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- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -24/+180I absolutely agree. If people are adequately trained and responsible, then they should have the right to defend themselves.
- inactive, on 08/18/2008, -22/+116To the anti-gunners, prove what you say and put a sign on your front door indicating you are unarmed.
My front door says "Nothing In This Home Is Worth Your Life" - Tyrghast, on 08/19/2008, -7/+57The truth about gun control is that if more people are armed, you don't know who has a gun and therefore are more reluctant to commit a crime.
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -5/+49misleading title on digg - i'm shocked! /s
schools in Texas are gun free. except for this one because (fta):
"School officials have cited the proximity of a state highway and the school's 30-minute distance from the nearest sheriff's office as reasons for concern." - inactive, on 08/18/2008, -12/+48Perhaps you have not heard,there are maniacs going out and killing people in schools where everyone is disarmed. Happens in Europe too but don't expect them to have the common sense to know how to stop them.
- kavutu, on 08/19/2008, -15/+43Dand Skippy! About time America got a pair of balls like we use to have!
- baithe, on 08/19/2008, -6/+33Teachers and students can carry guns in Utah schools and you don't see shootings going on there.
- AbsurdParadox, on 08/19/2008, -13/+40Too many guns is NOT the problem.
- josepablos, on 08/19/2008, -3/+27Don’t Mess with Texas Teacher's
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -8/+31If you enter my locked area you are going to understand what the sign means.
I will defend it . - CVL4317, on 08/19/2008, -8/+30The answer: Use a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun.
- Mononuclear, on 08/19/2008, -8/+29The comment always comes up that if more people carry guns than there will be more shootings because people will get into fights and pull out their guns whenever they get mad. That has been proven not to be the case over and over when you allowed trained people to carry.
People with concealed carry permits are the most law abiding group there is. More law abiding than religious groups, political groups, charity groups, even police themselves. They are submitted to daily background checks. More police lose their certifications than citizens who lose their concealed carry permits.
Someone who gets pissed off and might throw a chair or a screwdriver at someone else is much less likely to pull a gun and shoot you. Throwing a screwdriver at someone is on a completely different level than shooting someone. If a teacher does snap and wants to kill everyone then a law banning guns isn't going to stop them. At least in that case another teacher would be able to stop them.
It has been shown time and time again that someone nearby with a gun can stop crazed shooting sprees quickly before they can do more damage. There have been several mass shootings where the shooter was stopped quickly by someone nearby with a gun. Trolley square shooting in Utah is one, and there was that Church shooting where the volunteer armed security guard was able to stop the shooter, there are others but I can't remember them right now.
Police often show up after everything is over and even if they show up while a shooter is shooting they often do not rush in putting their own lives at risk. Many supreme court cases have upheld that police do not have a legal responsibility to protect you. In this case the nearest station is 30 minutes away so if a shooting does occur it will be over long before 30 minutes when the shooter runs out of ammunition and kills himself/herself.
Teachers don't carry guns to protect just themselves but to protect their students. These teachers fear for the lives of their class if a shooter decides to start killing people. It is a justifies fear and they are getting help from those who can correct the situation. IE they are allowed now to arm themselves.
In Utah teachers (with permits) can already carry guns at school and both University professors and students (again with permits) can carry. There hasn't been any cases of teachers going crazy and shooting a student and I doubt there ever will be. If there is however it's good to know another teacher is there to stop that teacher before too many lives are lost. - Dimensio, on 08/19/2008, -3/+23Had you examined the article, you would have observed that the school making the allowace for trained teachers to carry concealed weapons is in a rural area where law enforcement can take up to thirty minutes to arrive after being called, and where they cannot afford to hire private security officers.
- duggdowncatisad, on 08/19/2008, -4/+22Ah Texas, where gun control is just another word for marksmanship.
- jmoh, on 08/19/2008, -2/+19You ***** kidding? If they're 30 min away, it's going to take them at least an hour to get there...don't forget they have to stop to get their donuts.
- xerigen, on 08/19/2008, -2/+19I always thought this was a good idea. This could prevent a large number of deaths if a student sneaks a gun in the school and starts shooting. Ideally, the teacher would be trained enough to take the person out before they did too much damage if necessary.
- kokoshka, on 08/19/2008, -9/+25How about taser guns or some other form of non lethal defense? I've met some ***** crazy teachers in my day...
- oneredeye, on 08/19/2008, -8/+23Horray for Texas!
- AbsurdParadox, on 08/19/2008, -7/+22Right, because the students were ALLOWED to take guns to school.
- InvisibleInk, on 08/18/2008, -30/+43Wahoo! Yee-haw! Now the tables have turned. We'll get the teachers gunning down the students for a change.
- OstrakonX, on 08/19/2008, -8/+20I can't recall the name of the town, but you know that town in Georgia that requires residents to own guns?
Really, really ***** low crime rate. You know why? You're not going to break into a home when you know its owners are armed. And even if they are stupid enough to do it, you should have the right to adequately defend yourself against him.
All gun control laws do is make it harder for the average citizen to defend him or herself. That mugger, burglar, or psycho can still get his hands on a gun if he really wants to. - OstrakonX, on 08/19/2008, -3/+15Life, liberty, and property. Our inalienable rights.
If you break into my house, you're certainly violating my right to property. And for all I know, you might intend to violate my right to live.
Sorry, but a burglar, thief, or anyone won't respect my rights, I have no reason to respect his. - inactive, on 08/19/2008, -2/+13Mononucleus is right. There are several different studies that show that guns actually save more lives in america than they take. It isn't the guns that kill people, its still people that kill people. If guns didnt exist, crime still would. Giving teachers guns would simply be leveling the field, and making our schools more secure.
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -2/+13They take without asking. Who knows what else they might do once they're inside. For that reason they should be removed as a threat.
- ZenMojo, on 08/19/2008, -4/+15If America gets any more balls, we'll be riding nuclear warheads into Iran like Slim Pickens. I think we need less balls and more brains.
- decoy26517, on 08/19/2008, -2/+13@OstrakonX
Your thinking of Kennesaw Georgia, and yes there is a law that requires people to be armed here, however it is not enforced. It should also be noted that Kennesaws crime rate is a lot lower than the surrounding cities. - tas08, on 08/19/2008, -4/+15Sounds legit to me. Some days it would have been nice if teachers in my school could have been trained to have guns, my school being in just about the worst area of St. Paul. Lots of drug houses in the neighborhood, cars did get broken into on occasion until we got a guard and there was a shooting (well after school hours) one evening.
- kakwakas, on 08/19/2008, -3/+14It's a good thing other teachers and staff members will have guns, then, don't you think?
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -0/+11wrong. 21 is state age for handguns. South Carolina recently overturned their age, and now 18 is the legal handgun age in SC
- kakwakas, on 08/19/2008, -0/+1130 minutes minimum.
- falstaff, on 08/19/2008, -0/+11Which was stopped by an off-duty cop with a gun on site.
- decoy26517, on 08/19/2008, -0/+10@Stagmire
Wait, your arguement is that its not ok to defend your property but it is ok to defend your home, car or business? Aren't those things considered property?
O wait, lets quote you a few times: "Only when circumstances indicate that the burglary presents a threat to property owner's safety "
incorrect, as stated above once the person breaks into the owners PROPERTY that persons life may be forfeit.
"Only when circumstances indicate that the burglary presents a threat to property owner's safety - i.e. when it's effectively an act of self defense. When one of your fellow Texas dumbasses busts into your home to steal your foodstamps, deadly force is not allowed."
Incorrect again, once that person bursts into your home; stealing foodstamps or not, it is lawful to use deadly force. No one is going to stop someone who just "busts into your home" to ask them "Why are you here? Are you here to steal my foodstamps?" If someone enters into your home (for WHATEVER REASON) unlawfully, deadly force maybe permitted depending on the state. Texas is one of those states where it is permitted. - allengeer, on 08/19/2008, -1/+11Actually, in Texas it is far from illegal.
It is very legal to use deadly force to protect your property, your life, your well being, your family, another person, or even another person's property. - decoy26517, on 08/19/2008, -0/+10Incorrect Stagmire,
In the law S.B. No. 378 passed by Gov. Rick Perry, it is legal to defend your home:
" a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the
actor [he] reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary
to protect the actor [himself] against the other's use or attempted
use of unlawful force. The actor's belief that the force was
immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed
to be reasonable if the actor knew or had reason to believe that the
person against whom the force was used:"
And as prescribed in subsection (1) of the bill:
" (1) unlawfully entered, or was attempting to enter
unlawfully, the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business
or employment;"
You unlawfully enter someones home, you're at their discretion as to what they deem necessary to make you lawful again. - OstrakonX, on 08/19/2008, -3/+13Guns aren't the problem. In situations like this, they're the goddamned solution.
Teachers having guns means no more school shootings. Kids who would otherwise try pulling a Columbine would probably think twice knowing their Geometry teacher is packing heat.
But safety training isn't enough: teachers who want to carry a gun in class should undergo a psychological examination first. Just so "the crazy shop teacher" doesn't get one. - juniperlimb, on 08/19/2008, -1/+10Anyone with a conceal carry permit is also trained to know what to do. Many continue their training long after obtaining their permit. I'd rather the police officers track down the criminals than sit around a school doing security detail
- Jareth86, on 08/19/2008, -6/+15Adequately?
"How good a brain surgeon are you?"
"I'm Adequate."
Seriously, if these people are going to be defending our kids, they'd better be pretty damn well trained. - inactive, on 08/19/2008, -5/+14ignorance at it's finest. Go ahead, Victim, go about your business hoping nothing happens to you. For your sake I hope nothing does because you're a victim waiting to happen.
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -11/+20 As long as the powers that be realize the risk of attack is great and the solution obvious we will have taken a stride toward sanity and the American way. We have a right to be secure and to back up the right to be secure we have the right to keep and bear arms.It is for security in a free state that we have the right to be armed and it is for the purpose of securing our person and those we are charged with protecting that we be armed.
Some people don't realize that now the threat of a teacher and their class getting killed has been increased by the Democrat law. - SIRBERUS, on 08/19/2008, -22/+31Just curious, but have you ever been to a southern californian public school?
In 8th grade a kid was talking back to a teacher, started cursing at him, things escalated between the two and the teacher freaked out and threw a screwdriver at the kid.
Maybe it's because it's california... maybe it was because the teacher was that "crazy shop teacher"... but I am really glad he didn't have a gun on him. Teachers have tough jobs, and they snap too.
Plus... I'm willing to wager if too many teachers start carrying around guns, there will be an increase of students carrying weapons at school just to protect themselves from the staff.
I'm all for the right to bear arms, even concealed weapons to those whom qualify... but schools should be safe, calm, rational places for education... and free from things that may cause harm or disrupt those things.
If a teacher is in fear for their lives, they should either:
A) if those fears are justified, seek help from those who can correct the situation
B) if the fear is not justified, the teacher should seek a new line of profession - bencanfield, on 08/19/2008, -0/+8"allowing licensed gun owners to carry them into places where they can currently be banned, such as college campuses, CHURCHES, bars and private businesses."
You'd think a church would be the last place you'd need a gun. But since 90 percent of people who would abide by this law are Catholic, it makes sense. - secrity, on 08/19/2008, -6/+14It may mean just that if you were to break into the wrong house.
- TVarmy, on 08/19/2008, -4/+12I lock my doors and my valuables. I think it's a pretty good strategy.
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -2/+10How long before someone comes when you dial 911?
- allengeer, on 08/19/2008, -3/+11what the ***** are you talking about? If the teacher is able to immobilize the shooter so that instead of killing 19 students he only kills 1 then I think that throwing more guns into the mix did a whole lot of good. I know the families of those 18 people that didn't get shot definitely think so.
- Trigonometron, on 08/19/2008, -0/+8not true dude, look it up.
http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou080630_ ... - NSResponder, on 08/19/2008, -0/+8"just in case there's a church shootout."
There was an armed attack on a church in Colorado earlier this year. Fortunately, the attacker wasn't the only person there with a gun.
-jcr - allengeer, on 08/19/2008, -6/+14Guns in the hands of crazy people are a problem. There is but only ONE defense against a gun in the hand of a crazy person. A gun in the hand of a person that's aiming at the crazy person with a gun.
A gun in the hand of a sane person (such as a well trained teacher) is not dangerous. - xaxxon, on 08/19/2008, -6/+14So if an 18 year old student is licensed and trained adequately, they can bring a gun to class? Interesting.
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