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- junkwheel, on 05/31/2008, -1/+53"That is unless of course you are swapping it with your significant other."
Hi honey!
*spit*
???
Spare bedroom. - inactive, on 05/31/2008, -6/+36hahahaha Great photo to accompany this story!!!!!!
- BigCalhoun, on 05/31/2008, -1/+25Texas: Where spit can get you 20-40 and shooting someone can be dismissed with probation.
- gordonrp, on 05/31/2008, -3/+16Another person in jail, just what we need...... time for some work camps i think.
- Tralobyte, on 05/31/2008, -6/+19HIV can't even transfer through saliva. It's in an affected person's blood.
- cl2yp71c, on 05/31/2008, -9/+21Reminds me of this excuse to avoid a fight, "I'd fight you, but you might have HIV and I don't want your blood on me."
IMO, it's scary that a deranged person can go on a spitting spree, infecting countless amounts of other people with a deadly disease.
Death penalty, anyone? - mattlohkamp, on 05/31/2008, -3/+14uh, yeah, except that there's no evidence that exposure to saliva comes with a risk of HIV infection. rtfa and common sense?
- cl2yp71c, on 05/31/2008, -0/+10Convert mostly all prisons into work camps.
Profit. - danielplainview, on 05/31/2008, -2/+10What a BS charge! There has only been a couple of confirmed cases of HIV transmitted via saliva, all involve some blood in the mouth. In one case both people had gum disease which meant blood was in the saliva of both parties and had a viable method of transmission. Also it is know that saliva contains an enzyme which kills HIV, thus making transmission via saliva even more difficult.
http://www.thebody.com/content/art2287.html - skinrock, on 05/31/2008, -1/+9I think the article makes a good point in reminding everyone that the spitter is a repeat offender. Look, if you commit multiple crimes, and especially similar crimes, over and over again, what the hell is your point in life? You are constantly endangering others. Whether or not HIV can be transmitted via saliva is not the point, the fact of the matter is the guy hasn't learned his lesson time and time again.
Regarding the lawyer, they specifically told him to avoid exactly what he did, it's not a question if he knew it would endanger others, he was advised not to, and he chose to disregard it. - david31, on 05/31/2008, -2/+9According to your story Hernandez passes you and starts walking up the ramp.
Then you say you were struck on the right temple.
The spit then proceeds to ricochet off the temple striking Newman between the third and fourth rib.
The spit then came off the rib made a right turn hitting Newman in the right wrist causing him to drop his baseball cap.
The spit then splashed off the wrist, Pauses... In mid air mind you...-
Makes a left turn, and lands on Newman's left thigh.
That is one magic loogie. - icantseeyou, on 05/31/2008, -10/+16Very interesting and good article. I don't think the spitter should be in jail for 35 years. He should get some punishment though. Perhaps 6 months for every incidence. If spit where found to carry the virus then I agree that he should get the full extent of the law - it's attempted murder.
Think if he spit on you - would you be able to sleep at night? Would you get tested and retested - what would it do to you and your family.
As far as the TB positive man he really should not have been around other people period without safety measures in place. Should he go to jail? Not unless he was intentionally covering up the fact he had this disease and purposely exposed others. If he was assured that he was not contagious that should be enough. Getting on a plane knowing you have it and that you can in fact give it to others should also be a crime - attempted murder.
Giving a disease to another should be punishable by law. But intent is the issue here. - paraforce, on 05/31/2008, -2/+8Or you're married to a porn star.
- harmonychurch, on 05/31/2008, -2/+7"No one likes to become recipient of a spit projectile."
That's what she said. - openthink, on 05/31/2008, -0/+5Think there may have been some cases like the Dallas one in NY; can't remember the result. Interesting issues, though. Definitely agree about the TB case. Wondered from the beginning why the guy from Atlanta who flew on the public plane didn't -- after being warned not to -- didn't face some stronger consequence, including criminal. Yea, the guy was sick, probably desperate and he wasn't intentionally trying to infect people. But he was definitely reckless, and he had other ways to get treatment. Even if he couldn't get the best treatment, doesn't justify exposing tons of innocent people to a potentially fatal illness.
- toppgun, on 05/31/2008, -3/+8I just found out the other day that I carry latent TB. I am not sick with it and cannot transmit it but it is in my system. My doctor believes I got it from traveling. I say that if someone has a case that can infect other people they should definitely be punished for it. If my case developed into full blown TB then that person could kill me and I could run the risk of harming others. At least I cannot infect people at this point in time, which is good.
In the highly unlikely circumstance that if I ever meet the person that transmitted it to me, s/he is going to have a price to pay. I now have to go on an antibiotic treatment for 6-9 months and this is going to be over the course of my freshman year at college and this summer while I am in Europe. NO ALCOHOL.
Punish the ***** that knowingly do something that can infect others. put those that fly while knowingly carrying the disease on the permanent 'no fly list' and put them in jail, preferably solitary confinement, for the duration of their treatment.
/angry rant - ChzPlz, on 05/31/2008, -1/+5umm... pardon?
- ldkronos, on 05/31/2008, -2/+6Well, for some people, their hand IS their girlfriend.
- MrTulip, on 05/31/2008, -1/+5wtf is wrong with you?
- inactive, on 05/31/2008, -1/+5There is a key difference in your example in that it is established science that HIV can be transmitted in that matter.
- inactive, on 05/31/2008, -2/+6I'm going to drink some cyanide and start spitting on people!
- lisaawesome, on 05/31/2008, -0/+4In some areas it is illegal to engage in sexual activity if you have AIDS/HIV and you don't tell the partner. In my opinion it is absolutely criminal to knowingly withhold that kind of information from a sexual partner. This is a very specific, deliberate act towards a person. I don't think this kind of potential transmission falls into the kind of gray areas many other potential transmissions do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission ... - kirralin23, on 06/01/2008, -0/+4Sure, I'll fight you, but you should know, I have AIDS! That should put a damper on anyone who wants to fight you.
- Rikkochet, on 05/31/2008, -3/+7Swapping means she's into that and spits back at you.
We do that in the shower sometimes. Thinking about it outside the moment, it's really childish. - xhazerdusx, on 05/31/2008, -1/+5While you are in Europe, stop by Amsterdam if you can. You may not be able to have alcohol, but a few things are legal there that can still show you a good time.
- makenshin, on 05/31/2008, -1/+4I'd say it shouldn't be classified as a deadly weapon. It should however (with such intent as to spread disease, such as in the case of the homeless man) be classified as assault with a biological/chemical weapon. Not all biological/chemical weapons kill or are even intended to kill, but they do have the intent of causing some type of harm to the victim.
- Joet1980, on 05/31/2008, -1/+4"He turns and spits," Officer Waller said. "He hits me in the eye and mouth. Then he told me he has AIDS. I immediately began looking for something to flush my eyes with."
"Then he told me he has AIDS" - ZiggityZhang, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3Well, like it or not he's right. That IS basically the first comment in the original article..
- 0scar, on 05/31/2008, -2/+5Doesn't surprise me... I used to live in Vancouver and there the most common weapon used in muggings and armed robberies was a used syringe. A lot scarier than a knife of you ask me.
- p0tent1al, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3What if this person brushed their too hard and bled out of his/her gums earlier?
What if person has Cankersore (which blood can come out of)?
- Tralobyte, on 05/31/2008, -3/+6I did read the article, and it mentioned what I wrote. But not all diggers read the article and understand HIV transfer.
- iticu, on 05/31/2008, -0/+3That was overdone..
- Rikkochet, on 05/31/2008, -0/+3I still live here and I've heard one account EVER of a syringe being used as a weapon in a crime. Junkies don't really mug and assault "the normal folk" - the VPD keeps a decent balance. They're all over each other, as anyone who ever took the 210 into town in the morning can attest to...
- Yamada, on 06/01/2008, -0/+3When I was in London a friend of mine was.. spitting down into the pit when we were waiting for the tube. A man nearby stroke up a conversation saying that it was actually a crime to spit in someone's face there because of potential disease, so I don't find this article as surprising as others. Good story though.
- thesupergeek, on 05/31/2008, -6/+9I will spit in your eyes, you will see. lol
- 0scar, on 05/31/2008, -0/+3if you ask me that is...
- jacobsor, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2No, saliva cannot be used to transmit HIV. According to the CDC, "Contact with saliva, tears, or sweat has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV."
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/transm ...
In the one case where it was transmitted by biting, this was through "blood-to-blood transmission," not saliva. I.e., both people were bleeding, and the blood from one person made it into the other person. That's a whole lot different than the facts of this case. - kirralin23, on 06/01/2008, -1/+3There are cases of AIDS being transfered through saliva, just not saliva to saliva contract. AIDS has been transferred via an individual with AIDS biting an uninfected individual. Saliva to blood contact. AIDS is present in saliva in small amounts. If the perpetrator had chapped lips or a sore in his mouth or throat that was bleeding there would be a greater presense of the virus. If the officer had a scratch near his eye or a sore on, near or in his mouth that would give the virus in the saliva a direct route into the officer's blood. This was assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. That fact is made all the more clear by the perpetrator taunting the officer with the fact that he had AIDS.
I would guess that this jerk did this because he doesn't like being homeless. He knew he would be able to go back to prison, where he has three square meals a day, a roof over his head and a bed to sleep in.
The jerk who flew with TB after his doctors had advised him not to travel without a mask is guilty of reckless endangerment at the very least. If anyone was infected by him it was assault with a deadly weapon, and if they die as a result it's murder. - pault107, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2Gen Y scares me.
- jacobsor, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2How is this a "biological or chemical weapon"? The spit is harmless. It cannot transmit HIV.
Under these circumstances, the individual's intent is irrelevant. If I "intend" to cause you harm through something that's actually totally harmless, then I haven't committed a crime. For example, I can intend all I want to kill someone with my amazing telepathic death rays, but it's not actually causing anyone any harm.
This case is really about nothing more than the "gross" factor. - kirralin23, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2That'll be interesting. How do you intend to stay alive long enough to spit on anyone?
- kirralin23, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2LOL
Dugg up for your amazing telepathic death rays. - inactive, on 05/31/2008, -3/+5Bravo to you. I hate that. The article even quotes the CDC and links to the CDC facts sheets on both HIV and TB, if people cant say something intelligent why do they even bother
- worldchanger, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2hey, at least he's got a home now.
- Greengoo, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Yes.. let's put CRIMINAL SPITTERS into ***** Food Service.
- inactive, on 06/01/2008, -1/+2Problem: saliva by itself does not carry HIV.
- cnldelta, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1HIV or HIV, spitting on someone should carry the same punishment as throwing a pebble at someone. Whats the minimum sentence for a projectile based assault?
- kirralin23, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1I never said I would prefer to be in prison than homeless. But it's actually quite common for individuals who lack the skills to take care of themselves and have spent time in prison to intentionally get sent back. I've read articles about it and my husband used to work at a prison and he told me about these individuals. Sometimes they throw feces and bodily fluids at the officers because it prevents them from being paroled. Just because no normal, sane person would want to be in prison doesn't mean the mentally ill or mentally deficient wouldn't want to be there. It's unfortunate that society doesn't do more to help these individuals, but I'm not sure what can be done for them as they need professional help.
- kirralin23, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1And criminally liable.
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