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- dtd00d, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24And yet the rest of America is more concerned about things like Paris Hilton going to jail or a single infant who died of salmonella. We are so numbed to these reports that nobody really seems to understand the magnitude of how many people are dying in Iraq.
3000+ casualties is quite a big number when you realize that most of these attacks result in dozens upon dozens of Iraqis killed and a single digit number, if any, of Americans killed for each of these attacks.
For example in this bombing, according to Google News, there are 150 Iraqis killed, and just 1 US soldier killed. The ratio is great for us but these are all still people dying. It's ridiculous. - sanman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Certainly the US is to be faulted for having destabilized Iraq. But nowhere do I see any mention on Digg on the malevolent sadism of the jihadist forces who are willing to kill their fellow Muslims like insects.
Seriously, if the United States were invaded and occupied tomorrow -- by Martians, Robots, I don't care -- would you really see any citizens detonating truck bombs to kill hundreds of their fellow Americans in a crowded marketplace?? I don't think so.
The people who do such things are ***** up in the head. I'm someone who believes in personal responsibility, personal accountability, and personal blame. So if you decide to premeditatedly detonate a truck-bomb in a crowded civilian area, then you've nobody else to blame except yourself. - DruSam, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10So...does anyone still think this whole war thing was a good idea?
- deadowl, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15You know, every time I see a story about a suicide bomb in Iraq, I die a little inside. I know too many people that have been sent over there, and I wouldn't want to lose them.
- Eryin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I was watching this on the news today.
My Cousin who is visiting from China thought that "150" was the total number of deaths so far.
When i told him that this was just the number of deaths from one incident he wouldn't believe me.
It is so shocking that this many people can die, in a few hours, people don't want to accept the fact.
I don't know where i'm going with this comment. - bariswheel, on 10/11/2007, -12/+20People don't realize this but this is a weekly occurrence there. Every morning listening to the radio, I hear another one of these, and ask myself why I listen to the news every morning. I guess I'm destined to take the red pill.
This ***** 'War' has lasted more than both World Wars. It's time for it to end. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Funny thing is, life in Iraq was much better before it was invaded.
- KhanSW, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7To the digger that said it was better in Iraq before we came obviously has never been to Iraq. I'm sure I will get dugg down by this but so be it, I was over there and let me tell you what the Iraqis told me.
They told me that they were thankful we were there, that before we came they had no life and feared what little they had because of Saddam and his sons would kill anybody, including children in the streets to get their way. Don't believe me, try asking an Iraqi Kurd how he feels about us being there, or did you not pay attention when Saddam tried having all the Iraqi Kurds eliminated by killing over 80,000 of them in 1998 using chemical weapons. And don't get me started on how women had absolutely no rights whatsoever in that country prior to us coming. Let someone get mad at you in Iraq before we came and just accuse you of being a prostitute, there was no trial, just a simple beheading in front of everyone including your family just because someone "said".
I never understood why the people of Iraq were not afraid of semi-automatic and fully automatic rifles until I was told this story. The Iraqi's told me that because there are always been violence in their country for years everyone carried an AK-47 practically for protection and celebration (they shoot them in the air for weddings, etc). But when a US soldier pulled out a pistol they all became fearful. This was because Saddam's elite guards carried pistols and when one of them pulled theirs out someone died. So to them the pistol meant death while the rifle meant life as they knew it.
These people want peace whether you want to believe it or not, and for that reason alone many of them have become Iraqi National Guards or Iraqi police for the low sum of $175 a month knowing damn well they are painting a target on their backs to the insurgents. You don't hear about how many Iraqi people have died because they did this, only about how many of us have died. When I was there we were sitting at about 1,500 US soldiers dead from the war but the Iraqi people were sitting at around 30,000 of their brave people who were fighting for what they believed would finally be what they always wanted, a country with free speech and human rights.
So go on and continue believing what you will, and I will go on believing what I know, not because of what the media says, and not from what my friends tell me, but because I was there to witness it and to be told first hand from the people that lived it. - AK10, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I think he meant American involvement in those wars, and where did you get the idea he meant both wars combined?
- RoundysSince, on 10/11/2007, -7/+13This keeps happening because certain middle eastern people with power don't want a stable Iraq. I don't see how we could end it by leaving it all behind and pretending like it never happened.
"There are not enough forces to protect everywhere."
This quote from the article sounds like something I've heard before... oh I know
"Suppressing a rebellion in America posed problems. Since the colonies covered a large area and had not been united before the war, there was no central area of strategic importance. In Europe, the capture of a capital often meant the end of a war; in America, when the British seized cities such as New York and Philadelphia, the war continued unabated. Furthermore, the large size of the colonies meant that the British lacked the manpower to control them by force. Once any area had been occupied, troops had to be kept there or the Revolutionaries would regain control, and these troops were thus unavailable for further offensive operations. The British had sufficient troops to defeat the Americans on the battlefield but not enough to simultaneously occupy the colonies."
Go ahead, Digg me down. - jimmoses, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7The mindset of someone who would detonate a bomb in a marketplace is one in which people outside your own little group or de-humanised. Religion is a good way to achieve this, as is nationalism. The combination is particularly potent. Sadly, I do not think it is possible to de-program someone once they have suffered such psychological damage. By de-humanising their victims, the murderers sever any tie to real morality, and are unable to empathise with those outside their own group.
- crazybugger, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Sorry to say, but its just another day in iraq.
- jimmoses, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I doubt it. Contrary to what many Americans think, the refusal of the French to join in the war could, and /should/ have been interpreted for that is was - a friend trying to tell a friend that they are wrong. If the US had acted like adults, listened, and not started re-naming brands of fried potato products, they would be in a much better position now, and with a friendship intact.
- rowlodge, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9we forget this has gone on for generations, will this stop in our lifetime? , no
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4i wonder if kurds should declare independence.
- jimmoses, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I acknowledge that. Christians have done terrible things in the name of their religion also. Guess what? There's a common thread here - religion. More generally, dogmatic movements which separate the world into people in their group, and people out of it. In this I include nationalist movements, political movements and so on. And they all have the potential to be terrible things. Right now however, extreme Islam is the leader in brutality.
- MurphyWatson, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Its not going to end when we leave, thats naive thinking. The reason we should get out, above all else, is because the Iraqi people have called for us to get out in demonstrations, and in their parliament.
- mtrip, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Ever notice that there are people on the left (I'm a liberal btw) who don't seem to believe there are evil people in the world besides American politicians? Someone said above that these bombings were really CIA commandos. Others try and connect the dots to Bush, and never bring up the actual human beings on the ground who are killing people everyday. Imagine if Americans just blatantly bombed civillian markets daily; the left would be in a uproar, but there is not so much as a peep of concern or anger toward these "freedom fighters" or whatever they're called by the left nowadays.
People on the right are ignorant in their own way (nuke em' all, turn it into a glass parking lot!), but we should really clean house for ourselves first before we get into that.
How about these simple facts. The insurgents are evil. They are religious fanatics bent on imposing a totalitarian rule on their country, and when we leave the civil war will probably escalate into attempted genocide by one side against the other, especially when one side eventually gains control of the country. The civilians killed by the Insurgents are as much of an injustice as any Iraqi wrongly killed by U.S. forces. And they are not "freedom fighters." At all. - BESTenemy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3If you think things were bad during Hussein's era, you are correct, however it was to the same extent due to our involvement. We sponsored distabilization in the Middle East and are continuing to do so. Our goal is not to win or loose, but to keep them in the stone age, and though that inhibiting relationships between European fossil fuel producers and consumers. We're fighting for the sake of distabilization. Not for the victory.
http://www.marxist.com/images/stories/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg - tehpwnrate, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Just so long as you're not trying to compare Muj murderers to the revolutionaries in colonial America, your point is very valid. We never seem to learn from history (not even our own).
- ornellasm, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10World War I - 4 years
World War II - 6 years
combined 10 years
Iraq War - 4.2 years roughly
Even if you didn't combine them, this definitely hasn't lasted as long as WWII... - IbnDigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Unfortunately there are many people who still think this. Even in the UK. Not sure what it will take to convince them otherwise, maybe if someone in their own family gets caught up in this nightmare? (God forbid.) Then maybe they won't be able to abstractly support this nightmare that we created.
- darkamster07, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3would it be worng to leave just to save our own skin? on no moral or progressive agenda? just asking
- Tippis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3...it has been happening since, oh, about 1000BC, with intermittent stretches of peace during which some random dictator managed to grab enough power to keep it under control. The advent and influence of christianity and of islam only perpetuated a struggle that was already going on.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3yea i remember how it was fought. and no that doesnt make any sense, unless you mean we should drop a nuclear bomb on iraq... what good will that do?
oh wait let me guess-- kill'em all? gee, you and gwbush would get along great!
moron... - jimmoses, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Anyone who has any sort of perspective on the second world war wouldn't be wishing the likes of it again. You are mistaken if you think global carnage is better than the situation in Iraq. Mistaken or a psychopath.
- spyd3rweb, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5I think its either about time the US started using tactics that allow it to actually win this war, or else it should just leave now. Anyone remember how WWII was fought?
- jimmoses, on 10/11/2007, -6/+8Perpetrated by followers of the religion of peace, on followers of a different sect of the religion of peace. God can't lose!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Fail. I have reported your offensive comment to the FBI. You seem be one of them terrorists.
- rowlodge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3it's a religious war ,this has gone on since biblical times.
- lebaige, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5What's depressing is that people living in the modern age actually feel those kind of actions are in any way justified. We're dealing with barbarians who have no concept of right and wrong, only their desire for power and their hatred for another religious sect.
The United States could walk out today and the killing will continue. In fact it will probably skyrocket. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6That is true but you can't ignore the fact that Christians have killed thousands of civilians as well.
- Powerlock, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2130+ dead, as it seems. And they are expecting more attacks like this...
- iranian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Islam is the religion of piece, not Wahhabism.
Hint: There are diverse interpretations of Islam. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"We're dealing with barbarians who have no concept of right and wrong, only their desire for power and their hatred for another religious sect."
were you referring to bush or bin laden? seriously. - iranian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Because they'll be thrown out of the govt if they do that.
- KhanSW, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Exentropic:
You are obviously right I did misprint the total but was unable to edit it by the time I had noticed the mistake (damn 2 minute timer). 80,000 was the population total, the causalities from the chemical attack were around 1,500 and it was 1988 not 1998 (another mistake I noticed after the fact). I do not want to mislead anyone, hence the reason for the correction and I thank you for pointing it out to me. Regardless of the fact I still stand by everything else I posted. - Khal3d, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I'm Iraqi myself. Although Saddam's ruling party was committing crimes against humanity, it was all better than what's happening now.
Although Saddam used to kill, he also secured the country from terrorists and crimes.
By the way, I'm not pro Saddam or anything, but unfortunately the US invasion hasn't helped Iraqis that much. Who knows what the CIA is doing behind everybody's back !! What I mean is that Iraqis ( the majority ) think that the US is behind the sectarian war in Iraq, that's because everybody knows that the CIA made Osamah Bin Laden and his gang. So it's not hard for them to do what they did in Vietnam. - skytimelapse, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Nobody here is calling suicide bombers freedom fighters, especially 'the left'. The fact that you said that makes me think you aren't left at all.
- spyd3rweb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1isn't it a 'Global' war on terror?
- mtrip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I just love it when straight facts get buried.
- tehpwnrate, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You're kidding, right? Just because the killings and genocide happened off of mass media news channels and behind closed doors doesn't mean it was nice. And let's not forget how many Iraqi troops were slaughtered because their leader took up an impossible war of invasion against his neighbors, facing a NATO force that was beyond anything they had. The Iraqis have traded secret police and torture facilities for suicide bombers, but to say that somehow it's better makes no sense.
- SassyGurl, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2But isn't Islam supposed to be "The Religion of Peace"? Why do they kill so many people? (Look at what the jihadis are doing in Lebanon, Thailand, Gaza...Britain...India...etc...etc.
Maybe its being spelled wrong...it should read: "The Religion of PIECES"??? - ScoobyG, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I feel sick.
- mtrip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1George Galloway regularly calls them freedom fighters, and Cindy Sheehan (sp?) also. I've heard it numerous times. And I'm on the left, by only by default. It's just that I despise so much about the right that I kind of ended up amongst people I despise slightly less.
- jimmoses, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1arTech, I think you mis-understood me. I said and mean mean today. Burning people at the stake is probably pretty much as gruesome as I can imagine. But Christians do not do this today and put videos of the process on youtube. People who claim to be Muslims DO behead people and put that on youtube. If you have evidence to the contrary I would be interested to know about it.
- LastVisibleDog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The Iraqi government is not asking us to get out.
- iranian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"it's a religious war ,this has gone on since biblical times"
That's not true. Educate yourself about the history of Middle East. - LastVisibleDog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah, good thing the US economy is not totally dependent on oil.....no....wait.....nevermind
- LastVisibleDog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You just refuted your own point - Al Qaeda is mostly in Iraq right now and their recruitment is focused on getting people to go to Iraq so we can fight them in one place (and the one place is not the US). Iraq was and is a "war on terror" - Iraq was a rouge nation that had used WMD against there own people and seemed willing to provide terrorists with funds, armaments and/or WMD - Iraq was also violating their terms of surrender from the Gulf War.
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