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- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -4/+35You can't go through an experience like war without changing. You are never the same as you were before the experience whether you admit it or not.
Dugg - akkibaba, on 04/18/2008, -0/+17And of course we have no money to treat these soldiers who are suffering these problems for our sake. Brilliant.
- RogerTourbiner, on 04/18/2008, -1/+14This is horrible news. I wonder how it compares to returning soldiers from Vietnam?
- SolidForce, on 04/18/2008, -0/+12...and they keep cutting mental health left and right. Here in Los Angeles they cut another 10,000 beds for the mentally ill. Where will they end up? Jail or the streets. It is truly a sad day indeed.
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -9/+20How many Tim McVeighs are in that group? Do you feel safer yet?
- Portezbie, on 04/18/2008, -0/+10This article fails to mention all the female soldier who are returning from war with psychological trauma due to being sexually assaulted while doing their tours. Another issue that I think factors in here is that, from what I've heard, a lot of soldier are going to iraq and afganistan with mental problems and psychological disorders that they had before they even became soldiers and this is largely a result do to lowered recruiting standards due to staggeringly decreasing enlistment numbers.
- 9bpm9, on 04/18/2008, -0/+7You're brainwashed from day 1 in boot camp, it's no surprise. Every military is like these, humans usually don't naturally feel the urge to go kill people, unless they're nuts.
- mytibt, on 04/18/2008, -0/+7Yet their commander in chief is the CRAZIEST one
- dannyboy3020, on 04/18/2008, -1/+7The problem is that these numbers don't tell us much.
"A February assessment by the U.S. Army that showed 17.9 percent of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan suffering from acute stress, depression or anxiety in 2007"
What is the rate amongst the general public? Obviously it will be lower, but how much lower? - inactive, on 04/18/2008, -0/+6Are you nuts? There is no way Obama is going to "get us out" of anything!!
When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan...........The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan. .........That is why my plan would maintain sufficient forces in the region to target al Qaeda within Iraq......As President, I would deploy at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan..........As President, I would increase our non-military aid by $1 billion. ..............As 9/11 showed us, the security of Afghanistan and America is shared......This is the wild frontier of our globalized world.......If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will. ........... the second step in my strategy will be to build our capacity and our partnerships to track down, capture or kill terrorists around the world,............We need to recruit, train, and equip our armed forces to better target terrorists, and to help foreign militaries to do the same........I will also strengthen our intelligence....This is not just about our security. It is about the common security of all the world.
As President, I will create a Shared Security Partnership Program to forge an international intelligence and law enforcement infrastructure to take down terrorist networks from the remote islands ofIndonesia, to the sprawling cities of Africa.........And that is why, as President, I will lead a global effort to secure all nuclear weapons and material at vulnerable sites ...........I will double our annual investments to meet these challenges to $50 billion by 2012. And I will support a $2 billion Global Education Fund .........In the first 100 days of my Administration, I will travel to a major Islamic forum and deliver an address to redefine our struggle.........
http://www.cfr.org/publication/13974/
Obama wants war, not peace. - inactive, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5bizzzay- I found the military both rewarding and insane. It change the way I look at my fellow American. We were mostly a bunch of 18 year olds from all over the country who had to learn to work as a unit.Color didn't matter. Religion didn't matter. The only thing that mattered in boot camp was learning all you can so you don't endanger the life of the guy next to you.Your life depends on the guy next to you as much as his depends on you. I would not trade the experience for anything, but, I wish I were still able to go and fight instead of the young people who go there.
Your life is going to be far different. I urge you to do as many pushups and as much hiking as possible between now and the time you enlist. The better physical condition you are in before you go the more you will be able to concentrate on what you are about to learn.
I wish you well and hope you are able to come back and tell us of your experience but more than that I wish our involvement in Iraq ends before you go. - xtinamo, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5I find the denial that our society has towards mental illness extremely unnerving. It is crucial that we finally lift this taboo and recognize that everyday people are seriously suffering from mental disorders and deserve to be treated just like any other physical illness.
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6i'm sorry, i just have to ask this question somewhere:
Did Digg just censor the video about the kid threatening to kill the President? That's out of character for them. The Secret Service must have just raided digg or something. It isn't off YouTube, though. - inactive, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6Just as stupid as the first time you posted it.
- fkr3, on 04/18/2008, -3/+8That's assuming they were sane before the war. There were tv commercials in Australia a few years back that said either in 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 people have a mental illness. War certainly wouldn't be helping one little bit but some percentage of soldiers are going to already have some mental illness before they even enlist. It's sad that 300,000 people are suffering from mental illnesses they never had to have now.
- billyjack1958, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4Obama??!! You need to listen more closely to what he is saying and you also need to check his voting record....and then compare his speeches to those made by Bush when he was trying to get elected in 2000. Obama won't be getting us out of Anything and in fact, he'll have us in Pakistan and Iran before we can blink.
- johnno74, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4Nice call.. Thats one of the most insightful things I've read on digg.
- diggymow, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4No, not really.
- StanleyKoolPrik, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5Before of after enlisting?
- iLEZ, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5More like "Shooting people in the face and seeing buddies getting torn to shreds by IEDs happens, and it will haunt you for the rest of your life".
- digbird, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4I wonder about the way this study is reported in Reuters. If you are in a place where you might get hit by an IED or have a mortar round drop on top of you, you are going to get tense and wound-up and worry about things. When you leave a place like that and come home, it's going to take time for it to wear off. But does that mean you are "mentally ill" or are just coming back from a stressful situation and reacting normally to it?
I also think that we have to separate post-traumatic stress disorder from traumatic brain injury. The former is psychological and the latter is neurological.
Finally, I think people ought to be very careful about stereotyping our veterans as "broken." If you want to read a great book about how that happened --very unfairly-- to Vietnam veterans, check out "Stolen Valor." It's a very good book that debunks a lot of myths about veterans from that war being all damaged goods.
http://www.amazon.com/Stolen-Valor-Vietnam-Generat ... - TheTruthHurts, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4this is sad
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4Great observation.
I guess that's the "party of personal responsibility" for you. - Schizotypal, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3"Billed as the first large-scale nongovernmental survey of its kind..."
Well, not exactly
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstrac ... - RadiatedAnt, on 04/18/2008, -3/+6you mean Americas doping of society says 300,000 troops suffer.
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4Yeah, those ***** freeloading soldiers, always looking for a handout.
Jerk. - iLEZ, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4I just spent some time on crimelibrary reading about serial killers, and it struck me how many of the (american) serial killers had spent time in the military.
- hellotyler, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3We will never learn from history ? I learn from History every single day and it effects my future decisions. We have learned a LOT from history throughout the years! You are dumb as a pile of rocks.
- Hacker3dward, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2I have several family members that have psychosis, schizophrenia, and insomnia from Vietnam and WWII, hell I had a great grandfather that had them from WWI. I've had to live with all three conditions nearly my entire life.
- 9bpm9, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2And yet we hold one of the largest militaries in the world, even if you take it as the percentage of our population, by far.
- LumpyRevolution, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2... and Cheney cut all the promised health benefits because they "are too expensive"... HELLO?????
- Murrabbit, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Wow amazing that that's almost the exact number of Vets who spend at least part of the year homeless. . . but then I'm sure that that is completely coincidental and we should all believe conservatives when they tell us that Homeless people are just lazy bums not worthy of our attention.
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2I just looked at your profile. You have never made a comment that had a positive rating. You add nothing to any conversation but bitterness and extreme jealousy of the men and women that defend your right to be bitter and jealous.
So, as I bury your statement, you will have the rare honor of be one of the few that I place on my block list. But, before you are sent off into oblivion, read and understand the words of Tony Blair:
"Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom." - inactive, on 04/18/2008, -4/+6I also love the catch phrase "They're fighting fo yo freedums" repeated over and over in the media as if that makes it true
- ripple123, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Id say in their line of work, knowing their weapons inside out is prolly very healthy.
- dannyboy3020, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2How do we know they weren't mentally ill before they went to war? We can probably make an educated guess, but we do not know.
- chrisk9, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2The true costs to the Iraq war are just getting started...
- nwoantibody, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2"And of course we have no money to treat these soldiers who are suffering these problems for our sake. Brilliant."
So, how is your sake related to the bombing of countries unrelated to yours? For your sake? Listen, for your sake, they should be at the Mexico border. - SolidForce, on 04/18/2008, -3/+4What does it matter? Almost a fifth of the people coming back from the war are mentally ill. Who cares what the public numbers are...
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2actually its not out of character at all. 5 out of 6 videos that get popular from /b/ spam will get deleted from the front page within 10 minutes
- jo21, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1they and the average gringo.
- billyjack1958, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Never forget that the day we invaded Iraq the population was estimated to be 59% aged 12 and under. We invaded a country full of kids that didn't attack us. I feel the high rate of innocence being slaughtered over there is contributing significantly to this heartbreaking statistic.
- forceflow2, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1I can't help but point out the irony in this post.
- rasinhussy, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1You as a single person can and does learn from his/her history and makes decisions everyday based on your past experiences. I'm talking about history as a whole society. Why would you call me as dumb as a pile of rocks, are you 12 or something?
- hellotyler, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2A total of 1112684 personnel are on active duty within the United States.
300,000 (at the very least) of them suffer mental problems.
Eeeeek! - hellotyler, on 04/18/2008, -3/+4How is the death of innocent people from our bombing campaigns not murder ? Or other innocents shot up from stray bullets ? Collateral damage is not acceptable to me. What if it was you on the other side? Would YOUR death be acceptable in the name of liberty?
- ScoobyG, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1NPR has been reporting on this for a while. No care for the veterans? It's beyond shameful.
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