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- oldhick, on 07/17/2009, -2/+44The will of the people is something you don't want to take for granted!
- Markf57, on 07/17/2009, -2/+36FTA
"Rafsanjani, in a closely watched speech, lashed out at the hard-line camp supporting President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, criticized the June 12 election results and promoted several key opposition demands. However, he failed to offer a solution to what has emerged as Iran's worst political crisis in decades."
This will not end well. - doom777, on 07/17/2009, -5/+30finally, we are done with michael jackson.
- BillE3, on 07/17/2009, -3/+25Old Hick. The point you make explains exactly why congress and government seeks every tactic possible to keep us segregated into groups that are in constant conflict. Divided we fall. They do not want to face an American public that is unified and solidly against them.
- HavocXphere, on 07/17/2009, -0/+20When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movement become headlong--faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thought of obstacles and forget that a precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too late. [Bene Gesserit]
- Claverhouse, on 07/17/2009, -1/+21FTA
'As Mousavi supporters chanted "Death to the dictator," against Ahmadinejad, his supporters chanted "Death to opponents" of Khamenei.
As hard-liners repeated their signature cries of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel," riled-up Mousavi supporters overpowered them with chants of "Death to Russia" and "Death to China," the Islamic Republic's powerful United Nations Security Council protectors.'
Ah, the subtle sophistication of democracy... - papashawn, on 07/17/2009, -1/+20I miss the days where clerics were just the dudes that cast heal spells on your party.
- ronh, on 07/17/2009, -1/+19The Iranian people need to do this for themselves. We can support them in solidarity but in the end it needs to be Iranians that take there country and guide it to where it needs to go.
- inactive, on 07/17/2009, -2/+20Glad to see the protests resume. I hope they get those bastards thrown out.
- UK31337, on 07/17/2009, -0/+14It's the beginning of the end for the Mullahs and, to be honest, I think they probably know it. The young people of Iran don't take kindly to all the religious fundamentalism and a lot don't even practice Islam anymore and many look to the West as something to behold, and don't forget that these are the same youngsters who will eventually grow up and join the police, the army, become businesspersons and politicians. Like it or lump it, the desire to be Westernised and hate for the oppressive Islamic fundamentalist system will filter through the ranks and more and more young people will be brought up under the same ideals. Remember Iran is not North Korea; it is an open country with some highly influential people all over the world involved in academia and business and change will get through even if from the outside, and is not easily controlled at all. The Mullahs probably saw the opposition as a threat to them so they rigged the election to keep the hardline Ahmadinejad in power even though the population of Iran actually wanted him out.
The religious theocracy will then eventually fall as it cannot retain control against the masses with a totally opposite ideology. I give it 10 years. - cheddaro, on 07/17/2009, -0/+12I think that is 100% true. I have always thought the 2 party system does more harm than good, and may have even been intentionally created for that purpose in some ways...
- TheDougem, on 07/17/2009, -2/+10Dugg. I want to digg you more- this is the main point I like to convey to people as I debate on digg. This is a fact that people -can't- forget or ignore. This is how politicians keep the big game going.
- pintomp3, on 07/17/2009, -2/+9A better translation would be "down with". Of course that doesn't make as easy to vilify them.
- rabidjester, on 07/17/2009, -1/+8Iranians showing their colbertesque balls. The megaphone guy shouts death to America/England/Israel and the crowd shouts back "death to Russia" every single time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InKo75c-l1A
I'm not a big HuffPo fan, but grats on them for actually covering this while cable news is busy talking about important things like Al Franken not being funny as a Senator and how MJ's condition still hasn't been upgraded from dead. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/13/iran-upri ... - Janinco, on 07/17/2009, -2/+9Amen!
- oldhick, on 07/17/2009, -0/+7I think you're missing a big part of the equation... We have a legal system that was used during the election. Al Gore conceded and gave up his legal options. If he had chosen to continue fighting our legal system would have run it's course.
That is not the case in Iran. - whatthefu, on 07/17/2009, -0/+7We've been done, but whenever a story comes up about Iran someone always has to make a snide remark about media coverage of Michael Jackson.
- durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+6
As an example, people stuck in rush hour in Tehran often proclaim, "Death to traffic!"
It's really not meant to be taken literally. - Strman, on 07/17/2009, -1/+7Supposedly the phrase we translate as "death to" is not actually that violent sounding in Farsi. Don't know if that's true, it's just something I heard.
- mythicflux, on 07/17/2009, -1/+6The public doesn't like him but from a political standpoint the man is as big if not bigger than Khamenei (Supreme Leader) in turns of power/respect within the government establishment. In many ways it would be as if (using the US as a model) Biden and Obama had a huge public pissing match. But one where Biden couldn't be fired by Obama and Biden had the ability to call a panel to fire Obama (a panel Obama has allies on). And both of them have an open disdain for each other.
This is to say that Rafsanjani heads the council which has the ability (in theory) to remove Khamenei. Khamenei controls the religious and traditional military and has the ability to arrest Rafsanjani. Both of them want to other one gone for their own devices, but neither can do it because of a political stalemate. So they are trying to use public opinion against each other.
And for the people it probably comes down to the lesser of two evils, Rafsanjani backed Mousavi, Khamenei backed Ahmadinejad. So while they may not love Rafsanjani, he's atleast saying the things they want to hear and backing the candidate they want. So the public is probably willing to put up with his tarnished image. - pintomp3, on 07/17/2009, -2/+7They are in this mess partly because world powers keep meddling. Any further external influence would only undermine the opposition movement.
- AmnesiacJack, on 07/17/2009, -1/+5Digg needs a system for favorite comments and yours is a prime example of why. Just digging you up isn't good enough.
- senae, on 07/17/2009, -0/+4They don't. The time for religious extremism is over, and the Iranian population seems to agree. At this point it doesn't matter if the Iranian government hates us now, only if it hates us when this is all over.
- kd1s, on 07/17/2009, -0/+4Iran is getting interesting. Islamic states don't last very long it seems and Iran is no exception. Who the hell wants to live under Sharia in the first place?
Sooner than later I think we'll see the government in Iran collapse. The people now realize that putting all the power in the hands of one person isn't necessarily a good thing. And mixing religion with government is a very bad thing.
We here in the U.S. saw what happened when even mildly fundamentalist religious figures got into national office. If you think that was bad, imagine compulsory membership into say, southern Baptist churches. That would put me off the rocker, how about you? - kingmanic, on 07/17/2009, -0/+4Herbert was a very interesting author. His insights into humanity and large scale human interactions are what made his books so interesting and the lack of this insight is why his Sons books are garbage.
- mdelling, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3If they successfully do it themselves, then it would make sense for a foreign power to help them out, to make sure that a country that has enemies doesn't immediately get crushed. But that could be done by sticking an aircraft carrier in the Persian gulf and saying "anyone touch them and we will own your ass."
We should also be ready to provide assistance in other areas, but only if they ask for it. What the US or other countries should provide is stuff that will help the country grow - things like partnerships with world class engineering schools in the US, etc. - durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+3
If this revolutions works out in a positive way, those of us in the West should be careful to require the removal of the Mullah structure as a pre-requisite for a functioning democracy in Iran. There are plenty of configurations for a constitutional Islamic democracy, and right now, it's as much the Revolutionary Guard and the Basij who represent a very dangerous faction in Iran that in many ways is out of the control of the Mullahs.
The Iranian revolutionary government is based on a similar "hasten the messiah's appearance" perspective as many evangelical Christians hold in the U.S. There is a struggle amongst mullahs in Iran on whether this apocalyptic formation is acceptably Islamic, or even sustainable. So that's one thing that will come of this. The other is the way that clerics and mullahs and ayatollahs interact with politics. There's definitely the view that politics is a dirty business, and that the religious heirarchy should do everything in it's power to keep it's hands clean of day-to-day politics, acting only as advisors, or in extreme circumstances, as tie-breakers. This is what will be determined by these events. The third is the role of the revolutionary guard, the Basij, and the concept of Iran as a revolutionary state, or as a modern, stable, post-revolutionary state. As a revolutionary state, critics of the state, even 30 years after the revolution, are derided as counter-revolutionary as a way to silence opposition. Many reformist mullahs and clerics see the need to move Iran past a mentality of revolution and into a more politically pluralist and engaged democracy. This is what will also be determined by these events.
Iran could come out of this in no way less an Islamic state, but a truly Islamic democracy, and one that could actually serve as model for other Muslim countries: Where Islam provides the conceptual framework, but does not dictate the laws directly. And where democratic concepts like freedom of speech, pluralism, and constitutionality exist within that framework. - t0x2c, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3I'm against the /s tag, because I think sarcasm should be self apparent or it's not worth posting. This was clever though, no need for that tag.
- inactive, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt! Death, Death!
- durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+3
"If the election in iran is legitimate, but close"
The election in iran was not close. We're not talking about the hair margin that separated Al Gore and George Bush. Although I think the GOP played dirty in the 2000 elections, I also know that Al Gore gave up without a fight.
The elections in Iran, however, are mathematically unprecedented in the history of Iran. They exist as a statistical anomaly in 30 years of the Islamic Republic. - BillE3, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3Thanks to all of you, my friends.
- parisar, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3Well, well, Well! I'm Iranian and you definitely look like a "government agent" to me! How much do you get to write these craps? How are your friends beating up Iranian people and killing them, torturing them in prisons, raping them? remember, the protests started peacefully ... and remember that freedom is above anything else, and you are just a minority in Iran who had power for a while ... Our days will come ...
And remember, one day will come when you and people like will no longer dare to do poisonous talk, as freedom is above anything else. - stsvatos, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3One Iranian twitter account that I follow and his "coming out" so to speak. I haven't received any updates from him in a few days. Hope hes ok.
http://kheyzaranonline.ir/en/2009/06/hello-world-i ... - mitikomon, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3when I was little and my mum was angry at me she usually said to me "[I hope] God kill you" or somthing like that which includes a horrible death for me. of course my mum never want me dead. she was just too angry.
I just want to say that when they say death to sb or st, they really didn't want them to die or going to kill them. It's just a old phrase to show that they are not satisfied with SB/ST. I never said that to specific person or group. it's hateful and wrong . I always say that in general. like "death to dictator"
I don't know what "Down with" means in english but maybe it could have the same meaning as "death to" in Persian.
even if it mean exactly what it said, after 30 years of repeating, it will loose all of it's meaning. - Aeron, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2***** amadjinnyijab, he reminds me of bin laden
- t0x2c, on 07/17/2009, -1/+3Of course we need to undermine the oppositional movement. That's how we, as the United States of America, prevent anything from getting done. We pretend to help when really we know we are sabotaging stable governments all along. no /s
- lipocs, on 07/18/2009, -0/+2***** YOU. This ***** is important. If it was up to me there would be an update every ***** day.
- pyrogyro, on 07/18/2009, -0/+2Iranians ***** rule! (The rebelling ones of course)
- mandarin, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2wow so you already saw it coming huh?
/s - t0x2c, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2Well that was stupid.
- Anomaly100, on 07/18/2009, -0/+2You're either demented you're a Basij supporter, Amadinejad groupie or you've escaped reality completely. The information we get in regards to the "protests" are FROM the protesters. You didn't see us in the streets with the Bush election is because we have not been oppressed in a theocracy and dictatorship. You sound like Hoefstra in your attempt to take a huge issue and lessen it. These people are fighting and dying for their freedom to vote and you try to this!?
- alappat1, on 07/17/2009, -2/+4There is a time for everything under the sun... including war... this is not that time.
- senae, on 07/17/2009, -1/+3I wish you were right.
- mitikomon, on 07/17/2009, -0/+21st of all we don't have guns. they have a lot.
2nd it's just the beginning. let us use the civil, modern and peaceful ways at first. - inactive, on 07/18/2009, -0/+2No, he is. The tag was a matter of urgency as I was unsure and being paged. Technically though in hind sight it is hardly sarcasm so much as a distraction to the present serious situation with a rhetorical idiotic one.
- dtr300, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2Here's an original in Persian if you can read it:
http://kingahmad.mihanblog.com/post/172
And the Google translation, which is pretty funny:
"According to the citizens of Tehran and the movies published, Mir Hossein Mousavi fans today slogans like «or Hossein Mir», «Do Hashemi silence, traitors», «Death to Russia», «Death to China», «Hashemi zealous support, support »,« Sohrab Nmrdh us, this Dvlth the dead »,« We are not the people of Kufa, Hussein only stay », and« a government coup, resign, resign »head have." - TheDougem, on 07/17/2009, -3/+4Friday prayers are big for these people. I hope folks are going to pay attention to this story over the weekend - we're going to be seeing some highly important things happening over the next few days, and I -hope- that if things are truly swinging towards a government favoring the people of Iran, that we and other nations stand up for them. I'm not advocating war, but sitting by and watching so much death and abuse take place is leaving me with a sick feeling in my stomach. We need to stand up for things as a country once in a while.
Godspeed Iran. - mandarin, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1they also use a +4 mace
- Atario, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1@cheddaro: It's really the byproduct of a first-past-the-post, winner-take-all voting system. It naturally produces a duopoly. Unfortunately for us, the US was invented before the parliamentary form of government.
- allisonV12, on 07/19/2009, -0/+0seen M.J teeshirts at the swap-meet being discounted for $5
its over -
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