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- SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -26/+164@ventrilgstman
You're absolutely right, but the political-correctness police on Digg will be digging you down.
If a Quran is burned or Mohammed drawn in a cartoon, Muslims literally kill people for it. Yet they burn effigies of our leaders and they desecrate our holy books.
If you want to live in a European or North American nation, you have to at least agree with the basic fundamentals of that society. - sk83k, on 10/12/2007, -31/+168I agree with ventrilqstman.I live in the UK and sometimes it feels that minorites get preferential treatment, not EQUAL treatment.
- ventrilqstman, on 10/12/2007, -100/+209Great! maybe the US, the UK, and others will actually stop letting muslims run our countries, by whining, riots, and threats.
And who knows.... in a future time many muslims could learn that it does not really win people over to say your a "Religion Of Peace", and then go start a riot, to tell the world about it, and then cut someones throat because they are a normal human being.
Then again since muslims have been a religion of the sword ever since their founding, that's not likely that they'll change now. - catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -12/+74Maybe you guys are in the wrong thread or something because nobody mentioned christianity, much less christianity as it was hundreds of years ago. This is about present-day islam in England. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove or justify by saying christianity is bad, especially since most diggers here are atheists.
- benitojuarez, on 10/12/2007, -18/+67religion has no place in school anyway.
- rwarfield, on 10/12/2007, -18/+62Let the ugly ones wear the veil
- Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -55/+98Christianity has only been peaceful, clean-looking, friendly religion for only the last hundred years or so. Remember the Crusades? The Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, Why did the pilgrims leave england if christianity was so happy, new world "missionary" colonies that were basically slave plantations for the native americans.
To argue that one religion is better than another, or one is more harmful than another is a fool's excerise. Theyre all equally bad. - KDX200rider, on 10/12/2007, -3/+43@crass22
You said it yourself, "100 years ago". Christianity has come a long way since the crusades. I think it is time that Islam do the same. - drmangrum, on 10/12/2007, -4/+41@linkedlist
The headscarf isnt the problem, it's the full head covering with the face being covered that's the issue.
Anyone remember a couple years back when a muslim family raised a big stink because the DMV wouldn't let the woman get her license if she wore the face covering for the picture. Same thing.
Education, like driving, is a privilege not a right. If you want to move into a new country, you do so under THEIR rules not yours. - ThisBlows, on 10/12/2007, -6/+38Now the Year Book won't be any fun at all.
- roosterjm2k2, on 10/12/2007, -24/+51Crass, I love people like you. You don't know what you're talking about, but you go off like you do.
The crusades? The Crusades was a defense. Muslims had spread, through conquering everything in their path, through all of northern Africa and into Europe. The crusades were less about religion and more about defending europe.
The Salem Witch Trials were puritans. Puritans were just crazy people. ...
You're correct that all religions have almost always been violent at some point, but if you make a statement, and try to back it with examples, pick relevant examples. - CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27It's in the Koran that when in non Muslim countries women should not wear veils:
http://digg.com/politics/Verse_of_the_Holy_Koran_advises_against_the_wearing_of_burkas - Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -12/+37why shouldn't they?
Because I woud never shop in a store that has vieled women working in it. if I ran a store I wouldn't want people wearing masks walking around. We don't live in the dark ages anymore and if I can't be trusted to see your face I don't want to do business with you, I don't want to hire you, I don't want you in my house or business, I don't want you near me or my kids.
I have no problem with head scarves, but when it comes to covering your face there is a very real safety issue. Plenty of criminals have fled by wearing them, how many do you think have gotten away because of them? How long until people start committing crimes with them? - welk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28They should ban hoodies too
- MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -15/+361. They have churches in muslim countries.
2. Christians do wear crosses in muslim countries.
3. It's spelled mosques. - lookitsbeige, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30You guys are idiots. Not every single religious (Muslim, Christian, whatever) person is an extremist. Stop generalizing an entire group of people based on what you hear and see on T.V. There are some nice people in the world. Digg me down haters.
- mightycbu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21why do people make this such a big problem about this in western countries?
in Turkey(a muslim country) it has been forbidden for a long time. - nodong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20The pilgrims left England because they were freaky extremist Christians, hence the Salem witch trials, not because Christianity was intolerant of them.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Is this really a religious issue?
By law only students and faculty are allowed on school property. Covering your face obscures your identity and makes it difficult to determine whether you belong there. Ergo, your face must be visible while you are in school.
If your religion requires you to cover your face then it is ill advised to live somewhere where this practise makes life difficult for you. - alpha94, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18When in Rome....
- voidvector, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23If the Muslim communities really want to upkeep their customs they would build their own schools.
*edited for word usage* - southwestnut, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18moon the Pope?
Ok that was bad, bury me - 98acura, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16At least ban people from actually using the hood and looking like a douche bag...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Great Britain has a democratic society.
Church and State are separate.
Its laws are based on Christian tenets, so is essentially a Christian country
even though its not a Theocracy.
The wearing of veils is not mandatory for followers of Islam.
The Veils should not be worn in educational establishments, nor should any
religious garb.
However, freedom of speech is guaranteed regardless of faith, colour or ethnicity.
This can not be said of many countries around the world.
The British did not fight a religious civil war 500 years ago, so that politically correct
religious extremists could hijack its culture. - geiger253, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Church and state are most definitely not separate in the UK. The Anglican church is headed by the head of state, the Queen, who appoints archbishops to sit in the House of Lords.
And we have no automatic right to "freedom of speech" either. You must be thinking of somewhere else. - kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@verboten.. When are Muslims going to stop vilifying people who are legitimately concerned about the behavior of a growing segment of their religion?
We are not all rednecks and we do not all watch fox news.
I watch PBS and I watch and read many different books on the subject of Islam and ,Jihad and the persecution of people in Muslim countries.
I do not doubt that the beauty exists in some Muslim countries, but to minimize the problems that present themselves in this country and other western nations by the influx of Muslims is being in denial, or stupid..
The problem that I have is with Sharia law and it trying to get a foothold in the this country.
Sharia law is not compatible in this country and you as a Muslim should speak up at every opportunity to see that this does not happen here.
I believe Muslims/ Sharia law is one of the most pressing problems we are going to face in this country in the next 10 to 15 years. along with illegal immigration witch is costing this country it's identity on many levels.
Groups like C.A.I.R are a big problem, and finally people are waking up to this fact.
Saudi funded mosques that are being built in this country, that teach wahabism are a scourge and I hope are government will do something about it soon, though I doubt they will. petro dollars speak volumes to our elected officials.
The U.k is finally waking up, and so are many countries who find themselves dealing with radicalized factions.
We just have to get on the ball quicker in this country before we face problems that are on the way.
and they are. - jlebrech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I can think of a lyric change for a Pink Floyd song now that I've read the articles title "Hey Muslim, Leave you Veil at home"
- dylanrush, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14If any muslim in the UK had a problem with this, I would suggest they go back to the country they came from.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11GO into any Veterans Legion and your supposed to not wear your Hat out of respect and Honor of those that had fallen in the World Wars.
Yet in Canada those bastards kicked up'ed a big stink and The Canadian Legion had to rewrite the rules so those dam towel heads can roam free within any Legion in Canada disrespecting our culture and rules !!!!!!!!! - cashbagg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I have nothing against veils, or Islam, but I know that Western dress is not permitted in some Muslim countries, and no one complains. Yet if a Western country wants to impose the same rules, it causes an uproar. A bit of a double standard wouldn't you say?
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Also the majority in Britain hold no faith at all. Less than 42% of the population actively believe in a god.
- kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9We in this country have a people who are kind and generous to other cultures to a fault.
We for the most part respect others religions, and cultures and we also try to live and let live, but there comes a point when certain cultures and ideas will come in conflict and there will be problems.
Most times they can be settled ,but when cultures come in and do not assimilate and then expect preferential treatment we have a problem.
Some of these cultures use there grievances by portraying themselves as victims and being oppressed and disenfranchised.
These ideas are then espoused through the political process and victim advocates groups who are nothing more than opportunist's,s and charlatans.
This is a great country, we do not need 3rd world ideology and religious culture to take precedent over the rights of any group
I respectfully say The U.K has lost allot of the culture to groups they have allowed to come in and bully and whine , and you're country now is paying the price.
I for one do not want that to happen here. - mrwiggles123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It should be blocked, the fact that it has to do with religion is irrelevant
If you cant wear hats you shouldn't be allowed to wear vails - orlyfactor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@crass22:
The pilgrims fled The Church of England and the persecution they were receiving from them. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"If the Muslim communities really want to upkeep their customs they would build their own schools"
And why shouldn't they? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12What does christianity have to do with muslim veils in schools, you defensive morons?
- lazyeyesam, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@crass
Are you familiar with the tensions between Protestants and Catholics in Ireland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_march - Ossuary, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Sounds fair. It reminds me of the issue in Florida last year about the lady who wished to have her driver's license photo taken while she wore all of her head garb. Uhhhh, yeah. That make sense. We take a photo ID so we can know what you look like, not what your head garb looks like. If you cannot ID yourself in the photo, you should not get the license. It is a privilege, not a right to drive.
- stikkitjim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Living in Britain, I am proud to live in a country where we have a more liberal approach toward other people's customs and mix them into our own. One only has to visit the Hindu Mandir in South London to see the beautiful architecture, to chat with the people and to learn about their beliefs - and to be left with a feeling that you know a little bit more about the people around you.
Now... I use the Mandir example because it still today remains accepted and graffiti free etc - and they make an effort to educate people and show why it is so important to them.
What I have found with some of the Muslim community in Britain (I'm not tarring the entire Muslim community,some of my closet friends are Muslim) is they would rather attack and demand - rather than asking and educating. I, along with many other Brits, don't understand why the veil is so important - and though the evolution of our society, a covered face with black material = danger. Now all it would take would be a ten minute slot on channel 4 with someone explaining the history and importance of the veils to educate us. When people learn about something, they understand it and understanding takes away the fear. However... when we ask for the veils not to be worn (because of a lack of understanding), we are bullied into backing down - and that's not the way things should be done.
I hate the fact now that some places serve Halal meat as standard, and because I strongly disagree with that method, I won't eat meat and also feel like I'm not at home in my own country. (Before someone highlights it - I previously would t eat meat from the likes of KFC etc so it's not just targeted at Halal)
Realistically it all comes down to compromise. When I eventually have children, I'd be happy in the knowledge if they come home from school knowing a little bit more than another culture because of a friends attire, rather than growing up and being fed ***** by the media into thinking they are all muggers under there.
If I offended anyone - I didn't mean to.... man that was a big comment. - Gezora, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@linkedlist
'Jury sees 21 July 'burka escape'' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6378863.stm
unjustified paranoia? - SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19@easty
Yeah, you're right. It's not like most Muslims are radical.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002/02/27/usat-poll.htm
Note that this is pre-Iraq. - seanrbaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'm not sure I feel that this particular policy is correct, but regardless it's incredibly refreshing to see England willing to do anything that even might be controversial, rather than making every decision out of fear of backlash.
- nullcodes, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Most people have never read the texts of their own religion. Regardless of what the muslim texts say, most muslim countries were turning rational until fairly recently when the extremist whackos started running around saying "you should do this" and "you should do that". You could have seen that more less in the election results of a lot of muslim countries (except Iran). It's the religious leadership that zones in on whatever crap and decide what the people should do and then the people follow it .. from coercion .. out of fear .. irrationality .. demonic possession? I dunno.
Anyway, what I am saying is that .. yes, the pro scarf people are stupid. It doesn't serve any function, and given the curiosity levels .. probably even the opposite of what's intended. However, I would say that a lot of anti scarf people are against the wearing of the scarf not because of supposed security issues (you never know what a third grader may carry in their head scarf) but because they hate the sight of muslims and maybe all the non-muslim "dirty" third worlders too. However knowing that they'd never get the required majority support of their hate agenda, they're lucky they have this security BS as a convenient excuse to paint all the muslims as a bunch of irrational loonies. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Leave your veils at home. Lets see that ass.
- Grahamajdale, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7i live here in the uk and there is just too many immigrants- if you want to be here then at least behave like us in socity and whats with the postbox theme anyway?
- Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ linkedlist
There are a number of cases of people fleeing the law using face carves and getting caught. Logic would tell you that there are even more who got away with it.
I don't know if any schools in the UK have ID cards, but when it comes to drivers liscences, passports or anything else where a picture ID is required it IS a safety issue because it is easy to hide behind a mask. - Afreyt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Sorry, not ashamed. Society does not have to bend just because you want it to accommodate your way of life. You want to wear a veil in your church, or your house, feel free. You want to wear it to a public school? Problem.
And I don't need to read the Qur'an or visit a Mosque to know its made-up *****. No faith-based skygod religion will EVER get my respect or admiration. Especially when it tries to get special treatment. - Haohmaru, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@CornStarch
Phht, like anyone actually reads their holy books. - Afreyt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No, the wearing of masks in public is illegal in many parts of the U.S., but is selectively enforced, usually at political protests. You must be publicly identifiable in certain situations, not restricted to going to bank tellers, court appearances, for your driver's license, etc.
This has not been found unconstitutional, and it is arguable that hiding one's face _in public_ is a protected form of speech, or essential religious practice. - groovechamp30, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The title says England, the UK is not the same as England. There's 10 million Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people in the UK too.
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