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School girls, leave your Muslim veils at home

msnbc.msn.com — Students in England could be banned from wearing full-face Muslim veils for security or educational reasons under government guidelines to be published on Tuesday, officials said.

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  • ventrilqstman, on 10/12/2007, -100/+210Great! maybe the US, the UK, and others will actually stop letting muslims run our countries, by whining, riots, and threats.

    And who knows.... in a future time many muslims could learn that it does not really win people over to say your a "Religion Of Peace", and then go start a riot, to tell the world about it, and then cut someones throat because they are a normal human being.

    Then again since muslims have been a religion of the sword ever since their founding, that's not likely that they'll change now.
    • sk83k, on 10/12/2007, -31/+168I agree with ventrilqstman.I live in the UK and sometimes it feels that minorites get preferential treatment, not EQUAL treatment.
    • d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -56/+17Actually, Muslims don't say "Religion of Peace". That was George W. Bush that popularized that phrase.
    • SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -26/+165@ventrilgstman
      You're absolutely right, but the political-correctness police on Digg will be digging you down.

      If a Quran is burned or Mohammed drawn in a cartoon, Muslims literally kill people for it. Yet they burn effigies of our leaders and they desecrate our holy books.

      If you want to live in a European or North American nation, you have to at least agree with the basic fundamentals of that society.
    • Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -55/+98Christianity has only been peaceful, clean-looking, friendly religion for only the last hundred years or so. Remember the Crusades? The Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, Why did the pilgrims leave england if christianity was so happy, new world "missionary" colonies that were basically slave plantations for the native americans.
      To argue that one religion is better than another, or one is more harmful than another is a fool's excerise. Theyre all equally bad.
    • Easty, on 10/12/2007, -42/+29sultantravi:
      Yep, every single Muslim goes out and kills somebody. Not an extremely vocal minority who've got press coverage coming out the wazoo. Oh no.
    • Haohmaru, on 10/12/2007, -28/+18@crass22
      You give "christianity" too much credit. If it's leaders haven't directly fomented war they vigorously encourage their members to support it.
    • southwestnut, on 10/12/2007, -22/+17There is a difference between Christianity and the Crusades. Christianity is a melting pot word for anything "other than". The crusades were driven by the Catholics, not Judeo Christians. But why you brought that up still puzzles me.
    • catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -12/+74Maybe you guys are in the wrong thread or something because nobody mentioned christianity, much less christianity as it was hundreds of years ago. This is about present-day islam in England. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove or justify by saying christianity is bad, especially since most diggers here are atheists.
    • evilTak, on 10/12/2007, -21/+12Hundred years? It's not so peaceful and friendly-looking *today.*
    • benitojuarez, on 10/12/2007, -18/+67religion has no place in school anyway.
    • SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19@easty
      Yeah, you're right. It's not like most Muslims are radical.
      http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002/02/27/usat-poll.htm

      Note that this is pre-Iraq.
    • roosterjm2k2, on 10/12/2007, -24/+51Crass, I love people like you. You don't know what you're talking about, but you go off like you do.

      The crusades? The Crusades was a defense. Muslims had spread, through conquering everything in their path, through all of northern Africa and into Europe. The crusades were less about religion and more about defending europe.

      The Salem Witch Trials were puritans. Puritans were just crazy people. ...

      You're correct that all religions have almost always been violent at some point, but if you make a statement, and try to back it with examples, pick relevant examples.
    • nullcodes, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Most people have never read the texts of their own religion. Regardless of what the muslim texts say, most muslim countries were turning rational until fairly recently when the extremist whackos started running around saying "you should do this" and "you should do that". You could have seen that more less in the election results of a lot of muslim countries (except Iran). It's the religious leadership that zones in on whatever crap and decide what the people should do and then the people follow it .. from coercion .. out of fear .. irrationality .. demonic possession? I dunno.

      Anyway, what I am saying is that .. yes, the pro scarf people are stupid. It doesn't serve any function, and given the curiosity levels .. probably even the opposite of what's intended. However, I would say that a lot of anti scarf people are against the wearing of the scarf not because of supposed security issues (you never know what a third grader may carry in their head scarf) but because they hate the sight of muslims and maybe all the non-muslim "dirty" third worlders too. However knowing that they'd never get the required majority support of their hate agenda, they're lucky they have this security BS as a convenient excuse to paint all the muslims as a bunch of irrational loonies.
    • KDX200rider, on 10/12/2007, -3/+43@crass22

      You said it yourself, "100 years ago". Christianity has come a long way since the crusades. I think it is time that Islam do the same.
    • nodong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20The pilgrims left England because they were freaky extremist Christians, hence the Salem witch trials, not because Christianity was intolerant of them.
    • orlyfactor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@crass22:

      The pilgrims fled The Church of England and the persecution they were receiving from them.
    • crossmr, on 10/12/2007, -17/+7@crass22

      Christianity is a friendly religion? Paedophilia and mr rogers go hand in hand? well...
      persecution of gays? abortion clinics? etc...
      all done in the name of christianity. You'll argue that the actions are done in the name of christianity but not what its really all about. The same could be said for any religion that has a bad rap.
      Fact is its still the hate spewing fear mongering religion is always been.

    • hiPpymIck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4current and past history are too full of these self-glorifiers
      too ready to suffer for their brand of explaining the limits of human Knowledge

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr

      they set a bad example..we should stop feeding their martyr complex
      (IMHO)
    • lookitsbeige, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30You guys are idiots. Not every single religious (Muslim, Christian, whatever) person is an extremist. Stop generalizing an entire group of people based on what you hear and see on T.V. There are some nice people in the world. Digg me down haters.
    • CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27It's in the Koran that when in non Muslim countries women should not wear veils:

      http://digg.com/politics/Verse_of_the_Holy_Koran_advises_against_the_wearing_of_burkas
    • Haohmaru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@hiPpymIck
      Well, you could HARDLY limit that to the realm of religion.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government
    • lazyeyesam, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@crass

      Are you familiar with the tensions between Protestants and Catholics in Ireland?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_march
    • Haohmaru, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@CornStarch
      Phht, like anyone actually reads their holy books.
    • Raian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Great- the world comes one step closer to ridding itself of religion. I hope crosses are next on the list.
    • TheCash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Isn't this old news?

      I thought the UK had a ban policy for all religious bits in its schools, be they Crucifixes, yamuca's, or burkas.

      Now if this was something that specifically targeted the muslims, I could understand their frustration, but seeing how it is most likely an across the board thing as it was last time this issue was raised (what, a year ago?) they are basically saying they want to be treated better then anyone else, and not like equals with equal laws.
    • Neem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@crass22
      The post to which you are replying does not compare religions it just says that the Muslim community is a very volatile and barbaric one in general (go ahead remind me of the one very nice Muslim neighbor you have, and how generalizations are wrong) but any group of people who does as they do and then talk about how they are all peaceful and understanding people is full of *****, regardless of religion. Christians have their own bag of crap they carry around and spew every which way, but no one is comparing.
    • mrwiggles123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It should be blocked, the fact that it has to do with religion is irrelevant

      If you cant wear hats you shouldn't be allowed to wear vails
    • eonblue, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5Jeebus you people scare me. I can't believe what I'm reading... the intolerance level is off the scale.

      If people want to wear brukas let them. If they want to pray in schools let them. The problem with religion in school only arises when kids begin to get indoctrinated or forced to do things. I am an athiest but I see no problem with letting anyone wear what they want. Further more If you let them wear burkas don't you think that would be somewhat of an de-advertisement for the religion? Do you think a young girl looking at somone in a full body covering robe would look at that and think "I want to be a muslim?"

      Until muslims ask for laws that LIMIT OTHERS FREEDOMS, whether it be to life or liberty or their own pursuit of hapiness, is there really any problem? Would you really let their rights be walked over? If you do you're no better then any race/religion/creed's extremists.

      Think for yourself and don't jump on the bandwagon.

      ****It is sickening that laws today are being used to restrict freedom instead of preserve them, Remember that****
    • captaineuphoria, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12What does christianity have to do with muslim veils in schools, you defensive morons?
    • JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Leave your veils at home. Lets see that ass.
    • dylanrush, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14If any muslim in the UK had a problem with this, I would suggest they go back to the country they came from.
    • Afreyt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"You guys are idiots. Not every single religious (Muslim, Christian, whatever) person is an extremist. Stop generalizing an entire group of people based on what you hear and see on T.V. There are some nice people in the world. Digg me down haters."

      Every single religious person, with the exception perhaps of some strains of secular Buddhists, believe in the existence of a divinity that will judge them, that they have the key to immortality, that if only they behave in certain ways they will be rewarded after they die. Now I'm no expert, but considering the evidence, I find that to be an extreme position to take on the nature of reality and mortality.

      Yes, there are some nice people in the world. Nice, crazy people who demand that you take their fairy tales seriously.
    • andyrobo60, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8no were in islam does it say girls HAVE to ware it. So they have no reason to complain, they should follow with school uniform and stop bitching.
    • BESTenemy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9 Not a Muslim myself, but I'd gladly wear a veil to piss off cameras with face recognition software that are abundant in Britain.

      As for schools - they're all about conformity and production of identical clones of a human being. While learning to think alike, please remember to look alike also. Religion has no place in school, as well as any other kind of individualism, good or bad. Wait for the bell, proceed to the next room. Wait for the bell. Proceed to the next room. Rinse, lather, repeat... for about 12 years.
    • returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I agree. Let's also leave your Jesus crosses, yamikas and bibles at home for security reasons.

      Anyone here that believes in freedom but that Muslim woman should not be allowed to veil themselves are nothing more than a bunch of hypocrits. For Muslims, peity is their source of freedom. It may not be yours, but it is theirs. Nobody is going to kill them if they decide not to veil themselves. And least none of the Muslim women I have met have ever complained that the attire was being forced on them.

      While your at it. Let's start disrobing our nuns for security reasons as well.
    • returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Quite frankly, I think the boys and girls will concentrate better at school if the girls decide to veil themselves. Sexy, overexposed girls were always a distraction for me.
    • Parasocks, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6You people are all so very scared of what you do not understand, and rather than try to understand it better, you just take a stand that it's "wrong".. What's so wrong about it? Most muslim women who choose to wear a burka do so to respect their husbands. While you may not understand this, what is there to disagree with? Do you feel it is your duty and mission to walk into muslim homes and what, teach them they're wrong?

      I'm at a loss to understand this. These are two entirely seperate issues, that aren't being handled correctly at all. If for security reasons they want to take photos of the girls without a burka, what's the problem there?

      What you guys are really mad at is that you country is changing. It's changing in ways that you didn't plan for or expect, and you think that somehow that's taking something away from you. However, you are just being a bad neighbour. I have yet to answer my door and have a muslim person try to tell me about their religion, or ask my wife to wear a burka, or tell my children what to do. They don't.

      I do however open my door regularly to some christian wacko trying to "save me".

      If I was a muslim, the way the average north american talks about my religion and my people, I would be angry. However if a muslim man acts on his anger, he's a terrorist. If a white guy acts on his anger, he's a patriot! Where's the justice?

      The truth is, when the USA is clearly in the wrong about something, they just shrug it off. When an entire nation of people is against you, it doesn't phase you, or even tempt you to change your minds. I'd say you just dig your feet in more than anything. The only time you're willing to change your stance is when it affects your livelihood. SUV's in 2000-2005 for example were the hottest thing.. Everyone knew that it was going to be a problem around the corner, but it wasn't affecting them yet.. Now it's all green this energy that, and everyone is dumping their SUV's.. But it's only the gas prices, it's not because you're nice people and want to do the right thing.

      Native indians? Japan? Now it's muslims.

      You cry that they're a barbaric warlike people who "live by the sword" But you all rush out to see 300 and cheer it on. You support the troops even if their mission is invalid, better to look stupid than unpatriotic I guess. You have entire cities full of your own people who "live by the gun" and your police departments don't do much about it, but you feel a need to travel halfway across the world to teach people with swords a lesson? C'mon? Baltimore, St. Louis, San Antonio, many parts of NY, there's tons of cities with huge problems... You say you're scared of muslim extremists, but shouldn't you be more scared of the thousands of gun-carrying gangs that are posted on thousands of street corners right now while I write this, selling drugs to your citizens?
    • calvmari, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@parasocks

      I applaud the British government for ridding the veils, but it's not for the sake of opposing Islam. I support it for 2 reasons. 1) School is a secular place. A burka or a veil is a token of the Muslim culture (at least in my eyes, correct me if I'm wrong). A small or unnoticeable token like a token on the neck or a special bracelet is fine, but this kind of thing is really noticeable. 2) It acts like a gang symbol. Near by communities where I live have difficulties with gangs. These gangs would identify themselves through a unified symbol like a blue bandana, a red shirt, or something else that's unmistakable. When one of those people starts a problem with another person, what you hear is: a kind from the black bandana gang hurt me. Lets get one of theirs to even the score. A veil could cause the same issue if it's unique to Muslim women/girls.

      A school is a socially tough place, more so for girls than guys because social relations are more important to females, so we have to be careful not to give kids ammunition.
    • alappat1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Why is it when people think of a just solution, they use their own viewpoint as a neutral ground?!! Many people here obviously don't like veils and headscarves for a variety of reasons. That's OK, you have a right to dislike or like something. But what gives you the right to use your viewpoint; in which men and women shud dress like you as a neutral point? in a balanced world, if you have a right to that then EQUALLY- the extremist Muslim's viewpoint in that every woman including non Muslims shud be wearing a burka is also valid. Obviously that's wrong!

      I think a moderate view in that every person shud have the personal freedom to wear/say/believe what they want, and as long as they don't try and impose it on others who cares?! Feeling that everyone shud conform to your opinion is an archaic viewpoint. With globalization and increased immigration; which BTW is partially responsible for the growth of economy and increased specialization which allows technological progress, such viewpoints are quite ignorant and will result in conflict. Extremist Muslims are proving this point with their so called jihad- to form a polar opposite in western culture will only increase the conflict when they take on the terrorists in politics/culture/ even war.

      This idea that a countries identity has to be static through the years is ridiculous- if that was the case- England shud still be a bunch of druidic tribes from ancient times, Canada shud be tribes of native Americans etc. Democracy shud have never happened etc. Countries/ cultures change- get over it!
      to quote a great man
      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklyn. From the words of a man whose generation fought at least an equal if not superior force (British empire) for freedom.

      Before you make a comment on my not knowing how it is living with Muslims- i lived in the middle east (Dubai ) for many years and in Canada for the rest. i have met many hundreds of Muslims and most are normal people who live normal lives- and don't want war; holy or otherwise- they have rsp's they have jobs, they laugh they cry just like the rest of us why can't we all just mind our own lives.

      That said I prefer Canada.. why? because here i can follow my beliefs (roman catholic turned agnostic) no matter what they are and still enjoy equal rights. If someone too scared of new cultures , wants to change that by insisting that Muslim women are not allowed to wear scarves to work etc i would be supremely disappointed because it basically ruins my view of Canada, and takes away from the ideal of a true democracy.

      Then again as with all irrational hate and fear - i doubt your feelings will change with a logical argument
    • Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Don't you guys get it? The muslims are not moving into American and European regions to try and fit in. It's part of a grander scheme where the world will one day be conquered by Islam and ruled under Sharia Law.

      Google it, it's pretty scary stuff...
    • BassJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ventrilqstman

      I don't think I could have put it better myself! Well done! I to live on the UK and I'm sick of the currents goverments softly-softly approach with subjects like this. We are a mainly christian nation and if you choose to live her you are expected to at least respect the local laws and traditions. If this means you can't wear and item of your religious clothing because it has been banned by local law, go elsewhere. After all if a women goes to a muslim state from the UK they are expected to respect the local traditions and not show excessive amounts of flesh.

      The goverment in the UK has spent far to long in the previous years trying to please the minority and ignoring the majority and it needs to chage.
  • voidvector, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23If the Muslim communities really want to upkeep their customs they would build their own schools.

    *edited for word usage*
    • raid517, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"If the Muslim communities really want to upkeep their customs they would build their own schools"

      And why shouldn't they?
    • Razster, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Let them build their own schools if they do not wish to follow our rules we set... Why have them their then if they continue to break them.

      You don't see this happening in Southern or Northern California... They would either be beaten or killed, which is sad but true.
    • Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -12/+37why shouldn't they?


      Because I woud never shop in a store that has vieled women working in it. if I ran a store I wouldn't want people wearing masks walking around. We don't live in the dark ages anymore and if I can't be trusted to see your face I don't want to do business with you, I don't want to hire you, I don't want you in my house or business, I don't want you near me or my kids.

      I have no problem with head scarves, but when it comes to covering your face there is a very real safety issue. Plenty of criminals have fled by wearing them, how many do you think have gotten away because of them? How long until people start committing crimes with them?
    • drmangrum, on 10/12/2007, -4/+41@linkedlist

      The headscarf isnt the problem, it's the full head covering with the face being covered that's the issue.

      Anyone remember a couple years back when a muslim family raised a big stink because the DMV wouldn't let the woman get her license if she wore the face covering for the picture. Same thing.

      Education, like driving, is a privilege not a right. If you want to move into a new country, you do so under THEIR rules not yours.
    • Gezora, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@linkedlist

      'Jury sees 21 July 'burka escape'' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6378863.stm

      unjustified paranoia?
    • DrCheese, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@linkedlist

      Funnily enough there was a story here a week or so ago about a wannabe terrorist who dressed himself in a full length burqa so he could avoid police and CCTV.
    • Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ linkedlist

      There are a number of cases of people fleeing the law using face carves and getting caught. Logic would tell you that there are even more who got away with it.

      I don't know if any schools in the UK have ID cards, but when it comes to drivers liscences, passports or anything else where a picture ID is required it IS a safety issue because it is easy to hide behind a mask.

    • drifter, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@liam76

      We dont live in the dark ages. I get your point but at the same time you are being very ignorant and going back to the dark ages by not liking something you do not do. If they want to wear a veil I dont see why that stops you from hiring them. Stop being ignorant and trying to sound as if you are so caring.
    • returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Last I recall, people of the UK and the US had a right to wear the clothing of their choice. What are you, a nazi? If you believe in freedom than you must believe in individualism.
    • returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"I have no problem with head scarves, but when it comes to covering your face there is a very real safety issue. Plenty of criminals have fled by wearing them, how many do you think have gotten away because of them? How long until people start committing crimes with them?"

      I feel the same way about non-transparent cars and houses. You know how many crimes are committed in non-transparent cars and houses each year? Don't even get me started about the night. If only we could keep the Earth from spinning. Hell, everyone should be forced to carry around a camera on their person all day long to prove that they are not a criminal.

      Just admit your a rascist, Muslim hating douchebag and be done with it. Don't try to come up with ridiculously stupid justifications for why people that veil themselves are not to be trusted. Frigging idiot. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to argue or attempt to unlighten the unwashed, Republican masses on here.

  • InfamousX241, on 10/12/2007, -29/+20Abolish religion.
  • rwarfield, on 10/12/2007, -18/+63Let the ugly ones wear the veil
    • wompninja, on 10/12/2007, -17/+7finally someone saying something worth reading
    • arcooke, on 10/12/2007, -15/+8That's like 99% of them.
  • ThisBlows, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39Now the Year Book won't be any fun at all.
  • artiomh86, on 10/12/2007, -28/+13Good idea, since you don't see any of the Christians going to Muslims countries and wearing crosses. Come to that they don't even have churches there unlike in England where there are plenty of Mosks! After all, England is a Christian country.
    • MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -15/+361. They have churches in muslim countries.
      2. Christians do wear crosses in muslim countries.
      3. It's spelled mosques.
    • 98acura, on 10/12/2007, -9/+8A cross in a Muslim country is a mark of death.. Thats why no one wears them in Muslim countries.
    • GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Also the majority in Britain hold no faith at all. Less than 42% of the population actively believe in a god.
    • artiomh86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Not for long by the looks

      http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/10/16/210223.shtml
    • raybury, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They have churches in some Muslim countries -- mostly ones that used to be Christian countries. Oh, and any major upkeep projects to existing churches, much less building new ones, is usually verboten. Result: They have churches in some Muslim countries... for now.
    • Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@ linkedlist

      Yeah they get along great.

      The christians in Sudan are having a blast right now getting raped by the Janjaweed. The monthly church bombings and christian schoolgirl rapes in Indonesia are just kids having fun. In Egypt when a christian has his house burned down by muslims the police join in the fun and make them say they did it themselves. Yeah christians have it great in majority muslim countries.

      Christian societies are almost universally more accepting of muslim minorities.
    • ZergyPoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"The christians in Sudan are having a blast right now getting raped by the Janjaweed."

      Kosovar Muslims were getting mutilated and raped by Serbian christians just a few years ago, until the US intervened.

      Chechnian Muslims are being killed and tortured by Russian Orthodox Christians.

      Millions of Palestinian refugees live in squalid conditions under Israeli occupation.

      What's your point?
    • Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Chrisitans, Jews, and even Zorastrians are known as "people of the book" to Muslims and so are not marked for death, but they have about as many "freedoms" in a Muslim country similar to the American blacks after the Civil War (i.e. "on paper" but not in really in practice). However, people of any religion not mentioned in the Koran need to be careful in Muslim countries. Ask any Ba'hai or Buddhist that.
    • toiletduck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ ZergyPoo,

      While most of your points are valid, it still seems to me that the Palestinians have only themselves to blame for their current situation.
  • welk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28They should ban hoodies too
    • 98acura, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16At least ban people from actually using the hood and looking like a douche bag...
    • scispaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Thank you. I've been waiting for that.

      Silly UK with its banning of hooded sweatshirts in certain places under ASBO (anti-social behavior orders or some such rubbish). You could be wearing a MIT hoodie and you'd get treated like a criminal.
    • ray901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7they do, in many places including shopping centers etc....
    • returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2And people that wear baggy clothes too. Also, I would like to see sports jerseys banned. You know, why don't we all just wear uniforms with British flags and cameras on them? Yea, that would be good.

      Pffttt... You people don't understand the loss of freedom you are subjecting yourself to by banning benign head scarves. Nothing more than xenophobia run amok.
  • Syntaxis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11There are Muslim countries where those things are banned in public, why western politicians make such a big deal out of it is beyond me.
  • mightycbu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21why do people make this such a big problem about this in western countries?
    in Turkey(a muslim country) it has been forbidden for a long time.
    • rwarfield, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Because the wacko's leave the "moderate" muslim communites and try to remake other countries to their image of what the world should be.
    • Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Because the wacko's leave the "moderate" muslim communites and try to remake other countries to their image of what the world should be."

      Sad but true. Unfortunately it seems to be happening in France and Scandinavian countries at the moment.
  • jlebrech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I can think of a lyric change for a Pink Floyd song now that I've read the articles title "Hey Muslim, Leave you Veil at home"
  • alpha94, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18When in Rome....
    • southwestnut, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18moon the Pope?

      Ok that was bad, bury me
  • biuku, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1@ventrilgstram

    Thanks for the hate, superstar!

    That said, while I have no problem with a Muslim being Prime Minister of my country, certain codes of dress etc. are reasonable. I see full-face veils (eyes visible only) in Toronto daily -- it doesn't scare me, and I've heard a wonderful (first-hand) story about a group of women thus dressed picking through lingerie, but I do think that a full face veil should be dropped within a reasonable time after immigrating.
    • raid517, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2In my town, we have a huge problem with women dressed in these veils running around robbing banks, mugging old people, stealing cars etc and causing real havoc and it is almost impossible for the police to catch them because they are so hard to identify.

      They really are a bunch of very serious trouble makers - a real social menace.

      Not...

      Paint it whatever way you want. You say it's about security, but it is just pure out and out racism.

      I don't like religion (any religion) very much myself - but I am all for it if people want to practice their customs without causing anyone else any problems - which (as in the above example) most of these women almost without exception don't.
    • raid517, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Did anyone even bother reading my full comment?

      It was an ironic joke.

      I mean seriously, when did you last see a gang of veiled Muslim women marauding down the street Monty Python style, causing trouble and mayhem wherever they went?

      Oh screw it, you can ***** off the lot of you.
  • daveyt, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Hot muslim schoolgirls, full facials! My kinda story. I'm going to (muslim) hell probably.
  • Threlly, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Great Britain has a democratic society.
    Church and State are separate.
    Its laws are based on Christian tenets, so is essentially a Christian country
    even though its not a Theocracy.
    The wearing of veils is not mandatory for followers of Islam.
    The Veils should not be worn in educational establishments, nor should any
    religious garb.
    However, freedom of speech is guaranteed regardless of faith, colour or ethnicity.
    This can not be said of many countries around the world.

    The British did not fight a religious civil war 500 years ago, so that politically correct
    religious extremists could hijack its culture.
    • geiger253, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Church and state are most definitely not separate in the UK. The Anglican church is headed by the head of state, the Queen, who appoints archbishops to sit in the House of Lords.

      And we have no automatic right to "freedom of speech" either. You must be thinking of somewhere else.
    • fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're thinking of America. Except those Christian tenets you refer to are actually Greco-Roman, hence, technically, we're a "Classical" state, not Judeo-Christian. That also means that the US should be polytheistic, were it to have an official state religion.

      UK doesn't guarantee free speech, the US does, BUT NOT TO STUDENTS (unless SCOTUS changes the law in the Bong Hits for Jesus case they just heard; currently students don't have free speech rights).

      However, while veils are apparently not required by the Koran, they are required by post Koranic (is that a word?) tenets of either Sunnism or Shiitism (not correct names, but whatever). Sort of Baptism, or most of Catholicism, in which most of the rituals were developed post-Bible. That means they're still religious in nature, since religious beliefs don't depend on only the stuff from the founding of the religion.

      But veils should be banned for other reasons, none of which are related to the educational process.

  • msfayzer, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1This is something that should be decided with the parents, not in the government. I know I would be pretty peeved if I wasn't allowed to wear my cross to school. If there is truly a safety concern, then it should be discussed with the parents and then some compromise could be reached. For some students, this will be in direct violation of their personal beliefs but if they are included in the discussion, perhaps things could be arranged in a less offensive manner.
  • spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Is this really a religious issue?

    By law only students and faculty are allowed on school property. Covering your face obscures your identity and makes it difficult to determine whether you belong there. Ergo, your face must be visible while you are in school.

    If your religion requires you to cover your face then it is ill advised to live somewhere where this practise makes life difficult for you.
    • Parasocks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So now that they're installing cameras on busy street corners, and have companies working on software to recognize each individual face in the crowds of people, when will that become having to clearly display your face in public?
    • spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Valid but unrelated. Schools are publicly funded, government-owned institutions. I'm a huge proponent of anonymity but I think it's a good idea for people to be identifiable in government buildings.
  • groovechamp30, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The title says England, the UK is not the same as England. There's 10 million Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people in the UK too.
  • bigdoug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good opertunity for a new homeschool site. Some SEO will cash in.
  • h0stile17, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So does this mean that Muslim Males can still wear their veils?
  • DrScott, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3This is a legitimate security concern. JUST WHAT ARE THEY HIDING!?
    • grve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0face to prevent adultery, cheating, harassment
      most women are weak willed and easily fall prey to adulterous lechers.
  • kolobcreek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@crass22

    That is an example of Christian Extremism. And we got rid of it. Put a little thought into the stuff that you write. Stop trying to excuse bad behavior with bad behavior.


    I want my kids to wear executioner's hoods to school.
  • bstolzberg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1i think they should be allowed to wear headscarves. its their religion! i defend their right to wear them just as much as i defend a catholics ability to wear a cross around their neck. if its an issue about ID cards then they can simply carry a picture id card with them or have it be visible.

    wheres the respect!?
  • TheIguana, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4People who wear masks remind me of a) halloween hooligans or b) robbers.
    • GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4That's a problem with your state of mind rather than the act itself.
  • 1337diggster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Sounds like a fair thing to do. I mean the full face veils seem kind of unacceptable in a public place. I rarely seen woman wearing full face veils in public places. I do, however, often seen woman wearing head scarfs.
  • seanrbaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'm not sure I feel that this particular policy is correct, but regardless it's incredibly refreshing to see England willing to do anything that even might be controversial, rather than making every decision out of fear of backlash.
    • ssamyrabka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The fear of backlash, might actually be followed by the Blowing Up of Public places. Ignorant Religious ideology breeds violence.
  • cortlandjim, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3This is really no different than what has been happening since beginning of history, people fear that which is different, and lash out or try to change it.

    I agree that forcing women to be second class citizens or worse, by making them wear clothing that hides some part of their body because of shame or religious reasons is ridiculous in this day and age. Step out of the middle ages you dumb asses.

    Religion = Poison
  • esperoboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3it's basically you are told to ***** a man today even though you are full-fredged hetero boy. Nobody wants be "told" to what to do. And for sake of budda those girls has been that way since they were born... why force to change it without their will.
    • spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Dugg for making me laugh out loud!
  • scoreloot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7For them to argue with this law is actually very anti muslim for the Muslims. In the Koran Mohammad is says that while in a nation that is not Islamic, you must follow their laws as if they are your own. A law passed to ban face covering in schools, is a law, and Muslims who truly follow, and understand, the Koran will follow this rule. No one has said remove head scarves. At my children's school in North London, there were many Muslims who would wear the head scarves, and no one had issue. If you feel that strongly, and wish to go against the law, then go to a Muslim school. Yusif Islam (Cat Stevens) teaches music at one in London. There are plenty of schools. If you feel that strongly make a personal choice to change educational facilities to a private institution.
  • ssamyrabka, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Let the little girls decide what they want to wear and stop forcing FGC, "honor killings" and other ancient male dominate abusive ignorant "culture" BS in the guise of religion.
  • number9mc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Let the BOMBINGS commence!
  • CrownSeven, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3The UK really has become the next police state - and unfortunately the people have been brainwashed to the point that they'll except any sort of 'rule' as long as its for security.

    Are you telling me that a terrorist will go hide out in a school by pretending to be a muslim woman wearing a veil? Well that will no longer be an issue once the UK begins tracking their residents by implanting them with chips and upgrading their video surveillance systems with retinal scanners.

    Common.......what a joke.
  • VeryBoredNow, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3As a muslim I gotta say that the Muslim bashing on this site has hit a new low.

    It is amusingly funny to see how little the people that bash muslims actually know about what they're saying. They watch 5 clips on the FOX channel, see some clips on YouTube and that is all they need to judge an entire race.

    Like those muslim girls are supposed to represent all muslim woman. Please.

    You rednecks would be awe-struck at the beauty and the culture of some muslim countries.
    • manicbomber, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7muslim =/= race

      and we are the rednecks...?
    • raid517, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"You rednecks would be awe-struck at the beauty and the culture of some Muslim countries."

      No they wouldn't, most of them are too ignorant and dumb and are unlikely to have ever traveled outside of their home state anyway.
    • Afreyt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Islam can eat itself, along with all other forms of invisible man in the sky worship. If your religion is so wonderful a thing, it can handle the bashing.
    • eleseus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Give me a break! Besides Indonesia, the totality of the "muslim world" is a cancerous eyesore. Which leads us to the basic question at the root of all of this rubbish: WHY ARE YOU MUSLIMS COMING TO THE WEST TO LIVE? I cannot think of a worst example of "model islamic culture" than when I summon the idea of "the west" in my mind. Muslim idiots come to the west knowing full well that they are a small minority about to enter into a society that has absolutely no sympathy for well over half of your "holy" book. Muhammad(pee-pee be upon him) was a bitter, murderous bandit by the time he lived in Medina, after he was expelled from Mecca. The truth is that much of proper, doctrinal Islam is totally incompatible with our western sphere, and you damn well know it. So, either loose the rigid, "follow every Koranic, barbaric rule" (There is a prominent hadith in which Muhammad the pedophile recommends drinking camel urine--are you going to do that?) or don't come here in the first place!!! Go back to Islamo-world and improve the lot and minds of "your" people--and they surely are not a "race" as you suggest--Is a Chechen Sufi the same "race" as an Indian Deobandi? An Indonesian Sunni in the same "race" as an Iranian Shi'ite? NO, dummy!
    • Theodorant, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I have to agree, the muslim bashing on digg is pretty extreme. Everyone here acts as if all muslims are extrememists, which is definitely not the case. The only muslims who attract attention are the ones rioting,protesting, etc. No one gives a crap about those who follow Islam peacefully.
    • M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Agreed. I'm an atheist but come on Digg. You're better than this.
  • FikusErectus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I'm all for this. I see no reason to have religious symbols of any kind in a public school. School children should be wearing school uniforms, not a cross or veil.
  • Dipster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think we should all wear ski masks for the hell of it. You know.. go to the store, the bank, to school. Wear it enough so that people either get used to it, or ban it and anything else like it.
  • MonsterMagnet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11GO into any Veterans Legion and your supposed to not wear your Hat out of respect and Honor of those that had fallen in the World Wars.

    Yet in Canada those bastards kicked up'ed a big stink and The Canadian Legion had to rewrite the rules so those dam towel heads can roam free within any Legion in Canada disrespecting our culture and rules !!!!!!!!!
    • eleseus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I didn't know that, MM. That makes me sad and angry. Death to Islam.
  • Ossuary, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Sounds fair. It reminds me of the issue in Florida last year about the lady who wished to have her driver's license photo taken while she wore all of her head garb. Uhhhh, yeah. That make sense. We take a photo ID so we can know what you look like, not what your head garb looks like. If you cannot ID yourself in the photo, you should not get the license. It is a privilege, not a right to drive.
  • geekee, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1This would be unconstitutional in the US. Thankfully, the first amendment protects your freedom to practice your religion.
    • ssamyrabka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5No one is arguing against practicing their religion. Kids should be able to go to school and have a "religious free" educational experience.
    • Afreyt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No, the wearing of masks in public is illegal in many parts of the U.S., but is selectively enforced, usually at political protests. You must be publicly identifiable in certain situations, not restricted to going to bank tellers, court appearances, for your driver's license, etc.

      This has not been found unconstitutional, and it is arguable that hiding one's face _in public_ is a protected form of speech, or essential religious practice.

  • wowwbagger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Lets not forget the face veil is a cultural thing and not enforced in any religion at all anyhoo! All the more reason to ban it I say. Just like you can't wear the robes of a monks or a Rasta hat to school right?
  • fxzoo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Face it, we live in a hyprocritical society w/ hypocritical standards. We say Freedom of Speech & Freedom of Religion, but in practise it's only Free as long as you limit the practice of Speech and Religion to the whims of the Politicians and Government laws. So, really it's not really "Free". The banning of the Niqab is an example of this. The reality is that the Western governments are afraid of Islam and the Muslims, because it's being practised and it is growing. This fear will lead to conflicts and marginalization which will soon reach a boiling point and therefore more further unrest.

    Time to stop being afraid. Muslims and Islam aren't here to cause us harm. The West should learn more and engage the Muslims and Islam. The Muslims should also engage the West and start a dialogue for understanding. From the Muslim perspective, the West offers a Culture and a Civilization, and the better they can distinguish the two, the more they can benefit from them. From the Western Perspective, Islam offers a relatively unique perspective on Life and how to Live, it can only benefit and so it needs to learn more about it and engage the Muslims.

    Peace!
    • MonsterMagnet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Move to our Country you live !!!!!!!! WHEN IN ROME !!! Ring a Bell !!!! IF your so hyped on your own BS go move live in a tent throw a towel on your head and ride a camel to work ............We will call you Curry Man or Towel head how about that MR. Free Speech !!!!!!!!
  • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7My religion requires me to carry a gun at all times, and to shoot anyone who tries to stop me. Yes, you can join my religion, too.
    • ssamyrabka, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4My religion allows me to walk around naked smoking some weed... peace out.
    • wowwbagger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Really. Will you provide the gun and ammo for free? Or are you another one of those 'gimmee your money' preachers?
    • smackhero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4religious freedoms as a special set of freedoms is completley absurd. why can't atheists take certain days of the week off of work/school just because they want to? personal freedom is personal freedom. there shouldn't be a special set of freedoms granted just to people who subscribe to theological beliefs.

      while i don't think that veils inhibit any kind of learning or pose a threat to student safety, i think that it probably has a detrimental effect on the social/emotional development of muslim girls. however, imagine how many people would be up in arms about this if this were a ban on wearing a cross to school.

      so all the christians exclaiming about islam being a violent religion, muslims enjoying too much power and freedom, etc. are total hypocrites. christianity has historically been the most privileged religious group in western society. most seem to be in favor of this out of intolerance and personal spite for the growing muslim presence and their cultural differences with western society rather than for any objective reasons. if they were to hold christianity to the same standards, they'd see that it's christian organizations that whine far more (censoring documentaries that present unfavorable views of history) and encroach on the rights of other citizens (ban on homosexual marriage, general homophobic culture).

      a large number of muslims may have overreacted to cartoon depictions of their god, but at least they're not trying to inject their religion in government like so many christians in the U.S. are doing (and then whine about when rational people oppose this). posts like ventrilqstman's demonstrate incredible ignorance about other cultures while displaying total hypocrisy and double standards. i have a strong dislike of religious institutions, but i don't make blanket statements targeting muslims for condemnation when these false generalizations have nothing to do with the news story. that is simply ethnocentric bigotry.
  • Dillenger69, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Lets extent the school uniform thing a bit further.
    Sure, banning face obscuring religious clothing would reestablish the look of uniformity amongst girls.
    Why don't we then eliminate the differences in uniforms between boys and girls?
    The differences have to be distracting to some.
    Make boys and girls both wear something sexually ambiguous that's half way in between.
    But we've still got differences in hair, skin and eye color.
    Not to mention height!
    We can't stop until every child looks exactly the same.
    That's silly, isn't it?

    Countries who have a firm basis in tolerance of differences have no reason to try and stamp out the differences they see.
    Banning veils won't do anything but drive the extremists underground and eliminate any chance these girls have of being exposed to new and competing ideas.
  • RichMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I remember in the Target training videos I had to watch they showed a female muslim Target employee, she had a red veil and khaki pants on during work. Oh man, that's just great. XD
  • MonsterMagnet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Hello people the The Crusades 1095-1291, the last attempt was like in the 16th Century . Stop craping on Christianity it has been over 700 yrs ago not counting the last renaissance in 1600 century even that was 407 yrs ago !! This was all in defense of Europe and we have come along way since than

    screw this Muslim bS
  • Karted, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This needs to be banned everywhere its ***** stupid and unnecessary.
  • nocash1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1so wasn't one of the reasons troops went over there because "the women are oppressed" because "they have to cover their face"? hmmmm....well if its their choice and they are denied that isn't that also oppression?
    • eleseus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It can't be "their choice" when, in over 80% of the Islamic world, there simply is no fair, alternative "choice". A woman would be arrested and beaten if she left the house--her cage-- without hijab. It is a culture of loud, though unstated threats ond conformity to the rule of men--usually the most corrupt or "pious" of their lot. Death to Islam.
  • howdareyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It would be a great way to skip school. Just pay some other kid to wear your veil for the day. Have a huge exam coming up? Hire some genius to wear your veil and write your test.
  • kraniac, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I'm a Christian and an American citizen, so my opinion isn't worth much, but this smacks of Fascism. If my religion told me I had to wear certain clothes, I wouldn't want to be forbidden to do that.

    The UK's government scares me sometimes.
  • blueire, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3How pathetic. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

    "This needs to be banned everywhere its ***** stupid and unnecessary."
    How is it that you assume to understand another persons religion and way of life? That goes for all of you babbling on the same nonsense you've heard from the idiots that run our countries. I promise not one of you has ever read the Qur'an, or visited a Mosque.

    You make statements like "Muslims do this and Muslims do that" but Christian leaders from around the world are terrorizing Iraq, kidnapping their own citizens, and violating thier own laws, yet out of your blindness and phobic behavior you latch on to things you do not understand and sow your hate. You should be ashamed.
    • Afreyt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Sorry, not ashamed. Society does not have to bend just because you want it to accommodate your way of life. You want to wear a veil in your church, or your house, feel free. You want to wear it to a public school? Problem.

      And I don't need to read the Qur'an or visit a Mosque to know its made-up *****. No faith-based skygod religion will EVER get my respect or admiration. Especially when it tries to get special treatment.
    • immolation, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You're right. I should wait until after they kill my family with a car bomb...
    • logicnazi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Don't confuse two separate issues.

      I, like you, am disgusted by much of what appears to be anti-Muslim bigotry expressed in these comments and is likely behind much of the support for such a rule.

      However, the idea that we need to have a deep understanding of another person's culture or religion before we can tell them not to wear something in school is very problematic. Schools rightly ban gang clothing and other disruptive garb. In England (at least in some public schools) I believe they go much further in requiring certain forms of appropriate dress. The fact that the people banning gang clothing have as little understanding of gang culture or what it means to grow up in that environment doesn't mean they shouldn't enforce a rule against such clothing. Now I don't think that veils are the equivalent of gang colors but the point still stands. One has to make decisions about educational and social policy and one can't let the fact that one isn't a member of the culture in question stand in the way of those decisions. In fact there is a good argument that people are uniquely unsuited to evaluating the effects of their own cultural artifacts (there are a bunch of outdated/chauvinistic customs we don't get rid of because they are our customs).

      In particular it SHOULDN'T MATTER that this is associated with a religion (though it is cultural). The school needs to treat it like any other form of garb and regulate it as they would these other garbs. If the school wants to ban jewelry crosses should go as well. If the school wants to ban hats indoors yamichas should be banished as well. If students wearing veils cause educational/social disruption they ought not to be given any special dispensation because of their religious connection. Of course to avoid the appearance of hypocrisy they should start by eliminating any special exceptions for things like yamichas and the like first.

      Of course one should ask if these rules are really needed. I tend to conclude that we ought to just allow all hats in schools and all jewelery. Veils are a bit more concerning because of the possible connection to type casting women into certain kinds of roles and their obstruction of the face but maybe they too should be allowed. What I am sure about though is that they should treat all types of clothing the same regardless of the religious/social status of the garb.
    • MonsterMagnet, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5I promise not one of you has ever read the Qur'an, or visited a Mosque

      NO , i haven't why !! Cause this is NORTH AMERICA ***** YEAH !!!!!!! THATS WHY ASS LICK !!!!!!!

      This is no a MUSLIM SOCIETY and using our own rules against us to further rape and yes i said rape our values so MUSLIUS and other religions can flock to hear and live and take our jobs and land just to ***** complain !! Thats rich thats real ***** rich !!!!!!

      I'm not raciest or preduice , i'm just TELLING IT LIKE IT IS !!!!!!!!! Would we get get a chance to complin over in their society !!!!!!! NO !! WOULD THEY ask us nicely not to preach or wear certain items of clothing required for our religions HELL NO !!!

      They would cut our ***** heads, legs, hands pick a DAM APPANDAGE OFF !!! Thats what they do over their !!!!! So screw you and your harping about Free Speech. I wasn't supposed to be a Tool to throw back in our faces it was structured or in a time for other races to use it as a tool to complain !!!!!! And get their way !!!!!
    • Afreyt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6What is the penalty for apostasy in many Moslem countries?

      Are Bibles even allowed in Saudi Arabia?

      Why the hell should we considerately read an Islamic text, to try to understand your culture, when Islamic states won't allow their own people to give others the same courtesy?

      I know, how about Islam tries to understand and respect secular, Western ideals. Then we can talk.
    • Theodorant, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@ monstermagnet
      That has got to be one of the most ignorant posts I have read on digg . . . Ever been to Indonesia? My Christian Mother and Muslim Father met there. Their respective families aren't at odds over their differing faiths.
    • MonsterMagnet, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Ok than whats the race of your parents"theodorant" I rest my case. And i suspect your mother has to follow your fathers every move as says his race and religion !! SO OWNED !!!!!!!!! YOu can't stand the truth don't eat in my Country ....therin stand the heat get out of the kitchen

      Ever been too Indonesia?

      No cause i LOVE NORTH AMERICA and i like SOAP and FRESH CLEAN WATER !!!!!!! And not smell like a Persian rug thats been draped across a camel for 6 months !!!! Like you kind !!!!!!!! I wouldn't feed you kind a pack mules droppings !!!!!!
    • Theodorant, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1hope your being sarcastic . . .
  • kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@verboten.. When are Muslims going to stop vilifying people who are legitimately concerned about the behavior of a growing segment of their religion?
    We are not all rednecks and we do not all watch fox news.
    I watch PBS and I watch and read many different books on the subject of Islam and ,Jihad and the persecution of people in Muslim countries.
    I do not doubt that the beauty exists in some Muslim countries, but to minimize the problems that present themselves in this country and other western nations by the influx of Muslims is being in denial, or stupid..
    The problem that I have is with Sharia law and it trying to get a foothold in the this country.
    Sharia law is not compatible in this country and you as a Muslim should speak up at every opportunity to see that this does not happen here.
    I believe Muslims/ Sharia law is one of the most pressing problems we are going to face in this country in the next 10 to 15 years. along with illegal immigration witch is costing this country it's identity on many levels.
    Groups like C.A.I.R are a big problem, and finally people are waking up to this fact.
    Saudi funded mosques that are being built in this country, that teach wahabism are a scourge and I hope are government will do something about it soon, though I doubt they will. petro dollars speak volumes to our elected officials.
    The U.k is finally waking up, and so are many countries who find themselves dealing with radicalized factions.
    We just have to get on the ball quicker in this country before we face problems that are on the way.
    and they are.
  • stikkitjim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Living in Britain, I am proud to live in a country where we have a more liberal approach toward other people's customs and mix them into our own. One only has to visit the Hindu Mandir in South London to see the beautiful architecture, to chat with the people and to learn about their beliefs - and to be left with a feeling that you know a little bit more about the people around you.
    Now... I use the Mandir example because it still today remains accepted and graffiti free etc - and they make an effort to educate people and show why it is so important to them.
    What I have found with some of the Muslim community in Britain (I'm not tarring the entire Muslim community,some of my closet friends are Muslim) is they would rather attack and demand - rather than asking and educating. I, along with many other Brits, don't understand why the veil is so important - and though the evolution of our society, a covered face with black material = danger. Now all it would take would be a ten minute slot on channel 4 with someone explaining the history and importance of the veils to educate us. When people learn about something, they understand it and understanding takes away the fear. However... when we ask for the veils not to be worn (because of a lack of understanding), we are bullied into backing down - and that's not the way things should be done.
    I hate the fact now that some places serve Halal meat as standard, and because I strongly disagree with that method, I won't eat meat and also feel like I'm not at home in my own country. (Before someone highlights it - I previously would t eat meat from the likes of KFC etc so it's not just targeted at Halal)
    Realistically it all comes down to compromise. When I eventually have children, I'd be happy in the knowledge if they come home from school knowing a little bit more than another culture because of a friends attire, rather than growing up and being fed ***** by the media into thinking they are all muggers under there.
    If I offended anyone - I didn't mean to.... man that was a big comment.
    • kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9We in this country have a people who are kind and generous to other cultures to a fault.
      We for the most part respect others religions, and cultures and we also try to live and let live, but there comes a point when certain cultures and ideas will come in conflict and there will be problems.
      Most times they can be settled ,but when cultures come in and do not assimilate and then expect preferential treatment we have a problem.
      Some of these cultures use there grievances by portraying themselves as victims and being oppressed and disenfranchised.
      These ideas are then espoused through the political process and victim advocates groups who are nothing more than opportunist's,s and charlatans.
      This is a great country, we do not need 3rd world ideology and religious culture to take precedent over the rights of any group
      I respectfully say The U.K has lost allot of the culture to groups they have allowed to come in and bully and whine , and you're country now is paying the price.
      I for one do not want that to happen here.
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