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Stirring photos of the Tibetan protests

cryptome.cn — Amazing photos of the unrest in ethnic Tibetan. Really stirring. More here: http://cryptome.cn/tibet080315/tibet080315.htm

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  • alanocu, on 03/18/2008, -3/+29thanks for posting this and the additional link - very moving images
    • sanman, on 03/18/2008, -6/+5These types of riots will happen even in Siberia one day, when enough Chinese migrants flood in to take it over, marginalizing the locals.
      • illegalamigo, on 03/18/2008, -4/+3lol wut

        irrelevant x 10,000
        • themastersb, on 03/18/2008, -1/+5No. This is irrelevant: Damn Mongolians always breaking down Chinese wall.
        • ShrimpCrackers, on 03/18/2008, -1/+4I'm thread jacking but both these photo pages are mostly "sterilized".
          So I've posted a link to a Tibetan site that uses Slideshow Pro that has two folders of pictures on top taken the past 2 days. Yes there are pics of shot up Tibetan people that you won't see in the media. There are dead Tibetan bodies shot up with Chinese bullets. This is what the Chinese Government has worked so hard to hide, the fact that they're shooting innocent civilians again a la Tienanmen Square style:

          http://www.phayul.com/photogallery/flash/2008/
          • ShrimpCrackers, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3Phayul is not my site but we shouldn't have pics from XINHUA (notice .cn or .China). They will never publish pictures that makes the Tibetans look good. China just told the Western media that they didn't use guns, but yet I just posted a link to a photo gallery that proves otherwise. Tibetans are being shot and you can tell just by the photos of the bullet holes on the corpses.
          • hypertension, on 03/18/2008, -0/+0Horrible... thanks for posting this.
      • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -8/+2In Soviet Russia, siberian riots happen to YOU!!
    • Hangly, on 03/18/2008, -1/+2Actually you see soldiers on the street most of the time anyway...
    • jimmyleeca, on 03/24/2008, -0/+0hasn't russian killed the last real siberian local and started claiming themself as local?
    • judychung1980, on 04/05/2008, -0/+0Hehe, I think MEXICO WANTS CALIFORNIA BACK!!!!!!!!!

      http://digg.com/politics/Mexico_reconquers_Califor ...

      VIVA MEXICO!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • supernova17, on 03/18/2008, -7/+61It's incredible that CNN or any other media source doesn't devote any time to this event. I'm amazed that leaders are ignoring mass killings in Africa, Tibet and other places around the world.
    • apc3161, on 03/18/2008, -4/+27I don't blame them. They are just trying to make a profit and putting stuff on TV that people want to see. I blame the American people for having their priorities out of wack.

      go to cnn.com/video and go to the "most popular" section.

      It's all ***** about Paul McCartney's Divorce, some polar bear lawsuit, and "Iranian raps for woes".

      There is this movement in this country calling for "direct democracy". Every time I hear that I get scared...Right now our leaders totally f'ing suck. Of course that is because f'ing morons vote for them. I couldn't imagine the day where those idiots actually got to vote directly.

      I love the constitution. It gives the people basic rights that can't be compromised and protect many people from the majority. If the average American had his way, police wouldn't need warrants to search you or your property. Afterall "if you have nothing to hide, whats the big deal?" They would say its worth it for the added security. Kind of off topic, but the final point is that on many issues, not all, this country is terrifyingly ignorant and moronic.
      • bugsy187, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3Don't you think there's some filtering of what news the American public receives? Do you think a news story's relevance to business has an affect on what is stressed in the mainstream?
        • apc3161, on 03/18/2008, -0/+4I'm sure there is some filtering as to whats politically correct and whats not. We've all read the stories about this administration pressuring stations to stay silent about certain issues. But regardless, when you look at what gets the most ratings, its crap like American Idol.

          The point of these news companies is to make money. If they talk about Britney Spears and get 10 million viewers, or talk about politics (real politics, not the drama politics that we now see on TV) and only get 2 million viewers. Obviously they will pick Spears.

          Look at C-Span. They have some real good shows on that station. It's ratings are terrible.
      • heliox, on 03/18/2008, -0/+2It's always the fault of the American people.
        I've been sitting here with CNN on for the past couple hours, and this whole Tibet thing has been on more than anything else.
    • makkaveli19, on 03/18/2008, -9/+5we need to stop the terrists to protect our freedom.
      • zinc6471, on 03/18/2008, -3/+6now how much freedom are you willing to give up to have freedom?
        • countmischief, on 03/18/2008, -2/+1Thats oxymoronic, Just because 3,000 people were killed doesn't mean we have to punish 300,000,000 and kill over 300,000. Good foreign policy would not lead to more terrorist attacks, neutrality would lead to reconciliation.
        • d03boy, on 03/18/2008, -0/+6he was being sarcastic...
        • CryRightardCry, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1He's willing to give up all of yours.
          Must be a Republican.
    • isaactwito, on 03/18/2008, -3/+3The killing has been going on for decades. The media has been not covering it for a long time, people have been ignoring it for a long time, our politicians haven't given a damn for a long time, this is really nothing new. The fact that it's been a problem for so long (hell, for all of human history) is what is really sad. The world has spent too long in this situation. Everyone wants peace, everyone wants a better world. Talk to anyone and they'll tell you they don't want killing. War is over if you want it. People want it, let's end the ***** fighting already.
    • nitsnipe, on 03/18/2008, -0/+5Up next in the news: Lindsay Lohan's new found cleavage.

      The above statement tells you indirectly why us digger and millions of other internet users want net neutrality so much, because when other constantly shove garbage down your throat it gets REALLLLYYY annoying.
      • jamie191817, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1lindsay is hot, but i couldnt agree more. isnt CNN.com deserving of its proportion of net neutrality also?
    • smacksaw, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3TV coverage requires video. That's why it's so critically important for people to record things like this. Pictures don't do it justice.
    • theskyisblue, on 03/18/2008, -0/+2Welcome to America, UN, and the EU. Nothing new here.
    • Pritchard, on 03/18/2008, -0/+2I wish some leaders would do something about us being in Iraq. Well no I don't, because we love one-sided arguments right now...

      USA: "***** it's not bad to invade Iraq. We had a moral responsibility there!"
      China: "GTFO of the middle east. We trade there and you're messing things up. We have a moral obligation to do something about it."
      USA: "wtf china stfu how dare u!!! dis is an act of global warz!!!!!"

      I wish more people realize that problems such as these are social issues, and sometimes a baseless political movement can actually undo a lot of hard work the social movements put forth to try and make people realize on their own, rather than have a politician force them to believe, what is right. Sanctions sound like a nice, peaceful way to avoid the issue of going to war or giving money and having it go to warlords, but sanctions kill people and are an act of war on their own.

      The only real, non-social way of getting nations like this to change is to basically invade and take the nation over. If you think you can invade, impose sanctions, or whatever, without causing some long-lasting trouble, then you are delusional or ignorant. The cases where this has worked are very, very specific, and very few.

      Now while invading may seem hostile, and while I advocate non-interventionism, it allows you to declare your goals precisely and possibly gain a new state. You gain severe levels of freedom in how you can run the country and build it, and possibly even turn a profit. The only real problems that come up with this (other than the invasion and takeover itself), are that empires and related bodies tend not to want to let go of their child bodies.
    • mutz, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1China is going to help america's biggest financial institutions out of their problems... Not good to put Tibet .. This is coming to our 'free' western world sooner then you think... Capitalism married with communism... the best way to keep the plebs down
    • jimmyleeca, on 03/24/2008, -0/+0they did report daily, and their reports are full of errors and lies. The logic is black and white: any claim from tibetan: Cool and right; any claim from china: ***** and wrong. Damn CNN and MSNBC
  • Jookly, on 03/18/2008, -4/+17dammit I feel helpless when i look at those
  • stellar510, on 03/18/2008, -3/+3ditto. thank you for spreading the word...
  • TEHxINTERWEBS, on 03/18/2008, -1/+19Those cop suits look like the ones from The Fifth Element.
    • smacksaw, on 03/18/2008, -2/+1They're checking all of the Tibetans for their Multipass, but they all want a Free Tibet. They don't want to pay for the Multipass.
    • godplaysdnd, on 04/07/2008, -0/+0TEAM CHINA! ***** YEAH!!!!
  • INDOAZZ, on 03/18/2008, -6/+6Brings the bumper sticker FREE TIBET new meaning.
    • Hangly, on 03/18/2008, -0/+7What's the new meaning?
    • countmischief, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3"free tibet"
      "I'll take it"
      "Hello China I have something you might want, but its going to cost you... thats right.... all the tea!"
  • djdavey, on 03/18/2008, -15/+12We should boycott the Olympics. You can help by casting your vote here...
    http://www.floort.com/show.php?fid=342&ftitle=The+ ...
    • Higgles, on 03/18/2008, -9/+4Using a peaceful event to flare up national tensions is about the worst thing anyone could do right now.
    • d03boy, on 03/18/2008, -7/+6how about we dont? It really wouldnt hurt china as much as it would hurt the athletes
    • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -2/+7I sure the hell am. I don't even like the summer olympics, anyway, so it won't be hard. Neither will boycotting the sponsors.
    • digggggggggg, on 03/18/2008, -1/+6I think that this article shows the real human loss that's involved in any sort of riot. I feel incredibly sorry for the people whose businesses and livelihood have been destroyed as a result of sociopolitical tension.

      For once, let's remember that the ethnic Chinese who are living there have the most to lose in this clash between the Tibetans and their government. For today, let's just give the "boycott the olympics" thing a rest.
    • bugsy187, on 03/18/2008, -2/+5You could make a case that America invades countries that can't defend themselves and it violates human rights in the process. Should we boycott the Olympics in America?
    • edgedmurasame, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3For those who wish to blame some western nation, China has outdone them in terms of humanity towards its own people - see the longer line of their misdeeds.
  • darthbob, on 03/18/2008, -1/+8Nice uniforms, police dudes.
  • philhatesyou, on 03/18/2008, -12/+12We're supposed to feel sorry for the Tibetans that are running a little anti-Han Chinese pogrom?
    • PoonGnarfler, on 03/18/2008, -4/+5Yes actually we are, because they are mostly peaceful protesters (including Tibetan Buddhist Monks, among the most peaceful people in the world) who are getting killed for those protests. If you felt like your rights and your Independence were being infringed upon, wouldn't you do the same?
      • tim04, on 03/18/2008, -3/+6like attacking innocent civilian stores and homes? I don't think so
        • nstanosheck, on 03/18/2008, -4/+5Exactly, anyone who looks at this with unbiased eyes will see the Han Chinese who have had their shops burned down and have been attacked violently. This has NOT been a peaceful protest like the Free Tibet movement in America and Europe wants to lead you believe.
        • jyac, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1take a look what is in this dude's hand in a peaceful protest. these ***** tibets bombed a bus and killed a you girl. what made them different than the commie's??????????

          http://club.6park.com/military/messages/53952.html
      • philhatesyou, on 03/18/2008, -1/+3"Tibetan Buddhist Monks, among the most peaceful people in the world"

        That isn't actually true. It's a bunch of ***** that's been fed to you, which you've been only too willing to swallow.
    • maledei, on 03/18/2008, -0/+4hard to ignore that those peaceful protesters indeed did burn down and loot han-chinese shops.
      • jyac, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1peaceful protesters???
        peaceful protester don't burn people to death, that's a ***** riot.
  • dozilla, on 03/18/2008, -10/+16definately not a first for china...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_prot ...
    • Wrangler76, on 03/18/2008, -7/+4Don't disrespectfully use that terrible event to compare to this one. These were violent rioters that looted stores and beat innocents. The police didn't even use guns this time. They just had their batons and shields. If they did, this would've ended in hours.
      • turdblossom1, on 03/18/2008, -7/+4***** off you chinese internet policeman! commie fag
        • alanfanfan, on 03/18/2008, -4/+0you son of bitch, screw u. you american idiot
      • Railz, on 03/18/2008, -1/+3Bad comparison about using guns. Guns were used in Kent state, and it actually ended up lasting days and going into a national student riot.
      • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -2/+4All China cares about is 'saving face' while securing it's power. Authoritarianism is *****.
      • ShrimpCrackers, on 03/18/2008, -0/+6Um, the photos I posted above proved that the Chinese government DID use guns. These Tibetans rioted after the monks were rounded up and some where shot.

        The same thing happened in Burma, it was a peaceful protest, and then the Burmese government decided it would be wise to start shooting up monks in an area where most of the people are Buddhist. At that point people rioted.
        • Wrangler76, on 03/18/2008, -0/+0Um, moron. The violent rioters were not shot - Western journalists and other tourists were in the area to confirm that. However, the picture of a monk dead from being shot apparently is from a Pro-Tibetan centre. They can say whatever the hell they want. Should you not question the validity of a photo? Oh right, they're not Chinese, so they COULDN'T have made up the caption. Ridiculous. You get dug up 5 times of course for saying something bad about China. ***** Digg.

          And that site, is an Anti-China site. THe pictures are zipped now and the unzipped pictures left are of the intimidating riot police and the "dead monks". Wow, I wonder what image of the riots they're trying to portray. Damn ignorance.
  • kuppoppo, on 03/18/2008, -19/+6Pretty crazy photos. As you guys know, the Chinese have restricted a lot of the media access to the protests and retributions. Some decent footage has been uploaded to YouTube in the last few days and is definitely worth checking out if you're interested in seeing the situation on the ground over there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
    • Coolone84, on 03/18/2008, -1/+7Bastard!
    • jpt62089, on 03/18/2008, -2/+4I love Greasemonkey! Digg Comment Enhancer is awesome! I knew that was Rick before I even clicked it! Before I fell for those links all the time!

      *****! Now I sound like an infomercial!
      • Bhima, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1I wasn't aware of Digg Comment Enhancer until now, thanks!!
    • Lythia, on 03/18/2008, -3/+5I'm currently in China and YouTube.com has been blocked by the great firewall. As soon as it was blocked, I figured it was because of this. Having a culture/identity forced upon you against your will, will only result in anguish. When it gets pent up long enough, it will inevitably explode. What China is doing to Tibet, feels like what we (the U.S.) are doing in Iraq nowadays.
  • PeTeRZz, on 03/18/2008, -6/+11This is a joke, why isn't this getting more coverage? Wake up people!
  • Thex1138, on 03/18/2008, -8/+9They can stuff there Olympics in their smoggy clouded cities then...No one will watch it...[we wont be able to see the athletes competing anyway]
  • Maevirko69, on 03/18/2008, -12/+22This can't be compared to Tiananmen Square in any stretch of the imagination. The Tibetan protesters came looking to cause violence as they knew this would garner the most international media coverage. They came to the protests with bricks and stones to throw at the police, and they ransacked shops owned by Han Chinese residents of Lhasa. They are by no means the innocent victims of the "evil Chinese authoritarian" government people make them out to be.
    • cutekelvins, on 03/18/2008, -4/+10Ever wondered why a chinese domain name (.cn) is still in existence despite the pics posted there. These pics are definitely one sided and biased. Xinhua will never provide pics showing china in a bad light.
      • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -4/+1Dugg down for telling the truth? OMGZORZ!
        • ShrimpCrackers, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3My god, some people on Digg have poor memories. Keep in mind that in the beginning it was just monks peacefully protesting. Then they were rounded up and some where SHOT. Now the Tibetans are rioting as a result.

          What? Impossible you say? That was exactly what happened in Burma and is exactly what was reported here. Just 3 days ago they said they held a vigil and everything for the Dalai Lama, the Chinese police came. They werent just rioting out of nowhere.

          If you have any idea of what its like under Chinese rule for so many decades you'd understand fully why they're *****.
      • Hangly, on 03/18/2008, -4/+1True.
    • munen123, on 03/18/2008, -6/+7*****, the chinese have been kill torturing monks and nuns for years! The policies that they have been enforcing in tibet has been horrible. they force them to speak mandiran instead of tibetan because they want to erase a sense of nation the tibetians have.

      mr wen is an asshole that lies every time he opens his mouth

      boycott china, make them wake up to the inhuman way they treat others
      • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -2/+4Amen, sister!
      • alanfanfan, on 03/18/2008, -4/+0u damn ***** *****, go screw your mother and do not think you know anything about china. ***** idiot.
      • nstanosheck, on 03/18/2008, -2/+2China is a land of many dialects. Mandarin is just required for all schools and government so that everyone from every province and Autonomous Region (which Tibet is) of China can communicate. That is a very good idea!
    • PoonGnarfler, on 03/18/2008, -6/+1So the Chinese government is just some holy angel coming down to save the Heathen Tibetans? lets be honest here, China has effectively invaded a autonomous country, one recognized by the United nations and one that has no intention or wanting to be ruled by the Chinese government. The government is Chinese, it is authoritarian, and while it may not be evil it certainly has been acting that way over the past week.
      • tim04, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3firstly, saying Tibet is an independent country is like saying North America belongs to the natives. Tibet has been on and off under Chinese control since the 13th century. More recently, before the Chinese civil war, it was part of China under the nationalist government. During the civil war, they took a chance to separate, but newly formed communist China came over to make sure that they weren't going anywhere. Not only that, the UN doesn't recognize Tibet as a country, maybe a special region like Taiwan or Macau.

        Also, not every Tibetan wants to go back to before, where most citizens were slaves to the monks.
    • Railz, on 03/18/2008, -4/+3I bet you think the Monks in Burma were looking for trouble to huh buddy?
    • Pritchard, on 03/18/2008, -3/+1Wow. Violence? Actually doing something about the oppression they feel? These people understand how to get things done better than we do here in the USA! We've gone 7 damned years here of big protests and signs which say mean things. The politicians don't care as much as you'd think, because we're not electing people based on policy. We're electing people based on "CHANGE!" - Which of course, every politician claims to have.

      /Rant
    • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -2/+4Chinese government is not known for being merciful when it comes to cracking down protests. But you are right, this time the Tibetans actually started it off violently. If the same thing were to happen in any other nation, they'd do the same thing.
      It's funny I even see news article stating that Sweden police was forced to use tear gas on Tibetan protestors too. And I don't see anyone complain about that.
  • apc3161, on 03/18/2008, -5/+5Right now in Taiwan, the party that is more open about talks with China and eventual reunification is leading in the polls.

    I wonder what effect this will have on that election. The Taiwanese are probably talking about raising their defense budget, and Macau and Hong Kong are probably dreading 2049 and 2047 respectively.

    I feel pretty bad for the SARS region. Especially since there is no censorship there and they have complete access to this information for now. Imagine if you knew your government was doing this crap and that eventually your rights were set to expire in a few decades. Must be terrifying.
    • azneggrollz, on 03/18/2008, -5/+3That's because the DPP has has a terrible president and the people of Taiwan want change. Additionally, if Ma gets elected he has already stated that he will not reunify with China (though the bastard opening ties with China will lead the way to China gaining influence in Taiwan). I'm going back to vote nonetheless and I'll be voting for the DPP. Ma is basically a puppet of the Chinese gov't.
      • apc3161, on 03/18/2008, -3/+4Yea, from what I've read, Shui Bian has done a pretty bad job. But I'm really curious now what will be more important, that, or the idea of a party that is willing to speak with China about cross straight relations and eventual reunification.
        • SonicPower, on 03/18/2008, -3/+3He's only done a bad job since the media surrounded in Taiwan is mainly funded by the KMT party.

          Taiwan's history is too bloody to be a part of anyone's country.
          • azneggrollz, on 03/18/2008, -1/+0exactly, almost all of the major media is controlled by blues.
      • macwac, on 03/18/2008, -1/+2I hope that at least whatever outcome there is for the elections that what has happened to Tibet won't happen to ROC
      • Kanidia, on 03/18/2008, -3/+4Yes vote DPP no matter what! Because you know, Taiwan's independence matters more than the FREAKING ECONOMY. Come on guys, it's not 1949 anymore. Snap out of it, Taiwan's economy's gonna crash if DPP keeps doing their anti-China crap.
        • azneggrollz, on 03/18/2008, -1/+0Ridiculous...learn a little about Taiwan before spouting this nonsense. Taiwan depends very little on China economically. Take a look at every statistic. "Taiwan's economy's gonna crash if DPP keeps doing their anti-China crap" Are you really that dense?
    • Wrangler76, on 03/18/2008, -5/+4What "crap" is the government doing? Protecting the citizens of Lhasa from getting their goddamn shops burnt down and them from being beaten to death? Seriously.. this anti-china instinct does not need to be turned on all the fricking time.
      • apc3161, on 03/18/2008, -3/+6If you read my other posts, you would know I'm the first person to condemn violence and the violation of private property and life. At the same time, the Chinese government doesn't allow the Tibetans to protest peacefully and doesn't concede to any of their demands, so while I don't endorse violence, I definitely see where they are coming from.
        • Wrangler76, on 03/18/2008, -1/+1They're attacking innocent civilians. It's just a poor mob taking advantage of the situation.
      • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -3/+2I'm always quick to say '***** Communism' on general principle. It doesn't work. The Tibetans are rioting because they're being invaded en masse, I don't do kinda sympathize with them. Violence against tyranny is justified.
        • tim04, on 03/18/2008, -0/+4then go stone the government buildings. civilian shops? seriously?
      • jimmyleeca, on 03/24/2008, -0/+0If they riot and get killed, it is what they should expect, nothing to whine about. Think about native indians.
    • Kanidia, on 03/18/2008, -1/+5I'm pretty sure by 2047 China's not going to remain an authoritarian state. The people are intelligent: the government will have to come to a realization sooner or later.
      • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1If there is hope, it lies in the proles.
    • jimmyleeca, on 03/24/2008, -0/+0realization other 55 races in china expect may be more brutal than what you think, how about learn from how native indians got handled by US just to be equal?
  • makkaveli19, on 03/18/2008, -7/+14it's confusing how we need to go to a country like iraq to help them become a "democracy" when there are african countries and tibet which are in a war and actually NEED our help. the saudi's and china have a far worst record of human rights violations than iraq, why are they being left alone.
    • holymrack, on 03/18/2008, -2/+7China doesn't have oil. We ( I use that incredibly loosely ) wouldn't want to get involved in anything that didn't have our (again..) best interest in mind, now would we?
    • munen123, on 03/18/2008, -1/+9the other reason we dont is that china would actually be hard to beat. also they have nukes...

      havent, you noticed that all the countries america fights are really really weak ones.
    • topgigmedia, on 03/18/2008, -3/+3and we um... still can't win... cough cough
    • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -1/+2Are you sure the other countries need OUR help? Just look what a mess we've left in Iraq. :/
  • Underwater07, on 03/18/2008, -8/+14I guess we have to be sympathetic to these religious fundamentalists. Life was so much better under the rule of the Llama's, right? Probably not, but we can all count on the Dali Llama and Co. playing off of our old archetypes of "the nobel savage". Lets all pat ourselves on the back.
    • turdblossom1, on 03/18/2008, -10/+4***** off you chinese internet policeman! commie fag
      • alanfanfan, on 03/18/2008, -5/+1screw you ***** *****. go eat your ***** damn *****.
        • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -1/+2Commie fag! Commie fag! Commie commie fag fag!
        • hypertension, on 03/18/2008, -1/+0Hey Alan,

          I see you're a student from China. I'm interested to learn what you think about this situation, and of Tibet in general. Thanks in advance for your answer!
    • PoonGnarfler, on 03/18/2008, -5/+3Yeah, a peaceful and inherently democratic religion and nation is definitely something that I wouldn't want. Do you know anything about Tibet or Buddhism? Just because they are religious fundamentalists doesn't make them bad, unlike you obviously believe.
      • Underwater07, on 03/18/2008, -1/+6inherently democratic religion? and nation? read some ***** history( and by the way no religion is inherently democratic) was the dali llama elected? nope. I beleive they used astrological projections.
      • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3Obviously you think too high of buddhism fundamentalists. Let me tell you this, all religious extremists are nuts, regardless how good their religion intend to be.
  • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -14/+12***** Communism!
    • Chainheart, on 03/18/2008, -2/+7Why not call it authoritarianism instead, that covers a wider scope
      • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -4/+3Good point. ***** authoritarianism too, though collectivism - statism, corporatism, socialism, fascism, communism and fundamentalism will ALWAYS lead to authoritarianism due to the bugs in our programming. All of them. Libertarians for the win!
    • xXMetalJesusXx, on 03/18/2008, -4/+7***** Ignorant Americans!
    • DesertDude, on 03/18/2008, -0/+9I just got word that "communism" is deeply hurt by this.
    • satyr9us, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1Dugg comment for Lenny Bruce reference, obviously lost on those who dugg it down.
  • orukabir, on 03/18/2008, -1/+7Great, now i probably won't have access to digg either. :(
  • Wrangler76, on 03/18/2008, -13/+22I bit a lot of diggers will still blindly say ***** communism, ***** china or free tibet. These were RIOTS with LOOTING of non-Tibetan stores, BEATING of non-Tibetans, and BURNING of the vehicles of INNOCENTS. These were a bunch of goddamn poor youth who were OPPORTUNISTS. Christ, you people will just eat up what CNN feeds to you.
    • Wrangler76, on 03/18/2008, -5/+5What a surprise, I'm getting dug down already for speaking the uncomfortable truth.
    • Enjia, on 03/18/2008, -4/+4i dugg you up cause your allowed to have a opinion.
      • mindspaceindia, on 03/18/2008, -2/+1So you digg anything anyone says?
    • PoonGnarfler, on 03/18/2008, -3/+2It began as peaceful protests by pacifist Tibetan Buddhist monks. The fact that it turned into rioting and looting is 1. Probably not the pacifist monks fault and 2. probably the fault of both sides. The only problem is is that China effectively owns a supposed autonomous nation that cannot even have their main religious leader living in the country.
    • Railz, on 03/18/2008, -3/+3Except CNN is feeding much of the issue anything.
      I bet you believe that bunch of 'tourism' ***** into Tibet too.
      • oldbull, on 03/19/2008, -0/+0A moron thinks everyone else is a moron. A simple cure: GET A MIRROR, YOU MORON!!!
    • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -0/+4A lot of people are too lazy to look into both sides of the story, and just believe in whatever being spoon-fed to them. It's funny a lot of diggers complain about certain people blindly believe in ***** from fox news or religion nuts or whatever, and yet the same time, themselves are rather blind.
  • nanotube, on 03/18/2008, -3/+10I have been trying to get information on the unrest all day and this is what I think the most comprehensive source of images. What puzzles me is that despite the Tibetian leader Dalai Lama 's accusation of cultural genocide, I have yet to find a single picture or source of the government using violent forces on the Tibetian people, not even the rioters.
    • jeffsteez, on 03/18/2008, -1/+2That's because it is allegedly an attack on on the culture, not the people themselves. One of the biggest issues is the mass immigration of Han Chinese to Tibet. As the weeks, months and years pass, more and more of the tibetan culture is sidelined.
      • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3I don't think it's fair to blame Han Chinese for the lose of culture. Culture will be changing when a new culture is introduced.
        As a matter of fact, Chinese government is trying to preserve their culture now, even though it's a bit late to start, but they really do want to try.
        And even without the Hans, younger generations don't tend to stick to their tradition after seeing the outside world. I bet you not all those young Tibetans follow the buddhist teaching, or they won't be burning down shops and beating up Hans in the region.
  • skyshock1, on 03/18/2008, -3/+23Why are the banners/slogans/etc... (stop killing in Tibet) all written in English?
    • fakekevinrose, on 03/18/2008, -5/+8to help spread the message
      • skyshock1, on 03/18/2008, -3/+6To who? The USA? England? Seems like a subtle way of saying "Hey assholes, quit ***** around in Iraq and come give us a hand w/ this will ya?"

        Personally I wouldn't touch this w/ a 10 ft. pole.
    • onionlayer, on 03/18/2008, -2/+8So we can read them
    • Hangly, on 03/18/2008, -2/+8Just for you, roundeye.
    • Pritchard, on 03/18/2008, -0/+6Because they're photoshopped.
    • godplaysdnd, on 04/07/2008, -0/+0Because they're retards who think we actually give a *****.
  • pt376, on 03/18/2008, -5/+11This is nothing more than a political stunt as the separatists trying to gather more international attention and sympathy.
    Since when did people in China protest with English signs against their own government? Do you see Canadians using Chinese signs saying "free Quebec" to protest? The protesters are desperate for attention and we are giving them just that...
    • phabulosa, on 03/18/2008, -1/+4This is very good point!
    • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -2/+1That's true, especially when you take into consideration the amount of education they receive are limited due to being so remote, a lot of them may not even be able to write in Chinese. I'm saying that not to mock the Tibetans, it's true, a huge population in China are illiterate, regardless of the race.
      • neofan, on 03/26/2008, -0/+0I'm sorry, but China has mandantory education up to grade 10 for everyone, so this is not correct.
  • Bisclavret, on 03/18/2008, -9/+12FREE TIBET
  • blipblipbeep, on 03/18/2008, -7/+4same im not gonna watch these stupid Olympics ether and i couldn't care less about that pathetic bird nest pavilion. i bet its all ready sold out in tickets tho. so to all the ppl who worked so hard to build that thing, i hope u were payed well as to get back at the government. a bid hug to anybody who has to witness any bad ppl and there work. never give up.
  • Yegger, on 03/18/2008, -5/+9I BUILD FOR CHINA!
  • badassninja, on 03/18/2008, -1/+6Does anyone know of a website that delivers "real news" about things going on around the world in video format? You know, like what television news would be like if it weren't 100% a fraud. No really I'm asking. Because right now if I want real news the most truth I can get is the daily show and the onion.
  • hyperation, on 03/18/2008, -5/+11
    Watch carefully: http://youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo
    • bigmelon, on 03/18/2008, -3/+4good information. thank you.
      • turdblossom1, on 03/18/2008, -4/+4***** off you chinese internet policeman! commie fag
    • dougRogers, on 03/18/2008, -3/+3Standard propaganda.
    • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -2/+2While I cannot verify every single frame of that video to be true, I do agree with most of it. Especially the part China had poured millions millions of money to improve Tibetan's lives.
      Yes, Chinese government have serious issues when it comes to Human Rights, but it's not against Tibet alone. If you free Tibet due to human right problems, what about the rest of the China, are you going to "free" that as well?
      Dear fellow ignorant diggers, please think, check facts, before jumping onto bandwagons.
    • bobthebruce123, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1I see two main points: Tibet has been part of China for a long time, and China is diverse. My response to that is: so what? The Tibetans shouldn't desire autonomy because it's been part of China for "a long time"? Long time does not equal always.
      Centuries ago the British empire could have been called very diverse too; controlling much of India and tons of other places. Now if they just controlled them long enough at some point could you say those places were "always a part of Britain"?

      Now I'm not saying there aren't other or better arguments out there to back up your position, all I am saying is that the points made here are weak.
      • oldbull, on 03/19/2008, -0/+0I believe in "power talks“，too.
  • mateoberry, on 03/18/2008, -8/+13So much for Buddhist ideals of compassion and non-violence!

    I do not doubt the suffering of many Tibetans, however there is no excuse for these senseless acts of violence against Han and Hui ethnic groups. These are innocent people. I am totally embarrassed by the outspoken naive support for such actions by people here in the U.S., their sense of reason totally overcome by the hip and trendy "Free Tibet" movement. Do you honestly think these riots will actually IMPROVE the lives of Tibetans??!! I'm very sorry, but the moment your movement slides into anarchy, you lose moral ground. Do you honestly think boycotting the Olympics, essentially giving over a billion Chinese the proverbial middle finger will somehow magically cause them to see the world as you do, and say, "WOW, you're right! You westerners were right all along! We and our government are complete, genocidal, spiritless, monsters! THANK YOU!!! Thank you Brad Pitt, thank you Steven Spielberg!"

    Come on people. These riots only help to reaffirm the reality of the situation: the more this goes on, the more ***** everyday Tibetans will be. In the end, you reveal only your naive sense of self-righteousness.
    • bigmelon, on 03/18/2008, -6/+3I couldn't agree more...
      • turdblossom1, on 03/18/2008, -4/+4***** off you chinese internet policeman! commie fag
    • topace3000, on 03/18/2008, -3/+7So would you suggest that the Tibetans give up any and all hope of freedom and that all other nations let China do as they will?
      • mateoberry, on 03/18/2008, -4/+1Should Tibetans give up hopes of independence? Yes.
        Should they give up hopes of a future with greater religious freedom and autonomy in China? No.
        Like it or not, Tibet is sovereign territory of the PRC. And the strategic and economic weight of modern day China alone outweighs any other possibility. This is REALITY.

        If we actually CARE about the actual welfare of Tibetans, and for that matter ALL ethnic groups in China, including the Han, then we should continue to engage with China, based upon principles of mutual respect, upholding the U.N. Charter regarding Human Rights as a standard for ALL member nations. China's society and autocratic government are evolving in positive ways towards greater democracy, transparency, greater respect for human rights, and true autonomy for ethnic minorities. Yes, this evolution still has a long way to go. However, boycotting the Olympics would not achieve this. Encouraging anarchy within China's borders does not achieve this.
        • topace3000, on 03/18/2008, -1/+3I agree that boycotting the Olympics is not the answer, but you're awfully soft on China. Engage them with "principles of mutual respect?" China does not respect its own people, little less any foreign powers. China's government is not evolving greater transparency, they are just trying to look good for the Olympics. There is no real government transparency in China.
          Furthermore, Tibet was forcibly conquered by China ~1950. They were promised some autonomy and this promise has never really been kept, and any semblance of self-rule has faded over time. The Han are given economic and social advantages, and the culture and religion of native Tibetans is squelched. This is not some self-righteous rant against China, this is real, forcible conquest happening before our eyes and the last throes of the movement for freedom in Tibet are happening NOW.
        • mateoberry, on 03/18/2008, -3/+4Assuming you are an American, or European, I'd say you're awfully hard on them. Please name a country in our end of the world that doesn't have a similar black spot in its history.
          I'm not soft on China, so much as I am willing to recognize the progress that HAS been made since the end of the Cultural Revolution, some 50 years ago. Evolving from a personality cult akin to North Korea into what we actually find in China today does deserve credit. "China does not respect its own people". While i'm not sure what you mean by "China", I'm more than willing to admit that China's autocratic government is far from perfect, and deserves criticism. And many Chinese are well aware of this too. Chinese do want greater transparency, they do want religious freedoms. Many Chinese do care about the preservation of Tibetan culture. But they also care when foreigners again attack their established sovereignty, just as any country would. Considering their history, this is more than fair. Given the fact that China was essentially raped and pillaged by foreign powers well into the 20th Century, their interaction with the outside world has been pretty civil, by comparison. I do admire your idealism, but the conquest of Tibet is over. These "last throes" of violence do nothing but tighten the grip of Chinese autocracy and impede actual progress. Despite this, I am optimistic that greater freedoms and democracy will be achieved in the province of Tibet and the rest of China. But I am willing to concede that this will happen as a result of all Chinese: Han, Tibetan, Uighur, Hui, and many others, coming together to achieve this. I am willing to concede that this will happen perhaps beyond my lifetime, and perhaps not exactly how we, as outsiders, idealize.
          • topace3000, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3While many countries once did what China now does, It's really not the same as having ongoing issues today. Let us consider India. India was conquered and reconquered throughout history, and though they have many serious social issues, their democratic government is many times more representative and fair than what exists in China. There is no reason why past offenses against a nation should excuse future offenses committed by that nation against its neutral neighbors. China's expansion is frankly similar to Germany's previous to WWII: Claiming previous ownership of land, insisting on national rights to another sovereign nation's territory, and empowering the minority of people within it that fit their ethnic profile.
            Of course progress has been made since the Cultural Revolution, but of course back then the policy was basically causing the deaths of a massive portion of China's peasantry. It's not so much that they've improved based on some idealism, just that they've chosen the path that increases their wealth and power the most while keeping their tyrannical leaders largely shielded from outside intervention: Corporate and Government Strong-arm fascism. I sincerely hope that their transition to capitalism and relative increase in some areas of human rights is representative of a steady march in the direction of liberty, but I fear that is not the case.
          • mateoberry, on 03/18/2008, -2/+0I agree with you, India is great example to other Asian nations, if not the world. China however, is evolving from a communist dictatorship, something India, despite its influential communist party, has not had to experience. China's opening to the outside world occurred simultaneously with the fall of the Soviet Union and the resulting economic chaos in those countries. Those in power were wise enough to perceive the benefits of economic liberalization. Yes, perhaps with only the intention of preserving CCP legitimacy and avoiding a similar fate as that of the USSR. Yet no matter our disdain for the CCP and its obvious flaws, this was perhaps the best thing to happen to China in generations. The quality of life has improved for countless Chinese. Access to information, ideas and ideology beyond the spectrum of CCP doctrine has never been greater. Is there room for more improvement? Without question. But should China be naively perceived as a threat to its neighbors and to the world, akin to the expansion of Imperial Germany or Japan? Is Hu Jin Tao only Hitler in disguise, waiting for the chance to take on the world? If we were having this conversation some 50 years ago, with Mao at the helm, I would agree with you. But this is just not the case today. The conquering of Tibet and Xinjiang, occurred during the cult of Maoist fanaticism, when perceived historical claims were answered with an ideology of liberation, not too different from America's own "manifest destiny". This was ugly, but historically influential non the less. Was America's expansion justified? No. Did the world powers at the time do anything to stop it? No. Was China's expansion into Tibet and Xinjiang justified? No. Did the world powers at the time do anything to stop it? No. Now that Tibet is firmly embedded into the sovereign territory of China, a nation of particular growing strength and influence, I strongly believe the best course of action is to engage China whenever possible, and give them credit when it is deserved. This does not mean we shy from our commitment to Human Rights and Democracy. But just like in America, democracy is built slowly, from within a nation, by the people. We are now witnessing the very beginnings of democracy in mainland China, where local leadership is being appointed by "election", not by party appointment. We scoff at such minute details. But please keep in mind how amazing this is in context. Just spend time in China, and you will witness growing, unprecedented demands for government accountability by everyday citizens. The future of Tibet, it's cultural preservation, religious freedoms, and true autonomy depend solely upon this evolution I speak of. This should be our intention with regards to Tibet. Encouraging the type of anarchy we have witnessed this past week just doesn't help.
          • jyac, on 03/18/2008, -0/+0well said
      • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -3/+1They don't need to give up anything, nor do they need to be so violent.
    • PoonGnarfler, on 03/18/2008, -2/+4You're absolutely right. Instead of trying to do something, we should all just think that the world is to big to care about anyone, and just lay on our asses while innocent people are being killed. Boycotting the Olympics may not do much, or even anything, but it could cause more people to realize what is actually happening in the world. Which is pretty damn worthwhile, in my opinion.
      • turdblossom1, on 03/18/2008, -2/+4***** CHINA
      • mateoberry, on 03/18/2008, -5/+2Innocent people are being killed by Tibetan rioters. Why do you not condemn this violence? Is it simply because these particular victims are Han Chinese?
        You are right. Boycotting the Olympics will probably not achieve anything. Instead, it will serve to expand a growing sea of misunderstanding and disrespect between China and the west. Our calls for democracy and human rights will fall to even more deaf ears. The retaliation of nationalism would smother everything else for generations. We will make more enemies out of those who would agree with us. And just how then would the lives of Tibetans actually IMPROVE???

    • YakiSauce, on 03/18/2008, -4/+2What alternative are you suggesting? Other than of course, writing masturbatory posts to elevate yourself above the rest of us simple-minded fools.
      • mateoberry, on 03/18/2008, -3/+2Hmm... Nothing like rubbing out a stiffy while expressing one's opinion on Digg. Damn, you nailed it.
        I dunno, how about letting the Chinese figure this one out for themselves, while we concentrate on our own particular problems?
        • topace3000, on 03/18/2008, -1/+3Yeah we should have probably let Hitler figure out that whole bungling European problem too, why get involved?
        • mateoberry, on 03/18/2008, -3/+1And just how is China quelling a riot (where innocent people have been attacked and even killed) within its sovereign territory akin to Hitler seeking to take over the world??? Again, your "China threat" theory just lacks substance.
          • topace3000, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1There is no "china threat" theory. The point is, if you you sit back and let everyone do whatever they want, you end up with ***** like Nazi Germany. All it takes for such things to happen is inaction. No, I'm not saying China IS Nazi Germany. But why do you blame the Tibetans so strongly? Their peaceful protests are broken up. Their holy figures are beaten and imprisoned. Their freedoms are taken away. If I lived in Tibet, I'd damn well be doing MORE than rioting.
          • mateoberry, on 03/19/2008, -0/+0I'm very sorry, but beating, stoning, and lighting someones house or livelihood on fire, just because they happen to be Han or Hui Chinese is wrong. How is lighting a Hui mosque on fire justified? This is what is happening. Even the Dalai Lama of all people has recognized the senseless violence on BOTH SIDES. I don't care if the Tibetans happen to have a really cool, trendy religion, they are no different than any other human being in the world. And that's the problem here. Anything associated with Tibet is worshiped here in the the west with cult-like devotion, while the entire 1.3 billion Chinese are demonized. We fail to maintain objectivity. Our eyes glaze over, our reasoning overcome with emotional admiration for some monk in a robe. But we chose to ignore what he is actually doing to other human beings.
            Yes, their culture is being diminished and even in some cases destroyed. Yes, they have been wronged. Yes, Tibetans have been murdered. I do not deny this. But none of this ***** helps their cause. Doing "MORE than rioting" would do NOTHING for these people, except worsen their chances for real progress.
  • VinnieDaMac, on 03/18/2008, -10/+5Free Tibet and Boycott the Olympics! (Because I'm an ignorant sheep who likes to follow the herd).
    • turdblossom1, on 03/18/2008, -7/+3***** off you chinese internet policeman! commie fag
  • mohitbs, on 03/18/2008, -7/+6I think china is using its power to destroy the lives of innocent people of tibet and their culture.
    I feel sorry for them.
    • Railz, on 03/18/2008, -1/+4Replace power with, "millions of moved Hans Chinese into the Tibet region", and you have the answer.
  • morninglorii, on 03/18/2008, -2/+13I was in China over the winter break, and we flew kites in Tiananmen Square. The kites were red, and the police came and asked us to stop flying them, because the red could be portrayed as a political statement regarding Tibet (or at least, that's what our tour guide told us the police said).
    • turdblossom1, on 03/18/2008, -6/+7***** CHINA
    • hamidious, on 03/18/2008, -6/+5Is that supposed to make us go "OMG CHINA IS DA NEXT HITLER"? Doesn't seem so wrong to me, if what you are doing could cause unrest, the police duty is to warn you.
      • morninglorii, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1Not at all, I loved China and loved being there... I was just telling a story.
    • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -0/+5I find it a bit hard to believe, cause red is the Chinese' flag color. And if police is going to stop you from flying a red kite, what about red clothes?
      I'm having a bit of doubt about your tour guide's translation.
      • morninglorii, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1Maybe he got it wrong. Although the kites had English words on them (they were given to us by our tour), so maybe the police didn't know what they said, and made the assumption.
    • Wrangler76, on 03/18/2008, -0/+0Why the HELL were you flying kites there? :S Just curious.
      • morninglorii, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1Just for fun. We got there, and our tour guide gave us the kites to fly.
    • jimmyleeca, on 03/24/2008, -0/+0these policemen's upper hand is plainly stupid. Hitler isn't that stupid.
  • UNDERSTAR, on 03/18/2008, -2/+7Wheres Team America???
  • turdblossom1, on 03/18/2008, -12/+5***** CHINA

    ***** CHINA

    ***** CHINA

    ***** CHINA

    bury me fags!
  • asaone, on 03/18/2008, -2/+5Red Communism have financed our war in Iraq, taken our jobs and left us weakened. These are the same Red Communist sobs that still pretend to be free market people but can not hide there thirst for power and world domination by means of forced Communism upon the world. It is to our greater shame that we let them do these things to us and others around the world.
  • papipablo, on 03/18/2008, -2/+7Buried because the major news networks tell me that Obama vs. Clinton is more important.
  • jesuswuzanalien, on 03/18/2008, -1/+5The only things these photos stir up is my hunger. Mmm... free Tibet.
  • IdanH14, on 03/18/2008, -2/+5I don't know why, but this pictures are not as shocking as I expected they would be. Except for the picture with the dude's wounded leg, I can't put my finger on anything shocking. It looks like every mob fight we've seen around the world (with the difference that the Tibetan have a distinguished cause). Anyway, I think this can be explained by the .CN domain of the pictures' page. In my opinion, this is just a propaganda by the Chinese government. They try to make it appear as if they use only the amount of force which is needed and nothing more. That's why the text below the pictures is, in my opinion, irrelevant.
    That's just me.
  • lambstein86, on 03/18/2008, -3/+6The west will do nothing to stop this, if the west intervenes at any point against china they will loose a major source of well...everything, look at how much stuff we get from china, the west could not cope if china just cut off. Anyway Britain has no right at all to criticise this in anyway, i will only say one word...Ireland. We technically have no right to that land at all but we took it, and over the years have quelled various rebellions a lot like this, and the retaliation has been brutal just look at what Oliver Cromwell did in the late 1600's, or william of orange. we even found time during world war one to brutally crush the irsh. and now 80 years on we think we have the right to criticise a country who is reacting in pretty much the same way as we once did, i may be wrong but isnt that a little bit hypocritical?
  • benguild, on 03/18/2008, -4/+4Those police suits kick ASS. ***** YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
    • edgedmurasame, on 03/18/2008, -2/+3When you have to say thuggery in the local dialect, a Chinese police/military uniform will do nicely.
    • godplaysdnd, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1I have to admit they do look kick ass.
  • wtyeh, on 03/18/2008, -7/+0Think about where the Indian are?
    You think you have right to criticize the Chinese people?
  • wtyeh, on 03/18/2008, -6/+0Think about where the Indian are?
    You think you have right to criticize the Chinese people?
  • smacksaw, on 03/18/2008, -3/+8Boycott the Olympics over this? No. We need to bring China into the world, and as we do that by going there and making closer ties, it becomes harder for them to these things and hide them.

    Blame the Han Chinese? No. These people don't have a choice as to where they do or do not go. The gov't is changing the makeup of Tibet by bringing more Han Chinese there, but it's not their fault.

    What we should hope for and strive for is that China get more open and integrated with the rest of the world and the Tibetans hold on to what they are. Then, when China can afford more freedom, Tibet can take it's culture back. But for the time being, Tibetans should be trying to get people integrated into their society. Think about how Americans treat Mexicans. No wonder Mexicans are an issue with cultural integration. If you segregate and exclude people, that's what happens.

    China may control a lot of things, but they can't control how the Han Chinese think about their Tibetan hosts. That's up to Tibetans.
    • notouch, on 03/18/2008, -0/+2Good point, we need to change the people before we can change the government. After all, if the people don't know what rights they have, they wouldn't know what rights they should protect.
  • theskyisblue, on 03/18/2008, -3/+1great, you and i can digg about it, but no one important or powerful enough to change things is doing anything about it.
    • DanOnTheMoon, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1The people of China are. Time for another people's revolution, to throw off the tyranny of the first one! Come on, if Communism died in Russia, it can die in China.
      • miborovsky, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1It's been dead for a while.
      • godplaysdnd, on 03/29/2008, -0/+0Where the hell have you been the last 3 decades?
  • hamidious, on 03/18/2008, -4/+4BTW I can think of probably 100 places around the world where you can get better photos for human suffering than this (despite attempted censorship). This is an internal matter that media propoganda wants to blow out of proportion.
  • dolvlo, on 03/18/2008, -2/+7This is one of the best links digg has ever had. For the love of all that is good, digg this.
  • falafelkiosken, on 03/18/2008, -0/+3dugg for great justice
  • Pritchard, on 03/18/2008, -2/+3Photoshopped - At least the "Stop Killing in Tibet" photos are. The sign's obviously photoshopped. You can't even properly hold a sign at that angle. The face is photoshopped, definitely. The pixels are all wrong.
  • edgedmurasame, on 03/18/2008, -3/+6Dang, it seems that there have been a ton of China apologists, and some people who have been misinformed about Tibet by a known Communist sympathizer.

    Their list of misdeeds against their own nation, seized territories (Tibet, Hong Kong via treaty), and Taiwan seem to be quite long. That is, longer than the US/EU ones quoted by apologists of China.
    • Bhima, on 03/18/2008, -1/+2Interesting how well versed they are in their propaganda. Sort of makes wonder are they professionals engaged in Astroturfing or if the Chinese propaganda is so effective in China, these people are simply parroting it on their own volition.

      A few years ago I had one wacky Han give me much of this line in person while evangelizing about Christianity. On the other hand I have an employee who just moved from Shanghai who is remarkably well informed...

      In any event any sins perpetrated by Americans, or Brits, or Germans does nothing to absolve the sins of the Chinese... Probably makes them worse... as anyone can tell you how pointless and wasteful they us ally turn out. 15~25 years from now China will no longer be at the top of their game and all the sins they hid from the world will become known.
    • jimmyleeca, on 03/24/2008, -1/+0you call Hong Kong seized territories? You are ***** idiot. Hong Kong is always chinese land, but seized by english force for a while. Did you graduate from elementary school?
  • HalfGiraffe, on 03/18/2008, -3/+2Boycott the Beijing Olympics http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2210428260
    • chard, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1No. Dalai Lama says no, I trust his judgment.
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