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- Renton, on 06/28/2008, -54/+185People who participate in mass comment burials are just sheep who follow mob mentality.
- BlueSkyfish, on 06/28/2008, -39/+136Teen pregnancies have been on the decline ever since World of Warcraft came out.
- TheWorm, on 06/29/2008, -27/+75I'm really tired of these "comment graveyards". Digg users are quick to accuse others of mob mentality, but as soon as someone starts burying people, they all follow suit.
- Shawn4168, on 06/29/2008, -6/+39Baa.
- cassusfett, on 06/29/2008, -8/+38In their defense, most of those comments do suck.
- PatoLucas, on 06/29/2008, -6/+29Well, except Shiftgood, Ninjao, S7aind ans MarianaPeyton, all the comments where outright retarded. But I agree with you, it's a shame seeing digg full of the 4chan mob.
- StingingNettle, on 06/29/2008, -16/+38Wow, there are more negatives here then on a teens pregnancy test.
- Shiftgood, on 06/28/2008, -15/+35Its just a statement of facts. You cant argue with it.
- gfxlonghorn, on 06/28/2008, -10/+26or more available birth control ?
- clamdigger01929, on 06/29/2008, -7/+22Your Sister, or at least she was last night!!
- DeFex, on 06/28/2008, -11/+23The religious don't believe in facts.
- romistrub, on 06/29/2008, -1/+10***** that *****...
... wait... - ayeroxor, on 06/28/2008, -12/+20It has to do with a taboo topic; just that fact alone will be enough for conservatives to say it "supports" or "encourages" the taboo. The entire line of the religious right is that as long as nobody talks about it, it isn't happening.
- my10cent, on 06/29/2008, -7/+12Long Live the Morning after pill
- inactive, on 06/29/2008, -6/+11Teens in 1990-2006: Traveled and vacationed
Teens in 2006-2008: Stay home and have sex due to gas prices
Teens in 1990-2006: Movies and music were good, so teens were more social
Teens in 2006-2008: Music suck, Movies suck stay home and have sex
Teens in 1990-2006 Internet Pornography was somewhat still considered taboo
Teens in 2006-2008 Will have witnessed over 4000 still images of vaginal intercourse and fellatio images, 400 hours of general pornography and will have encountered all derogatory terms related to sex in media popular culture in television all but the word "*****".
I'd be nervous if I had a 10 year old daughter.... - twiztidsinz, on 06/28/2008, -7/+12I would say thats more related to a decline of family values rather than religious preference.
Speaking from my personal experience only:
Religious or not, the kids who always had to be home for dinner and socialized with their families were the ones who had much fewer problems than those who's parents didnt give a *****.
This is my opinion formed from the things I've seen personally.
I do not claim this as the be-all end-all truth. /diggdisclaimer - Suricou, on 06/29/2008, -1/+6An interesting observation on politics:
- When teen pregnancy is up, abstinance-only supporters point to this as proof of the failure of comprehensive sex education, while supportors of comprehensive sex supporters claim it to show the failure of abstinance-only.
- When teen pregnancy is down... both sides say exactly the sme thing as they do when it's up.
In politics, everyone involved will interpret the situation to support their own position. - redneckblues, on 06/29/2008, -2/+6We need to get them some shoes then.
- DefaultGen, on 06/29/2008, -4/+7Quick, post here so people will read your comment. It's your only hope.
- IllBeBack, on 06/29/2008, -0/+3"The entire line of the religious right is that as long as nobody talks about it, it isn't happening"
That really rings true. When will people who believe this way learn that the more something is talked about out in the open and in the light of day that only then will there be a decrease in the undesired behavior?
Abstinence doesn't work. Talking to your kids about sex and educating them about contraception usage is what will really work. - azwethinkweizm, on 06/29/2008, -1/+3It's because kids discovered a thing called "condoms" and "birth control" and are actually using their money and time to buy them.
Goddamn kids and their safety... - zappa717, on 06/29/2008, -0/+2not in abstinence only Texas!
- AmericanGunner, on 06/29/2008, -0/+2what do you mean? falcon kick is a low attack hemp. psh
- Aieces, on 06/29/2008, -3/+5Youre right this is *****. Im going to the local gas station with a sewing needle to sabatoge their condom supply. Something needs to be done.
- ayeroxor, on 06/28/2008, -8/+10Planning when to be a parent damns a country to hell? You are one stupid *****.
- lmhazardous, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1I have to echo ayeroxor's sentiments. DaDrake-- the world is going to hell because Planned Parenthood makes it actually convenient for women to get contraceptives? Heaven forbid! If you had your way it seems all women would be barefoot and pregnant. If America is going to hell it's because of people like you.
- ayeroxor, on 06/29/2008, -1/+2"all the comments where outright retarded"
Oh, the irony... - chiefbttlwshr, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1As far as I can tell you're still an obnoxious turd.
- inactive, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1the only reason i do is is because i think digg has a system that's to easy to burry peoples comments and I'm sick of my very innocent comments getting buried because they slightly go against the stories mentality.
- CrazyDave303, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1Wafla the social model is way to complex for a simple answer, so I assume because one is give it would be solely for an political agenda rather then science.
And my first post was not clear. I was meaning a drop in lead has meant less violent crimes, and Aids(and other STDs) has made people more likely to wear a condom. Less babies and less crime. But these are only some of the answers out there. - Suricou, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1It's never that simple though. It's essentially impossible to isolate religion from other factors. For example, abstinance-only campaigns will be in areas with a large number of very religious parents - the type who will get angry and ground their children for so much as holding hands with a member of the opposite gender. Comprehensive campaigns will be in areas with less religious parents, who don't mind dating. So, if the statistics show abstinance appears to be working... is it really the abstinance, or is it that the pupils are terrified of their parents?
The only way to be absolutly sure is a randomised trial: Split schools purely at random into abstinance and comprehensive, give them the appropriate programs for five years or so, compare results. But this presents not just ethical problems with using children as guina-pigs, but practical: No matter how vital the research, a lot of schools will refuse to be told which sex-ed they should use.
There is also a political game of spot-the-example: Look through a few hundred areas, pick one that shows good results and supports your view, claim this is typical.
Eg, abstinance-proponents will point to Britain and point out that they have used comprehensive education all through the country for years, and have a very high STI and teen pregnency rate. This will then be triumphed as proof of the dangers of comprehensive sex ed. But they will never mention Brazil, which also uses nationally a very comprehensive approach, and with it has been able to reduce STI rates to a fraction of what they once were. Brazil's approach was so successful, they turned down aid money from the US because it comes with string attached demanding they cease some of their comprehensive programs, and particually their prostitute-education and condom-distribution campaigns.
So it's very easy to just pick out favorable examples, and ignore the rest.
In the absence of conclusive research, the only option is to look at what limited data there is. There have been studies, many of them - none perfect. They do not present a favorable picture of abstinance education - while not showing it to be directly damaging*, there is no evidence to show it actually *works* - at best it may delay the average age of sexual initiation by six months or so, but any benefit from that is at least countered by the reduced condom usage. I've yet to see a single study showing abstinance education to be effective**, but three come immediatly to mind showing it to be of no use at all. Unfortunatly I have no links handy, but google should be able to find you a few.
In conclusion: Abstinance-only probably doesn't have any significent impact when compared with no education at all, while comprehensive education clearly reduces both STI transmission rates and teen pregnency. However, it is impossible to be sure due to the difficulty of performing a controled trial or eliminating other factors that may influence any statistical analysis.
*With the exception of a few programs found to contain gross factual errors, usually exagerating the danger of STIs or contraception failure rates.
** Disregarding the one carried out by a pro-abstinance pressure group. - Vagari, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1I'd like to see the stats broken down by region. I imagine abstinent only areas have different results than the real sex education areas.
- Schul983, on 06/29/2008, -3/+3I really think that this has to do with the mass proliferation of social networks. Girls are more hesitant in sleeping around when they know it will show up on their myspace/facebook the next day.
- ayeroxor, on 06/29/2008, -1/+129th-trimester abortions FTW!
- gmtwilight, on 06/29/2008, -1/+1Ya but do you really want the sloppy seconds laying around...?
- JAPPO312, on 06/29/2008, -2/+2true dat dawg
- Shiftgood, on 06/28/2008, -46/+47Pregnancies down, Atheism up, crime down
- zeabu, on 06/29/2008, -1/+1Diggers have:
1) or never sweat in their life.
2) or only know the penetrant odor of LAN-parties (which is due to sweating and bad hygiene, as in "not taking a shower".) - harris7, on 06/29/2008, -2/+2its really not something to celebrate, its still double Canada
Maybe it's time to end abstinence only sex ed - lmhazardous, on 07/09/2008, -0/+0Oh, you also reminded me to send Planned Parenthood a contribution. Nice work.
- KingGorilla, on 06/29/2008, -2/+2You must be proud
- asherchang, on 06/29/2008, -6/+6SURPRISE SUBTEXT...
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- wafla, on 06/28/2008, -7/+630 years = roughly co-incident with Roe vs. Wade. There's a statistical analysis equating the abortion of unwanted children with the drop in crime.
- gryphon50, on 06/29/2008, -5/+4thank god you will never have kids. There is nothing wrong with not wanting kids but people who "hate them" are usually selfish misanthropic bastards anyway.
- gryphon50, on 06/29/2008, -5/+4oh yes, if women are sexually active they're all sluts. Guys who are active are big heroes, manly men, conquerors, etc. right?
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