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- ordig, on 12/07/2007, -4/+405***** awsome. All police interrogations should be recorded.
- ussoldier, on 12/07/2007, -16/+372Remember, kids, its not illegal to lie. The police use this all the time. And on the record, never volunteerly submit to a police interrogation. I did, three times, driving to go see THEM. I did, to try and straighten some confusion about something and some mess out, its what every citizen would naturally do, and it landed me in prison for 2 years. Total ***** hell. $100,000 later and never giving up, I won my appeal. Now I'm bitter as hell and want nothing more to do with humanity and live as a shut in. I could avoided it all by simply not talking to them, and providing a target for them. Never accept a plea bargain.
You're best bet, is to always treat the police as the enemy. The justice system has less to do with justice, and more to do with running a slander game on people and profiting from it. Sure they'll come to your resuce with a phone call, because you're going to give them an accusation and a target. That's all they need, they'll run the slander game from there.
Its a crooked criminal game that's been run since the middle ages and the witch hunts. Someone denounce someone, and we'll roll into town and burn them alive as a witch, after we put them through hell, and seize all their assets in the name of the church, thank you very much. And look like the good guys for it and perpetuate the idea we are needed to keep society in check and evil and bay and the world in order. Its a total crock of *****.
You can support the police all you want, but wait for the day when they point their gunsites and the weight of their empire against you. And you're locked away in one of their concentration camps, with a thousand people prostituting themselves just to get junk food to survive, in a mad mad world of concrete and steet and noise and heat and cold and humidity, in some camp in the middle of nowhere at the end of some country road in some ***** town. And all you'll care about, is how the hell do I escape from this thunderdome madness, just so I can touch a tree again someday, be back home in bed with my own pillow, away from all these goddamn sorry *people*. - timla, on 12/07/2007, -9/+299All activity in a police station should be recorded, both video and audio.
Because this jack-ass of a detective did this, the kid potentially got away with murder. The article does not go into detail, but in the end he got off on a weapons charge, maybe he was Innocent, maybe not. All we know is that the police bungled this and now we will never know for sure.
What a ***** prick. - MikeonTV, on 12/07/2007, -2/+225Interrogation 2.0
- playaj20008, on 12/07/2007, -5/+153One of the rare times the justice system actually brings justice.
- eryximachus, on 12/07/2007, -1/+93Also, always remember that the only thing you should EVER say to a police officer is "I have nothing to say". If you say "I don't know" and there is even the smallest shred of proof you did know, they will bring you up on charges of lying to a police officer.
- scooterbaga, on 12/07/2007, -2/+85He's right. It would clear up a lot of *****.
- fonebone2, on 12/07/2007, -1/+79Your best bet is to tell them you want to talk to you lawyer, THEN shut the ***** up. It's illegal for cops to directly question you once you ask for a lawyer. They will still do it, because that's because they're lying ***** and they're banking on the odds that you won't have a halfway decent lawyer, but it's your constitutional right to shut the ***** up ("you have the right to remain silent," etc...). I can't believe how many times I see instances of people thinking they can gain the cops sympathy by fessing up. That NEVER works. Everything you say can and WILL be used against you. Cops don't like to tell you that, but the Supreme Court says they have to and it's absolutely true.
I'm not a criminal defense lawyer but I've worked with them in the past and I've seen first hand the dirty tricks cops will pull. - syroncoda, on 12/07/2007, -3/+81its about time somebody in a ***** situation had some balls and recorded it. now if everyone had this opportunity to record injustices and ***** the bad guys then we'd all be fine.
we shouldn't fear governments. they should fear us. its in the constitution. - fonebone2, on 12/07/2007, -1/+77Are you so dense that you can't understand the difference between monitoring on duty cops and monitoring random citizens?
- allaboutdatiki, on 12/07/2007, -5/+81Score one for the kid.
- ndavisAA, on 12/07/2007, -4/+80Know your rights.. its your duty, but for the love of god, be polite and professional when talking to the police. Tell the cop that you don't have to answer his questions and don't answer them. The only way police can detain you is if you are under arrest, so if you don't want to talk to a cop WALK away, don't run away. Just tell him, 'I am sorry, I don't want to talk to you, and walk away". If he says you will be arrested for ignoreing him, keep ignoreing him and keep walking away don't say anything to increminate yourself and give him a reason to want to question you further. If he does arrest you, (the cop is in trouble for the arrest, but let the courts decide how much compensation you should get for the false arrest), anyway, if he does just don't say anything other then "Lawyer", What is your name; lawyer. What are you doing here; lawyer...
- Otto, on 12/07/2007, -2/+70It is unacceptable for the "good guys" to adopt the "bad guys" tactics as their own.
- URnotheonly1, on 12/07/2007, -2/+63How many Innocent Americans are in jail????
- soccerman90, on 12/07/2007, -5/+61even if he is guilty, it doesnt mean the police can lie.
- jerbaker, on 12/07/2007, -0/+56A deputy district attorney once told me, "Nothing good ever came from talking to the police." That, along with another tidbit, "No one ever wants you to sign something because it's to your benefit," have stuck with me forever.
- Otto, on 12/07/2007, -1/+56Yeah, until the tape conveniently goes missing or gets erased or edited.
- Chestnut3499, on 12/07/2007, -1/+56People might try to dig you down, but this actually happened to me. Not to some third party. Not to a 'friend of a friend.' To me. I spent six years locked up in a Texas prison for a $30 robbery that I not only didn't commit, but didn't have anything to do with, or even know had happened until I got arrested for it several months after it happened.
But I was a homeless 18-year-old kid that didn't know the system. My own public defender wouldn't believe or even investigate a word I said. I ended up with a choice: either take a plea bargain for an 8 year sentence (which they lied to me about and said that I would make parole on in about a year, most of which I'd already spent in jail while awaiting trial), or I could go to a jury trial and face 30 or so years.
I didn't trust the system, I took the plea even though I had committed no crime, and I ended up doing 6 flat years. The worst part is that I probably made to right decision. - fonebone2, on 12/07/2007, -2/+48No one's saying that, fool.
- combatchuck, on 12/07/2007, -0/+45Hear hear. Remember folks, you don't have to be under arrest to exercise your right to remain silent.
- jjmckay, on 12/07/2007, -0/+45Lying police is more dangerous than a possible criminal free on the streets. Criminals can't do as much damage to a society as the authorities in power. The most powerful authority is based on integrity. If integrity is gone, authority will surely crumble.
- dinobot, on 12/07/2007, -0/+45It's true that the kid is no saint, after all, he is going to spend 7 years in jail for a weapons charge, and most likely out on parole within 2 years with good behavior.
Now I shall quote an excerpt from landmarkcases.org
"In 1991 David Simon, a Baltimore Sun reporter, wrote a book about the Baltimore Police Department's homicide squad. The book, Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets, was later adapted for television.
Simon describes in his book how Baltimore homicide detectives deal with the requirements of the Miranda decision. He writes that before a suspect is asked whether he wants to waive his rights and talk about his case, the detective offers him a chance to tell his side of the story, warning that asserting his rights will only make things worse:
"Once you up and call for that lawyer, son, we can't do a damn thing for you. . . . [T]he next authority figure to scan your case will be a tie-wearing, three-piece bloodsucker - a no-nonsense prosecutor from the Violent Crimes Unit . . . And God help you then, son . . . . Now's the time to speak up . . . because once I walk out of this room any chance you have of telling your side of the story is gone and I gotta write it up the way it looks. . . . And it looks right now [like] first- . . . degree murder."
Simon concludes that "the fraud that claims it is somehow in a suspect's interest to talk with police will forever be the catalyst in any criminal interrogation." He says detectives try to get suspects to speak by offering them "the Out." Suspects must be "baited by detectives with something more tempting than penitence. They must be made to believe that their crime is not really murder, that their excuse is both accepted and unique, that they will, with the help of the detective, be judged less evil than they truly are." The goal is to get the suspect to believe the detective is on his side and will help him, when in fact the detective is trying to get the suspect to confess.
Simons, David. Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets. New York: Ballantine Books, 1991."
In other words, it is somewhat expected for cops to walk on a tightrope and dance around the Miranda in order to get information from a suspect but it really is a gray area of the law and if caught, it will not only deal severe damage to any case, but it will also undermine the integrity of the judicial system and pretty much kill the reputation of the detective involved in such tactics. - Richandler, on 12/07/2007, -0/+42I say there should be a push to give us a right to a copy of our interrogation. I'm sure less cops would pull this crap if the suspects had copies.
- PA42, on 12/07/2007, -1/+39@tonic and Davdev:
If you ask a defense attorney the number one way they get there guilty clients off, they will tell you it is police misconduct. This is the reason why this police officer should be made an example of. The only way to make sure more violent criminals don't get off because of police misconduct is too punish bad cops, so defense attorneys don't have the ammo. - sensoukami, on 12/07/2007, -0/+37WHy is is so hard to understand? You're poor, uneducated, you get railroaded by "the system", and you end up with two unpleasant choices. Take the plea, and get a little time, or get wrongfully imprisoned after a farce trial and do a lot of time....
- Otto, on 12/07/2007, -0/+36And if the cops didn't lie, then the kid wouldn't have gotten off light.
Regardless of what the kid is guilty of, it is unacceptable for police to attempt to browbeat suspects into confessions and is it unacceptable for them to attempt to subvert the justice system by blatantly lying on the stand.
If it takes a few criminals getting off in order to make the police behave correctly, then so be it. - sgglynn, on 12/07/2007, -3/+37Why did the guy accept 7 years for a weapons charge? After this his lawyer probably should have been able to get charges thrown out... except if he was guilty of the murder, in which case 7 years probably didn't sound so bad, which means one more murderer back on the street. Bad cops kill the system.
- fonebone2, on 12/07/2007, -2/+35NEVER EVER tell the cops anything besides your name and address. If they ask anything more, tell them you don't have time to talk right now. If they keep asking, the best response is "am I under arrest?" Cops are trained to ask questions, not answer them. Most cops will be thrown off by that question and won't have a slick response. Smart cops will say something like "do you want to be?" The fact is, if they had probable cause to arrest you at that point, they would have. You can tell them something along the lines of "if I'm not under arrest that I need to leave now, thanks."
If they do arrest you, the only thing you should say is "I want to talk to my lawyer" (even if you don't have one). That should be the ONLY thing you say. Technically, it's illegal for them to keep questioning you after you ask for your attorney, but if you keep talking they can still bring your statements in against you.
It's NEVER a good idea to try to gain the cop's sympathy. 1) They don't give a *****, they're just looking for a reason to arrest you, and 2) that statement is going to haunt you later if you decide to fight the charges. Don't try to persuade them that you're innocent. You don't want to have any statements on the record before you go to court. None. Nothing.
We still have a Constitution in this country. The 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments are still in force. Use them! - xtc46, on 12/07/2007, -0/+32see blackwater for details.
- inactive, on 12/07/2007, -0/+32It is legal for cops to lie to suspects to get a confession but it is a crime to lie to the police.
- Smwbigboss, on 12/07/2007, -0/+31The common theme here is civil rights.
- qubitz, on 12/07/2007, -1/+32+1 for sticking it to the man
- orangefly, on 12/07/2007, -1/+32update for police handbook....
1. check suspect for recording devices before using illegal interrogation tactics. - Doriath, on 12/07/2007, -0/+29Sorry bout this, but some info that should be up here:
Nobody died. The dropped charge was Attempted Murder.
And the cop: (from NYTimes)
Because of his distrust of the police, Mr. Crespo pressed the record button before the interrogation began, Mr. DeMarco said.
The interview with the officer lasted about an hour and 15 minutes, and on it, the detective and the suspect talk about the shooting — which Mr. Crespo admitted committing, but in self-defense, according to a transcript of the interrogation.
The Bronx district attorney’s office, which was given the audio recording during Mr. Crespo’s trial, abruptly dropped the attempted murder charge against Mr. Crespo once they believed that the detective had lied under oath.
Mr. Crespo eventually agreed to a plea deal in which he would receive a seven-year prison sentence on weapons possession charges.
According to a transcript of the MP3 recording, the detective repeatedly tried to persuade Mr. Crespo to disclose how he had disposed of the gun, and to write a statement confessing to the crime. Otherwise, the detective told him, Mr. Crespo would not be allowed to tell his version of events at trial.
“I can make sure you don’t see the judge for three days,” Detective Perino told him, according to the transcript.
The detective also repeatedly tried to dissuade the suspect from consulting a lawyer, even though Mr. Crespo told him that he wished he had a lawyer to advise him, according to the transcript.
“I don’t know what to do, man,” Mr. Crespo said. “I wish I had some help. A lawyer or something. I don’t know what to do.”
At the end of the interrogation, before Mr. Crespo was placed under arrest, the detective allowed him to give his mother his personal possessions, including the MP3 player.
But during Mr. Crespo’s trial, Detective Perino repeatedly denied having asked Mr. Crespo any questions, according to a trial transcript.
“Now you said on direct examination that you never asked him any questions when you were alone with him in the room on Dec. 31, 2005. Isn’t it true?” Mr. DeMarco asked the detective during cross-examination at the trial.
“That’s correct,” replied the detective. “He wasn’t questioned.”
“Isn’t it true that you told him that if he didn’t tell you where the gun was, you would keep him from seeing a judge for three days?” the lawyer asked.
“No sir,” the detective said.
“Did you ever tell him in that room that evening that you had no problems with him carrying a gun?” Mr. DeMarco said.
“Never said it,” Detective Perino responded.
“Are you sure?” the lawyer asked.
“I never interrogated your client, sir,” the detective said. - DukeMojo, on 12/07/2007, -1/+27Innocent until proven guilty, dirtbag. I know in your slim world view you see afraid as a criminal and probable terrorist, but not everyone is as dumb as you.
- fnaqzna, on 12/07/2007, -0/+26Insist on it. You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to an attorney.
You should exercise your rights. - tonicboy, on 12/07/2007, -15/+41OK, except that it seems likely that the kid was guilty. Otherwise why did he accept a plea deal if he was innocent? That doesn't justify police perjury, but...
- andy3109, on 12/07/2007, -2/+28I dugg you...but I still think you need to seek help.
- sHockz, on 12/07/2007, -2/+27I have said this multitudes of times:
Cops are not your friends. Hasnt anyone seen Crash? That movie is all to real. Perverted, pushy cop thinks he can get away with anything. The lady was almost willing to end her life than grab his hand after what he did.
I went to court today to challenge an alleged speeding ticket. I was going 62 in a 65, and was charged with 82 in a 65. It is sad to see that I was subjected to this, especially on something so common as this. Why pick someone who isnt breaking the law to give a ticket to? Did he just make a mistake? I dont know, but I will put the 'justice' system to the test once again. Hopefully I dont get tased... - Mactard, on 12/07/2007, -0/+25Remember future troublemakers, police lie, and lie some more, then again.
Hope this pig loses his pension, and serves time with all his "old friends". - ghamal, on 12/07/2007, -4/+28He got charged for the gun (probably undocumented.) Still, can't say the kid was guilty of murder because he had a gun. Alot of people, especially in crime-filled areas, carry guns. Are you trying to say that you wouldn't have minded if the kid got sent to jail for murder even if he was innocent just because he had a gun?
- DukeMojo, on 12/07/2007, -0/+24It's sad when American citizens get attacked by their own country.
- fonebone2, on 12/07/2007, -0/+24Not absolutely true. Google "terry stop." A cop can stop you on the street and even conduct a "safety" search based on reasonable suspicion, which can be just about any ***** thing they can think of. You should tell them your name and address and other basic things. Beyond that you don't have to answer. And if they keep bugging you about it tell them you're in a hurry and don't have time to talk. If they ask you what the rush is tell them you have to take a *****. I'm serious.
- GamerVer05, on 12/07/2007, -3/+26Hung with entrails? How about disbarred and publicly disgraced, I mean that doesn't involve entrails.
- r337ard, on 12/07/2007, -0/+23Obstruction of justice is.
- inactive, on 12/07/2007, -0/+22like being out in public, wearing the wrong clothes, "looking suspicious" etc.
- BrandonWicks, on 12/07/2007, -0/+21"The allegations 'put the safety of all law-abiding citizens at risk because they undermine the integrity and foundation of the entire criminal justice system,'" Actually, the allegations are that the officer undermined the integrity and foundation of the entire criminal justice system... aren't they?
- codesuidae, on 12/07/2007, -0/+21She had it coming, honest people sleep in bed. She was probably waiting for a torrent to finish downloading.
- Shaman760, on 12/07/2007, -0/+20Well now, that's a career-ender.
- BigManOnCampus, on 12/07/2007, -2/+22One more reason to wear technology in your clothes that can do things like this.
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