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- kartman2001, on 07/19/2009, -4/+66POW * MIA
You Are Not Forgotten - BelatedHero, on 07/19/2009, -7/+46***** the taliban.
- kcapxis, on 07/19/2009, -21/+59It's a damn good thing we didn't torture or demean any of them when we captured them, so now we can take the moral high ground when we go to negotiate for his...wait, what?
Well, then I hope the Dick Cheney for their side is nicer than the one we have. - BasalCellBossk, on 07/19/2009, -22/+57Why didn't God prevent him from being captured in the first place?
- getoffmybridge, on 07/19/2009, -5/+39"Can’t we silence these Christian athletes who thank Jesus whenever they win and never mention his name when they lose? You never hear them say, “Jesus made me drop the ball” or, “The Lord tripped me up behind the line of scrimmage.” -George Carlin
- eMximeR, on 07/19/2009, -5/+34"God works in mysterious ways"
Apparently like a douchebag - Zubata, on 07/19/2009, -26/+53May God protect this young man and return him safely to his unit.
- DirtyVicar, on 07/19/2009, -1/+22I'd like to think that of the media, but wait until the next celebrity death comes around.
- novenator, on 07/19/2009, -15/+35Boy, it's a good thing we armed and trained these folks to defeat that evil communism.
/s - doctorfungi, on 07/19/2009, -1/+21While I agree that the term "Taliban" gets thrown around too much by the media, you're wrong about this being some "group of people" who are only after money. These guys mean business, unfortunately.
The group initially posted about his kidnapping on militant websites used frequently by the actual Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, they have made demands for a withdrawal of U.S. forces and air strikes from very specific locales (not for money), and the kidnapping thus far has had all the hallmarks of past al Qaeda/Taliban extremist kidnappings.
Saying that it is "unlikely that they will kill him" is categorically false. Let's hope for the best and keep this young man in our thoughts. I hope he's returned home safe as soon as possible. - yocouchdigga, on 07/19/2009, -10/+27Why didn't your magical sky-daddy protect him to begin with, this all part of his perfect master-plan?
Please, for the sake of humanity, abandon these silly superstitions and fairy-tales. - 6minuteabs, on 07/19/2009, -8/+25He was busy impregnating a virgin.
- frankdozier, on 08/10/2009, -5/+21Hindsight's always 20/20, eh?
- BasalCellBossk, on 07/19/2009, -5/+18Or in the 80s when Reagan armed and trained him?
- RooC10, on 07/19/2009, -7/+19People will digg you down, but let's be honest. If we aren't acting in a manner that is considered the moral high ground, i.e., breaking Geneva convention guidelines, how can we expect to consider ourselves 'right'? If we aren't leading by example, we are just two groups of people fighting, much like any 'uncivilized' nation did before us.
Principles are amazing platforms for politicians, but when they conflict with our livelihood we leave them wayside. Once again, if we do not lead by example then we cannot expect any change in our enemies directive. Above that, we cannot assume any other nation will join us when we dictate our morals based on our enemies actions. - inactive, on 07/19/2009, -0/+11Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nofUeNU5XZw - doctorfungi, on 07/19/2009, -3/+13Stop saying "we". You're assuming I'm an American. I'm not.
The U.S. doesn't "allow" their soldiers to gang-rape or murder you dip *****. Read a ***** book. Soldiers found to have committed such atrocities are put through a legal system and punished in the same way they would be for gang-raping and murdering someone at home.
The murdering of innocent civilians is prohibited under all branches of the U.S. military (including Special Forces who may have their position compromised by civilians behind enemy lines). It is treated as a criminal act that is inexcusable. Conversely, the Taliban ENCOURAGES the murder of non-Islamic civilians, civilians who speak with U.S. soldiers, and in some cases civilians who follow different schools of Islam.
If you took the effort to read my post before your ***** partisan-***** meter went off, you'd see that I'm not calling the U.S. "heroes". I even went so far as to condemn acts by the U.S. in recent years. I'm simply saying that on a relative moral scale, the morality of the U.S. in war far exceeds that of al Qaeda and the Taliban, two terrorist groups who DELIBERATELY target the innocent, something the U.S. as a nation does not do (yes, the rare occurrences of a U.S. soldier deliberately murdering civilians are exceptions to this). - americanoboy, on 07/19/2009, -7/+17no, americans like to beat and starve POWs.
- americanoboy, on 07/19/2009, -3/+13i'm willing to wager americans have killed at least tripple what saddam did.
- chaos7, on 07/19/2009, -16/+25"god" isn't going to do *****. your fake "god" also put him in this horrible situation.
- alman783, on 07/19/2009, -5/+14Or not piss them off in the first place. and mind our own business.
- doctorfungi, on 07/19/2009, -2/+10No, they tend to behead them with a blunt knife in front of a video camera before they have a chance to starve them.
- americanoboy, on 07/19/2009, -4/+12he'll be forgotten faster than a 'nam vet.
- eMximeR, on 07/19/2009, -0/+8^ Most people must be missing the point...
The media doesn't run any meaningful stories! They like to stick to celebrity deaths because that's what the majority of douchebags in the US seem to enjoy - doctorfungi, on 07/19/2009, -1/+9Hate to burst your bubble, hot-shot, but I've studied this topic at University level in anti-Terrorism/Middle-Eastern Politics studies courses extensively. You're wrong.
The U.S. never had a direct connection to Bin Laden. Your assertion that the CIA and Bin Laden did anything "together" is ridiculous. As Peter Bergen puts it, the one thing that Bin Laden and the U.S. agree on is that the two never had a connection. The CIA wasn't even really aware of Bin Laden until the 1990's, after the Soviets had withdrawn from Afghanistan. As I noted, Bin Laden himself flat out denies that the U.S. assisted the Mujaheddin in any note-worthy capacity.
The U.S. assistance to the Afghan fighters (which reached less than 25% of them) was channeled through the Pakistani ISI to Afghan nationals, not foreign fighters (such as Bin Laden and his network of predominately Saudis). Bin Laden used funding from "charity" donations and various sympathizers to establish al Qaeda. The establishment of al Qaeda didn't peak until 1996-2001, at which time the U.S. had long since ceased assistance to Afghanistan. It was during this time that the majority of al Qaeda training camps and networks were setup. The book "Leaderless Jihad" by Marc Sageman deals with this issue extensively, and I recommend you read it. - Skab, on 07/19/2009, -3/+11I think I seen something about this on the ticker on CNN...
- doctorfungi, on 07/19/2009, -13/+21Come on guys... he was well wishing a POW. It's really not the place for petty jabs at people's religions. Let it go.
- TheDougem, on 07/19/2009, -1/+8Agree. It blows my mind what some people seriously believe and take to heart - when their beliefs amount to conspiracy propaganda.
The people who lept on the poster far above and made snide marks about religion when he made a heartfelt sentiment for the soldier's was particularly disgusting - do these people know anything about tact or respect?
Thankfully, like you said - are more civil people then you'd expect to be on the web. Sometimes they just conclude that confronting these idiots is just not worth the time. - Air420, on 07/19/2009, -7/+14Digg is no place for god to be hanging around, he'll get his ass kicked.
- sushieater19, on 07/19/2009, -1/+8Some of the comments on here literally make me sick. Like...I want to throw up after reading them. However, it's always good to know that there are still civilized people on the web. Some of these stupid and asinine theories really make me want to throw up.
- doctorfungi, on 07/19/2009, -3/+9Most of the weaponry in Afghanistan that's being used against U.S. forces now comes from what the Soviets left behind after they left, not the CIA.
CIA involvement in Afghanistan in the 1980's was with Afghan natives, not foreign fighters (eg. Usama Bin Laden, who has personally denied that the U.S. helped expel the Soviets from Afghanistan).
The assertion that the CIA is responsible for the training and weaponry that's killing U.S. soldiers in 2009 is an oversimplification, overblown, and ignores the larger issues in the region. - Wisgary, on 07/19/2009, -2/+8"The other said "please return our soldier safely" or "we will hunt you," according to Julian."
Yes because threatening them will help a lot here. I hope this was not an official document. - doctorfungi, on 07/19/2009, -2/+8The Taliban have routinely exercised in acts of terrorism since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. They target villages of Afghan civilians for the purpose of instilling fear to attain a political end. That's what terrorism is. Furthermore, even if they didn't directly engage in terrorism before 9/11 (though an argument could be made that their treatment of the people they governed was terrorism), they harbored, supported, and provided refuge for al Qaeda terrorists.
Now, while the U.S. certainly is guilty of bombing civilians, you seem to miss a big point here. The U.S. does not intentionally target civilians. The Taliban does. Do some reading on "just war theory" and you'll see how important the principle of discrimination is in determining the morality of acts of war. Furthermore, you're wrong about Iraq being the only place where civilians are targeted by Muslim extremists. A group of school children was attacked by the Taliban using acid in the recent past, shootings are frequent, bombings of "pro-US" villages, establishments and structures is frequent, and it's often the native Afghans who pay for it.
Your justification for beheadings is also pathetic at best. The people doing these beheadings carry AK47's on their back. As I'm sure you're aware, the AK47 is capable of delivering a quick death to someone. The beheadings are done to achieve impact on a selected audience (this is linked to the concept of terrorism I was talking about earlier), not just because it's the only way to kill someone. Also, you're missing the fact that these executions are carried out without due process, outside a system of law, and for obscene reasons (such as talking to U.S. troops). It's not comparable to the U.S. capital punishment system in any way.
Again, I have to stress that the Taliban and al Qaeda have the murder of innocent civilians at the core of their value set. That is a big deal in assessing morality. - twiztidsinz, on 07/19/2009, -4/+10Or in 2001~2002 when we were in Afghanistan the first time...
- MacParrot, on 07/19/2009, -3/+8@Vish
Doc never mentioned 9/11. He said the murder of civilians. They HAVE murdered civilians for no other reason than for not agreeing with them. Get off your high horse. - TexMexRex, on 07/19/2009, -4/+9We? How were you involved?
Trained to defeat communism? These 20 year old kids were just being born when the Soviet union fell apart. These kids were trained for Iraq. How freekin old are you? - TheDougem, on 07/19/2009, -5/+10@NuttyVirus
You're ignorant, misinformed, and showing it in spades. And the fact that so many people are digging you up for remarks such as:
"And come on, all of us know the americans tortured the living crap out of each detainee at gitmo or in either Iraq or Afghanistan and the whole world knows it."
Is almost disturbing. That is complete and utter bull-crap, and maybe if you took the time to actually read real news stories and not just the ones that reinforce your view of the Evil American Empire, maybe you would realize that.
You have good sentiment, and yes, there are always two sides, but some of your arguments don't hold any credible water. - inactive, on 07/19/2009, -4/+9You'd have thought we'd have learned a lesson from Viet Nam: never start a war where you have no clearly defined measure for victory. We appear to be waiting for the magic day when everyone in Afghanistan and Iraq throws us a party and thanks us for invading their countries. We continue to act surprised that this isn't happening. We honestly seem incapable of grasping the simple fact that NOBODY likes having their country occupied by a foreign army.
- NuttyVirus, on 07/19/2009, -13/+18I'm sure they are saying ***** the americans... so where does that leave us? And I dont get why im going to get dugg down for this when it's true. I haven't stated any thing wrong or false. I dont support the taliban one bit but it was the americans who invaded and aimlessly drop bombs and kill innocent people. Not only that but they placed a complete and stupid moron as a puppet in the government who has let his brother and friends steal money from the country and have made Afghanistan into one of the most corrupt countries in the world. And come on, all of us know the americans tortured the living crap out of each detainee at gitmo or in either Iraq or Afghanistan and the whole world knows it. So my question is, where do we go from here. I hope this american soldier is alive and well and wish him and his family the best and hope he returns safely. Always two sides to the story.
- poidh, on 07/19/2009, -1/+6He just wanted to be first.
- TheDougem, on 07/19/2009, -0/+5Did you forget Daniel Pearl that easily?
- sharkydog, on 07/19/2009, -6/+10I hate to agree, but I do concur. I only wish we had had the foresight to avoid this war by getting Osama Bin Laden in the 90's when we had the chance.
- OthoNoggle, on 07/19/2009, -2/+6Do you thinking watching torture porn supplied to you by terrorists is the same thing being informed about world events? Good for you, junior.
But you're wrong.
The reason the Geneva convention bars the sort of display you're willing to watch is because it's seen as degrading and humiliating to POWs. Good going. - doctorfungi, on 07/19/2009, -0/+4Basal, bring innocent civilians in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Kuwait into that equation and you'll get a different result.
- elbrad0, on 07/19/2009, -1/+5The masses are easier to control when uninformed.
- redfox2600, on 07/19/2009, -7/+11Hey guys it's just a traditional expression so lighten up will you.
- doctorfungi, on 07/19/2009, -3/+7Usama Bin Laden was not a threat to the West in the 1980's. You cannot possibly expect anyone to have that kind of foresight.
The appropriate time to take him our would have been some time between 1996 and 2001. You know, when he was known to be establishing a massive terrorist network of training camps and personnel, and had already attacked the U.S. multiple times. - MacParrot, on 07/19/2009, -1/+51. Like war movies have little to do with reality no matter which side or point they portray.
2. Like you're old enough to join even if you wanted to - yocouchdigga, on 07/19/2009, -6/+10No. This crap has gone on long enough.
- maroger, on 07/19/2009, -2/+6And how would Americans react if the Taliban were occupying the US? Oh, that's right, we're a privileged nation above all others.
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