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- poohat1000, on 01/25/2008, -15/+280nothing these bastards do surprises me. They need off our intrawebs
- cradz, on 01/25/2008, -13/+212Jesus could beat up Xenu, truth.
- AloholicPancake, on 01/25/2008, -17/+194Wow, they're just bashing all religions until it seems like they're the only good one...
***** Scifags. - 1337js, on 01/25/2008, -77/+215I don't know about Jesus but Mohammed was definitely a pedophile who raped little girls.
- inactive, on 01/25/2008, -26/+154[Scriptural Evidence] Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari [the most venerated and authentic Islamic source]
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). - jhandfield, on 01/25/2008, -4/+128Now this is an interesting confrontation. Does the average (vocal) Digger's hatred of Christianity outweigh their apparent hatred of Scientology, or vice versa?
- Arachnology, on 01/25/2008, -36/+151For the love of god, those ***** need to GTFO my internets.
***** scifags. - TheVigilante, on 01/25/2008, -5/+108Wasn't it proven that L. Ron Hubbard was a pedophile?
- inactive, on 01/25/2008, -73/+172Wow! It's like a fight between the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
- soulkitchen, on 01/25/2008, -3/+88I've got an idea, somebody forward this to the Westboro Baptist Church.
- Rikkochet, on 01/25/2008, -13/+98How uncharacteristic of a religion...
- leexy, on 01/25/2008, -11/+80You can't apply the standards of whatever place and time you're living in, to what happened in Arabia 15 centuries ago. What is a pedophile in your opinion? Someone that screws people who aren't 18? 16? 15? 14? 13? Who decides? The age of consent in Germany or Austria is 14; in Spain, it's 13. In other places, it goes down as low as 12 years old. We don't have the same genes or cultures, and different people achieve sexual maturity at different times. There's this girl of 5 years old who gave birth in Peru. And besides sexual maturity, people mature differently in general. That's for the "pedophile" part.
The claim that it was "rape" is ludicrous given that the whole marriage was as a favor to Aisha's father (the first male Muslim). If there was indeed rape, she wouldn't have been so lenient on the prophet when recounting her experiences. To quote the Wiki: A rape is a form of assault where one individual forces another to have sexual intercourse against that person's will. Nothing of the sort happened in this case. It was an arranged marriage with the blessing of the whole family, and Aisha didn't object to it. Granted, she was young, but there are plenty of young kids with more judgment, determination and wits than adults. I am not saying she falls in that category, but surely you must be able to realize that your "rape" claim is ridiculous.
Finally, you use the term "little girls" in plural form as if it was a common occurrence. Nothing is farther from the truth. The prophet married mostly widows, which are often of a certain age. The idea being that it is the best way to fulfill their sexual and economic needs. In fact, at the age of 25, the prophet's first wife was 40 years old. It is not contested that Khadija was the "love of his life".
It may also be worth mentioning that the actual age at which the marriage with Aisha was consummated is not exactly a settled issue. The number fluctuates from 9 to as much as 15 years old. Which was it does not really matter in my opinion. Does Georges Washington's marriage to a 12 years old take away any of the man's achievements? You decide. For my part, I am not ready to judge something that happens centuries ago based on some arbitrary figure modern society decided upon. - inactive, on 01/25/2008, -13/+81Well, I actually did quite a bit of searching to see if this was somehow misquoted or taken out of context. It isn't - man, thats ***** up.
- inactive, on 01/25/2008, -15/+83Off the intrawebs?
Moar like off the face of the earth. - rjam710, on 01/25/2008, -4/+65To be fair, those are the actions of one extremist group (Westboro Baptist Church) and not the general attitude of all Christians. Scientologists, on the other hand, are all equally bat-***** crazy.
- inactive, on 01/25/2008, -6/+58"Nobody ***** with the Jesus"
- alkajazz, on 01/25/2008, -11/+62Back in those days after the girl had her first menstrual period she was considered fit for marriage. I think its kind of a stretch to say he was a pedophile.
- inactive, on 01/25/2008, -7/+57It is not ***** up considering that marrying girls has been a tradition throughout most of the known world for thousands of years. While Europeans did not technically practice the marrying of their children off to men, it was NOT uncommon for a 12-14 year old to be married off to an older man. In fact, other than the modern times we live in, it was very common for a person above the age of 18 to marry someone in their teens. While 9 yrs. old definitely is much younger than a teen, this tradition is still practiced today in places like Pakistan and India...except I don't think the men are allowed to have sex with them until a certain age. Not saying that's right, just saying it is...
- vwvan, on 01/25/2008, -3/+52don't confuse Jesus with a few Boston Priests who shouldn't have been.
Priests should either marry or become cowboys so these problems don't happen. - kavery, on 01/25/2008, -9/+56Xenu licks my balls.
- dondara, on 01/25/2008, -2/+46Yes. And a pathological liar hence the "church's" stand on psychiatry. I mean, of course he hated the guys who labeled him as such. But if the shoe fits ...
- Quilby, on 01/25/2008, -7/+50The case file for Church of Scientology International v. Fishman and Geertz contains over 700 documents. This web page presents a declaration filed by Steven Fishman on April 9, 1993 in which he included the OT (Operating Thetan) materials as exhibits. Links to a few other interesting affidavits are given at the end of the page. The order form for these materials will not be honored now, since the judge sealed the files on August 15, 1995.
Fishman Declaration
Court-stamped page numbers appear in parentheses. Occasional descriptions of drawings also appear in parentheses.
Declaration and Exhibits
* Cover page
* Declaration of Steven Fishman
* Exhibit A: Proof of Service
* Exhibit B: On Control and Lying
* Exhibit C: Witness Preparation: Hatting the Witness
* Exhibit D: Addendum to Witness Preparation
* Exhibit E: Project Quaker
* Exhibit G: Summary of and comments upon 'Dissemination of material'
* Exhibit G: Original Exhibit G
OT (Operating Thetan) Materials
* pp. 60-62: OT I Description
* pp. 63-75: Summary of and comments upon OT II
* pp. 76-100: Summary of and comments upon OT III
* pp. 101-104: OT IV Rundown
* pp. 105-109: OT V
* pp. 110-112: OT VI
* pp. 113-123: OT VII Rundown
* pp. 124-128: OT VIII Part 1: Why Thetans Mock Up
* pp. 129-132: OT VIII Part 2: OT VIII Series I Confidential Student Briefing
Note: the Church claims that the OT VIII documents are forgeries. This has for some time been the official CoS-statement; probably because OT8 includes some very strange theories about Jesus and many real churches were outraged because of it.
See for instance this quote from (Hubbard's?) OTVIII:
For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.
It is a good joke that the Galactic Confederacy is associated with the Serpent in the Garden, the beast and other emissaries of the "Prince of Darkness". Yet in certain passages and esoteric interpretations of the Bible (much of which has been taken out and effectively suppressed for centuries) as well as the Cabbalah, the truth reveals itself quite nicely for the clever and the ungullible.
Because of this fragment OT8 has become known as the "Jesus is a pedophile"-OT. Until recently, CoS was adamant that OT8 was a forgery.
Until recently. When Arnaldo Lerma's house was raided by CoS, they took his computer. Under the writ of seizure, they were allowed only to identify files that were copyrighted bij CoS / RTC. A CoS lawyer - Kendrick Moxon, expert attorney and a senior OT - was asked to supervise this, and guess what: he identified OT8 as an RTC copyright and therefore, as a church scripture.
Here is a quote from the court transcripts. Mr. Sullivan (Lerma's lawyer) is speaking and explains to Judge Brinkema which documents Moxon selected as copyright infringements. The Mr. Cooley he is speaking of, is CoS's lawyer for the case, who had earlier in that same session repeated the offical statement that OT8 is a forgery. So, the two CoS lawyers clearly disagree, but Moxon is the one called in as the expert on the copyrights:
page 81
1 what Mr. Cooley represented was a very highly placed
2 Scientology attorney, a gentleman by the name of Mr. Moxin
3 (phonetic), an attorney from Los Angeles, who we were told
4 had obtained the requisite spiritual level to review these
5 materials.
6 Now, we got back 58 disks that allegedly contained
7 the infringing materials. We went through those disks. We
8 went through three of those disks. We printed out some of
9 the shorter ones and went through them in the 30(b)6
10 deposition that we conducted, and the plaintiffs designated
11 Mr. McShane, the President of the RTC, as its 30(b)6
12 witness.
13 We went through three of these documents,
14 presented to him in their entirety. What did we find out?
15 One that they designated as an infringement was this OT 8
16 document that Mr. Cooley speaks of with great passion, that
17 it's a forgery. 'It's an outrageous slander against Jesus
18 Christ.' They designated that and impounded it, Your Honor.
19 They seized it from Mr. Lerma and they impounded it, the
20 same document this they lambast the Washington Post for
21 printing excerpts of.
22 Now, what's the explanation that we are offered in
23 response when we questioned them at the deposition? Well,
24 we are told that obviously Mr. Moxin does not know which
25 documents are which.
page 82
1 We submit to this Court that if Mr. Moxin, a
2 highly placed church attorney, could not make the
3 distinction between which is which, how can Mr. Lerma be
4 expected to act at his peril?
So now CoS has a severe problem. There are two possible answers:
- OT8 is a fake. In which case Moxon overstepped the judge's rules for the search on Lerma's files big time - he designated and impounded it - and also doesn't know his OT's from a forgery (and didn't the cult claim that their technologies improve memory?)
- OT8 is not a fake. In which case Hubbard did refer to Jesus as 'a lover of young boys' and CoS's lawyer Cooley was lying in court when he said that OT8 was a forgery.
Change of Venue
* Preliminary notice of motion to reconsider transfer of venue
* Proofs of service for above motion
Other Affidavits Filed in the Fishman Case
* Stacy Young: Affidavit I
* Stacy Young: Affidavit II
* Andre Tabayoyon
* Mary Tabayoyon
* Vaughn Young
* David Miscavige
* Vicki Aznaran - BryanG412, on 01/25/2008, -39/+81Just In: Religions made up, problem solved!
- inactive, on 01/25/2008, -2/+38Ahem. Cough. Wasn't L Ron Hubbard a convicted child molester?
- soulrock, on 01/25/2008, -6/+41Yikes!
- Ramble, on 01/25/2008, -3/+37That's nothing, I once knew this guy who was a Muslim Hindu.
- brufleth, on 01/25/2008, -4/+37The Tooth Fairy has the advantage of being well financed. They can hire mercenaries while the Easter Bunny is stuck recruiting from people who will work for candy.
- viruz, on 01/25/2008, -32/+63Those were different times. Heck a lot of people died in their teens and twenties.. so 9 would have been middle aged.
- theutopian, on 01/25/2008, -10/+39You sensationalist's ever heard of ethno-centrism. Jeez, it was a different time with a completely different value system.
- MacEnvy, on 01/25/2008, -8/+35LURK MOAR
- CLShortFuse, on 01/25/2008, -4/+31No it doesn't.
- inactive, on 01/25/2008, -6/+33While I'm not versed in ancient Israel, in Greece some 2-something thousand years ago, if you were a man of certain status and weren't interested in young boys, all the other Greeks would consider you a deviant. Tempora muntantur, guys. Tempora mutantur.
- inactive, on 01/25/2008, -5/+31Maybe they just think that to justify L. Ron.
Join the Super Adventure Club and you too can molest children around the world. - offspring06, on 01/25/2008, -3/+28Chris Hanson: Have a seat over there. What is in that bottle?
Jesus: Oh that is just water
Chris Hanson: Are you sure, it looks like wine to me
Jesus: Well it was water. - inactive, on 01/25/2008, -1/+26Actually followers of Islam wouldn't bash Christian teachings, since they actually believe in Jesus, Moses etc. Insulting Jesus would be a huge sin for them. They will, however, bash Christians as having deviated from 'the right path'.
- viruz, on 01/25/2008, -8/+30I hope that is sarcasm..hard to tell without a winky face or anything.
- graemee, on 01/25/2008, -2/+22Jesus: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Xenu: No. I am your father.
Jesus: No No. That's not true! That's impossible! - ozymandias2012, on 01/25/2008, -4/+24Yeah....and Lord Xenu rules the universe and threw the Thetans into volcanos.
- sdigroup, on 01/25/2008, -4/+23bottom _____________ Scientology = EVIL
- DevilInPgh, on 01/25/2008, -2/+218 year olds, dude.
- SLockhart, on 01/25/2008, -5/+24No on no no, Stop right there. Those were certainly not Christians. If I call myself a surgeon does that make me one? No.
- SuperVepr308, on 01/25/2008, -4/+23After this statement, "It is a good joke that the Galactic Confederacy" does anything really matter?
- RockeN5, on 01/25/2008, -10/+29Seriously.. don't Christians pull the same stuff off, all the time? What about the Roman Catholic Church? They are built on a history of seeming like "they're the only good one".
- inactive, on 01/25/2008, -3/+21Finally a well thought out comment that doesn't bash anyone.
- Maver1ckX, on 01/25/2008, -11/+29You don't see any other religions that do this (not that i know of anyways) which proves its nothing more than a cult
- burnin8r28, on 01/25/2008, -1/+18the more you have sex with little boys, the more you become...immortal
- graemee, on 01/25/2008, -1/+18Correct Bat-***** is an equal opportunity employer.
- bjornski, on 01/25/2008, -2/+18Which is a losing battle for My Bunny.
The more he "pays" his workers, the faster they give their teeth to the fairy. - smacksaw, on 01/25/2008, -3/+18This is why Anon's plan is flawless. Should Co$ try to sue Anon, with all of the stuff that's now out in public domain it will put it in the courts for examination and ridicule.
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