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- Aidenag, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20only the braindeads thought we were in some "New" era of danger.. Nations and leaders have been using this excuse since the days when Iraq was called Sumaria.
Its a shame how few people realize how old the tactics bieng used to scare the population are.. - mockstar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Who needs to send them to Guantanamo when you can just shoot them?
- mabhatter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3but it's not that many americans dying (versus Iraquies) so they don't count.. unless you're one of those terrorist sympathysers that thinks "all people are equal" or something....
- dallen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm certainly no Republican, but isn't the more important stat the number of attacks in the US (zero)?
- nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3>Who needs to send them to Guantanamo when you can just shoot them?
DING DING!
We have a WINNAR! - chase001, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7But wait... I thought Karl (Miss Piggy) Rove and Dick (the Penguin) Cheney said the Democrats were the ones with the pre-9/11 mindset?
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I love the way the goverment atcs as if things have returned to normal, despite daily bombings in Iraq, and a monthly death toll greater than 9/11.
- MarkCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4There will be terror attacks soon enough, afterall, the Republicans are set to lose the upcoming elections, Bush and Co can't have that happen, can they?
- allenu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Of course it's at a pre-9/11 rate. It's 9/4, a week before 9/11.
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3More people die from falling off ladders than from terrorism... Many many more die from firearms, car crashes, tobacco, and pollution. All this fear-mongering about terrorism is just a way to keep Bush looking like some kind of hero.
- icebrk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5That's right, who needs to prosecute when you can just send em to Guantanamo.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5For those who are interested (or the Republicans who will claim that this report indicates that terrorism is down) you can see how terrorism rates are increasing by using the MIPT terrorism database. Rates have skyrocketed since the Iraq invasion:
http://www.tkb.org/Home.jsp
Naturally, Republicans say that terrorism is increasing because "we've got them on the run." If terrorism rates decrease, they will say it is because we're "winning the war on terror." You can see how self-serving these explanations are. - helix400, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"You're unable to distinguish between terrorism prosecutions (down) and terrorism incidents (up)."
Really Then why did I say this?
"Or perhaps the report is basically meaningless, as it tries to track terrorism by the number of terror cases brought to court." - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Who needs to shoot them when you can just encase them in a weighted plexiglass bubble and anchor them to the bottom of the sea?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1bourbon:
>The MIPT... of COURSE they are going to craft statistics to say that global terrorism is at a dramatic increase...
It's hard to "fix" the database, since all the incidents are documented as to place of occurance, time, etc. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The current terror alert level is rainbow.
- bourbonbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2to quote David Cross (loosely) ... "does anybody know what the terror alert is now? orange? fuscia? ... no? ... you know why nobody knows... CAUSE NOBODY GIVES A *****!"
- helix400, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2bigdavediode,
I said it not to sow confusion, but to explain that there are complexities.
So while you say "terrorism prosecutions are down, and terrorism has skyrocketed"...I wonder how much of this skyrocketing terrorism is due to Iraq, and to a lesser part, Afghanistan. If you take those two countries out of the picture, then how do terrorism incidents change? That's part of what I was getting at. - ashooner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Mejogid
Yes, but not an AMERICAN death toll.
Haven't you seen any soldier footage from Iraq?
'Hajis' don't count.
Yes, i totally agree with you. - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Indeed. I bet money that we will have a 'terror alert' right before the elections. Hopefully Americans are smarter now. Hopefully.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Bully:
>Hopefully, we're covertly assassinating a large majority of them.
That would be the smart thing to do -- kill the hornets quietly and efficiently so as not to stir up the nest.
Now, what do you suppose Bush would do? Please keep in mind that Bush is an utter moron. - appleann1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Are you people for real? You claim the Gov says things are pre 911, everything is hunky dorey. On the other hand Bush is trying to scare the hell out of us. Which is it, you're days of having it both ways are over. As far as prosecutions being down, thank the ACLU, due to their constant interfering with every step taken to stop terrorism, itotally agree, take no prisoners, problem solved. This is war, and the Dems can not be trusted with these serious issues. They are in bed with the ACLU.
Watch "The Path to 911" on ABC Sept 10&11,your questions will all be answered. - Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1bigdavediode wrote:
> That would be the smart thing to do -- kill the hornets quietly and efficiently so
> as not to stir up the nest.
Not really. It'd only be quiet for "us". If your buddy just disappeared one day, you're going to notice whether the people two countries away do or not. The people affected by the disappearance of an individual--the people you don't want to notice--are guaranteed to notice.
Really, it'd be in an organization's best interest to let its people know that it's doing its "job". There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but...
> Now, what do you suppose Bush would do? Please keep in mind that Bush is
> an utter moron.
Heh, yeah. Given the trumped up cases like those 6 in Miami, this administration is like a bunch of children trying to get the adults to pay attention to their "talent show". - chase001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Declaring war on things you can't declare war on is the Republican means of embezzling huge sums of money from our treasury with little or no Congressional oversight - the war on drugs, the war on poverty, the war on illiteracy and the war on terror.
- bourbonbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@bigdave
The MIPT... of COURSE they are going to craft statistics to say that global terrorism is at a dramatic increase... they get their funding from the RAND instituite & the department of homeland insecurity... if they didn't say so they'd lose their funding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Memorial_Institute_for_the_Prevention_of_Terrorism - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Helix:
>"Or perhaps the report is basically meaningless, as it tries to track terrorism by the number of terror cases brought to court."
Yeah, why did you say this? My impression is that you're trying to sow confusion and doubt about the facts on the ground. It's very clear what the facts are: terrorism prosecutions are down, and terrorism has skyrocketed. Whether you think the number is meaningless or not is meaningless itself. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Helix:
>I've been hearing the opposite. Before this report, those who are anti-Bush would say: "Terrorism is up since 9/11 as a result of Bush's arrogant foreign policies."
>Now with the report, I'm hearing "Terrorism is the same now since 9/11, and it has nothing to do with Bush's policies, but the world returning to normal."
Then you're hearing only what you want to hear. The facts are that terrorism has skyrocketed after the Iraq invasion. Whether or not you attribute that to the invasion or try to come up with an excuse is up to you.
You're unable to distinguish between terrorism prosecutions (down) and terrorism incidents (up). - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1But the entire world hates us now. We have more enemies, and have caused more hate. It is worse now.
- angusm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Doesn't this prove that we are winning the War on Terror? That nice Mr Bush told us that we were fighting the terrorists in Iraq so we wouldn't have to fight them over here. Since we're apparently not fighting them over here any more, the strategy must have worked.
Notice that the number of orange alerts - a reliable and impartial indicator of the actual danger we face - has also dropped off recently. To anyone who fails to accept this as conclusive proof of success of the actions taken by our wise and good leaders, all I can say is "Why do you hate America?" - helix400, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5bigdavediode,
I've been hearing the opposite. Before this report, those who are anti-Bush would say: "Terrorism is up since 9/11 as a result of Bush's arrogant foreign policies."
Now with the report, I'm hearing "Terrorism is the same now since 9/11, and it has nothing to do with Bush's policies, but the world returning to normal."
It's as if Bush is to blame when things to bad, but Bush isn't the cause when things go good.
There is a perfectly valid third option, that "Terrorism is going down as a result of worldwide cooperation on the War on Terror, Iraq and Afghanistan not included" For some reason though, those who are anti-Bush prefer to act as if this option didn't exist.
Or perhaps the report is basically meaningless, as it tries to track terrorism by the number of terror cases brought to court.
But then, maybe I'm pointing out too many facts, and I should be automatically censored at -10 just for posting. That is, after all, what you said should happen to people like me posting such views. - mabhatter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0so the war on terror is won now!!!!
We've beaten back the threat of evil terrorists.. wonder if we're still funding any with illegal "arms for hostages" type schemes? - BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4I always try to look for a bright side to every story.
Hopefully, we're covertly assassinating a large majority of them.
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