly.
Explanation enough? - knowitman, on 05/05/2009, -4/+15@tebriel1
You mean Obama. - shredswithpiks, on 05/05/2009, -0/+11Colorado law leaves it up to the colleges to allow or disallowing concealed carry on campus. Actually, CSU in Fort Collins already allows students to carry concealed firearms on campus.
Nobody is worried about Colorado seceding... - mrkmrk, on 05/05/2009, -0/+10Lightstab: At least at my university (UT Austin, by the way), there is not one documented case of student violence against a professor due to grades in our 126-year history. I don't see why this would change if we let responsible people carry handguns on campus.
- Rugrash, on 05/05/2009, -3/+13Realize that just b/c you have a CHL doesn't mean that you're going to follow an active shooter around w/ plans to stop the threat. Having a gun on your person is really to protect you, NOT to be a hero. In a situation like the one previously mentioned, if I was in another room and I heard gunfire, I'd look for the fastest way out (away from the gunfire) rather than going towards it. That's LE's job, not mine.
Now someone might say...well then what's the point of having a gun then if you're not going to stop the shooter? My response is that you've missed the point. The gun is to protect you. If you happen to be in the same room with the shooter then it's different b/c you are now in a survival situation.
I think it's a deterrent and hopefully any bat-***** crazy person will just kill themselves instead of innocent people. If you get your CHL...get real training. Just going to the range a couple of times a month won't do it, but I guess it's better than nothing.
Also, the law in TX also will protect you if you are aiding a 3rd party with regards to using deadly force. - gurudrew, on 05/05/2009, -2/+11The bad guy is shooting at everyone while the person trying to stop him is only shooting at one person?
- Ebacherville, on 05/05/2009, -0/+9Very true, cars kill more people every year than guns. If the argument that things that kill people should be banned is the argument, then better take all the cars and prescription drugs away and see where we are then.
- FryerJF, on 05/05/2009, -0/+8So, if you are armed and someone enters your classroom and begins shooting people, you are not going to defend yourself because it might not work? The point of allowing CC in classrooms is not that it WILL defeat a shooter or save lives, but that it INCREASES THE CHANCES that it will stop a shooter or save lives.
As for vietvettoo's post. He is getting dugg down (not by me) for a poor analogy. Firstly, if it is a party at a private residence guns might be present anyway. Secondly, people who would inflict physical harm on people because they are drunk can certainly inflict physical harm on people with or without a firearm. If they've obtained a CC license, they are going to have to know the laws and they will know, better than the average person or criminal I would assume, the punishment for their actions.
The CC permit holders I know are MORE aware of the laws and are MORE law abiding than people who are not. They also go out of their way to become proficient in their shooting and defense skills, myself included. No, I am not "comfortable" engaging in small arms fire with anyone, anywhere but I would damn sure defend my life if someone were trying to take it, regardless of the location. - apackofmonkeys, on 05/05/2009, -1/+9A shootout is greatly preferable to a one-sided massacre.
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