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liveleak.com — A full confession from the father who deceived the world by keeping his children captive. Josef Fritzl turned his cellar into a dungeon incarcerating his daughter for 24 years, and forcing her to bear his seven children. Sky's Greg Milam reports.

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  • bethlee, on 04/29/2008, -1/+79This is revolting and tragic.
    • BeefBaron, on 04/29/2008, -31/+5Half our species has its roots in rape and incest. Are we all revolting? :(
      • keozen, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8We also used to fling ***** at each other, live in caves and only live into our twenties, what's your point?
        People who spout such insensitive crap on a story like this however...
        • geobay, on 04/29/2008, -2/+6Some still do...
          • Rahodeb, on 04/29/2008, -32/+1we call them African's
          • themastersb, on 04/29/2008, -4/+1@Rahodeb
            I loled.
          • DangerMouse9, on 04/29/2008, -3/+0@Rahodeb

            Or diggers.
          • misguidedmonkey, on 04/29/2008, -4/+0The letter N is no where near the letter D on a keyboard. WTF?
          • relic180, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4And now I want to blow up the entire world because it's filled to the brim with racist trash.
    • tuckergrhm, on 04/29/2008, -4/+8BeefBaron you are a big arse. Yes, rape and incest is tragic and revolting. The victims of these crimes, may the see mercy. And you, may you never have to know the pain.
    • rugby4ward, on 04/29/2008, -3/+3I am not one to be in favor of the death penalty for anyone...But this crime is so bad, it makes me sympathetic to those who are in favor of it.
    • flashback99, on 04/29/2008, -7/+4Damn you omnipresent and just god, where the ***** were you? oh, sorry, you're perfect. forgive me.

      I agree with BeefBaron. None of you who digg him down can face reality.
      • revjustin2, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4You clearly don't understand what BeefBaron was asserting. He is questioning the moral authority of people who condemn locking up their daughters for 24 years based on the assertion that half our species has it's roots in rape and incest. You really agree with that?
        • relic180, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1His misuse of logic boggles my mind, and I certainly don't agree with misused logic.
    • SuperWinner, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3Makes you wonder how many other man made sex dungeons there are out there. For everyone one we find, there are probably a hundred we will never know about.
    • Shadow120, on 04/29/2008, -3/+2I just want to say that not ALL Australians are like this man. Australia is a fine country with rich heritage and I'm glad this didn't happen somewhere like mainland Europe so in Australia he had nowhere to run! He would have fallen in the water lol
      • wellyuk, on 04/29/2008, -2/+3I'm guessing you were trying to be funny, judging by the "lol" at the end of your comment, in case we didn't notice you were trying to be funny as opposed to just being a ***** idiot.
  • chanop, on 04/29/2008, -25/+14I wish my Mom's basement was that nice
    • exYU, on 04/29/2008, -0/+8You could probably rent this sweet place for less than your moms...
      • halobender, on 04/29/2008, -3/+4He lives there for free dufus.
        It's his mom's basement.
        • exYU, on 04/29/2008, -0/+7I wish my mom would let me live with her for free.
  • klick37, on 04/29/2008, -15/+4Jeeze. That girl who was locked up for 8 years just lost her thunder.
    • badoli, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1There were talks about the movie rights to her story... i guess, now it's too late.
  • diggafrica, on 04/29/2008, -13/+50He should face public stoning..., this is when Arab punishments become useful
    • cybe, on 04/29/2008, -15/+7Yes... Now insult is added to the injury when the people of Austria will have to pay for his holiday in prison.

      No criminal is afraid of prison. With the death-sentence people would think twice before committing serious crimes.
      • Tuto, on 04/29/2008, -3/+16No criminal is afraid of prison... are you high? Have you ever been to prison? Locked up in a little sell in a place where your every move is monitored and every decision is made for you. I think the death sentence might be the more human punishment compared to life in prison. In this case life in prison would be the best punishment, let the ***** taste his own medicine.
        • Kaitsu, on 04/29/2008, -9/+5Tell then, why don't prisoners end their own lives more often while they're locked up for long times, or even a lifetime?

          I think there's something wrong in the justice system if people who end up with long sentences don't end their lives, obviously prison is too simple life then. The system works when every prisoner ends their own lives voluntarily.
          • revjustin2, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5Please tell me you are joking. Please.
          • Tuto, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5This has got to be one of the weirdest comments ever. First of all committing suicide goes against human nature, so its never easy to do. Second people get used to the environment they live in. Even though prison life sucks ass it becomes bearable when you get used to it. You can consider this case as an example: This girl lived in a basement as her fathers sex slave for 24 years and she didn't kill her self. Is this an indication that her live wasn't horrible? Of course not, it just shows that humans like all animals are afraid of dying and will endure almost anything to avoid it.
          • tblasko, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Soooo basically you're saying wardens should have a KPI that tracks suicide attempts per inmate to measure their success?

          • Terr01, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1If the point was to have the person DIE then it wouldn't be life in prison, it'd be capital punishment and skip the whole psycho-fakeout stuff, moron!
        • flashback99, on 04/29/2008, -2/+3*****. Prison is hell, if you care about the outside. you also assume that criminals think logically and rationally and are capable of feeling guilt.

          It all stems from us trying to extract a rational meaning from horrendous tragedy. Culling people that dont fit into our boxes is not the answer.
        • Kaitsu, on 04/29/2008, -2/+2Why do you (flashback99) call it ***** without any rational explanation for your viewpoint? I asked, why do most criminals who get long to lifetime sentences ___voluntarily choose____ to live in "hell" for the rest of their life, which they could easily end whenever they want to? It's a simple question, but anyone who says what you say should try to answer it for themselves.

          Especially religious people tend to underestimate the value of existence.
          • revjustin2, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2I'm sorry, Kaitsu, but your invocation of rationality just isn't working for me. I don't think someone who states "The system works when every prisoner ends their own lives voluntarily" is really working within the realm of reason, logic, and what most people would agree is logical thought. You are trying to make the point that prison life must be just dandy because prison isn't the kind of place where choosing death over internment is preferable. Listen to yourself. You sound like a sociopath.
          • relic180, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Can't win arguments with straw-man fallacies. A system in which all (or even a majority) of the inmates commit suicide is not an indication that it has been tuned to the correct level of *****. There are far far far too many factors that would work against a majority rate of suicide. And you would somehow have to support the argument that most people want prisoners to always commit suicide, especially in a world where its becoming easier and easier to be thrown in prison. Especially if the right people want you there.
            Further more, people in the general populace would not find it acceptable punishment for committing any felony as cause for mandatory suicide. You realize that some people are only in prison for 2... 3... 10 years. Not everybody is in for life.
      • badoli, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8Leave us People of Austria out of this, please! I'm okay with him being locked away for the rest of his life. "Death penalty" isn't very popular over here, you know?
      • planetexpress, on 04/29/2008, -0/+8I'm sorry, you think a death sentence would make him think before he did any of this? People this crazy won't be "put off" by a potential death sentence, hell, he got away with it for 25 years!
        • relic180, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1he only got away with 24 of those years, technically speaking.
      • Gunsdead, on 04/29/2008, -0/+14People / Monsters like this have no concept of consequences. The death penalty or threat of incarceration would not have been a deterrent with this guy. I suspect that he has no remorse over what he has done and a limited if not completely absent grasp of reality. Evil and crazy...those are the scariest people on earth.
      • jrizzo, on 04/29/2008, -0/+9I love how you believe that these people THINK before doing any of this...
      • Kaitsu, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2And of course the most important feature of the death penalty isn't to just "teach that criminal a lesson", it's also for getting rid of the broken human being so he stops ruining other people's lives, i.e. getting released out of prison some day and going back to criminal deeds or smooching off tax money for the rest of their (luxurious and easy living) days.
        • silverstrike, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4Yes, because living in a 6x6 cage is "luxurious" and "easy living".

          I'm not even going to mention the constant effort of not getting stabbed by your fellow inmates.

          As for your tax money argument, you do realize he'd have to live 35 years behind bars (in the US anyway), to make it "cheaper" to execute him. The expensive, overtime, extra security, and court costs it takes to execute someone, VASTLY outweighs the financial burden of sticking them in a cell and feeding them $2/day in prison food.
      • tnoy, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Death penalty states on average have higher murder rates:
        http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=16 ...
      • Shadow120, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1I just want to say that not ALL Australians are like this man. Australia is a fine country with rich heritage and I'm glad this didn't happen somewhere like mainland Europe so in Australia he had nowhere to run! He would have fallen in the water lol
    • Pixelante, on 04/29/2008, -10/+2This is Europe. They'll make him a Justice Minister.
      • Hungryhaney, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4If it was America, would they make him president?
        Your point is retarded, but I bet you only take offense to the mirrored one.
        • Pixelante, on 04/29/2008, -1/+0The mirrored one is the one with a goatee?
      • jrizzo, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3My history prof always said, "promoted to the level of your incompetence."

        He also made fun of the French allot...
        • leb0wski, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1It's too bad you didn't have an English teacher to teach you how to spell "a lot."
        • Pixelante, on 04/29/2008, -1/+0Making fun of the French is like shooting the Red Cross. Provided the Red Cross would stay still, paint a large day-glo target on their chests and put a 5-meters tall sign reading SHOOT ME above their heads.
    • soogy, on 04/29/2008, -2/+10Sharia punishment, not Arab. Judaism and Christianity also call for stoning (see the Old Testament/Tanakh), so please don't turn this into a racial thing.

      ...And I agree.
      • Shadow120, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1I just want to say that not ALL Australians are like this man. Australia is a fine country with rich heritage and I'm glad this didn't happen somewhere like mainland Europe so in Australia he had nowhere to run! He would have fallen in the water lol
        • relic180, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3How many times are you going to repost this comment?
          What is this.. 4 copy/pastes now?
    • BearinG, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1Yeah stoning sounds ok in his case.. I mean, he goes to jail, he dies in maybe 5-10 years? she was in there 24 years!

      and im sure even prisoners see sunlight eventually..
  • Lazydriver, on 04/29/2008, -1/+6Ugh... Sick man.
  • canman888, on 04/29/2008, -0/+25Psychologists will have a fieldday figuring out how many shortcircuits he has in his brain... How he could/can justify this to himself is beyond me...
    • snotrokit, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8the old analogy of solving math by chewing bubble gum. The guy is just broken, i doubt they will ever figure that dude out. They need to put all of their efforts into that girl and the kids.
      • flashback99, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Sorry I dugg you down by mistake, but just wanted to say sorry! So true, what ever happened to PLAIN CRAZY? We think we're so clever that every action we commit MUST be rational...
      • wejmahtin, on 04/29/2008, -1/+0Who's also seriously broken is his wife, who obviously went along with it as she raised 3 of the daughter's children. We need to toss her on the fire too.
        • tblasko, on 04/29/2008, -0/+224 years of "I SAID, STAY AWAY FROM THE ***** BASEMEMT" should probably raise your suspicions about your spouse... but then again it was sound proofed and hidden behind cabinets.
    • loquax, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Around 1 in 10 people have been estimated to be "sociopathic" (to some degree) . They don't need (or care for) any kind of justification. They do it because they can and they enjoy it. The only thing this guy will ever be sorry for is that he got caught.
      • apackofmonkeys, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2It's scary. That "thrill-kill" kid at his trial last week looked like your average middle-class young adult. This Austrian guy had people around him that didn't think he was abnormal at all. Things like this show that anybody has a capacity for evil if they give in to their darker impulses.
  • crimsonpanda, on 04/29/2008, -1/+13liveleak is blocked here in China, could someone suggest a mirror, cheers.
  • tamacurtis, on 04/29/2008, -0/+20This has multiple levels of disgusting events that repeatedly make my stomach flop. I can't imagine the emotional turmoil that the entire family is going through because of one nut-job.
  • DesertDude, on 04/29/2008, -15/+6Now prepare for ten thousand replies of the "I'm against the death penalty except for cases like this" type, which often appear at stories like this. That's what happens when they forget for a moment about the lives of the lovely rapists/murderers/torturers and think about the victims for a change. Everyone's an idealist.
    • solidcube, on 04/29/2008, -4/+19The death penalty is not shown to act as a deterrent. Life in prison, on the other hand, is. Also, numerous innocent people have been found on death row. I'm sure you care about that.
      • bashar129, on 04/29/2008, -10/+3The only argument that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent is that: since there is still crime, the death penalty isn't effective as a deterrent. However, if a crime was deterred, it is impossible to collect statistics on it. Recent studies have shown that 4-18 lives could be saved by each execution and also that another life would be saved for every 2.57 years someone doesn't sit on death row. Just because the death penalty doesn't deter ALL crime does not mean it doesn't deter any crime.

        Also, every action humans take come with inherent risks. Over the past 100 years there have been 25 proven cases of wrongful execution in US history. 25. who knows how many lives have been prevented by keeping the death penalty as a possible form of punishment. Thousands of people die in car accidents every year, I'm sure you care about that. Will you try to ban driving? Every human actions comes with risks and rewards. In the case of the death penalty the rewards outweigh the risks.
        • Spire3660, on 04/29/2008, -2/+9HOw can you justify even one wrognful death done in the name of your justice? Capital punishment is state sponsored murder, nothing more. Thats 25 people WE have MURDERED for something that was not thier fault. I am disturbed that you feel confortable with killing innocent people for nothing more than revenge.
        • Hungryhaney, on 04/29/2008, -0/+8"However, if a crime was deterred, it is impossible to collect statistics on it. Recent studies have shown that 4-18 lives could be saved by each execution and also that another life would be saved for every 2.57 years someone doesn't sit on death row."
          So, on the one hand statistics can't be collected but on the other hand you cite statistics to prove your point??? WITHIN ONE SENTENCE OF EACH OTHER !!!
        • solidcube, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Sir, maybe you would like to volunteer to be the 26th. Or, hell, we'll just put you on death row for 10 years without allowing you to get your DNA tested. Then we'll finally let you test the DNA, which will exonerate you, but we will still refuse to release you. Then when we do release you, we'll say "Sorry" and refuse to pay reparations to you. And those are the lucky ones. You were saying what again about some cold statistics?
      • DesertDude, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1@solidcube: can you prove life in prison is more of a deterrent? That's one. Two: the death penalty must be made public. Would-be criminals and troubled teens need to see an execution. Society does. It needs to be televised too.
    • keozen, on 04/29/2008, -1/+6No, I'm still against the death penalty. The guy should be banged up for life.
      • PurpleSfinx, on 04/29/2008, -1/+6Same. Death would be the easy way out.
    • Pixelante, on 04/29/2008, -4/+2No, I'm not an idealist. Feed the guy to the pigs.
    • RealHyperX, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1true dat!
    • Tollboi, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1I think there is something to what you are stating, but I think the real harm comes from the fact that people believe crimes and punishments can simply be labeled and sorted. I think each crime needs to be looked at accordingly. For example in this case to say this man is only guilty of a kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment is a miscarriage of justice. He took away 25 years and the innocence of a child and in the process destroyed close to a dozen lives, so yes I do think people are going to have a stronger reaction to something like this.
  • st0pes, on 04/29/2008, -21/+9This just in: Austrian man Josef Fritzl and daughter set record for longest game of Dungeons and Dragons.
  • SuminderJi, on 04/29/2008, -11/+3I want more details - is she alive? Where are the othe siblings that were held captive? This is disturbing but fascinating as well... hollywood is going to jump on this.
    • zspade, on 04/29/2008, -0/+7Burried for a depressingly true window into human nature.
      • SuminderJi, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1I'm not a sick freak, hell I try not look at a accident while on the highway and continue driving. Yet this guy is extrodinary. He is NOT normal and for someone to figure out what he is thinking, what she was thinking - makes it for an interesting story.

        Reality > Fantasy - thats why I think this will be a movie or something close.
        • Gutterpunk, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1He might have meant that it's depressing that it's the first time you heard about the details
    • keozen, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5She is alive, one of the children is in hospital fighting for their life one child (born years ago) died a few days after birth, everyone else is alive and as well as you can expect after such a tragic ordeal (which is to say not well but alive)
  • exYU, on 04/29/2008, -0/+23Just thinking about the mental state that girl must be in is absolutely mind boggling.
    • badoli, on 04/29/2008, -4/+0Well, by now she isn't a girl anymore, she's a fullgrown woman.
    • aMammoth, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1I think that would be kinda what Wells was trying to get at in 1984.
  • keozen, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4A sick sick man who should rot in a prison of his own
  • sadz79, on 04/29/2008, -0/+7I can't even begin to imagine how the victims of this sick man must be dealing with it all.
    • charlietuna, on 04/29/2008, -2/+2And you were dugg down for that statement?
  • onuo, on 04/29/2008, -7/+0The reporter speaking sounds like he is from ITN however the graphics all look like they were created in imovie !!!
  • Snowstormer, on 04/29/2008, -0/+15And somehow his wife was upstairs the whole time not knowing as well? This disgusts me on so many levels.
    • wejmahtin, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6She had to have known. It says they raised 3 of the kids together. She's equally as sick imho.
  • DanielNielsen, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8The daughter and those poor kids will never be normal. That old ***** needs to die, perverted psycho.
  • brokencode, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3I feel sorry for those kids. They must feel so confused and disgusted.
  • esantipapa, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6youtube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jmP-Z2KSnM
    no rick roll...btw
  • TetchyTony, on 04/29/2008, -24/+4C'mon, tecchie guys - we can all condemn (and sincerely do) but how do you think it might have happened? One hypothesis... daughter is cross-eyed, so in ultra-orthodox Austria, hide her from the neighbours. Then she gets broody - what to do? (BIG mistake). Then it gets kinda routine - deceit, construction in cellars, etc etc. The fully-fit children get properly educated upstairs, those (maybe) less-fit stay hidden. And eventually in a crisis the whole charade collapses - for the best of reasons. No kind of defence, but do try some distorted empathy!
    • rikwakefield, on 04/29/2008, -1/+9I can't believe you even thought of justifying such an atrocity. You probably need locking up too.
    • Tollboi, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5If I did not feel sick from the story, you just made me puke in my mouth a little. I can honestly feel no empathy for this man in the slightest, and your comment really makes me wonder what kind of person you are. If I knew you I would check your basement in a heart beat.
    • irgeorge, on 04/29/2008, -2/+2Trying to empathise with criminals does not make you a criminal. Thought crime much!?
    • happyperson, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1You're a freek.
    • username484767, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0What games did they play?
    • dschrute, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1you're either a troll or a sick mother *****. If it's the latter, please kill yourself. Thanks.
  • halobender, on 04/29/2008, -15/+6She was or is a looker, I think she could have done better than her dad.

    /I'm kidding
  • Velvolver, on 04/29/2008, -9/+1Can't watch vids at work, someone tell me what happened!
    • SimonJohnson, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6They found a giant douche....
      • SuperWinner, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5How many popped collars was he sportin?
  • JointVenture, on 04/29/2008, -18/+3Was she hot? that would explain a lot.
    • rikwakefield, on 04/29/2008, -1/+6Sometimes I question humanity.
      • duke3k, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Well maybe you should crawl out of your idealist cave and get a look at the real world: the commenter you're mouthing is probably tracking somewhere near normal
  • gahal, on 04/29/2008, -7/+2Is that a douche bag hanging next to the sink? They call it a hot water bottle, but I'm not so sure.
    For some reason, that alone makes this even more creepy to me.
    • dianebl, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3It is a hot water bottle. I can't vouch for what it was used for, but that exact product is sold as a hot water bottle.
      • gahal, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2After some searches I am now seeing that product sold as a hot water bottle. I have never seen or heard of those till now.
        • wejmahtin, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1So what was the password to the secret entrance to your cellar? j/k.
  • thestaton, on 04/29/2008, -0/+9I wanna throw up.
    • AmericansRevolt, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0agreed, and furthermore i dont even want to go job hunting today... i havent felt this bad since 9/11
  • peterbye, on 04/29/2008, -1/+15His wife says she knew nothing about it -- where did she think the 3 children that lived with her came from ???
    • erc1204, on 04/29/2008, -1/+7the father forced his daughter to write a note saying that she was unable to take care of the children. Then he put the children on the doorstep with the note.
      The wife thought she had run away.
      • NegativeIon, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Dear Lord! Twisted
      • dddavid, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Or so she claims. Possible, yes, but likely?
        • bronxelf, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5People are capable of genuinely believing the completely outrageous rather than face the supremely horrifying. History has taught us over and over again that people will embrace (and believe) pretty much any lie in order to avoid a significantly more horrific truth.
    • akkibaba, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1She was told that the daughter (who had supposedly run away) left the newborn babies at their doorstep along with a letter that Fritzl forced her to write.
    • SuperWinner, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Can you imagine if he had died suddenly? All the people in the dungeon would have starved to death...
  • Tollboi, on 04/29/2008, -0/+7I am not a outwardly emotional person, but this actually makes my chest hurt and my stomach nauseous. I am also not religious at all, but I can not help to think, maybe there is a hell and that is reserved for people who do things like this.
  • DaDrake, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4I seriously doubt the mother didn't know..... if its comes out she did know and did nothing, she deserves life in prison.
  • willskillz, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6I don't get it. They said that Elisabeth and the 3 kids were locked up the entire time, but right in the middle of the clip that guy w/ the shades on is talking about going to school with her?? Either way, this makes me feel sick. Way worse then FLDS.
    • loquax, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Naw, FLDS is much worse because it is part of a self-sustaining culture that will go on for generations and continue to abuse children. The kids mentioned here have a good chance of leading somewhat normal lives and not doing this to others. They will still need life-long psychological and social help.
    • OctantisOne, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2he had 7 kids with her
      -3 were kept locked in with the mother
      -1 died as a baby
      -werde adopted by him, the story was always the same "he found them on his doorstep with a note from the "missin" mother"
    • quill, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Elisabeth was locked up when she was 18.
      • MaddieCakes, on 04/29/2008, -0/+111. They said he lured her into his house when she was 11.
        • autc04, on 04/29/2008, -0/+018. They said she was first abused when she was 11.
  • username484767, on 04/29/2008, -9/+1only a sicko would FAP FAP FAP to this, PERV!
  • UrbanVoyeur, on 04/29/2008, -7/+2This story is an answer for anyone who ever asked "How could the Holocaust happen in plain sight?"

    He is not a monster and is wife is neither blind nor ignorant. Sadly, they are both simply human.
    • Rotzooi, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1Not really, this guy is the very definition of monster.
  • gryphon50, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5It's hard when you think back to 1984 (which may very well before many diggers' birth-date!) and realize that for that whole time, she has been locked in that cellar.
    • unclebuck, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Very disturbing thought indeed. I entered high school in 1984. I can't even begin to imagine spending all those years underground in a cellar. I'm amazed that woman didn't go so ***** insane as to kill her self and possibly even her own kids and that evil monster of a father.
      • BearinG, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1When the door opens though.. wouldn't you try to run out or something? I guess they might have believed it was "better" to stay then trying to escape..

        I mean, if i was stuck in a sewer and then once a day you can see OUTSIDE (outside the dungeon in this case).. wouldn't you try to escape? I can understand not the kids understanding.. but she was 19 when she was first locked up..

        Anyway i know its not as easy as it looks but man.. 24 years! I couldn't even stay locked in a cellar for a day..
    • jamaster06, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2I'm the same age as she is. 1984 was soooo long ago. This is so tragic.
  • catswhisker, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5i think the death penalty would be altogether far too humane for a beast like this man, to be put to death would be an end for him, however the ordeal will be with the others for the rest of their lives.
    If i was the mother of this woman, my knee jerk reaction would be slow and painful, I mean lets put this in context, he abused his own daughter, he fathered and delivered the children himself, he deprived 3 of them of the basic things we all take for granted, his daughter Elisabeth has been in a cellar with no outside contact, no daylight since 1984, think of all the things she and her children are going to have to come to terms with, and get used to just to be able to have some kind of a normal life from hereon in.
    I looked at my adored kids this morning and tried to ask myself how a parent could do this to their own child, all I could feel was anger toward this man and taste bile in my throat at his actions.
    Just when i think "human nature" can no longer shock me, something like this comes to the fore and we are reminded that for some people there are no depths of depravity than cannot be stooped to.
    how the hell could this have happened, it is reported in the media that the man has a previous conviction for a sexual attack, and yet without too much questioning he has been granted adoption for 3 of the children, did anyone not ask questions then?
    And another thing that puzzles me, why only 3 children were removed by him from the cellar?
    i really hope and pray (me not being an overly religious person, its a big deal to say that!) that Elisabeth and her children manage to have some kind of a life after this, that they can have some sort of resolution to this and i hope the eldest daughter of Elisabeth is well soon, but i have to add that i think a happy ever after scenario after abuse the scale of this magnitude is not too likely, there are so many difficult hurdles to be overcome, one question is of course has the eldest daughter a genetic disorder, and if so what are the implications to the other children?


  • captric, on 04/29/2008, -4/+10
    International Crime Statistics
    Crime happens all over the world. But where do certain crimes happen more often? Here are the latest statistics from Nationmaster (per capita refers to amount of victims per 1000 people):


    Total Crimes:
    1. United States - 23,677,800
    2. Germany - 6,264,723
    3. United Kingdom - 5,170,831
    4. France - 3,771,849
    5. South Africa - 3,422,743


    Burglaries per capita:
    1. Australia - 21.93
    2. Dominica - 18.72
    3. Denmark - 18.39
    4. Estonia - 17.34
    5. Finland - 16.79


    Car Thefts per capita:
    1. Australia - 6.98
    2. Denmark - 5.94
    3. New Zealand - 5.50
    4. Norway - 5.10
    5. France - 4.99



    Assaults per capita:
    1. Montserrat - 10.38
    2. Mauritius - 8.83
    3. New Zealand - 7.55
    4. Canada - 7.18
    5. Australia - 7.08
    • drastik21, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2So where is Austria?
      • captric, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2According to the INTERPOL data, for murder, the rate in 2001 was 1.96 per 100,000 population for Austria, for burglary, the rate in 2001 was 1,035.60 for Austria, 233.60 for Japan
    • jamaster06, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Canada #4 on the assaults list? Hard to believe.
      • SuperWinner, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3We're a very frustrated people, lots of beer makes us violent.
        • BearinG, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1Bah, really? I'm from Canada and never been a violent drunk.. another reason to allow marijuana consumption.. maybe calm you ***** down..

      • captric, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1I can understand why you are a frustrated people certainly. That actually is part of the problem, another factor is your lack of punishment where violent people are allowed to walk the streets when they should be in prison.
        • banderwocky, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Kinda like the same problem in various states in the US eh?
  • MortalynFlux, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3The bathroom reminds me of an IKEA display. At least the size, anyway.
  • hasslinthehoff, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4The only punishment that could possibly come close is that he's forced to spend the rest of his days in that dungeon by himself and it becomes his tomb when he dies and is sealed forever. Raze the house and make it a small park dedicated to that poor woman and her children. I think a case like this calls for something this drastic.
  • unclebuck, on 04/29/2008, -2/+4I can't help but wonder with the daughters in the cellar now being 18 and 19 years old, how much longer would it have been before "grandpa" started ***** his grandkids and the cycle started to repeat with a new generation. This whole story is so ***** up beyond belief it just makes me want to puke. Damn, what if that old bastard had died before his secret was discovered? I guess everyone locked in the cellar would have just starved to death and their bones discovered many years later.
  • cloudcity, on 04/29/2008, -4/+2The lack of usually convenient moral relativism here is astounding...

    Wasn't he just trying to "advance his genes"? If we are animals to begin with, then shouldn't the stronger/smarter of the species survive?
  • nycmac247, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3The mother clearly knew
  • DiggFellow, on 04/29/2008, -5/+0Bury'd for Scary as Hell
  • Mr.Gone, on 04/29/2008, -8/+1Pfft Only in Americ....Ca...Ca...Ca.... CANADA!? Yes!!! Finally! We didn't make this one!
    • Mr.Gone, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1Au...au....au....Austria? Where the hell did I see Ontario. Sorry Canada.
    • banderwocky, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2what the tardtastic are you talking about? this is Austria genius.
      • Mr.Gone, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1Holy ***** really! OMG I should probably post a reply where I realize that. I would say "Au...au....au....Austria? Where the hell did I see Ontario. Sorry Canada." or something like that. Oh wait.
  • donkeySays, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1I read the first news only half-way and gave up. Not gonna look at the cellar. Man, this is ***** sick!!!!
  • reuscel, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1My faith in humanity gets shaken more and more every day.
  • Puisapres, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1If there was ever a time for Pedobear, it's now
  • Shadow120, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1I just want to say that not ALL Australians are like this man. Australia is a fine country with rich heritage and I'm glad this didn't happen somewhere like mainland Europe so in Australia he had nowhere to run! He would have fallen in the water lol
    • sjaxso, on 04/30/2008, -1/+2uh? Austria?
      • HerbSolo, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1yeah - we Austrians get it all the time. - Well - when Waldheim was in the News we didn't get it all that much.
  • AmericansRevolt, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1***** anyone who wrote a smart or sarcastic comment. i felt like puking after seeing that video. im done with new for a few weeks now, i think im going to go outside and enjoy my trees and flowers... and that man should be forced to donate all of his organs while his heart is still beating, on live television.
  • toastgodsupreme, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2I want to know more...

    How did the wife not know?

    What was the girl's condition when she was found? Could she talk?

    What were the 3 children's condition who were with the girl?

    How did he get caught?

    Why didn't she try to escape when he brought her food or whatever else?

    How big exactly was this cellar?

    Why didn't the wife notice the door to this area?

    Was the girl reported as missing 24 years ago? If so, was he questioned about it as a suspect?
    • keozen, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1From watching the BBC News last night:
      1) The dungeon itself was apparently built in around 1983 when he and his wife ran a Bed & Breakfast, she lived at the B&B during the season with him staying at home so she had no clue it was being set up. As for during it was going on i have no clue.
      2) Described on the news last night as "pale and weak". She can talk. Apparently some of the kids have some trouble speaking tho.
      3) One is in intensive care, the other two are as well as can be expected in the circumstances (as in alive but prob ***** up in the head with all this).
      4) One of the three children in the cellar had been ill and slipped into a coma, for the first time in his life he did the right thing and opened the door and took the child to a hospital, it all unwound from there.
      5) No idea, presumably she did at first, but that was over 20 years ago, I suppose you'd stop trying after so long)
      6) A series of small rooms (and by small i mean small, see the video)
      7) It was carefully hidden in a wall panel in an un-used room, apparently it required a code to open & it was sound proofed
      8) Not sure, it's not been mentioned.
  • DjArcadian, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1This makes me want to puke.
  • tiamat1990, on 04/30/2008, -0/+0I hope that ***** is sent to prison and made to bunk with a rapist. This makes me sick. I just don't understand how people can do revolting crap like this.
  • teambosun, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1I've seen it all folks--goatse, tubgirl, 2g1c, but it's story like this that actually makes me sick.

    And worse, I just had to do the math. Girl is 24 and her kids are around 11-15, which means she first had them when she was 9. That's NINE.

    ....why???
    • OctantisOne, on 04/30/2008, -0/+0the "girl" is 42 not 24, but its still sick, because the father started raping her at 11, then at 18 he finally locked her up for the next 24 years
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