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- Barackalypse, on 07/02/2009, -9/+31It won't be much of a show-down since the same military that removed Zelaya over his illegal attempt to get the the Constitution changed so he can serve additional terms will be waiting there to take him into custody again when he arrives. Also, this is extremely shoddy reporting to continue to call this a military coup and I'm going to quote a Wall Street Journal article that explains the facts of the situation in a way the Post does not::
"But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.
The top military commander, Gen. Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, told the president that he would have to comply. Mr. Zelaya promptly fired him. The Supreme Court ordered him reinstated. Mr. Zelaya refused.
Calculating that some critical mass of Hondurans would take his side, the president decided he would run the referendum himself. So on Thursday he led a mob that broke into the military installation where the ballots from Venezuela were being stored and then had his supporters distribute them in defiance of the Supreme Court's order.
The attorney general had already made clear that the referendum was illegal, and he further announced that he would prosecute anyone involved in carrying it out. Yesterday, Mr. Zelaya was arrested by the military and is now in exile in Costa Rica."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301 ... - dsmith5237, on 07/02/2009, -2/+14
The biggest question, one I haven't seen addressed in the major news outlets I've read, is whether Honduras pursued their Constitutional or lawful impeachment process or if there even is one.
If they have a system analogous to the US, then removing Zelaya was presumptuous and over reaching. If their process was implemented according to their law, then Zelaya got what was coming for breaking and circumventing the law as well as ignoring the judicial and legislative branches. - StEligius, on 07/02/2009, -2/+14Too bad all nations in the Americas (north and south) can't be as stable as Costa Rica.
- 3tcp, on 07/02/2009, -4/+15Well I hope they do arrest him since it was the right choice to remove him. I don't understand all this talk of a 'coup', the fact that the courts and legislature supported the presidents removal means that it is more like an impeachment than a coup. I can't believe Obama condemned the president's removal. He either seems really out of touch with the situation or is letting politics get in the way of just accepting that Honduras is enforcing their constitution.
- Agamemnon582bc, on 07/02/2009, -4/+14It's amazing how Obama supports the reinstatement of Zelaya, who would've corrupted the country and set it back 30 years in progress, but remains silent on Iran and North Korea. Someone has their priorities straight, huh?
- nextekcarl, on 07/02/2009, -1/+10Some people will always be on every side, no matter what that 'side' may be. Just because some people helped him it doesn't automatically follow that 'the People' are on his side.
- WraTH017, on 07/02/2009, -4/+10I have family in Honduras and i've been speaking to them about this all week. Nobody, aside him from a very small minority, wants Zelaya back in power. The protests have been said to be minuscule, in the very low hundreds at best. On the flip side, there was an anti-Zelaya demonstration the other day that gathered around 12,000 people. Not even his own party supports him.
I'm a liberal, and i normally don't care for the Washingtong Post, and the Wall Street journal, but it's absolutely surprising to me that these are about the only entities actually covering this thing in a serious manner.
To have my president, the guy I supported come out and denounce the actions of Honduras is extremely disappointing to me. Come on Obama, what happened to wanting to be informed before you spoke?
Also, it's very striking to see the world react so passively to the events on Iran and then see the swift reaction and immediate condemnation for the people of Honduras for ousting a president that was breaking the law and teetering on the verge of a full scale dictatorship.
I'm still hopeful the Obama administration and the UN will investigate further, and eventually give the coup leaders a moment to plead their case, but i'm not going to hold my breath on that. I can't imagine reinstating that populist idiot. - Barackalypse, on 07/02/2009, -6/+12It isn't up to Micheletti, it is up to the Attorney General of Honduras who had previously said he would prosecute anyone involved in the unConstitutional referendum Zelaya attempted to carry out, so I presume since Zelaya already got his free pass on the offense, if he is stupid enough to come back, he will be arrested for his crimes.
"The attorney general had already made clear that the referendum was illegal, and he further announced that he would prosecute anyone involved in carrying it out. Yesterday, Mr. Zelaya was arrested by the military and is now in exile in Costa Rica."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301 ... - eLuminx, on 07/02/2009, -7/+12Didn't Micheletti say that he Mel Zelaya could come back anytime he wanted without any repercussions? I remember listening to that statement in CNN Espanol. Why is he going to be arrested now if he comes back. I must say, if Zelaya was headed down the path of trying to complete power and not relinquishing the presidency and to not hold elections then i must say that he was dead wrong and must have been removed from power as the constitution states. But if Micheletti was wrong in what he did, along with the congressional panel then he must be imprisoned for falsifying information (the resignation letter from Zelaya).
- inactive, on 07/02/2009, -2/+7"Bible-thumping"! Aren't you hilarious! Where did you think of that? And when did I mention Christianity?
And no, I don't care that he's half black, or has a funny name. I care that he QUADRUPLED the deficit. I care that he thinks it is the government's place to take control of banks and auto companies, dictate CEO pay, and flat out fire executives in the private sector. I care that he walks the globe apologizing for America. I care that he is pushing cap & trade (the largest tax increase and the biggest job killer in American history, designed to solve a problem that doesn't exist), and public health insurance (which will only increase health care costs, thereby bankrupting itself, and lead to decreased innovation and an overall lower standard of care). That enough for you? - superkendall, on 07/02/2009, -3/+8Yes it was constitutional. Having had bad experiences with dictators the Honduras constitution was written to say (a) you cannt be elected to lead for more than one term, and (b) anyone trying to get around the single term limit is no longer a citizen. He ejected himself.
- URnotheonly1, on 07/02/2009, -15/+20LOL Obama. Honduras had every democratic right to remove. It is obvious we have a Marxist in the White House.
- rschenkel, on 07/02/2009, -3/+7Look, you can't take those pictures seriously as what is currently happening in Honduras. These were isolated events, by Zelaya supporters, who violently provoked the cops and army trying to keep civilized order. These people are being paid by infiltrated Venezuelan and Cuban agents to provoke disorders.
The country has returned to it's daily routine, with those of us who are lucky to still have jobs, returning to our positions. Many have joined peaceful rallys in support of the new government, that are more numerous, than those violent protests by Zelaya supports. Just see the pictures below:
http://animoto.com/play/9C9OTq8RYmFP5wkJb9znxw
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-288508 - Yazilliclick, on 07/02/2009, -2/+6Thanks for a good bit of real information on this.
I've seen some stories but haven't really looked into it and the media and other world leaders seem to be making it out to be some horrible coup which didn't seem to fit with them also reporting that he was breaking the law.
I guess some world leaders don't like the idea that they can be removed from power when they go against the law and the people so it's in their best interest to condemn this and hope it doesn't set a precedent. - ZenMojo, on 07/02/2009, -4/+8The reason is because Zelaya's referendum is merely a pretense for a coup.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/71105.html
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/71107.ht ... - inactive, on 07/02/2009, -3/+7The ballots were shipped in from VENEZUELA.
That's a big red flag right there. - inactive, on 07/02/2009, -3/+7Who says the letter was falsified?
Oh, that's right... the guy who was trying to hold an illegal referendum. - LedZepAddict, on 07/02/2009, -1/+5Congrats, not only did you show your douchy-ness by making a lame, slightly rasist joke, but confirmed it by writing in all caps. Truly original.
- inactive, on 07/02/2009, -2/+6No, the media and the Obama administration are hoping you don't do your own research and see that they DID NOT skip a couple of steps. This didn't happen overnight.
Zelaya tried to get the referendum. Congress said no. The Supreme Court said no. Then Zelaya had ballots shipped in from Venezuela. The military confiscated the ILLEGAL ballots. Zelaya STOLE those ballots. Congress and the Supreme Court gave him a chance to call it all off. Zelaya kept going and they removed him from office.
No steps were skipped. - Misinformant, on 07/02/2009, -4/+8Hey look. The guy who double-posted is calling people out for making an ass of themselves.
I like irony, too. - Agamemnon582bc, on 07/02/2009, -0/+4It usually is a good idea to keep people off the streets if the Venezuelan president is threatening an invasion, the US media is playing out the Honduran military to be the bad guys, and the handful of Zelaya supporters are purposely trying to get violent in hopes to spark a reaction from the military to make them even look more like the bad guys. In fact, besides Zelaya supporters and idiots like you, everyone else is just fine with the decisions being made by the Honduran military, and contrary to popular belief, Hondurans don't want to watch CNN either (which they lovingly dub "Chavez News network"). It's the Honduran way of saying, "Hey everyone, butt the ***** out of our business."
- Agamemnon582bc, on 07/02/2009, -3/+7Because if they tried to be all prim and proper about it, Zelaya would've been furious and would've taken control of the army to crack down on the judicial system and other politicians by saying they were trying to stage a coup. It's a lose-lose situation. The Honduran government chose the bloodless path instead.
- superkendall, on 07/02/2009, -3/+7Except the people are not on his side, only 200 people came out to protest when he was arrested.
- inactive, on 07/02/2009, -1/+5The name calling is a diversionary tactic these jackholes use because they cannot go toe-to-toe on facts. People who drop the race card first are the ones who see race in everything; nevermind the policy decisions as "it must be his race",
@Misinformant - you are not qualified to participate in an intelligent discussion. Your name speaks volumes about you. - superkendall, on 07/02/2009, -2/+5You can't execute a coup if the guy is not a president - which the courts AND the actual Honduras constitution said (the attempt to extend his term automatically took him out of power).
You can try and spin it as a coup all you want but it's like saying someone calling the cops on a husband beating a wife means the cops are executing a coup against the husband. - notthatdumb, on 07/06/2009, -0/+3@Zen:
I was going to say something witty, but Agamem really nailed it. You don't want civilians running around during an invasion. It turns into a bloody mess. - inactive, on 07/02/2009, -2/+5Psst... Micheletti is a liberal.
- ThinkFr33ly, on 07/02/2009, -5/+8It was not a coup. It was their version of impeachment, and it was totally legal and justified.
- adodds, on 07/02/2009, -1/+4umm... abw1987 - ZenMojo and Misinformant DID get the "your" right... you wouldn't say, "you are biggest defense..." or, "you are computer" would you? If you would, then you're wrong. and dumb.
- URnotheonly1, on 07/02/2009, -1/+4HAHAHAHAH New left-wing Digg tactic failed. For the last few months it seems the Obama posters like to file complaints to silence any opposing points of view. Typical commie move. LOL
Misinformant HAHAHAHAH! - Agamemnon582bc, on 07/02/2009, -6/+9Apparently someone hasn't done their homework on Central and South American countries. You don't "impeach" a president; the president calls the people trying to impeach him traitors to the country and then has them shot. And this is coming from a Honduran before you get all high and mighty about some political view point in the US. Learn about other parts of the world before trying to apply US politics to everything.
- methdwman3, on 07/02/2009, -2/+5They acted on the orders of the other branches of government and the next person in the line of succession took over - call it what you want, but it seems pretty reasonable to me.
- Agamemnon582bc, on 07/02/2009, -0/+3You've done a great job spinning your own view point, I'll give you that. Too bad I was still talking about Honduras. Now go ***** yourself you condescending *****.
- inactive, on 07/02/2009, -10/+12Good. Arrest him if he tries to regain power. He was violating the constitution, and illegally trying to throw out the old constitution so that he could stay in office beyond his term length.
This wasn't even a coup! It was a peaceful change of power, enacted by the Honduran Senate and upheld by its Supreme Court. Why the hell are Obama and Clinton siding with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro in condemning this changeover??? I guess because Obama is a neo-Marxist socialist dictatorial tyrant just like Zelaya. - notthatdumb, on 07/06/2009, -0/+2@phun:
Dude, read the article. They did reach a consensual agreement. Zelaya ignored it. That's why he was thrown out! - notthatdumb, on 07/06/2009, -0/+2@real:
You are actually correct: it is true democracy when the right is in power. It is the left that uses power to take freedoms away, and tax the hell out of what is left-over. Congratz! - sulthernao, on 07/02/2009, -2/+4What I don't get is why they would read a falsified resignation letter. If everything they did was constitutional why commit fraud in the process? And why do it in the middle of the night, the process should have been handled better.
Zelaya is a egotistical prick, but that doesn't mean you should have a military coup over it. - phunlee, on 07/02/2009, -0/+2Here-Here! Pura Vida, man. Everybody just chill out..
- inactive, on 07/02/2009, -5/+7Dunno why you're getting buried.
Oh because most Digg users are clueless socialists. - notthatdumb, on 07/06/2009, -0/+2@inac:
If the military was gonna run it, wouldn't they, i dunno, say, actually RUN IT, (instead of making sure the line of succession was followed?) - inactive, on 07/02/2009, -2/+4Great news! The Honduran Congress has just officially suspended a slew of constitutional rights.
That would be the same constitution they were accusing the President of violating...
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Here is a list of the constitutional rights their Congress has just suspended:
SUSPENDED, Article 71: No person can be detained for more than 24 hours without being presented to the orders of the competent authority for judgment. Judicial inquiry detention cannot exceed six days from the moment of detention.
SUSPENDED, Article 78: Freedom of association and reunion is guaranteed as long as it does not contravene public order and good custom.
SUSPENDED, Article 81: All persons have the right of free passage, to leave enter and stay in national territory. No person can be forced to move from their domicile or residence, except in special circumstances and when the requisits of law allow.
SUSPENDED, Article 84: No person can be arrest or detained without the virtue of a written mandate of the competent authority, expidited with legal formalities and for a motive previously established by law. However, in-fragranti criminals may be apprehended by any person in order to deliver them to authorities. The arrested or detained must be informed in the act and with total clarity of their rights and the reasons for the arrest; also, the authority must communicate theri detention to a family member of choice.
SUSPENDED, Article 88: No class of violence or coercion may be exercised on persons to force or make them declare. In a penal, disciplinary or police issue, nobody can be made to declare against themself, against a spouse or living companion, or against family members inside fourth grade of bloodline or second of affinity. Only in front of a competent judge make statements be taken. Any decalration obtained by infringement of these dispositions is null and void.
SUSPENDED, Article 99: The domicile cannot be violated. No entry or register can take place without the consent of the person who resides in the domicile or without a resolution from acompentent authority. However, the domicile may be searched in the case of emergency to impede the commission or the impunity of a crime or to avoid serious harm to person or property. - geekee, on 07/02/2009, -2/+4It wasn't significantly more violent then when Blagojevich was removed legally from office
- Agamemnon582bc, on 07/02/2009, -0/+2Oh, by the way. Haiti and the Dominican Republic are not Central and South America. Thought you'd like to know, considering you're an expert on geography here. Good to know there hasn't been a CIA coup in Central and South America in nearly 40 years, so your expertise here on history was well worth it as well. Dumb ass.
- superkendall, on 07/02/2009, -2/+4So what if he got the main point right.
- StEligius, on 07/02/2009, -0/+1Well I cant find any information about one. I hope they haven't. All the meddling the CIA has done around the world has worked so well (sarcasm).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica
When I mentioned "all nations in the Americas (north and south)" I implied the USA could learn a little from Costa Rica. - omegatrump, on 09/22/2009, -0/+1Well, then if what you say is true then Mr Obomba will be shifting his support to the present government. :)
DailyKo's, LOLOLOLO - omegatrump, on 09/22/2009, -0/+1The World Order of Marxism is not happy with Hondurans courage to stand up against them. Chavez, Ortega Ahbadinijab, and Obomba are directing support to the ousted wannabe dictator. What are the Law abiding people of Honduras supposed to do when Chavez and Ortega have organized an invasion of their country? We stand with you Honduras. Our prayers are with you.
- zopilote17, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1The Honduran constitution can be amended fairly easily compared to the American constitution, all except for 8 articles that are "set in stone" and can never be amended. These mainly have to do with protecting the Constitution itself, the form of government, and forbidding re-election of the President.
Which begs the question: if Zelaya is such an honest saint, and *didn't* want to get re-elected, but just wanted to amend other parts of the constitution to benefit the poor as he claims, why not just use the regular avenues to do so instead of proposing a completely new Constitution?
Of course he'll give the excuse that the Congress is under the control of the elites and hates the poor. But that's not a valid reason to sidestep at least trying the regular avenues of amending the constitution. If he was reasonable, he could get a lot done. Heck, even Michelletti and the Congress voted to approve his move to join ALBA (the Chávez-led group of nations). They were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, until it became clear he was out of control and just trying to follow in Chávez's footsteps all the way to indefinite re-elections. - zopilote17, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1Anyone honest with you will tell you that all the talk of democracy by Chávez and Zelaya and company (including Fidel Castro of all people) is pure BS propaganda.
Michelletti may not be that great of a guy-- and probably isn't the leader Honduras needs.
But if you believe Zelaya and Chávez really care about "the poor" (as opposed to just using them and buying them off to gain power) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. - omegatrump, on 09/22/2009, -0/+1No military hunta there. What you see in Honduras is a Communist dictator wanna be has been deposed, the world Marxist Order is not happy about it, and the People of Honduras must take steps to secure their government in every way possible. Chavez, Castro, Ahmadinijab, and Obomba are now giving their support to the Marxist dictator wannabe. Go figure....
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